(Part 1) A Pair of Bose S1 Pros With a Bose Sub2 Subwoofer, Have I Created the Best Micro System?
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Keep in mind that I do not work for Bose, and these are just my personal opinions.
I think I have put together an incredible Bluetooth Micro System! It's a great first system for anyone; able to fit in the smallest cars, light weight, powerful full range sound that can be taken almost anywhere. I play Roland electronic drums through this system so I was looking for a subwoofer that could handle the deep bass of a kick drum. This system effectively fills my home (a large space with a cathedral ceiling) with music. Don't mention this to my "audiophile" friends out there but this system will outperform many pricey HI-fi systems with the traditional receiver, two speakers, subwoofer, all tied together with a spaghetti mess of cables. This system would probably have a high wife acceptance factor. Would make a great Karaoke system or a system for backyard pool parties 50-75 people, maybe even 100. Can always add a second Sub2! This system is also great for playing outdoors; plug in a guitar and microphone and create your own outdoors mini Woodstock. I have other suggestions for less expensive portable systems, or I can share the ultimate portable system I have created. Feel free to ask questions about hookup!
Cable connection:
All you need is one cable. From the line out of the S1Pro into a Channel input of sub. Make sure the cable is TRS 1/4" to TRS 1/4" or 1/4" TRS to XLR male. I like the XLR cable better because it has a more secure connection. If you plan on putting the sub between the two speakers, get a 10-15 foot cable.
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Music store review: Paired SUB 1 with (2) S1 on bluetooth via line input Bluetooth on Party Mode. It's like having a band in my living room. Awesome performance. Thank You Bose. You did it again. Now imagine what the Sub2 would do??
Very informative review, just purchased S1pro few days ago , love it , compliment my EV evolve 50 line array system,
Thanks for the feedback. S1 Pro lined out from EV sounds great! Many people should try that before getting a second column if they need more coverage.
Thanks to you! I’m totally in love with my simple lightweight killer sound ! S1 -Pro And The Fishman Sub 👍👍👍👍
Great I was able to help you get the right subwoofer!
Is your S1 Pro on a stand or did you figure out a way to mount it to the Fishman Sub?
this is quite some time already, how do you think about the fishman sub performing with the s1 pro? got two s1 pro and thinking to get the fishman sub or the bose sub 1. expecting roughly 100 ppl indoor or outdoor gigs. cheers.
Some more critical Specs: The frequency response of the Bose S1Pro goes down to 62Hz on the low end. Adding this subwoofer, the frequency response now extends down to 37 Hz. These missing low end frequencies make a huge difference! Adding a sub creates a full range system.
Nice!! Bought one s1 pro and im amazed. Im buying thr same set up u have
Great! Sub2 will put you in another world!
cool music weiss love to feel 4 of those sub 2s
Thanks!
I have 2 S1 pros and a F1 Subwoofer and it is sick too. Greetings from Germany
Is this good for a party with over 25 people
@@andricksonrodriguez1905 Safe 21 and mooooore
@@andricksonrodriguez1905 Probably closer to 75 people.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz nope! The F1 is advertised to be capable for 1000 audience max. 1000w - 1w per head.
But, since.. our main motive is hard rough style music, we will consider 4w for each person! More than good enough for 200+ audience (indoors only)
how did you set the crossover frequency?
On Sub 2 there is a setting for L1 and an LPF setting at how much frequency does the LPF setting cut?
Viewer comment: In response to some folks posting that the Bose S1 Pro wasn't loud enough, especially in the vocals department. Since loud and soft are relative terms I decided to measure actual decibel levels. The app I used is called Decibel X. It's a must app for all musicians. In this video, my vocal (Shure SM 58) volume is set at 3/4 with 1/4 reverb, which I changed to 1/2 after viewing this video and my instrument volume is at 1/2. What I discovered was this battery operated, 15 lb. speaker is not as loud as my my 39 lb. JBL EON615 which puts out 127 db max. SPL or my 41 lb. JBL EON One line array which puts out 118 db max. SPL. NO, this unit puts out only 103 db peak (did I mention it only weighs 15 lbs.) What does it all mean you ask? SPL stands for Sound Pressure Level and it's the primary objective unit of measure for output (NOT Watts). Continued exposure to SPL above 90 dB can cause permanent hearing damage. Remember that dB levels drop the further away from the source... the goal is to have a level of 85 dB max where the listener is, thus the reason these units have a rating of over that, which gives you some head room. I also discovered that this unit is ideal for small rooms with 40-50 people or busking. It's size and weight make this unit very, very convenient especially for solo or duo musicians/singers.
I bought the pro s1 (single) but will buy the sub2 and another S1. Would this be sufficient for an audience of 200-300 people i wonder in a reasonable size room. Thanks
what kind and size of speaker stand that fit S1 Pro ?
Would I be able to use one Bose sub2 in a live sound setting for a room that will be sitting 100 people on average ?
What’s the purpose of the Bose XLR Wireless Mic/Line Transmitter for S1 Pro+ PA System?? Can it be used for connecting Bose pro 1 to sub 1???
EcoFlow Pro is the power station I now use. The one I showed in the video is no longer made. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08T1KY8SG/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_6?smid=AH59O987TZWZR&psc=1
S1 Pros are paired wirelessly through the Bose connect App. Run a TRS cable out from the first S1Pro into Sub2 input. Very Simple and sounds incredible!
