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- While serving as an organist at the local Adventist church in LaCombe Alberta, Jason Biel was audience to a particularly homophobic sermon. In that moment, he knew he had two choices - to stay or to leave.
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When I found myself pregnant at 16 years old, my pastor decided to preach a sermon on fornication and how I was going to go to hell when I died. I was so embarrassed, and I wish I had been mature enough to walk out. In adulthood, I avoid churches and religion whenever possible. It was a traumatic experience.
Dusty Glover
Mean spirited people... are loud, and terrible and perpetually insensitive to others, close, or far.
Happy days for all, you too, are deserved.
Some pastors are fucking assholes
My heart goes out to you
I have found in my life that the so called 'religious' people around me, tend to be the least friendly, least accepting and the most judgemental people on this Earth, no wonder people are deserting religion
I'm so sorry that "religious" people act so hatefully and pretend it's for Gd. (Over the years people have expected that sort of 💩 from me!) Gd loves and accepts us all as we are. It's our fellow humans that are closed minded.
Whether you do religion or not, hopefully we all find loving, accepting support systems to be part of.
Gd bless! ❤️🙏🌈
As a straight man, I really don't get other people being threatened by homosexuals. Why? I mean what does it take away from you?
They give excuses most heterosexuals are guilty of themselves.
It's not only homosexuality. As a mixed-raced person, I learned at an early age that many people despise anyone fundamentally different from themselves. A truth illustrating one of the darker sides of human nature.
@@artistsos-previews6967 I don't get that either. I mean if black people had claws and fangs, I'd understand. But they don't (or they're retractible and my friends have kept it a secret from me) ;)
@@sab1751 oh thats not just black people
Any supposedly straight man who rails against gays is in all probability gay himself. I've seen it time and time again.
When two of my children came out, we were politely asked to leave our church. The damage these people cause is unbelievable.
At least they asked politely
Last week I asked our priest if he supported the LGBTQ+ (he doesn't know I'm a lesbian) and he said "Love whoever you wanna love, I mean it's not hurting anybody". I wish everyone felt that way, what's so hard to understand??
It is amazingly audacious for them to think they are spiritual.
That is not a godly church
Why would you even want to associate with people like that? That's what I cannot understand. They are entitled to their beliefs. But you aren't obligated to swallow them.
I would have walked out too and I am heterosexual.
Alan Heath me too
As then might be accused of being not straight or a LGBT supporter and then bullied or worse.
That’s god damn right
Sesshomaru Uzumaki Actually it's a lifestyle of holiness. If the preacher were to preach against adultery should all the adulterers leave? What if he preaches against fornication, should all the fornicators leave? If you're in a church and you know what's in the bible you should expect the possibility of being offended if you're engaged in what the bible calls sin. The preacher wasn't targeting this guy.
TheMeefive Here is the problem.. the things you mentioned has the potential to actually hurt people. To be holy is to be able to own other humans, Stone people to death for wearing mixed fabrics, and women are to be silent. The Bible is not a source for morality.
"For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing"
Simon Weisenthal
We need to be doing a lot more.
Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
@Steven bent1 If you would objectively take the time to study and understand the Bible, you would find out that everything you mention has been addressed over the centuries, and shown that there are no discrepancies whatsoever in the Bible. The most evil people on the planet have still never been able to disprove God's True Word, the Holy Bible. Anyone who isn't already biased and prejudiced in their heart about knowing God's truth will be able to "see" and understand God's message, but, those who in actuality refuse God's free plan of salvation have hearts that are against God. Bottom line....it is all true, all of the Bible is true, because there can only be true justice for evil men by the Almighty God's final judgement, where the good will receive their reward and the evil will receive eternal punishment. It's so very clear. As for me, I choose life through Christ, and we all have free will to make our own choice. It's actually a "no-brainer"; and of course, I have nothing to lose, and you have EVERYTHING to lose. Cheers.
Wiesenthal is a great man no doubt, but the expression is lifted from Edmund Burke.
Steven bent1: Well done. If your aim was to make sure that you are not plagiarized, you have succeeded in that most plagiarized works are comprehensible.
@@brha2367 if you beliave in a imaginary being is other thing, it is your problem...
The softest voice, but a strong heart.
I love his voice. It's so soothing there's no need for meditation.
Paul-Singh Gurth Crying baby !
@@frankpusok9617
Shut up
Very pleasant...I think the voice is such an important point in compatibility 😁
Lol. Good one
I would have started playing “It’s Raining Men, Hallelujah” on the organ before I walked out.
You've played many atune on an ORGAN haven't you sweetheart?
Mike 😂🤣😅
Montana Rifleman No, but my favorite song is ‘Your Tulips on my Organ’
@ Wow , you sound like a really good christian.
Good one!
I once sat through a homophobic rant in church, only to feel self hatred afterwards; your courage helps erase my experience. Thx.
maybe use that self hatred to improve yourself rather than give into to your impulses and feed the disorder.
@@Wilantonjakov The disorder? Are you saying homosexuality is a "disorder"?
@@Wilantonjakov what disorder
@@Wilantonjakov wth... did u just call it a disorder? I thought everyone had an actual brain! It’s 2021
@@Wilantonjakov sicko alert!!
