DEEP DIVE: Immersion vs 50 Years Box Sets- Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Showdown!
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- Pink Floyd celebrates five decades of their biggest album with "Dark Side of the Moon: 50 Years," but if you already own the 2011 Immersion Box Set, this might be one to pass on. In this video, take a deep dive look at the differences between the two sets before you spend your money on the new one!
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I have the Immersion box set (cd version) - I did order the 50th as well as I'd like the vinyl , the book and the atmos mix. The price was high...but no higher than two trips to the grocery store these days. For my favorite album, it was worth it for me.
I hope it lives up to your expectations.
A vintage dark side tour t-shirt w/ art from 1973 -1975 would have have been a nice throw in for the 50th anniversary box
Maybe, but then they would need to have different sizes. Kinda hard to to with a big box set.
Thanks for reviewing the Immersion contents, specifically for reminding me that there were marbles in those boxes! I was setting up a new turntable this week and lamented that I didn't have any marbles in the house to help measure balance... turns out that I do have some!
LOL! Those marbles were useful after all!
I use a leveler
What really should have a been included is a dvd video of a live concert!
I agree
That's a no brainer. Even if it's not the best quality, who cares?
We need to stop including dvds in 2023 and include blu-rays. They cost about the same to manufacture and if the viewer has a hi-res tv, it’ll look better than a dvd regardless of its source… and if they have an old standard tv, you lose nothing in picture quality
@@Stevenc1970 blu rays play in DVD players? i never knew that and many times i didn't buy something bc it only came on blu ray. they look the same?
@@kevinr.3542All blu-ray players have up-convert regardless of price. Blu-ray isn’t a new technology; it’s 15 years old. There aren’t millions of people who invested in a DVD player but said “you know, I’ll never bite the bullet and get a blu-ray player.”
Every video on Netflix, not some, every… and on Amazon Prime are HD. Not because it was originally shot in HD, but because that is the current technology. DVDs are from the 90s.
Thanks for this video Kyle. I think you are bang on the money with your assessment. Since becoming a Pink Floyd fan in 1999, I have bought just about everything they have put out, but this new DSOTM boxset does leave me cold. I have the Immersion set and just watching you go through it makes see what a great purchase it was. It's the 50th anniversary and they had such a great opportunity to do something REALLY special. An opportunity missed. Thanks again for making this video - great content. :-)
You know, the Immersion sets have been joked about a bit for years because of the swag items. (Marbles? Scarves?) But when it comes down to it, they delivered BIG TIME on content. How could they release sets as incredibly satisfying as the Immersion sets (and the Early Years) but then skimp so much on this new set... and expect fans to pay three times as much?? Ridiculous!
For me, the Pink Floyd BoxSet is the first big disappointment of the year. What I don't like at all are these mixes of vinyl and Blu-Ray audio and DVD audio. If I am a friend of this 5.1 stuff, then please in separate sets for Fans who want this. If you don't have 5.1 System, this content make no sense. Halfway interesting is only the Wembley concert on vinyl, which will be available separately as vinyl, thank God. Then there is the announced price, almost 300 euros. Besides, the last remastering was by the same person, what should be much different now? Were is the 30th Anniversary cut by Kevin Gray? or a Steven Wilson remix could have been interesting. No Demos, no Outtakes, no unreleased Songs etc.!
ive stayed away from all these box sets the content has never impressed me all those blue ray discs 5 .1 stuff i like good old stereo plus there is very little unreleased stuff on them if any
I agree that the bundles with multiple formats are annoying. In the majority of cases, most people buying these can't use all the formats anyway! Why not let people just buy what they can actually use?
Totally agree disappointed with this Boxset.
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Who is this for? I don’t know what ATMOS is, I don’t own a blueray or dvd player and the CD player is in the loft somewhere! As for Vinyl….. listen, I already have all of the Floyd I ever want to hear on my iphone and ipad. I can bluetooth them through the receiver which also has the tv running into it and out to four speakers and play my phone through the car system when i’m driving. Pink Floyd ltd are really taking the mick.
Thanks mate.
You've helped to make up my mind.
I have the immersion box set, as well as WYWH and The Wall , and I will keep the immersion set and just say no to the 50th anniversary set.
I have a few Pink Floyd box sets including a 4 cd box set of The Wall live, Oh By The Way , the complete Pink Floyd cds , The Division Bell , which I haven't seen again , Animals on vinyl and remastered cd and The Piper at the Gates of Dawn as well as the remastered vinyl albums so I'm kinda thinking that there is not much more I could ask for.
If the DSOTM is $300+ in the states it's going to be more expensive in Australia.
When it comes to remastered box sets I use Jethro Tull as my metric. At least 4 cds & DVDs, excellent books with every reissue, easily handled, stored in book sized boxes and beautifully remastered by Steven Wilson.
I love Pink Floyd but I'm thinking that I have more than enough of their music.
PS , I also have Live at Pompei ( excuse the misspelling) DVD, when will we get a blu ray of that ? a WYWH blu ray of the documentary and a DSOTM DVD documentary. A Pulse blu ray box set , a Momentary Lapse of Reason box set as well as a couple of box sets of David Gilmore's solo stuff and of course The Endless River , someone should do a deep dive on that set.
And finally a box set of Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
I think I've given all I can give.
Love Pink Floyd but I must respectfully decline this offer.