I believe round 2:40 you mention that the whole system -- both the S1Pros and the Sub2 -- are battery operated. Can you explain how you connected this? You mentioned you might make a video if there was enough interest. Did you ever make the video? I would love to do this setup.
Good work! I really appreciate your videos for BOSE speakers and I also appreciate your opinions. I have a question: I am currently deciding between L1 model II + B2, or L1 16 Pro or 2x S1 Pro + 2x SUB1 (or 1xSUB2) Can you compare these variants? What would you recommend for these needs: universal use for live music for weddings and celebrations for up to 100 people (electric guitar, acoustic guitar, keyboards, electric drums, 3x vocals) + recorded music.
Thanks for the compliment! What have you been using in the past? L1 M2 is great but B2 bass is poor. I have never heard the Pro16. 2x Sa1Pros/Sub1 - No! Doesn't have the headroom for that size crowd and is not made for that many instruments playing through it at once. That S1 Pro system would cost $2,900. For $300 more the Pro32/Sub2 is the way to go. I'm not sure even the Pro32 can handle that many instruments at once?? Might want to call Bose for advice or post this question on the Bose facebook forum.
Designed to use a mixer LR out to SUB LR inputs, thru to S1 Pro LR... I have two S1 Pros and going to purchase the sub1 or 2 soon...
Dude, I got the F1 Sub and it rocks! I also have 2 S1 Pro’s
Good video. By hooking this setup the way you did, you are favoring portability and BT streaming, but you are also sacrificing a great feature that might result in better sound performance. And that is running the music first into the sub and then out to the S1Pros in filtered or crossover mode, so that they only have to handle the higher frequencies. This way, the S1 Pros are not burdened by a lower end that they’d struggle with, leaving it to the more than capable sub instead. I would believe that you can get much more headroom this way. True, you’d have to wire everything up, but then again, I believe the bluetooth module in these speakers is not the best sounding. Wired connections would also help make them shine. By the way, the Sub1 and Sub2 have a setting specifically designed to be matched with the S1 Pros.
I have 2 s1pros and I sub 1 and it absolutely 💯 has more head way. Absolutely amazing sound. Go through the sub. 😉
Thanks, I know I am giving up SQ but the whole idea is to go Bluetooth so not tethered to cables.
@@shaneberckman I have not heard the Sub1 yet. I'm sure it an incredible improvement from S1 Pros by themselves.
@@shaneberckman hey man how do you connect it up via the sub? I have the 2 s1 pros and about to order the sub and want to connect it this way. I will come in with a mixer the Bose one
@@FinstaDaMinsta yes the Bose mixer is the best for the Bose speakers. To connect these with a sub go from the mixer Left and right into the sub inputs then the side you have the left running to connect that one to the left s1pro a d do the same thing for the right s1pro. And on the sub there is a L1 button hold it down till the light turns green then adjust your gain controls on the speakers. I usually pushed s1pros 1 notch back from from the halfway point and the sub no higher than halfway just depends on how bass heavy you want it and enjoy 😉
Since making this video I substituted the Sub2 for the Sub1 subwoofer. The Sub1 doesn't have the low end extension of the Sub2 or play as loud but it is an excellent performer. For those wanting this set up for a home situation the smaller size of the Sub1 might fit better.
What is new driver like (design) punchy? Subwoofer
@@MobilediscowirralCoUk The Sub1 is punchy. It is comparable to a 12 inch sub but lighter. The Sub2 is comparable to a 15 inch sub, again lighter. The Sub2 goes down lower than most live subs in this price range, it is very musical like a home Hifi subwoofer.
i got a small condo, i think sub1 is just fine with my two S1 pros. greetings from las vegas nevada.
@@CalvinKleinManzano I made this video because I already had the Pro32/Sub2. You are right the Sub1 with S1Pros are the better match for 95% of people. Only playing outside would I feel the Sub2 is needed.
Nice set-up and demo. I wonder if 2x L1 Pro 8 (without Sub2) use as stereo are comparable to your mini setup? Would there be enough lows?
I have thought about that combination for $2,400. You would lose the wireless battery advantage of the S1s. There would be very good bass with two Pro8s but I think it wouldn't equal the single Sub2. The fact that the Sub2 goes down to 37Hz vs 45Hz is a big difference, plus the Sub2 would go louder at the lowest HZ because of its 1,000 watts vs. 480 watts for 2 times Pro8. The Sub2 is a house shaker! Of course the highs would be beautiful with a pair of Pro8s.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz make sense, thanks for the reply Bill.
Fantastic setup, thinking of getting the sub. How did you do the battery setup?
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Hi.!
Can you show the cables please ? And the back área Conecction?
Sorry the system is taken apart so I can't take picture. From the line out of S1Pro need TRS cable. 1/4"TRS to 1/4"TRS or 1/4"TRS to XLR Male to input of subwoofer. Second cable -power cable from subwoofer to AC wall outlet or power generator. Hope this helps.
Even Sounds incredible through CZcams, when compared to other speaker videos.
Thanks, recorded with least expensive CZcams microphone - iPhone!
Bill, did you ever find out the max SPL of the s1pro and sub1 when linked together ??