Just recently and in Melbourne/Australia and during a church service, A Greek priest said that he'd rather shoot gay people instead of supporting marriage equality and one wonders about all these people who are "supposed" to represent God yet they spew their hate and insecurities and what is worse is the people that support them.
Jason, you did the right thing by respecting your self for who you are!
Ross i think it should be treated as a hate crime, how can someone add to the suffering of people and get away with it? Religion is all you need, whether its permission to spread hate or avoid paying tax.
Hate speech and violence from either side is totally abhorrent. Australians are about to vote in a Plebiscite s/s marriage. here is my assessment of both sides.
The “no” campaign is fighting a losing battle trying to offer history and procreation as reasons for keeping the traditional definition of marriage. The homosexual lobby has been very clever to paint religion as the enemy of equal rights, anti-discrimination, free speech and progress. But of course statistics reveal love and long term commitment are hardly the defining tenets of a homosexual lifestyle.
Under a multi-coloured rainbow banner, the YES campaigners chant “We should be able to marry whoever we want.” which has apparently won over a gullible public not wanting to be seen as discriminatory or "homophobic'. The same statistics prove that the real enemy of SSM is not religion but nature and their own reckless lifestyle in their constant need for sexual gratification with strangers not in the 10s but literary in the several 100s. (Bell and Weinberg)
SSM is really a dangerous slippery slope, opening the door for any individual, religious sect or ethnic group to press for acceptance of polygamy, underage brides, incest and/or even bestiality. The claim that such activities are the product of one’s genetic makeup would surely be denied by courts. Evolution by natural selection would necessarily have bred out the 'homosexual gene' over 1000s of generations because it would not lead to procreation.
In reality the homophiles represents about 2-3% of the population but in the UK and especially the US, those actually embracing marriage is insignificant if not irrelevant to the debate (see Pew Research). More than 50% of homosexuals claim to have had 500-1000 partners, 80% of whom were with total strangers. Clearly It is not about marriage or equality but their need for us to condone and ‘normalise a promiscuous lifestyle that deep down their conscience tells them is destructive. Studies by NHIS reveal increased depression, mental ill-health, STDs, suicide, domestic violence and even child abuse.
There are alarming Educational & social implications if s/s marriage is legalized. Despite claims to the contrary, governments cannot legislate to protect from abuse, the rights of churches, schools, individuals or businesses who withhold or refuse homosexuals’ demands. Those who advocate for the ‘no’ vote have already been vilified and threatened on social media. In the UK a private schools were threatened with closure if they didn’t include same sex education in its curriculum. Even worst outcomes are being realized in US States like Massachusetts where a parent was arrested for wanting to exclude his child from such indoctrination. That says it all, doesn't it? And all this goes on under the farce of anti-discrimination and "marriage equality". If the implications for families weren't so tragic, it would be laughable.
The Greek priest should do us all a favour and walk in front of a tram; there are plenty of them in Melbourne.
I can't understand why gay people would want anything to do with the church and its bigotry. That Greek priest is exactly why we have the separation of church and state. One the other hand, the current pope seems quite enlightened.
You're a pig and I'm glad SSM is here in Australia. You have nothing to back you up on your OPINION. You're just another bigot on the wrong side of history and thank "GOD" you're a dying cause. How about you worry about yourself and your blatant bigotry & hypocrisy before judging others and how they live their lives. You lot seem to be overly focused on homosexuality. And anyone with any common sense will see behind your self loathing facade and see what your REAL PROBLEM is.
This fellow is a lovely person...what a soul, what a heart, what a passion.
I hope he's happy...he sure deserves to be...
@David Watson There's no such thing as hell David 😂 Grow up and learn how to fucking spell. It's DOUBT.
David Watson
Tell you your family members they can’t bring ice water with them too HELL
@@dennetlane2870 no, you misunderstood, he was saying that he'll make a dough for a cake for that dude's gay wedding XD
@Greg Medina - Look into his eyes... He's not a happy person, and who can blame him. Religious people can be total hypocrites.
but at a church that excepts him! Some of them are loose with the bible and even have gay pastors.
Shakespeare was certainly correct when he said the Devil can quote the scriptures too.
He certainly was.
yeah. like how the devil could call Jesus an advocate of prostitution because he "walked with prostitutes" like everyone thinks. The same goes for homsexuality.
@@Wilantonjakov No, it is not the same. Jesus said thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. If you can't see the difference, the devil must be working its way into your heart and mind.
@@anacletwilliams8315 wait, I thought he talking about Shakespeare?
Edward Oxenford was correct
I would "accidentally" play random notes.
LPSElk and say the organ is ciphering XD
LPSElk I would play YMCA lol
@@CaesarNeptuneStudios or somewhere over the rainbow. and then: it's raining men!
@@thephidias ,or Long Tall Sally and Celebrate Wooooooooo!
Start playing in a minor key
He's so meek and soft spoken, It's almost like he's not even there. Good for him finding himself.