Peace & love from Western Australia
I was surprised that when they re-released the Pulse video last year it wasn't as a box set with the CDs like they did with Delicate Sound of Thunder. That would have been a nice package!
Great review!
I believe the main reason people would buy this new box set is due to the release of the new Dolby Atmos mix, which has never been released before. As you know, Dolby Atmos is an immersive sound format that positions sound objects around and above you in space. I think this album deserves to be experienced in this type of listening environment, which has never been achieved before with any of the previous productions you mentioned.
My only regret is that the Atmos disc is not being released separately at a normal price point, as more people would then have access to this new sound format for this brilliant album.
Dolby Atmos is a great selling point, but I would bet the majority of music buyers don't have a sound system to play it on. I do, and I'd love to have that mix. But not at this price.
@@TrackXTrack I totally agree.
hey kyle...really great breakdown on the boxes...the immersion boxset is definitely the one i would choose (that scarf is pretty cool looking).....i still have my copy of dark side from when it was released in the 70's...that works for me...however...i probably will pick up the vinyl of the wembley show as a solo purchase....thank you for taking the time to do such an in depth video on this...more time than floyd took putting the new package together it seems....take care of yourself...stay well...peace always...rocky
Good call on the Wembley on vinyl. That's all you really need if you already have the album itself. And yes, it seems as if I took more time making the video than Floyd did planning the new box set! LOL!
I already pre ordered the new boxset, I did not buy the immersion because I was not interested in a CD /DVD only boxset considering I have all their albums in CD and Vinyl… and bootlegs , the only thing that I agree is missing a video concert or maybe them recording the album. I dont care about the marbles, the scarff or whatever…The best boxset to this day I think it is Moving Pictures by Rush that includes drumsticks and guitar/bass picks, something more relatable to music.
The Moving Pictures box was very nice
The actual full Wembley show is available over the DSOTM & WYWH Immersion boxes plus Echoes from an 'Early Years' box, so you can make your own 2CD but still would've been nice to get the proper double CD and vinyl treatment here, oh and btw the 50th Wembley is remastered from the immersion version👍
Yes, I talked about the full Wembley show at 19:55. I've also seen nothing to indicate the Wembley disc is remastered or in any way different from the Immersion version, at least not in any of the info from the Pink Floyd website.
If you don’t have tge “monster” box if tge early years, you can’t nake your own complete recording of the 1974 live show. Coukd gave been a good idea to make it as a standalone double CD or a 3 o 4 lp set directly by pink floyd; surely I’ll have bought it immediately.
Wow I can’t believe how much better the 2011 set is!
Seriously! How sad that the 50 Years box is such a let down.
The only reason I didn’t buy the new boxset was because it’s lacking all the extras that the immersion set had.
Good call
You've pretty much summed it up for me too. My Immersion Box is good enough. And I think at some point, they will release the new remaster separately. Especially if the sales of this 50th Anniversary Box tanked. Thanks again for another great video.
I agree, a release of the remastered edition separately is inevitable... after they sucker enough people into buying the big box first.
In Japan, there will be a SACD sold separately with this new master. Import Sellers here in Germany want to have 70€ for this SACD but the beginning of separate releases is made already.
You’ve done a superb job here. At the price i was just going to go for the live vinyl. I can’t see the point of the set. Last year I got the Analog Productions release on SACD and I have Early Years and Immersion sets so I totally agree with you. I would’ve been the perfect customer but i need something new. You can pick up original 7” singles in the UK quite easily,
Glad this was helpful. I’ve got all the sane stuff as you and I won’t be buying the new box.
Thank you very much for breaking all this down. We’ll purchase the live album on vinyl separately but huge pass on 50th Box Set. It’s hard to fathom Gilmour signing off on this and if he did, we are incredibly ashamed of him and disappointed l.-Chris & Beth🎧
I agree, this is a pretty big insult to the fans. I might be able to excuse it if it was half that price, but I still would not buy or recommend it.
I get the shootout and all of that - but if you’re a vinyl guy, does any vinyl come in the Immersion Sets?
True, there is no vinyl version of the Immersion set. Regardless, vinyl fans should wait for the separate release of DSOTM that is sure to arrive later.
Thanks Kyle for this review. Is the new 2023 mix going to be release on streaming (for those who don't have enough money to buy the new box...) ? I'm sure when you spend 300 dollars to buy a box, you hear and understand "Money" in a different way 😅
Hi, I’ve just noticed a 2023 version of « brain damage » is available on Spotify so I would assume they will release the whole 2023 album on streaming platforms.
I think it is all but guaranteed that the 2023 remastered edition will be streaming, so yes, you can save your money for a Learjet or a football team.
But the immersion set didn’t have vinyl in it?
It's not a new stereo mix. It's a stereo remaster. The original analog tapes having been remastered onto DAT (probably) at stupidly high resolutions and then the DAT master - remastered onto new high-res files for 'pressing' onto cd's sa-cds, blu-rays and vinyl ect. Remixing involves changing sound levels of the original multichannel audio eg making the cymbals louder on the 2018 Animals remix. The only new mixes included- I think are the spatial audio one for the Atmos disc. But as stated this new mastering will be available on streaming and in high res. But to able to hear any appreciable difference you'll need hi-fi kit that will set you back a serious amount of money.