Yes I did. I was surprised to find there was almost no increase in dB, maybe 1dB. Still about 101dB max before red clipping. Of course the Sub1 transforms the S1 Into a full range system but don't plan on playing to greater number of people. But those same number of people will sure enjoy dancing to a Sub1/S1 rig!
I currently have rcf evox 8. Love them but they are heavy!
I have 2 x bose s1 and love the idea of base set up. What is the total wattage in this system and is it worth chipping in my 2k watt rcf rig?
Bose Sub1 is a better match with the S1 Pros but if you want to run with the Evox 8 than Sub2 is the way to go!
I have an s1 pro and love it. If I bought a 2ne one does it connect wireless with the the instrument plugins?
Not sure, call Bose tech support they should be able to answer you. Probably not, only Bluetooth information is shared between the two speakers.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Only Bluetooth is shared between the two speakers wirelessly. If you want to connect a second one, you have to use a cable.
Greetings from guam USA.
Recently received a s1pro as a gift
My plans for near future is how u have set up
Will update in upcoming sets
Nice gift! If you add a second S1Pro and a Sub2 you will have an incredible system! I don't know your application but the Sub1 is also great but of course less powerful. For more information on the Sub1 check out this video: czcams.com/video/nPjECZgscLs/video.html
Hi Bill, I have a 10 year old Bose L1 M2 B2 , adding a Sub2 will it enhance the overall sound? If Yes, how would you connect it to the system?
Yes! Adding a Sub2 would transform the L1M2 to the next level. The Sub2 outperforms the B2 by two or three times the bass output and quality. As far as connection I'm not sure, maybe through Paclite Amps. Call Bose support they can answer that question.
Do you have any problems using a newer iPhone connecting to party mode? My iPhone 12 works great but I cannot get my iPhone 14 pro to work. Any ideas?
iPhone 13 no problem!
Can you use standard pole for sub2? What mic was used to vlog bose output? Btw, thanks for the video 👍
Must use M20 threaded pole. I used my Ipad microphone. Sounds horrible on video playback!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz sounds good. I thought it was an external mic. Thanks
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Thank you for all your videos! Really helped me choose what I want to go with. This is exactly what I'm going to run. I have the speakers ordered and want to buy the cables. In some of your videos you have a external BT when connecting. Here you don't, so can you tell me exactly what cables to buy? sorry...Noobie here.
No external bluetooth needed. All you need is one cable. From the line out of the S1Pro into a Channel input of sub. Make sure the cable is TRS 1/4" to TRS 1/4" or 1/4" TRS to XLR male. I like the XLR cable better because it has a more secure connection. If you plan on putting the sub between the two speakers, get a 10-15 foot cable.
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@@WWeiss-nv5vz I have a buddy that works for Bose and he told me a new S1 model was coming out this month. I was waiting for that speaker to drop before pulling the trigger. Just ordered two S1 pro+ along with the Sub2. I have the cable in my cart. Thank you for the link!! what do you recommend for stands? I don't want to use a single pole w/sub.
Hi Bill does the sub 2 collect the sound from both speakers? Or does it just collect sound from the 1 S1 pro that it’s connected to? Thank you
Not 100% sure, but probably signal only from the S1 it is connected to.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thank you sir
Can you please demonstrate how did you wire the whole system? Thanks in advance.
Download Bose Connect App- Pair two speakers- Click Stereo L/R
Two cable set up: From Line Out of Bose S1Pro connected to Bluetooth need 1/4 inch TRS to Male XLR cable. XLR to Input Sub2 Power cable from Sub2 to Portable Power or wall. In the near future I'm planning on demonstrating the system outside and will focus on connections.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks bro for the info.
@@rotzenALFZ1970 Glad I could help.
How you connect the subwoofer to the s1? And still using bluetooth connection.
Run the subwoofer from the 1/4" output of the S1 Pro. Use 1/4" Trs cable to sub. If you run through the sub first, you will lose Bluetooth connection.
Can you review a 2x S1 Pro and 2x Sub2 setup? Interested in the Cardioid Mode..
Have you seen this video?czcams.com/video/6ktsUIFw7ug/video.html I have never tried Cardioid Mode but Bose has a tutorial on CZcams czcams.com/video/kQ4Pon0DLcs/video.html
I don't have 2 Sub2s. It would be overkill. The S1Pros will clip way before 2Sub2s would make a difference.
Common question: Would you recommend to use the Bose Sub2 with 2 S1pro's or the Sub1?
Yes and No
Yes if you don't mind the very large difference in size, weight, and money. If you are a musician who plays bass or drums through the Sub2 the extra lows 37Hz of the Sub2 is very noticeable. Also if you are playing back heavy bass EDM/Hip hop type tracks. Have you seen this video? czcams.com/video/gldnIZV7hjA/video.html
One plus I have found, if you want to run either on external power, the Sub2 doesn't require more power. I run either easily on a 600 watt Ecoflow Pro.
On the other hand even with my Pro32 I never play the Sub2 over 11:00 because anything higher starts to overpower and muddy up the column. I do like to have that extra power in reserve for future larger gigs - especially outside!