So much respect for your strength. I went to a Christian school for 13 years, I sat through bible class after bible class hearing homophobic messages. One of my biggest regrets now is that I didn’t walk out. The one that hurts the most is when we had to put anonymous colour coded stickers to say if we agreed with certain topics. One of them had the words “Gay people deserve respect.” It wasn’t about gay marriage, it wasn’t about gay people being parents, hell, it wasn’t even about if being gay is a sin. It was literally if they deserve basic fucking respect. Over half of the stickers on that one were red. I had never feared so much, or felt so hated as in that moment. I was still very much in the closet at that point, and my heart sunk so low. I wish now that I would have grabbed that piece of paper and marched down to the principals office with it, that I would have done something. Instead now there’s class after class, with people in them feeling the same fear I felt. I wish so much I would have had the strength to walk out like you did.
sweet rocks Wow, you really don't possess any empathy whatsoever, do you? How sad you are.....just another creep with nothing worthwhile to add. Crawl back under your stone.
It's not only healthy, it feels fucking great.
Everyone deserves respect, if a thief is convicted in the same room should he leave because he feels convicted? Sin is sin. The truth hurts, you can ignore it and live with it, or pursue GODS way to face it. Walking out shows your conviction. If you were not convicted you would stay, I wonder why your soul cant handle conviction...
J R Sorry, but in spouting such vague rubbish you deserve no respect. Are you really saying homosexuals are as bad as thieves? The simple fact is you’re just another hate-filled extreme religionist who wants to brainwash others into his insane world.
so homosexuals cant steal??? They cant do no wrong then???
It's one thing to stand up for yourself. It's another to stand up for something bigger than yourself. Thank you, Jason! Shining love your way from here in Alberta, Canada.
A couple of years the pastor at my current church made a sermon on the lgbtq community and basically said that you have to either deny your (lgbtq) identity or you're denying Christ. I started crying while listening to this because I remember having to sit through that and not do anything because I was scared about when my parents reaction would be if they noticed I had walked out, they're deeply hateful of the lgbtq community and I've been in the closet all these years. 😔
Be true to yourself and put yourself first.
This young man actually exudes light. He seems quite introverted and showed courage in walking out. That's hard to do even for an extrovert. I think things will change faster if everyone who disagrees with these kinds of sermons, whether gay or straight, will just quietly get up and walk out.
It took guts to walk out, and even more guts to walk back in and finish the job...
What a beautiful soul. We all deserve respect and acceptance with Love.
what a stupid, hollow comment. Amazing.
@@Wilantonjakov what a sad, hollow heart you have...
I would have interrupted this man by playing very loudly during his speech
Silas Nonoir just what I was about to suggest haha
I probably would've done the same thing. Heck, when I took piano lessons (I still play the piano), my teacher would let me know where I was playing *loud* in places where I should be playing *soft*.
*IT WAS NOT THE TRUTH, AND HE WAS NOT A MORON. STRIKE ONE.*
*WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY, IDIOT. You are living up to your name, because you're one of the Select Few THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME,. INCLUDING LIFESTYLES, AND THE WAYS WE INTERPRET GOD'S LAW. STRIKE TWO. I CAN JUST TELL YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THE THIRD STRIKE.*
I respect him for being respectful. Childish acts would have made him look bad, and by extension, gays in general.
Best. ASMR. Voice. Ever.
I agree, it's so calm and humble
Lucky Henry amsr?
He should record for books.
MSP Aesthetics probably meant ASMR.
It's hot, yes
The College Heights Adventist church in LaCombe has the organ situated diagonally at the stage left side in front of everyone, and the wall facing the church is full of big organ pipes. That's probably the place. The organist walking off would be noticed by everyone there.
Well handled; your message now is more consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ to love one another than was the message of condemnation given by the ignorant homophobic pastor. Your two straight friends honored you in both their concern and respect. Walking out expresses momentary anger, but walking away at a precise moment, then returning to carry on sent a critically important message to the congregation that you are a strong individual of dignity and of thought provoking worth❣
Amen for your wisdom🙏
This young man is a good man and well as a brave man Jesus Christ Loves all of us.May God Bless him.
Yeah, that's why he said he didn't come to change the laws...
He forgave the woman caught in adultery, but He also said, "Go thou and sin no more." We can all selectively quote.
@@proudhon100 and what if she continues to sin?
@@hardcoreplayafromthehimala4888 There are consequences to any action. Are you arguing that the warning was not necessary, or are made up words?
@@proudhon100 unfortunately, my responding comment is deleted, so much about democracy and freedom of speech.....
It's people like Jason who are the unsung hero's of this world. His community now respects him as they should and they will respect others because of his act. Thank you Jason.
TJ B Reprobates are not heroes.
mrtadreamer And I'm guessing you call yourself a "christian" you are a miscreant and a reprobate.
@Samantha Kurtwazee I don't know maybe for the same reason why heterosexuals look like mean mugging animal meat eating shit faced bulldogs trying to act all hard up when they talk about homosexual men. It's stupid ass questions like this that divided up humanity with manipulation and intimidation then have the nerve to ask, why do they look demasculinized(intimidated) and manipulated. You religious sociopaths have some fucking nerve you with your failed science trying to hijack today's first world cultures and sciences with your manipulation and lies trying to intimidate those who you use do deem as invalid from your old and failed ass descriptions on how the world works. You got places even trying to ban math because it will lead kids to wanting to learn science and that will lead them to questioning the bible. Maybe you might want to ask yourself is today's technology and science really worth ditching for yesterday's 2000 year old cultural sciences. Do you want to go back to the medicines of that time too or do you want today's cures? You need to check yourself and culturally catch the fuck up. Then help the rest of your people catch up too.