It’s on i tunes
As someone who while only 21 has spent years diving down the rabbit hole that is pink floyd demos and outtakes, it hurts seeing there isn't anything even remotely new there. No official versions of the darkside 1972 gigs, no early mixes, not even the full Wembly show. 50 years is a huge milestone and the albums history deserves way more than what is being given. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Sad indeed
There is a label selling the '74 Wembley Concert in a 2 album Spatter that was made from the Radio broadcast of the concert INCLUDING the Echoes track.
It’s an unofficial bootleg release, of course. It’s a widely bootlegged show, as are most radio broadcast concerts.
I have been a Pink Floyd merchandiser's dream from the beginning, having purchased not only all the box sets you have (literally getting a new credit card just to buy the Early Years mega set), but also the Later Years & the Shine On box from the 90s, both the Oh By The Way and Discovery box sets as well as smaller sets like the Is There Anybody Out There? Live Wall & recent Animals book sets. This will be the first time I will NOT be purchasing a Pink Floyd box set. It is a little sad but also kind of freeing, realizing I don't HAVE to buy it just because they offer it. I will probably get the book at some point, but there is nothing else for me in it...especially for $300.
Regarding the marbles, apparently Storm added those in as a joke because he said folks would have to have "lost their marbles" to buy those three albums again, so he was giving them back to us. If so, it makes me like them even more. Oh, and I have been spotted wearing the WYWH scarf in public on many an occasion.
Not surprised Storm was behind the marbles idea. That was exactly the kind of crazy we should expect from him!
Very funny about the marbles!
Since you didn't mention it (and I've actually never heard/seen anyone else mention it), did you ever find the hidden interview on the DSOTM Immersion Blu Ray?
Good point! I forgot to mention that. It's a fun little bonus!
Thanks so much for shedding some overdue light on this underrated rare and obscure album 🙄
I agree with everything you said. Better off getting the older remaster sets. I think this is too expensive in a relative way.
For sure
Great video. Thanks for explaining the differences. I'm so glad I picked up the Immersion Box Set in 2012 for $65 on Amazon. I'll be skipping this new release
Thanks for watching, and congrats on a steal of a price on the Immersion set in 2012!
I bought the Immersion sets when they came out. For that matter, I bought just about everything Floyd put their name on until The Early Years / The Later Years sets. I've loved Pink Floyd for the greater majority of my life but there's only so much time, energy and money I can put into what amounts to the same old stuff.
Seems like Pink Floyd is making a bad choice when fans like you and I, who have a history of buying almost everything they release, are saying "no thanks" this time.
I have immersion boxset. If 2023 boxset had "Remixed" album like Animals I would buy it.
Maybe
its a great review, I understand that the Immersion set is not available on vinyl.
True, Immersion was not available on vinyl. I wish they'd reissued it on LP instead of this overpriced 50th anniversary box
Great explanation of the new Floyd offerings and comparisons to the Immersion Dark Side set. .
Glad to help!
Thanks Kyle for this deep dive and yet very clear review ! That’s very useful for Pink Floyd fans ! I have the immersion boxset and like you I’m not appealed by these upcoming 2023 version. The only thing that could have attracted me in this 2023 version is if they had made a similar work than what they did on Animal which I truly enjoyed and allowed to rediscover this album in a very fresh way in my opinion. I would also be delighted to have a new mix/remastered version of the wall studio album that would give it the clear, breathing and powerful sound it would deserve instead of the original version that I’ve always found sounding « small » and « compressed ».
I very much appreciate your work ! Cheers from France !
Agree
I agree that The Wall is in need of some special attention. The Immersion set of that album was very good, but still a little lacking compared to the other two Immersion sets. A remix would have been a good idea there, and the lack of a surround sound mix was disappointing. And obviously the long buried films of the live concerts would have been great to finally see!
@@TrackXTrack The main thing I was hoping to get from the Wall Immersion set was the film versions of the songs that were expanded/updated, like Mother (I actually prefer the film version), The Thin Ice, In The Flesh, etc. Still waiting...
I don't have any of these fancy boxsets. I just have the 15 studio albums on Compact Disc and 1 vinyl and that's it. I have pre-ordered the 50th anniversary BOOK from Amazon (I don't see the point in wasting my money on the boxset because I already have all 15 of their studio albums, not to mention Relics on CD and early recordings of Live perfromances also on CD. I bought these albums individually over the years). So if i buy this boxset, i don't see how i'm getting anything new lol.
The albums are what matter most anyway
This man is great! He even pinned a dislike comment by a kid named David Young bloody brilliant and hilarious , thank you for your retrospective review on these box sets I for one always enjoy your videos.
Thanks! David just didn’t get it, I guess, but I knew everybody else would set him straight. LOL!
Will be registering for Dr. Kyle's Deep Dive Masterclass Video Series. Do put me down for a seminar list when you've scheduled it. 😉
LOL! I'm putting my PhD in Musicology to good use!