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Am achzitionat 2 Bose S1PRO si un Bose SUB2. pentru gradina intr un foisor si - DA este ce trebuie ... sunt multumit la un volum de MAXIM - 70 % ...Cuplate stereo prin aplicatia BOSE si subwoofarul sub2 primeste semnal prin cablu {XLR - TRS /JACK 6,3} din S1 PRO NR.1{MASTER}...
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What cable you use to connect the s1 and the sub1?
Don't use a 1/4" TS guitar cable, you will lose 6dB output! Use a Balanced TRS 1/4" to 1/4"TRS or I like 1/4" TRS from the S1Pro to male XLR to the Sub1. I feel XLR is a more secure connection.
would 2 LD Maui 28 G3 better then two s1 pro+ with sub2, this is for mostly karaoke and techno,EDM use
Two very different systems! A pair of Maui28's will cover 200-300 people at 127dB+! Pair of Bose S1 Pros 50-75 people max at 103dB+. Huge volume difference! You're on the right track with the Bose Sub2 for techno/EDM! Let me know more information and I can give you a few other suggestions.
I've been wondering about 1x Soundboks Gen 3 with a Diamondboxx Sub8.2 for true battery-only power. Do you have any thoughts on that? Granted, it wouldn't be stereo, but I'd rather not go above the $2,500 budget you mentioned with your micro system. Unfortunately, w/1x Soundboks Gen 3 ($1,000) and 1x Diamondboxx Sub8.2 ($1,000), I'd still be looking at $2,000 before taxes. Imagine that portability though. It would basically be the Soundboks backpack, holding the Diamondboxx Sub8.2 in one hand, and another small bag for microphones, extra battery for the SBG3, power adapter for the DBS8.2 (if the battery dies during that day) and a large tablet for karaoke. Sounds pretty appealing, considering the sound that would come out of both of those products.
Really depends on your application, indoors or outside, crowd size. Do you really need the 126dB max volume of the Soundbox's? What type of music do you play? EDM/Electronic music would need even more bass. Karaoke really doesn't need a subwoofer, most invest in a better main speaker. That setup Soundbox's/Diamondboxx would be great! A few suggestions: For Karaoke the JBL EON One MK2 would have a better Hi-fi sound especially for vocals. JBL has a 120 degree throw which would fill a room much better. At $1,200 you will save some money, and much easier to carry. It will not be as loud, bass will be close to the Diamondbox, not sure. Another option: Mackie Thump Go $450, Behringer B1200 sub $350, Grant Maya portable power station on Amazon to run sub $158. Soundbox's will be louder but Behringer sub is 12"/500 watts will outperform the Diamondboxx. Heads up- Diamondbox doesn't have a user replaceable battery. Figure 4 years and you will need a new battery! Another system: QSC CP8, Behringer sub, EcoFlow Pro battery $580 You would need the more powerful battery because the CP8 is A/C only. CP8 doesn't have reverb but will sound much better than Soundboks and just as loud. Last - Bose Pro8 $1,300 run on the EcoFlow battery, 180 degree throw, best in PA world, great bass, excellent vocals. EV 30m $1,500 also incredible.
All great choices! czcams.com/video/U5nIoJjz1_g/video.html
Hi Sir, please help me to decide, and I need to know what are the difference between these 2 set up. I need you opinion very badly, i am comparing between these 2. L1 16 vs. S1 Pro + and Sub 2? TIA! Take care
Depends on size of audience, type of music played. Pro 16 will be much, much louder! S1 Pro is only good up to 50 people. Pro 16 100 people. Pro 16 will throw sound at a much greater distance with full 180 degree sound. S1 pro is 120 degrees. Pro 16 will sound much better with better mids and high end. Sub2 is twice the bass of the Pro 16. S1 Pro really can't keep up with the Sub2. S1 Pro is great for busking/small events with battery power. I would get the Pro 16 and latter if you need more bass add the Sub2. Better yet, save up for the Pro32/Sub2 and you will never have to question if you made the right decision :)
@@WWeiss-nv5vz very well said, from the expert. Thank you very much Sir, much appreciated.
How did you battery power the Sub 2, and is the batter you used enough to power the entire L1 Pro 32 System?
Yes it powered the Sub2 and the Pro 32 at the same time. I just bought a watt meter and will test how many watts max it pulls. I don't know how long it would last. Have you seen this video? czcams.com/video/ZF34j96iBZw/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Very cool! I’d love to know how long the system will run on that Expert Power 400 if you find out. I’m a sax player and DJ. All my equipment is battery powered except for the Pro 32. Would love to figure that out.
@@HoustonSaxDJ Bought Expert Power a number of years ago. For about $100 more today you can get a much more powerful unit. The extra power would make me more comfortable for max volume playing bass heavy tracks. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098LV9KT9/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A30W1K3SY6GER3&th=1 Whatever you do make sure the external power unit is Pure Sine Wave. The rule is the louder you play the shorter the play time will be. One DJ reported on the web 1.5 hours with the Sub2. Probably 90-100+dB?? When I was playing the Pro32/Sub2 w/Expert Power it would have gone 4-5 hours at medium volume. Sax is a loud instrument I believe, 100+db peaks?
What about 2x l1 compact as front home theater speakers? Someone told me it has great match for home use
That would sound great!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Don’t you think satellites are too tall for home use? I believe they are fix size.