Why are some heterosexual people so fucking ignorant?
@Samantha Kurtwazee Look Samantha, your comment was religious based and you know it. Stop giving a people shit and no one will lump you in with the shit crowd.
One of the greatest pieces of advise I have ever heard came from a congregant from the gay synagogue in Atlanta. It was, "Never let an insult go unanswered." Your actions spoke mountains, and sound to me like a totally appropriate, mature decision on your part. I don't know that I would have been so tolerant, had I been such a situation.
I would have NEVER went back into play for that hateful person. I would have walked out and never came back! They don't deserve him.
"i cant remember the exact topic"
"Matthew 5"
"Leviticus 18" Man I think you do remember
Hmm, and regards Numbers 31:17, and sexual consent as a whole...?
Oof in middle school my momma took me to church Sunday after our cities pride parade. The pastor went on and ranted about how god should strike down lightning, hellfire, and kill everyone at pride.
I got my ass up and walk it to the bathroom. I was sitting with my friend and her grandparents. She followed me and convinced me to go back.
My mom was sitting there shocked at such hatred.
Later on she told me how proud she was that I did that. That I was brave enough to get up and walk away. I made a stand without saying a word and she was ashamed that she couldn’t follow my lead.
Wow, I can tell this Dude has a good heart...
Bro4Bro No, He has an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heart has nothing to do with. You either except the beliefs of the religion your falling are not.
No one is pointing a gun to your head and say you must. Practice this religion. But if you do you should they their beliefs. Our get out
So many people who claim to follow any religion tend to pick and choose what they prefer to follow and live by that makes their life better for them and not for what their religion stands for. Too many Hippocrates in this world.
mrtadreamer Crawl back under your stone, creep.
sweet rocka You are insane, the anus IS a sex organ in that it gives pleasure via the prostate gland. Also very many women get pleasure from it, for some reason I haven't yet researched. Sometimes, ignorant person, MANY parts of the body can act as a 'sex organ'! Will you please give evidence of your science education credentials.....I see precious little in the utter crap you have thus far posted!
This happened to me many years ago. I was (and still am) organist of a small Episcopal church in SW Oklahoma. We had a new priest just beginning his tenure with us, and the second Sunday he was there, he got into the pulpit -- looked me straight in the eye and said: "I have personally cured 4 homosexuals!" I was dumfounded, and had a very hard time keeping myself from throwing a hymnbook at him across the choir. Luckily I didn't -- it was nearing Christmas, and we had a very nice Christmas concert planned for the next Sunday. After service, I told the senior warded that I would be leaving right after Christmas. Evidently the word got out, and the new priest offered his resignation right after that. That was over 30 years ago, and I'm still there, love the congregation, and they evidently like me and my work. However, to hear such remarks in such a setting is one of the most hateful experiences anyone can be put through.
God made you exactly as you are . Stand tall and stand with courage. They are wrong, you are right
Good for you , man! A perfect and powerful action against intolerance. Respect!
Yes, this clown is VERY intolerant of others. This clown knew he was in a Christian church and it was HE who showed no respect. He is free to start his own church and believe what he wants to believe. It is called freedom of religion. This was just a stunt designed to get his five minutes of fame. Biel is a bigot and behaved like a bully.
@@jeremylee5990 your whole religion centers around a bigot and a bully, so shut the fuck up
@@gummyneighborino7217 You are free to go to a gay church. This clown just wanted to pick a fight by trashing people who do not agree with his agenda. Be gay all you want. I could care less, but learn to behave and respect others freedoms, but then you are a bigot and an asshole.
@@jeremylee5990 why should i give them that when they wont give gay people the same treatment?
@@gummyneighborino7217 Because you are a professional victim who wakes up everyday looking for some new way to be offended. Grow up.
I'm so glad he had the support of his friends and community. This story would've had a sad end if they hadn't been on his side.
I'm an atheist who joined a United Church of Christ choir because my future wife was in it (an opera singer). They were LGBT friendly, so we both joined, the enemy of my enemy and so forth. Our organist and choirmaster was a very happy gay man, and a kick-ass music director and musician as well. I'll never start a church, but if I did, I'd want to hire an organist just like him. Or this young gentleman.
Jason you did the right thing !.. and I had a similar experience at my church .. as also a drummer in the church band worship team ... I finally resigned .. when at the home prayer meetings .. they kept trying to renounce the devil in me ..and implore me to be straight .. all It did was make me cry ..
I HIGHLY COMMEND you for handling that situation with POISE and DIGNITY....I can't honestly say I would have been as nice about it...I sure it wasn't easy to sit there and listen to that pastor spew his HATEFUL VENOM....
Spoken like a true UNHINGED religious ZEALOT... You don't get to tell me who I hate or what GOD stands for in MY eyes because you don't know me... In this EASTER we are reminded GOD stands for LOVE, not POISON and HATRED. It's SMUG narrow-minded individuals such as yourself who falls short of what GOD stands for...
*YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S HATE-FILLED. Look at every comment you've posted..IT'S FILLED WITH GAY-BASHING. So guess who's the one with hate NOW. FEELINGS FIRST. EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME. NO MORE NO LESS.*
@@gameshowguy2000 what are you talking about?