Not to get too technical but the inclusion of the separate object based rendering Dolby Atmos/ Spatial disc in the 50 year box set is likely to have been because:
a) the mix could be anything up to 24.1.10 - (ie 24 ear level speakers 1 sub woofer, 10 ceiling speakers) and which considering they're sending this mix out to do Planetarium /Imax shows seems likely, and Atmos like Dolby Digital+ is highly scalable. So not rigidly following the speaker configuration set up like say DTS 5.1 or PCM 5.1 does
b) The format wars between Dolby and DTS rage on and blu-rays have traditionally been the preserve of DTS Master Audio. With another object based rendering system - Sony 360 being in the ring to boot - I'm guessing Dolby wanted Floyd management to nail their colours to it's mast for such an iconic release.
c) More discs = better perceived value as you say.
incidentally I own a 20th Anniversary Cd - remastered in 1992.. which is awesome - embossed disc and everything. And a 30th Anniversary vinyl re-issue remastered in 2003. Considering it was remastered again in 2011, and yet again for 2023... and they are going off second or third generation analogue tapes - it's certainly sweating the DSOTM assets; Especially considering that Nick Mason is on record as saying that the 2011 immersion ect sets were probably going to be the past physical releases. So I shan't be bothering with this one, and just listen to it on High Res - Amazon Music HD
I suspect the reason is likely a combination of the elements you've described, though perhaps more points B and C than A.
Wow. That is what I call a deep dive. Thanks!
LOL! Yeah, that got deeper than I expected when I started. Thanks for watching!
The booklet with the colour photo of a pyramid on the cover (bottom, centre) looks like a booklet that came with the Japanese EMI pressing of DSOTM in the '70s. The text of that booklet (several pages) was Japanese...
I have all the immersions and most other boxes, the new 50th does leave me cold too
I'll wait for it to get discounted
In the meantime I bought the Wembley LP & CD
Good call.
No marbles, scarves, or coasters. Also no Parsons Quad mix. No thanks! I also have a decent Atmos setup, but I'm not paying that much to hear a slightly different mix again.
Too much is missing to justify the price
@@TrackXTrack Genesis, Floyd, and YES have been my favorite bands growing in the 70's and 80's. It is really strange to see what they are doing now. The Genesis box set coming out looks interesting, but the track listing is strange, and the concerts are incomplete. Kind of like the PF 74 Wembley concert. If you have all the live albums, Archives box set, and the later 5 box sets you can cobble together an entire a couple of shows from this new box set. Except for Ray Wilson's time with the band. Which is divisive enough as it is.
Great job with this video! I have the Immersion set for DSOTM and there's nothing I want from the 50th other than maybe the book but even that is probably lacking a lot of new material. -- I like the Immersion set for the discs and the box is actually quite nice, but can't stand the lack of cases for those 4 discs. All that said, if I didn't have either of them, I'd go for the Immersion set off Discogs or eBay and it can be found for less money than the ridiculous price of the 50th. Shame on them for the price of that.
Even if fans had to buy the Immersion set on eBay for $300, it is more worth that price than the 50 Year box!
@@TrackXTrack Absolutely agreed!
Great work Sir. Thanks a bunch!☀️
Most welcome!
I got 2CD experience edition of Dark Side about year ago for 100 PLN (20 USD) in Poland and do not need any of these 2 boxes. You can get Immersion Box on Polish shopping page (Allegro) from about 100 USD (450 PLN). Last year I was buying Early Years in parts and got 5 parts (1965-71) of 7 for about 600-700 PLN total (150-170 USD). Unfortunately 1 part (1972) was outsold before I raised money and 1 last part was not available at all (separately). I also got 3 boxes with concerts from 1970 (15 CD), 1971 (10 CD) and 1987 (8 CD) for total 1050 PLN (230 USD).
All of that is a better way to go than the new box set!
Have the Immersion The Wall, Wish you were here & Dark side on the Moon. The main reason I bough 50th anniversary Dark side is the inclusion of vinyl. Expensive yes, but that’s just the way things are today.
I get it, but if you waited you could get the vinyl by itself.
I have slowly been collecting ALL the King Crimson box sets as they are such good value. I have collected NONE of the Pink Floyd box sets (apart from a cheap second-hand Discovery box set for the remastered albums) as they always seem way too overpriced in comparison. I just can't justify spending the money on their box sets
I agree the KC box sets deliver good value for the money. But I also think the three Pink Floyd Immersion box sets were well done and properly priced. The Early Years and Later Years box sets were both overpriced, though. I only bought the Early Years box after finding a great sale price.
2011 remasters? gross
The Dolby Atmos is awesome.
Forget the 5.1 mix of the Immersion Box. In a direct comparison, that was a nice first try. With the 5.1 mix you can still locate each individual speaker. The missing rear channel is always noticeable.
Thanks to Dolby Atmos, there is a homogeneous sound image. Finally you can hear the album the way it was always meant to be heard. The Quadro technology and everything that followed was not that far along.
Thanks for intro to the Pink Floyd set Sir.
You bet!
I still have my copy of the SACD release from the early 2000s! Although I’ve never actually listened to it on a system that supports the format. But I think the newer anniversary editions have remasters for all the modern formats so I’m planning on getting one soon just not sure which yet. My favorite album of all time, timeless masterpiece!!
DSOTM sounds great in surround sound no matter which version you have!
@@TrackXTrack I’m sure it does, but I’ve been rocking a simple soundbar for so long, I have a Dolby Atmos surround system on wishlist but they’re pricey 😬
Good deep dive, Thanks You! I would have liked to see 2 inclusions 1. a transfer of Black Triangle cd (which I've read is the one to own) and 2.a needle drop of the original UK vinyl release of the album. The band Yes did that on their beautiful surround releases a few yes back. As the box set sits I will be passing (I did order the Wembley show)
Also, I wonder if the scarfs are a nod to Gerald Scarfe?
Spin on you crazy diamonds!