@@lenso010 L1 Compact probably too tall, looking out of place in a home, but a pair of Bose S1 Pros are small and can fill the largest indoor spaces!
I want the sub for my pros also thanks for the video
You will be amazed by the difference!
Very good video. I have a pair of S1 Pro Speakers and would like to add either a S1 sub or S2. With the system on full power how long will the power station last for either sub?
Glad you liked the video. The battery I use has five indicator lights. It went down one light in one hour so figure 5 hours max. The rule is the louder you play the faster the battery depletes. Full power maybe 3 hours?? Not sure I never played that long. The unit I have is 400 watts. If I had to do it again I would go for 500-600 watts. The Sub1 draws a lot of watts at max volume playing heavy bass content. I'm talking over 100dB. compared to my EV EXL200- 12sp. At normal volumes say below 90dB I have had no issues with either the Sub1or Sub2 on external 400 watt battery.
Thank you for the info that really helps. Can you tell exactly the type of cable I need to connect the S1 Pro to the sub and what is the best quality cable brand if it makes a difference in sound? Thanks
@@darrenklein8358 There are two ways to connect the S1 Pro to a Sub. One way is to run your source into the sub first and then from the sub out to the S1Pros. You will need 5 cables. Most people doing this use a mixer. This will give you more headroom and clarity before clipping from the S1Pros. Unfortunately this way you loose the Bluetooth capability of the S1Pros. If you want to keep Bluetooth you only need one cable! The best cable is Mogami. Expensive Pro cable found in studios/Lifetime warranty. I use highly rated cables from Amazon. Only $20 for 15 feet. If you can hear a difference you should work in a studio! :) Tell me which way you want to go and I'll tell you the exact cables needed. Personally I will not give up Bluetooth. I like the ability to walk around and not be hard wired to a mixer. Any type of DJ work, Bluetooth is not recommended.
I need to stay in Bluetooth mode so the cable for connecting that way. I play at tailgates and need to play as loud as possible. Do I lose fidelity on my S1 Pro speakers by hooking up the S2 sub this way in Bluetooth mode? If you could tell me the best quality chord to use and type would be greatly appreciated. Also knowing I’d be play wide open for up to 8 hours how big of a power station do I need to run all three for that long? Thanks
@@darrenklein8358 No, you not lose any fidelity hooking up a sub. For outdoor parties definitely the Sub2 over the Sub1. Cable 1/4" TRS from Line Out of BoseS1Pro to male XLR into Sub2. 8 hours wide open you need a strong battery. The battery will only be powering the Sub2 since S1Pros have their own internal batteries. Keep in mind I have never tried these batteries or these battery companies. Place the Sub2 between the S1 Pros, that's why I am thinking 15 foot cable. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002E290I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A14IIJ8CA334LK&th=1 battery:www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08TWDLWR7/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AVQVNAOQGUU80&th=1 600 watt battery, make sure you get a Pure Sine Wave Battery to run Bose www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09HHFFL7L/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A29EHTGEIKE8YR&th=1
What do you think will sound better 2 Bose S1Pro and Bose Sub1 or Sub2 or 2 Bose S1Pro and Bose F1 Sub? Thanks for the answer, great video 👍
Glad you liked the video. The F1 Sub is not a good match for the S1Pros. Both the Sub1 and Sub2 have a high frequency setting that matches up with S1Pros for maximum volume and clarity. Plus in the future if you go for the Pro32 you will have the matching sub. Sub1 is the perfect match for the S1Pros. I never go over 1:00 on the gain so plenty of headroom. I would only go for the Sub2 if you don't mind the huge size/ weight/extra cost. Playing the Sub2 with S1Pros I have to turn it down to 10:00 to blend properly. The other reasons to go with the Sub2 is you plan on using it in a band situation where a bass player might play through it or drums. I play drums and the 37Hz of the Sub2 vs 40Hz of the Sub1 makes a big difference with the kick drum. Also if you are DJing with rap/hip hop or synth music that extra low end is worth the extra $$$. Using a mixer with a pair of S1Pros also makes a huge difference in headroom.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thank you for the answer👍I have 2 S1 Pro and what would you advise me to take Sub1 or Sub2? I am a vocalist, I sing more, I play the accordion, for live sound I will use it for parties and discos, also from 50-100 people in various small and medium-sized rooms. Which do you think is better for Sub1 or Sub2?I will use them with a mixer, connect microphones for singing.
@@michaelbrasoveanu88 For your application vocals, accordion Sub1 is perfect. Parties/Disco/medium size room/100 people you need the Sub2 for dancing. You can always turn it down to 10:00 - 11:00 for your vocal/accordion gig.
would two Sub1 better than one Sub2? could you do cardoid with a sub1 on the bottom and sub2 on top?