@@jimbroome-blanchard7357 Who are you talking to in your reply
How is disagreement hateful venom?
What a beautiful, thoughtful and admirably well spoken man.
Why aren't we past this bullshit by now? Superstitious beliefs began when we were clueless hominids, and religion began when rich people realised the divide in education gave them power by speaking 'THE TRUTH' to poor underclasses who didn't have the means to research and question for themselves. That's history in a nutshell, we can all read now, and it's all still right there to see.
I'm honestly glad this guy feels more comfortable now, but fuck what those guys think. We're all human and their unsubstantiated doctrine has caused more death and suffering across the globe than any guy on guy actions ever could.
*Thank you. I don't know why people are still using religion do justify hatred. It's one thing to be religious, it's another to give your religion a bad name. Likewise, it's one thing to not like someone's lifestyle, but it's another to not like them BECAUSE of their lifestyle.*
*I'm no fool. In fact, even though I'm a week late....I'M NO APRIL FOOL, EITHER. YOU ARE. On Judgment Day, God will rule in MY favor, and FORCE YOU to pay for the AGGRAVATION, EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, PAIN AND SUFFERING, AND HARASSMENT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW HOMOPHOBES HAVE GIVEN ME. One day, when the next GLBT suicide occurs...IT'LL BE ON YOUR HANDS, NOT GOD'S. And again...DO I NEED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE STRIKEOUT? WHEN I STRIKE YOU OUT, THAT MEANS STOP.*
Thank you for have the courage to stand up and walking out, So often we sit in silence and in doing so give credence in it. This was your personal stone wall.
Membership to a church in many respects is like membership in anything else. You join a place that you are aligned with...if there are none you form your own club.
I would've rickrolled everyone in the church by playing never gonna give you up before I left
Oh how droll! How original! (not).
William Bunter ayy you’re that guy who was in the comment section, that comment section where everybody was attacking you cause you said a women and a men are the only thing that can take of a kid or something? I don’t remember
@@williambunter3311 oh no it’s you again :/
Say with a loud before leaving (i did this), "who want to listen to thos bull shit, not me". The pastor stopped mid sentence, i left. And it warmed my heart that 20-30 others also left.
After playing for a church in Redwood City for almost 20 years I was fired with no notice! I refused to support the church in bringing in a guest pastor who always preached homophobia to the church youth. One of the youngsters asked "if you're gay will you go to hell" and got an immediate 'yes'! So I refused to play for the service. I was fired on a Friday night, told not to come in again.
Of course there will be hateful comments here. It's freedom of speech. I just want to congratulate you on what you did and also how it ended. I'm not sure I would have had the presence of mind to honor my professor at that moment. That was quite professional and noble of you.
Hugs :)
Well when I see the words "I dare you' with several exclamation points and in all caps, I find it quite immature. This kind of grammar school persuasion is hardly appropriate within mature conversations. What I find almost laughable is that the article that you "dare" me to read, is dated from 1988. My question to you is, why are you citing a piece of writing that is almost 30 years old? Also I find it intriguing that you responded to my comment, instead of merely posting your opinion.
In addition, you write that you "know dozens of musicians, none of which..." The correct grammar is "none of whom". When arguments are presented in writing and contain grammatical mistakes, it automatically reduces the apparent validity of the person writing the argument.
I think the dare at this point would be for you to update what you are reading. No, yours is not a hate comment, but citing an opposing view that was written more than a quarter of a century is ago is hardly relevant to this discussion.
In addition, the author that you dared me to read, I will point out "left the Episcopal Church in part due to their opposition to the evangelizing of Jews." So clearly, he had more purpose in his actions than merely speaking against sexual minorities.
Thank you for contributing your musical talent to your church.
Bill D YOU ARE NOT A SUPPORTER IF YOU CONDONE HOMOPHOBIA 👋👋👋 FUCK OFF
Again, no need for all caps. I do NOT condone homophobia and if you could read and comprehend, you would have understood that. I fully support Jason. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of "condone." In any case-I have spent enough of my time responding to you. Any further comments directed towards me will be ignored. That is all.
Bill D FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT OKAY IF ITS OPPRESSION 👋👋👋👋👋
Bill D KEEP IGNORING ME HOMOPHOBE 👋👋
Very moving, Jason. Intelligently told story of love responding to good old-fashioned Christian hate..
Dignified, intelligent, quietly confident. Any church would be lucky to have him as a member of their congregation.
Jason, quite by accident, I stumbled upon your CZcams posting. As someone who loves organ music (not an organist, but have hit a couple of notes on the manuals from time to time) and someone who has dear and cherished friends at the University in LaCombe (I am not a member of the church, but have many cherished Adventist friends - some like family), I applaud your actions in removing yourself during the bigoted sermon - and your professional dignity and strength in returning to the manuals to complete the service. Believe in yourself, Jason, and let no one devalue you as a lesser mortal. Take pride in yourself for the good and talented person you have become - you have so much to offer the world. Let no one destroy that or your belief in yourself as a worthy human being. Please know that if you and/or yours should ever need a respectful and safe refuge in the Yakima, Washington area - there is a safe haven here for the weary traveller - you can bet on that! Therefore, if it has not already happened, it is my fervent hope and prayer that some day you may hear the flutes and diapasons shriek in exultation and joy as you walk down an aisle with the man who has turned your world upside down with caring, respect, and love. Peace be with you this day and always, young man! Wm.