Fantastic video Kyle, great in depth review and opinions. I fully agree, it will be just the live album for me, thankful that will be available individually.
I haven't pre-ordered the live album yet. I'm considering it, but since I already have it, I know it is pointless. But my collector's mentality often gets the best of me. :)
The Concert CD at Wembley 1974 was included in The Dark Side of the Moon Experience in 2016. I have that. The only thing is it's on vinyl for the first time. Why not an audiophile treatment vinyl? No thought was put into this.
Yeah, not much consideration given to what fans would want
I already have the DSOTM Immersion box set and I'm gonna buy the new DSOTM 50th Anniversary box set. I don't have any DSOTM vinyl and here comes a fine reproduction of the original album with cards (stickers ?) and posters. I really like the time poster and the 1974 concert vinyl looks (in my opinion) beautiful. I'm also really curious about this new 2023 remaster (I admit, I wish it was a remix like Animals - perhaps next time ?). Yes, it's overpriced but I am a collector and I know I will have regrets if I don't buy it.
By the way, good job with your 1965-1972 box set because I never found it on sale... I bought the pieces separatly but I wish I could have this one... Who knows, maybe one day ?
Anyway, thank you for your review wich was very interesting ! Excuse my English, I'm French :-)
The new box set is definitely for collectors. Most others will probably not get as much value from it. Hope you enjoy it!
i always thought that the marbles were only a thing for the the wall immersion box set lol
LOL. Yep, they had a set in all three Immersion boxes.
I buy the boxset immersion 2012 no need buy another boxset 50th so close same things inside the boxset but just vinyl not in immersion boxset… I have lp demos and more stuff of 50th….the secret under this ….David Gilmor & wife Polly want more money lol 😊
thanks Kyle for sharing stuff boxset about dark side of Pink Floyd 😊
If you have the Immersion set, you have everything you need (except vinyl)
I would love a 2023 Remastered HiRes DVD in regular 2.1 Stereo. It's too bad they can't sell that separately like the book because there's no way in H*LL I'm going to pay $299. for one! I'm not interested in going back to vinyl albums again either. Been there, done that, back in the day, don't miss snap-crackle & pop. Guess I'll just continue to stream or play my CD's of the 2011 Remaster!
I'd bet the 2011 CD will sound almost identical to the 2023.
24/192 2023 remaster for sale on qobuz come friday
Holding out for a separate Atmos disc release. Also I think they "could" be holding stuff back for a mega Middle Years box set, but that's more hope than anything else.
I doubt we'll see a separate Atmos disc, but I could be wrong. I think a smaller CD/DVD/Bluray set later in the year is more likely since they didn't release the album separately yet. As for a Middle Years box set, I've considered that too, but I think they mostly covered that era already with the Immersion box sets and last year's Animals release. And I don't think Gilmour and Mason want anything to do with a Final Cut re-release.
@@TrackXTrack My theory is that there was already a separate 5.1 mix for Dark Side with the SACD release (inc the latest from Acoustic Sounds last year). But now there is arguably a higher level surround mix with the Atmos version.
The Middle Years could be a thing. I mean they released the 3 Immersion box sets back in 2011, but it didn’t stop them with this 50th Anniversary deluxe box.
Who knows? Perhaps they see more profit in singular album box sets than era sets? Shame if they didn’t as the “Years” boxes, though had their faults, were both nicely put together. Plus, it could be an opportunity to tie things up with the complete Wembley show and a surround mix of The Wall (which was missing from the Immersion set).
Fingers crossed!
@@andrewskivington6453 l absolutely have been following this theory for a few years, combined with live footage and concerts. Led Zeppelin were recording gig's on video in 1969, so it wouldnt make sense for some of this not to have been recorded. Also interesting is the talk of the catalogue being up for sale and l think that would expedite any ultimate boxset so they can pillage the collection before random record execs. And for that l couldnt blame them, its their music, but that pipe dream is going to be ... expensive!!
@@jamesmcgreevy6426 Given the petty ping pong of jibes and arguments with Waters and Gilmour the only hope of decent new releases will hopefully be when they sell the catalogue. My only worry that Waters outbursts can only tarnish the legacy and value of it.
I have all three immersion box sets & will be getting the 50th dark side of the moon box set has well . if you are a loyal PF fan then it is a must have .
Eh, I'm a loyal fan too, but this new box is more about fleecing fans. Not cool.
Thanks! Great job! I should try immersion
Hope you can find one!
What do you think will come next for Pink Floyd ? The full version of the live at Pompei, maybe ?
Pompeii would be an easy one. Maybe they'd release a three disc set with the album on CD and the film on both DVD and bluray. (Or a bigger set adding the concert on double vinyl.) After all, they put all of that in the Early Years box set, so they just need to repackage the content. And sadly, if this new DSOTM set is a sign of what we should expect for the 50th anniversary of WYWH, that will be a hard pass for fans with the Immersion set as well.
Reissue The 8-track! I had a GE Loudmouth that I carried in high school, to most of my classes. 1980-81. I went through a few Pink Floyd 8-tracks. Good times!
#Reissuethe8track
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That would be a fun item to own!
FYI, Wembley not included in hires audio with the box but it is listed on Qobuz at 24-96. Why wouldn't this be on one of the Blu-rays that has so much unused space?
There didn't need to be two separate blurays when everything could have fit on one, including the Wembley audio.