nope. nope
@@armgod1 I called Bose. They said I could do cardioid with a sub1 and a sub2
Hey W. Weiss! I saw some of your videos and they are excellent! I was wondering if you could give me some advice on my following thoughts. I'm planning to create a boiler room setting. In case you are not familiar with that, it means that the DJ is in the middle of the room and it creates a more intimate setting. Where I'm living the Pro8 is half the price of the Pro16, so I figured, why don't I buy 4x Pro8's to put in each corner and create a more immersive surround sound experience and then (if needed) I place a Sub2 under the DJ table (since the music I play is mostly Deep House, Tech House and Techno and probably need the extra bass). What do you think about this setup, do you think it will create enough bass for the whole area (considering that it will be smaller settings like backyards). Or do you think this will create too much bass in comparison what those 4x Pro8's can produce in sense of treble? I'm curious about your thoughts. Many thanks in advance! 😊🙏🏼
4 Pro 8's is not a set up I would use. You might have issues with cancellations unless each speaker is at least 15 feet apart. Bose is famous for their 180 degree immersive sound, 4 speakers might actually ruin the affect. You didn't mention how many people you will be playing to? Pro8's bass will NOT be sufficient for that type of music, especially outside! Pro8 only goes down to 45Hz. Real subwoofer performance starts/kicks at 40Hz and below. Multiple Pro8's bass will be a little louder if at all, but not lower! I suggest for a similar price get a single Pro32/Sub2. Put in the middle of a medium size room it will fill every inch! Pro32 has a longer throw, less stage volume, and higher output and clarity at high volume than multiple Pro8's. If anything you might need a second Sub2 or a 18 inch sub! Sub2 goes down to 37Hz, which really punches! If you are doing this to save money, I think you are making a mistake.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz many thanks for your reply! I understand your point. If you have people standing in front of the 32, then won’t they block most of the highs and mids by blocking it with their body? I always learned to put the highs and mids as high as possible and seeing the Pro8’s having that then what is the point of the other 16-24 speakers (in the 32’s)? Would it make more sense to just add extra Sub2’s for more bass? Even adding 2? Or maybe going for 2x 16’s with another Sub2? Please let me know your thought. 😊🙏🏼
@@enso.nauvoox Bodies blocking the mids and highs, the answer is NO.
By accident, I was playing the Pro32 at high volume and I bent down and my ear was only a couple of inches from the column. I was shocked, it wasn't that loud! It's the Bose Magic! 32 small drivers pointing in different directions doesn't project sound too loud in any one direction. People report the volume on stage or in the front row, is the same as people in the back of the room. Pro 8 will definitely not match this performance. Pro 16 will be better but 16 drivers doesn't have the same affect as 32, meaning it might be too loud for the people right on top of the speaker. Pro8 will be even louder for people up front or right next to it.
I never heard dual pro16's but the bass of the Pro 16 only equals the Sub1 and doesn't go down to 37Hz or have the output of the Sub2. If you do need two Sub2's make sure to stack them or couple them side by side to get an extra 6db boost.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thank you for your advice. Today I pulled the trigger and ordered 2x Pro16, since I do want to create stereo sound and 2x Pro32 is price wise too much for me (a pair costs $9k here in Asia and 2x Pro16 is $5k). I did put a Sub2 next to the Pro16 to test and it sounded great, so I can always add that in case I need more bass. Additionally I don’t like the exposed mixer in the Pro32 foot, imagine someone spilling. 😇🙏🏼
Many thanks again! Let’s see how it goes. 🙌🏼
@@enso.nauvoox 2 Pro16's will be awesome! Spread them out 15-20 feet apart to prevent cancellations.
If you are able, open up/test the Pro16's in the shop. People report it is hit or miss, many units hiss while others are silent out of the box.
I’m strongly debating on getting a sub 2 for my dad. He has a S1 pro and it lacks in the bass department. I just feel like the Sub 2 might be overkill. He would mostly use it as a home music system. Some backyard parties at most. Decisions decisions.
First of all you're a good son! If your dad is anything like me, heavy rock, synth music, pipe organ/symphony orchestra, and even home theatre, then if price and size is not a factor - Sub2 will be the ultimate experience! It goes down to 37Hz vs. 40Hz for the Sub1 and of course it will play twice as loud at those frequencies. I never play it over 11:00 gain in the home so it has an incredible amount of reserve power. For all other purposes or music styles the Sub1 is a better match with the S1Pro. Sub1 is the best small sub on the market! Another video on the subject: czcams.com/video/nPjECZgscLs/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz you’ve done it! You talked me into the sub 2. Might as well go all in. Too bad they’re not in stock until December. Thanks for the informative quick response by the way.
@@oregonusmc Happy I could help. A decision you will never regret! Make sure you measure, the Sub2 is a beast. Of course if $$$ is not an issue and a seven foot column is not out of place in the home then the Pro32/Sub2 will bring you front row seats at live levels in the comfort of your home. That's what I have in my living room and it fills every inch of the home. If that's not an option, a second S1 Pro with the Sub2 also makes a great improvement. All good options! Let me know which way you go.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Ok, so I just ordered the Sub 2 along with the pole. The pole will not make it by christmas unfortunately. I got a question for you, what cable will I need to connect the sub to the s1 Pro? Also, I am seeing some suggestions online stating that I should also use a mixer? What are your thoughts?
@@oregonusmc Depends on what you want to do? Using a mixer you will need three cables minimum. I use Bluetooth, one cable only and you can walk out to 30 feet and control your music. From the S1 Pro use a 1/4" TRS cable from the Line Out to 1/4" into Line In 1 on the Sub2. Make sure the cable is TRS, not your standard guitar cable which is TS. TRS is a balanced cable. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SQ2KSR3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_14?smid=AM9PTY8VGDWNS&psc=1 Sub 2 integrates best at 10:00 -11:00 on the gain control of the Sub2. If you bought the Bose Sub Pole maybe you can cancel the order. Overpriced, Guitar Center has a better choice at less money, let me know if want the link. Hope you got the Sub2 before the price increase.