I’m glad you were able to convey the message while still acting as a good professional and finishing the job. I’m a trans organist. After 14 years working for very conservative churches I finally started a new position for a liberal denomination last month. Still haven’t “come out” to them, but the simple fact that I wouldn’t be fired on the spot simply by having this truth revealed is very relieving.
I hear ya, sis. I'm a serial killer myself, so I also needed to shop around for a religion that accommodated my lifestyle.
I'm glad you found your happy place.
What a beautiful and educated speaking-voice, and what a gracious smile. It is a pleasure to hear him speak.
Ive experienced homophobia in a church when i went with my grandparents, all that i was doing when the pastor starting spitting that hate, is holding back tears, im trans and bi, not have transitoned yet, only out to my mom and dad, (which weren't there) and i look back and think "wow, you really let those words get to you, you know he was wrong", now ive gotten over it.
God bless you my brother in Christ. The speaker was wrong and as a Pastor myself. I would never in a million years do that. We are to love all, regardless of sexual orientation.
So my sister is gay and I’m bi and we’re out to everyone except for my grandparents because they are INCREDIBLY homophobic. Sometimes we spend the night at they’re house and when we do it’s always on Saturday’s making the next day a Sunday. Church day. Now I’m not very religious at all and my sister kind of is but not really. My worst fear is that one day we’re gonna go to church with my grandparents and they’ll start preaching homophobic stuff... idk what I would do in that situation because 1. If I were to storm out I’d basically be outing myself and I’m not ready for that and 2. I have no clue what my sister would do. I think she might just sit there uncomfortably but I honestly have no clue. Luckily that hasn’t happened yet
You really need to have a good talk with your sister.
You stand proud and stand for your dignity
Saying something is wrong is not homophobic. Homophobic means fear of.
In America for 25 years. I'm atheist. A priest once told me a hitman from my country jailed here was going to go the heaven. That guy got to be the worst of the worst. He told me he asked Jesus for forgiveness and TRAAAAA he was going to heaven, what a beautiful thing. I told him Ok Sr. What's going to happened to me? He said well you are going to hell. I haven't even smoke once in my life, I'm very hard working and very nice guy. Religion is really a crazy a fuckup thing. I told him lets say for one minute there is God. He will never pick that guy before me.
hes so quiet its so sweet
This was a very difficult and courageous thing that Jason did, particularly as it meant "coming out" in front of the whole congregation.
It is so much easier when you are a straight married person who can stand up, three sentences into a sermon about "unsuitable lifestyle choices", and say loudly "OK! I have heard enough! I am going to the Coffee Shop. Please feel free to join me!" and know that your actions provide an encouragement for the gay organist and his partner who will leave along with several other straight parishioners.
i’m so glad my church is so accepting. they sent out letters to the congregation saying we accept all people and they even have special small groups devoted to lgbt families and making them feel comfortable at our church
Mine too! The Episcopal Church accepts Everyone.
I would not have been as nice as this young man. But it was his gentle protest that resulted in change where as anger probably would not have.
I would've accidentally started playing another song.
I would have played I'm on the highway to heck
Golden Wind
How droll! One day you might actually say something original.
@@williambunter3311 lmao says the one who’s literally saying the same dumb comment over and over
He has such a soothing voice. In the most affectionate way he reminds me of spongebob. Very expressive beautiful blue eyes and the way his lips curl when he speaks. Very cute, I wish him so much peace and love
I'm so proud the head pastor addressed it, I wish I knew what he said.
It amazes me that some preachers get away with talks that are abusive and based on their own private revelations and interpretations. We are complicit if we let them get away with it. By walking out, we can make a dignified protest.
Bravo to him. I’m sick of hypocritical churches.
His voice is so sweet 😭
When I was 15 I sat through a sermon addressing the legalization of gay marriage in America. At the time I had not accepted that I was gay but deep down I knew that I was. I wanted so badly to walk out or say something but I was with my family and it was a small church and I didn’t have the courage. So I just sat and listened to how the sanctity of marriage was ruined and how people like me would end up in hell. It was horrible and many other situations like that have deterred me from going to church even though I’m still a Christian. It’s terrible that people will use religion, something that’s supposed to help people, in order to further their own hatred and bigotry.
Jason walked out, and his friends were concerned enough to come looking for him.
This is so important. It affirms the right of the Gay person to be who they are, and to be present at that place of worship.
But the situation also meant that Jason was forced to stand for himself with tremendous courage, and identify himself as a Gay person.
My recommendation is for those who are NOT Gay- When you hear injustice preached, be the FIRST to make a stand.
You, the spouse and parent of three kids, can also be offended, and you can signify your offence.
About 25 years ago, I heard a sermon that was not so much homophobe as racist, preached from the pulpit of a church that I attended. I assumed my lecture hall voice and stated calmly from the back of the large church "I have heard enough of this sermon. If anyone would like to join me, I will be in Moira's Coffee Lounge".