I used to have the old dark side CD where speak to me and breathe were one single track and it sounded cleaner than the 30th anniversary edition I have and the 2011 remaster. Both of the remasters sounded flat on one and compressed on the other. Now the 30th SACD 5.1 mix is a whole different story. I bought in 2003 and didn’t get to experience it in 5.1 until 2012 when I got my first full surround setup, I almost cried. I gave away that old CD when I bought the 2011 remaster thinking I don’t need. Boy do I feel dumb, I think it was the Capitol recording. I’m not spending $300 for yet another remaster especially I can’t just buy the CD. Now Roger water’s is going to remix the record. I’ll have to wait for his much more affordable work.
Too many mixes. The new one is unnecessary.
@@TrackXTrack I got the 2018 remix of animals based on your recommendation, sounds amazing. Bought the CD and the 5.1 Blu-ray. The Blu-ray is absolutely mind blowing. If Roger remixes dark side this way and releases a Blu-ray version, I’m jumping on that. You definitely experience sounds and samples that get lost in the mix before.
Well now that’s pretty much what I thought because on my other statement you hadn’t mention you’ve heard it I did, but after me making that and thinking about the changes and stuff I can be made and I thought why would anybody want to change it it was perfectly mastered originally and I’m sure they had a hard time, deciding when they made the dark side of the Moon album but anyway enjoy your content. Enjoy your show and then join Pink Floyd. God bless.!
Thanks for watching!
Ahh... Thanks for taking the time Kyle, your Excellent Man..!! Just wondering... Anything about Prince in the near future mate..! Thanks again Kyle 😁
We are OVERDUE for new Prince! Supposedly, a Diamonds & Pearls deluxe edition was planned but then shelved. I have a feeling we'll see that next in 2023, though. Otherwise, there's no milestone anniversaries to celebrate this year, so I suppose anything is fair game.
This was a really good review. Thanks. Subbed.
Thanks! I appreciate it! Welcome to the channel!
It's a shame that neither of these box sets have the US posters (the green pyramids and the portrait band poster). Reprints of the 20th anniversary postcards should also be in the new box somewhere. I understand they are making this one more commemorative, focusing on the legacy rather than fancy alternates and outtakes, so reprinting all the legacy artwork should be taken more seriously
Those would make nice additions
Thanks for this valuable comparison. I'll wait a few months and hopefully the price will drop like Early Years or Appetite for Destruction mega boxes.
Exactly! I didn't buy the Early Years until it went on sale for a much lower price. Glad I waited! (And yeah, I've seen the GnR box set way cheaper too!)
I bought the immersion boxed set some time after its release and thought it was pretty good, but within three years, the Blu-ray audio disc containing the 5.1 and 4.0 remixes became unplayable by either of my two players. You can see some kind of strange delamination happening on the surface of the disk. Fortunately, the DVD with the same surround mixes remains playable.
But it's a bit of a bummer considering that they weren't exactly giving away the immersion box, either. Although I guess that now it looks like a bargain.
i got Immersion Box Set and also have uk 1st press a2 b2 ,also the japan first press with light blue triangle ,, the japan press sounds the best for me, followed bey uk 1st,
but the cd box set is awesome must have, even though it sounds great to
You've got a nice variety of formats there!
Agree with your analysis on this. I read there were Blu Ray degradation problems with the Immersion set that were replace in 2018. I don't have the set, it would be nice though. Ran across it used for $80 years ago, missing a lot of the swag though. Too bad none of it is on vinyl other than the live concert. All digital concerns me as I have a digital collection and have had degradation problems with some discs. I might track down a used copy of Immersion anyway. Probably at least $200 to $300 easily now. I'm returning my 50th Anniversary set back to Amazon unopened. Big disappointment. Bought just the live set for $27 on vinyl, its all I want. Who cares about the rest of the fluff and I hear the remaster is terrible as well.
You are right, the remaster does sound terrible, at least the version I have listened to here on Pink Floyd's CZcams channel, when compared with the CZcams version of the original 1973 record. Notice how it seems that, in order to amplify Gilmour's guitar, they created a lack of, sometimes almost complete absence of the soundscapes and the backing vocals (the famous multi-tracked "oohs" and "aahs") that made Time into the masterpiece of a song that it is. Not really sure why this song was massacred (at least in the YT version of the 23 mix) to favour the guitar that, apart from that one ah-mmmazing solo, mostly plays rhythm. Perhaps it makes sense when heard in Atmos Dolby, idk
The price tag for the new box is all about the swag, but who cares about all those trinkets? It should be about the music!
I agree with your sentiment. I got all three immersion sets and when the DSOTM 50th set was announced I laughed and went cold on it straight away. The only thing I haven't got is the Atmos mix. I have DSOTM already in 5.1, DVD/Blu-Ray and SACD formats so no real big deal as far as I'm concerned.
Why couldn’t they release the full pro recording of Brighton 72 and the multi track recording of Radio City Music Hall 73??
Those would have made this a better set, for sure
Hi Kyle. Hope you are well. This is a great video and you make a lot of good points. The new release is baffling and even a little desperate. I cannot see any reason to buy it. I think we may need to accept that there’s very little unheard Pink Floyd left to be released.
I know there are some who think Floyd is holding things back, but I'm not so sure. I mean, what would be the point of holding anything back at this point? I don't think there's anything of real value left for them to release from their archives. Regardless, the 50 Years set is insulting. Not including anything from the Immersion set except the abridged Wembley show is ridiculous.