Which generator do you use?
Expert Power 400 www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CYMCLDN?pf_rd_r=G87S6BFRAHSJA2H2MA7D&pf_rd_p=8fe9b1d0-f378-4356-8bb8-cada7525eadd&pd_rd_r=6329f980-3c60-4edf-9a70-147ab43bcea9&pd_rd_w=mBQVl&pd_rd_wg=yR26A&ref_=pd_gw_unk&th=1 If I had to do it again I would look for something with 500+ watts. On two separate occasions my Sub1 shut down playing very heavy bass content at max volume. It was probably the internal protection of the Sub1 kicking in. At normal volumes have never had a problem.
does the s1 pro work while charging
Yes
Hi Bill! Thanks for the demo, and for sharing over in FB. I'm curious why you went this route instead of a typical complete system from the Pro line. A Pro32 with "just" the sub1 is only a couple hundred more (w/ sub2, $3,098). You're not getting anywhere near the higher-frequency dispersion and throw from the lovely S1s as you would with one of those, and it seems like the monster sub would be out of balance with the S1s too. Obviously this fits your goals though, so enjoy!
cpfwriter thanks for asking. I did get the Pro32 system that's why I have the Sub2. I can't agree more the Pro32 is incredible! What I love about this S1Pro system is the feather weight 15 pound speakers and the fact that with two speakers you get true stereo sound. Believe it or not even a $3,098 mono speaker with 180 degree dispersion can still be localized as one sound source. In the home audiophile world the goal is to make the speakers disappear and get the illusion the sound is coming from everywhere. The Sub2 is a monster! But I don't feel it is out of balance with the S1Pro pair. Again I backed off the gain on the Sub2 to only 10:30 and they blended beautifully. You are right, at only12:00 the lows were overpowering. Then again I like my bass to punch, I don't think the Sub1 gives you that feeling from what I have read, and the 37HZ low end extension of the Sub2 can't be matched by the Sub1. Unfortunately the 52 pound weight of the Sub2 will discourage me from taking it to quick gigs. Looks like a Sub1 is in my future to keep this system as portable as possible.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Wow Bill, thanks for taking the time to share all that detail! Really appreciate it. This clearly fits some very specific needs and frankly after puzzling over the Bose promos with that sub/S1 combo, it's great to see how it works for someone in the real world. Thank you!
Some things I forgot to mention: This system would make a very clean indoor wedding DJ system for 100 people or less. Again the Soundboks 3's are big ugly boxes with tennis balls at each corner. Might sound great but not very attractive. Did some more research. The S1 Pro has a max SPL of 109 dB, so a pair is 115 dB max.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz do you recommend using two S1 pro’s for busking instead of just one? I have a deep singing voice and want to utilize its low end without it fighting over the acoustic guitar frequencies when they clash. I cannot afford a subwoofer but is the low end of the S1 pro good enough for a baritone vocal/acoustic guitar combo?
@@MrSeeker42 No, two S1Pros will add headroom and clarity past 95dB. I don't think you need that kind of volume. Plus who wants to carry more gear for busking? S1Pro is known for excellent acoustic guitar and vocal performance, professional quality! Check out all the reviews on the Acoustic Guitar Forum. For its' size it does go down fairly low and should handle your low notes. Saving up for any small subwoofer should make a difference but I'm not sure because I am not a vocalist.
How did you power your system
Bose S1 Pros are self battery powered so all you need is an external battery source for the Bose Sub2. I use ECO Flow Pro 600 watts, Pure Sine Wave. Plenty of extra power to also power a mixer if that is the way you want to go. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08T1KY8SG/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=AH59O987TZWZR&psc=1
What app do you use
Bose Connect App
How does the sub on the prx one compare to the sub2? Is it close?
Yes close. Sub2 goes lower to a true 37Hz. JBL claims similar numbers but the larger enclosure of the Sub2 is the real deal for low end according to physics. To me the Sub2 has a smooth Hifi sounding bass. The bass of the PRX is more punchy like your traditional PA sub. A huge difference for me is the fact that the Sub2 has a separate gain control. For different tracks I can quickly raise or lower the gain from the outside of the unit without menu diving. PRX is very impressive, getting great reviews. If you want the best performance, Sub2 with quality tops is on another level. Have you considered the Bose F1 system? The F1 sub is slightly louder and punchier than the Sub2.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz how is that possible? The f1 sub is 2, 10” drivers.
Good question? Specs say Sub2 128dB max, F1 129dB. Very close but they have a different sound for sure. I guess you have to hear them yourself to decide which sound you prefer. I have never heard them side by side, but I do love my Sub2! RCF 705 is also a 15" sub you should consider. QSC KS112 the same. All great choices. EV50, Bose Pro16, JBL PRX One, RCF J8 many different opinions which is the best??