A few months later, there was a change of pastor, and within weeks of his arrival he preached his first sermon on what he called "Unsuitable Life Style Choices"..
I got a phone-call from a man I knew well, who said "You would have been so proud of me! I stood up and said 'I have heard enough of this sermon. If anyone would like to join me, I will be in Moira's Coffee Lounge'."
He was joined at the coffee lounge by the church organist and his partner, supported by half the congregation..
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I left the church years ago as a teenager, when I thought I wanted to be a minister. I couldn't reconcile the messages of racism, hate and homophobia from the church with the reality that was around me daily. I never went back. The pastors from many denominations still send those ignorant messages of hate with even more vehemence.
God bless you Jason. I am gay and a Christian too. Fortunately the Catholic church I go to is supportive of gay people. It's a very large congregation so not everyone knows. A few years it was necessary to defend myself unflinchingly against someone expressing disapproval of me for being gay. But I am still there, and so is he. We do talk, but he does not bother me about it anymore.
Thank you for sharing your story. Not all parishes or priests express anti-gay sentiment, but some individuals in the parish are not on the same page. I know that Catholic priests are sometime put under pressure by homophobic parishioners to preach against gay people, however in my parish the priest has never said anything anti-gay even to the point of being accused by one parishioner of “promoting the homosexual agenda” by refusing to condemn gay people.
No shade but if the church supportive of gay lifestyle they are not preaching the true word
Fel my Catholic parish is supportive of Gay people. We aren’t into the condemnation game. We are Catholic in our diversity.
@@fel6533 "True word".. Get your head fixed.
@@huub1989 it's not about condemnation, it's about what the words in the book you preach from says. If the Constitution is law of the land why isn't the Bible which is used as the authority on Christian beliefs treated as such. The Bible cannot evolve people can but don't push back at those who stay within the confines of biblical teaching
I read and re-read what I have written before. And this issue haunts me.... I haven't told you that I love you and I want you to experience the Love of GOD, as I have. I'm a sinner I'm no better than anyone else. If there is anything of value in me now, it is Jesus Christ in me. His love has saved me, I was a hostage to Satan and sin. Oh.... I was religious and I looked good on the outside, but I had the odor of death inside, and no one but me could smell it. So I don't rebuke you as someone that has lived a Holy life and had it all together.
I do have my life together now, but I can only give the credit to my Saviour, I thank him every day for his mercy and love and forgiveness. Oh, what a different life I have now. It makes me scared for you and others like you. As much as God loves us and he loves everyone in this world, we are his creation... There will come a time when we will all stand before Him as the Just and Righteous JUDGE. Thankfully I know the Judge, he is my closest friend! He will call me by name, and smile at me with love and compassion. Someday soon I WILL see him. If it wasn't for this transformation in my heart I know I would have Hell to pay! God knows we are all broken and without hope.... and he's not willing that any should perish! Give your heart to him today. And cheat death and Satan! Through Jesus Christ! When you do you will despise the sin that insnared you and God will wash away all you Sin.
I did the same once at a Christian ceremony I was invited to attend. The most empowring feeling ever at the time!!
Twenty years after that, and here I am: Being out and happy about it!! 😍
I went to a religious college. It's never a good idea getting involved with any religion whatsoever. Religion is about prejudices and limits.
*Peter got it right...IT'S ABOUT LIMITS...SOMETHING THAT ALSO COMES WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT. EVEN KOBE BRYANT AND DONALD STERLING KNOW THAT. BUT APPARENTLY, THEIR EXAMPLES MEAN NOTHING TO YOU!*
God has never/doesn't talk. If you hear gods talking you better get yourself to a psychiatrist fast because you are delusional and probably schizophrenic.
And yet Jesus wrote NOTHING DOWN? If he felt his words were so important and knew of the frailties of men's memories and biases, why did he choose to let the sinful creatures around him translate his intentions into history? By the time the Bible was pasted together by that council in the early A.D.s it was pretty far off from what originally happened.
You do not need religion to know that homosexuality is abomination.
Peter, You do not believe in limits? Hope you meet up with Jeffrey Dahmer copy cat tonight who also has no limits. lol
Love it when homophobic comments are on CZcams because my personal favorite reaction is ‘ sorry honey you forgot the rainbows and glitter to that.’ It makes them so irritated most of the time that the comments can’t get to you.
Good on you Jason, I too am a gay church organist and what you did takes guts. I have heard that kind of sermon in the past and wished that I had done the same as you. These days if I heard homophobic utterances coming from the pulpit, I'd do as you did. Thank you for taking a stand, it should not be tolerated by anyone. I eventually left that church because I was told by the senior pastor that my playing could negatively affect young children!
If he was a black man having to listen to a racist rant against black people, no one would expect him to continue doing his job at that church 🤬
How about playing "I Am what I Am" when he got back?
He should've stood up and said "This isn't the only organ that I know my way around"
😂
The Gospel is there to call people to repent of their sin and believe.
No it's there to give stupid people a sense of purpose.
Courageous and loving man. Glad he refused to be a party to the homophobic sermon.
This gay bully just wanted to pull off a stunt. He was not forced to attend any church. He knew what they believed. He can start his own gay church or go to one already started. It is called freedom of religion. Sad you are a fascist.