I won't be taking a chance on the box-set or the included remaster as I'm fine n good with my 2011 version of DSOTM.
One thing I can't understand is Dark Side has always been a fantasticly engineered record (to me!) so to bring out countless remasters every few years or so just bewilders me. I'll be getting the Live At Wembly cd, but that's as far as my celebrations for DSOTM's 50th will go!! 😁
Each to their own ears. "Money, it's a gas..."
I agree about the remasters. I mean, it's not like the 2011 version was in any way bad or subpar! As you said, this was a very well engineered album to begin with, and it has been well presented in terms of audio quality for a long time. Maybe a hi-res version on bluray for audiophiles would be worthwhile if someone has a sound system that can take full advantage of that, but as far as CD and vinyl goes, I think the existing versions are excellent as-is.
They’ll bring the 50th vinyl and cd out separate eventually. I have the immersion so I’ll stick with that. I’d love a meddle immersion set
Totally agree on all points
Still have the vinyl I bought in 1973
Nice!
I was on the fence about this. Yeah I know its a shed load of money but i have enjoyd Floyd since u was a teen in the late 80s but never really collected boxsets of Floyd. I decided to buy this as I started with P.U.L.S.E. ETC. Plus ive got a slight pay rise and since my brother died last year I guess I want to enjoy my life to the fullest and having this will but a slight smile on my face.
As long as it is worth it to you and it brings you joy, that's all that matters
@Track X Track It will do thanks.
I have a 2016 vinyl copy..was gifted to me as a present..it actually sounds very good indeed.
No need to buy it again!
Agreed. The immersion sets are just right, dont need addtl.
Exactly
I love Pink Floyd. I have all the Immersion box sets; I have the early years box and the later years. Oh and the Animals remix set as well. This almost makes me mad they put this out. I guess this is good for people that didn't get the older sets. WYWH and TDSOTM Immersion are awesome. The Wall was a letdown. Should have had a 5.1 mix and maybe through in the movie as well.
The Wall Immersion set definitely didn't live up to the high standard set by DSOTM and WWYH, but it was still a good set. Hopefully they will revisit the album for a better box set.
On Amazon Canada, the box set is listed at $430 ! 🤯. I ordered the hard cover book and the Live at Wembley CD and that’s it for me. Who needs a 100th remaster of the album anyway. That plus the ticket price for the Pink Floyd exhibition Their Mortal Remains ($55) and the exhibition official book ($70) in just a few months is enough for me. And I don’t like sending too much of my hard earned money to Roger Waters. 😅
At least you have the ability to see the exhibition! I wish it was going to be somewhere close to me. I'd go for sure!
@@TrackXTrack It was great to have the chance to visit that exhibition (I live just a two hour drive from Montreal),it is awesome. I caught COVID while I was there but it worth it. 😅 BTW, great channel. Keep on the good work!
I have every single boxed set they ever released, starting with Shine On, and up to The Early Years, The Later Years, the Animals remix. I also own just about everything they ever released on vinyle, including both the original and rereleased PULSE vinyle box (and a japanese CD replica of it) and the Echoes box set. I started to draw a line at the individual releases of stuff already available in the Later Years box.
I have always made money available for a Pink Floyd release, however expensive was the set and tight my personal situation, they're just that important to me. Back in the day, I even bought a SACD player because of the first Dark Side release in 5.1. But this ? With both the cool new live LP cover and the book separately available, the only new thing left is the Atmos mix that I have no use for...
Now to be honest, the people who own a Atmos-capable sound system probably have no problem with the $300 price. Eck, it's probably cheap enough for them to buy several as door stops.
Great point about those who can use the Atmos mix. Those sound systems are an investment that makes the $300 price of the box set seem cheap by comparison.
Don’t know if you answered this, but what is the gold box behind the remaster of the dark side?
Good question. I believe that is some kind of slipcase to hold the vinyl.
Hey Kyle brother. Great video. Like my last comment. Gonna stick with my immersion box set. But wouldn't mind hearing the Dark Side new remastering.. Have a great Saturday buddy.
As someone else commented, I think the 2023 remaster will inevitably be released separately at some point after they get enough people to buy the big box first. Not sure if I'd buy it, though. "Remastered" isn't always better. I mean, it's not as if the remaster from 2011 was sloppy or bad. No one was asking for this album to be remastered again.
Can anyone tell me if either of the 5.1 mixes in this new box set are any different than the 2003 5.1 mix included in the immersion box set?
Seems like the aftermarket prices for Immersions is pretty close to what this new set costs. I'd rather just get the new one since I didn't get the other.
Even at aftermarket prices, the Immersion set is a better value than the 50 Years set.
Exactly! I missed the opportunity to buy the Immersion box set. The used ones go for 250 bucks...
I like Dark Side Of The Moon but am not a big enough fan to buy the box set, even if its price decreases quite a bit. However, I'd really like to get just a blu-ray disc with the album in 5.1 surround sound. Last year's Animals reissue includes a stand-alone blu-ray disc with that album in 5.1, and it's only $20 on Amazon right now. Do you think this 50th anniversary celebration of DSOTM might eventually include a stand-alone blu-ray disc release?
I was VERY surprised the Animals bluray disc was released separately, and to be honest I don't expect the DSOTM bluray to be released separately, but I could be wrong. What I think we will see is a multi-disc set released later in the year that will be similar to the Momentary Lapse of Reason set, including the 2023 remastered album on CD along with multiple DVD/bluray discs, probably priced around $50. I do NOT expect that set to include the Wembley show again, nor do I expect it to include any of the Immersion set materials. We'll also see single CD and LP releases of the 2023 remastered album at the same time. And maybe, MAYBE a new SACD release similar to the Animals SACD.
The bluray of my immersion box has poor quality. Stopped working soon. Cant get a replacement. Would buy a new one. But not marbles, scarf, postcards and whatnot
Yeah, I never care about swag, just the music and video.
@@TrackXTrack thanks! I do not mind the swag stuff, nice extras to look at once, shrug and say something like "whatever...".
I just don't understand that the quality of the discs is so poor. The bluray from wish you were here also doesn't work. Also no replacement. No one to turn to. The early years blurays... well... ordered on amazon, got a replacement.
Why would I spend 300 bucks on the atmos mix (the only interesting item) knowing the quality might be poor again?!
simple fact: Darkside immersion set used is about 280 -300 Dollar.
the new boxset cost me 300 dollars for NEW sealed BOX with a lot of vinyl. its simple.
i cannot afford 300 dollars for an used box with 3 cd. i prefer to buy the new one
As someone with the immersion set its dissapointing that this is almost a retread
And a poor retread, at that.
Thank you for such a nice video and complete review. Personally, I find this truly disappointing. They did not include any new material and expect us, PF fans, to pay $300. I got the immersion box for like 1/3 of the price this 50th anniversary box set is listed for preorder. Too bad they didn't put any effort to come up with what could have been a great set. Greetings.
Yeah, it was a disappointing box set, for sure! Immersion was so much better.
After 50 years of dark side of the moon it still have the same 10 songs since 1973 stop hoping some thing new will magically come to light just injoy the original for another 50 years
No one is hoping for magic, just a better value
Most definitely marketed to those born yesterday.
Sad but true
Totally agree the 50th DS set is massively lacking in content and hugely over priced. Like you I'm exactly who Pink Floyd should be targeting however this set isnt for me.
Right! Such a missed opportunity!
I'd take the UV 50th Anniversary Press over the box set , 100 percent. Also I love Roger Waters but why ? Why Roger did you have to remake a perfect concept masterpiece.
King Crimson has released massive deluxe box sets including tons of bootleg-sourced material. It's unfortunate that Pink Floyd don't do the same.
The KC box sets are very impressive!
Have the Immersion set. Got it when it was released. Will pass on this latest DSOTM release!
Same here. Nothing for me here.
For me, it’s very disappointing we’re not getting a new mix of this album, the original by Parsons is amazing, but as with the Animal’s remix, it makes you excited to hear the album again & I feel like ANOTHER remaster is useless when the 2011 is perfectly fine. The Immersion Set & The Wembley set will be what I’m purchasing.
I don't know. I agree a new remaster is pointless. But I'm not in favor of a remix. Animals truly needed it. But DSOTM is one of the best mixed albums of all time. Why remix it? Different for the sake of being different isn't a good reason.
I’m one of 3 people in the United States who was never enamored with this album in particular and Pink Floyd in general. It has to do with the fact that I’ve never been much of a progressive rock fan. Having said that, I really enjoyed listening to your description of this box set, Kyle. You are always interesting to listen to, no matter the topic. Nice job as always.
You're not a Floyd fan? Sounds like a serious character flaw, to me! LOL! That's ok, we can still keep things civil and discuss music here. :)
1 out the 2, maybe....
I Only bought the Wembley pool 1974 on vinyl, I already have the Immersion Box back in 2011
What I really would have wanted was the 1972 early mix to be release on Vinyl THAT WOULDVE BEEN AWESOME!!!
Yeah, the early mix is pretty cool!
Great review! Is the vinyl version of the immersion box set the same pressing as the 40th?
I don't believe there was a vinyl edition of any of the Immersion sets, but any of the vinyl editions that have been released in the past ten years should be from the same masters.
@@TrackXTrack great review. I sonny see the value in the new one, just buying the live vinyl and the book. Thanks for clarifying as well!
I agree! It's a money-grab and I can't get why they are demanding such a high price for it.
I have all the music that this box contains before.
Yeah, getting the Wembley live album on vinyl could have been cool, however I'm not going to pay the insane price they demand for this set just for that! It's not even the whole show!
If they release the whole Wembley concert as a standalone album, I will be tempted to buy that though... at least if the price is reasonable.
I already have Dark Side on vinyl, and I believe that almost everyone in the target group for this box has. The remastering is just a hype; the original sounded good enough, and in my experience remasters almost never sound better than the original releases, and I doubt this will be different.
I also have the Dark Side part of the Wembley concert on CD, as part of the Experience edition I bought 12 years ago.
The vinyl singles are not that interesting actually; they are just TERRIBLE radio edits of songs from the album. But if you want them, you can get the original singles cheap. I am also surprised that the Money single in the box set has a generic sleeve and not a picture sleeve as the single had in some of the countries in which it was released.
As for everything else in this box; well, you'll get that and more in the Immersion Box Set, which seems to me to be better value for money. The Immersion box is also expensive, but you still get more for less than in the 50th anniversary box.
All great points! And when the individual vinyl and CD versions come out later this year outside of the box set, there will have been no point in spending the big bucks at all.