You imagine in your delusional world that your "phobe" words bother sane people. Grow up. Of course you play the professional victim.
A perfectly natural and understandable response.
Dr Richard.
I am glad we're seeing and finding out that little smalll personal acts like this can make big difference down the road. I have experienced this and encourage everyone to not give in to idea that nothing can be done. I have been amazed by how many in groups and crowds do not think like the crowd or group they are part of.
my folks are preachers, I'm the first born and I'm gay... whenever a gay related topic arises they tend to go into a fire rage... I remember the first pride parade our country had that year had a huge flood and earthquake and he blamed the lgbt community for bringing the "wrath of god" in the country... literally everyone was clapping and shouting "amen"... meanwhile I'm like the only one sitting with my arms folded, looking around thinking "dafaq? these people serious about life?" and I couldn't help but wonder how'd they'd react if they found I, their first born son is actually gay
I'm not an "Adventist" but I would applaud that speech for speaking sense in an age where most cheer on the delusion.
Just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean other people don't. I like men and women and prefer women, it isn't delusion. You have delusion for not thinking that it's okay to be gay/LGBTQ+, happy pride month 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I totally agree with this young brave man.
He was a light unto the world! I'm so proud!
NO, he is just another drama queen. LOL
@@jeremylee5990 So what should he have done? And what would you have done?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I believe in freedom not fascism. Be gay all you want, but you have NO right to force your theology on anyone. Funny how what you accuse others of doing YOU DO. Grow up.
@@jeremylee5990 Well, how was it presented to Jews, if a, I may ask, in prior eras? Or to Africans...?
@@jeremylee5990 He didn't force anything on anyone. He was in a hateful environment so left.
Im a professionally trained organist myself wbo also hapoens to be gay. I admire what this guy did.
"find a community that cherishes and loves you."
And he told this story in such a calm, understated way.
God bless you Jason. God knows who you are and what you are learning. So be who you are and never mind those that you don't respect . We are not all on the same exact path, but towards GOD only. God knows and understands everything. Good for standing up for yourself.💖😏
Gutsy move. Powerful message. Congratulations.
Growing up I tried different religions. And Baptist,catholic,Christian..were the worst. They had so much hate and hypocrisy. The word of God is good but people manipulated it and use it for their own evil deeds..once I had a priest give a beautiful sermon...it made me cry lol well after the sermon I went to the back and asked if I could be baptized...well on my way back I saw him steal from the money plate and then started playing touchy feely with a married woman...at that point I walked in and said thank you but if I'm going to hell for my life I dont want to go to hell for following a fake religion and I left and never turned around..now people would call me a pagan or witch. I decided to live a good life and be kind to all but to worship nature over people. And honestly I feel more at peace being a good person who treats nature with respect...ps I'm not a tree hugger...but close lol
Had it been me I would have walked out the front door and never looked back. You don’t have to put up with phobic people and you shouldn’t.
Not to take action, is an action.
You took action in the good way.
And you are - not likely - to be invited to enjoy his company and nice ½personality.
Summer Breeze...that'd be *YOU*, and you're not living to your name. To pun on your name, you bring the summer *HEAT*, that's making our temperatures boil past 98.6 degrees.
'Nah, you proved that you are deaf and blind with no understanding...' *of the fact that this is the 21st century, and things change over time. LIFESTYLES AND INTERPRETATIONS OF GOD'S LAW INCLUDED. STRIKE THREE. YOU'RE OUT, AND YOU LOSE EVERYTHING. BLOCKED. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO'D RATHER PUT THE SO-CALLED 'TRUTH' OVER PEOPLE'S FEELINGS. NO WONDER YOU ONLY HAVE 5 SUBS. I'VE GOT WAY MORE THAN YOU, BECAUSE I PUT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS FIRST.*
*YOU are headed for Hell. NOT ME. Save your words when you stand in the line, and God calls you out for gay-bashing and not putting their feelings first ahead of yours. Remember Beauty and the Beast? The Prologue said, 'If he could learn to love another and earn their love in return by the time the last petal fell, the spell would be broken. If not, he would remain a beast for all time.' YOU SIR, ARE GOING TO REMAIN A BEAST, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY LOVE IN YOU, EVEN IF THE LAST PETAL DOES FALL.*
I like to know what the Minister actually said.
You did the right ✅ 👏 thing by not standing for this hypocrisy 🙄 .
Everyone should be equal in the eyes 👀 ✨ of God and Jesus.
Thanks for sharing Jason, hope all is well today!
I literally started crying because I was afraid that this guy was hated on and felt incredibly insulted by the sermon. That's just, one of my fears regarding religion and faith and what not. Of course because of the rules religions have there are going to be people who disagree and feel attacked or hated, and it just makes things worse when that religion is supposed to preach love but the believers are completely unaccepting. But, well now I don't remember my point. Any one have any ideas?
I'm not gay, but I'd walk too! I have a lot of support for you.
I was thrown out, e.g., asked to leave because I laughed during a sermon. Years later I wrote a work of science fiction where an Archangel basically disintegrated a minister in that church in the middle of attempting to kill two day men and another minister. In less than one year God removed the 59 year old minister my dad referred to as an "ear tickler" from this earth.
I left the church years ago and never once looked back or thought about returning.