@@WWeiss-nv5vz sooooo tough to decide!!!! Can’t remember if I mentioned this yet, but curiosity was killing me so I purchased two PRX ones and set them up in a 15 x 15 room in my house with high ceiling. They sound absolutely incredible, but compared to what? I can’t go out buying super expensive systems right and left, so I am tempted to return these and try out a sub2 with a couple of really quality loudspeakers. I am super impressed with the way these column speakers disbursed the sound. And at reasonable volume, they really do sound way more high-fi than most of the loud speakers I have ever listened to. But once I try to push them, I don’t know. I might get better sound at louder volume using a different system. If I had an unlimited income, I would love to try out keeping both of these prxz ones at about quarter stage on either side, with a sub two in the middle. And then of course a couple of really good loudspeakers stage right and left. Keeping all speakers at lower volumes and mixing them well would produce an amazingly full sound I think. But I’d have to be rich to do that. And I am not rich.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I’ve also entertained the idea of just purchasing a sub two and setting it in the middle, keeping both of these prxz ones on the outside. But I think that would be base overkill. Not sure these Colin speakers could round out that much base. What do you think?
Hi would 2 s1 pros and 2 sub 1 sound better than 2 l1 pro 8s
The bass would be much better with 2 sub1s but the 2 Pro8s would be louder and better high end, your call. If you can handle the weight/bulk 1 Sub2 outperforms 2 Sub1s and it is less expensive. To make things even more confusing 1 Pro8 with 1 Sub1? I have never heard that combination. If you can give me some more information I might be able to give a better suggestion. What type of music do you play, audience how many people, indoors or outdoors, do you need battery operation?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz i play urban music and parties of 200max and would be outdoors and indoors
@@nyoandricky I don't think S1 Pros will work for you. Maybe 150 max indoors, 100 outdoors. Go with the Pro32/Sub1 system for $2,700. Huge step up! Can add second Sub1 down the road. Check out this video for more choices czcams.com/video/JVRUTuo-Tng/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks for your recommendation i went with the pro32 w/sub 2 and all i can say is Holy Sh!!!!!! It is amazing it sounds better than expected
@@nyoandricky Told you! Worth every penny. Enjoy
I think BOSE intended for the source into the Sub first then cable from sub into S1 pro. You can then then activate auto crossover function, this dramatically improves bass clarity and sound quality as there is no muddy duplication in the 100 to 200hz range. Please see czcams.com/video/kQ4Pon0DLcs/video.html at 2:00min
But does anybody know how to get back bluetooth in this config? Maybe BOSE can update firmware to use S1 bluetooth as input down to sub, and then cable back up to S1 using auto cross over....please let me know
I know I'm sacrificing some sound quality, but in a micro system such as this Bluetooth is what I'm looking for. The ability to walk around with a phone without being tethered to a mixer or cable is my goal.
If you want to save money, instead of getting a second S1Pro you can get a Mackie Thump Go which is actually louder with a crisper high end than the S1Pro. Downside, both need to be played in Mono so stereo pairing will not be possible. Check out this video: czcams.com/video/G_0wnrW8UpA/video.html
Bose S1 Pro just went up in price - was $599 now $649
Forgot to mention the fact that the Expert Power, power station has three AC outlets. This is critical for other devices like a mixer. The Jackery 500 which is more powerful at 500 watts has only one AC input. Deal Breaker for me!
Another important advantage of the Bose S1 Pro: It has a dispersion of 120 degrees. A typical point and shoot 12 inch speaker covers only 75 degrees. My best speaker the QSC K8.2 has only 105 degrees. What this means is that the Bose will cover a larger audience space, especially with one speaker.
You mean that it will cover a wider audience space. Not a larger one. The K8.2 is much louder, and will cover a much bigger area, just not a wider area.
@@bennettshapiro7711 Thanks for the correction.
is the 15 degree difference noticeable?
@@deehive that depends on how they are being used. If you’re using a single speaker trying to cover a wide area, then you may notice the difference. But if you’re a single speaker say coming out of the corner of a room, as we are so often asked to do, you don’t really notice the difference. Both speakers cover about equally well.
@@deehive Probably not much, but if you are gigging every bit of coverage matters.
DEMO 4:09
FYI, the decibel meter should be in C mode, not A.
Thank you, someone else told me that but this meter muster be broken it won't switch to C
The advantage of using two S1 Pros: For mid-high frequencies we get +3dB every time we double the number of drivers. One S1Pro max output is109dB, two S1Pros 112dB max SPL output.
Yes, in theory, but reality there is compression, both heat and frequency dependent, that will effect actual output. Ratings by MFG are mostly theoretical and used for advertising. Also, I'm a former BOSE technician and I know how they electronically limit output in specific frequencies and ranges to give you the impression of it playing lower and louder than it actually is.
@@fidstang believe also all amps have efficiently % too which they never tell you/us in a manual so it will work never at 99% more i saw decent brand said 89% eye opener plus again limit it for the drivers
For the same price as the Bose Sub2, why wouldn’t you just get the Bose F1 sub?
F1 goes louder by a few dB but the Sub2 goes down lower to 37Hz, different sound. I got my Sub2 as part of a package with the Pro32. Sub2 also has a HPF setting especially set up to match the S1Pro. I agree for those getting a stand alone sub it is a choice they need to make especially since they are the same price.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz the F1 subs are serious powerhouses. And 37hz is only 3hz lower than the F1’s 40hz. The F1 more than makes that up in sheer power.
@@bennettshapiro7711 Have you heard them both? I have not heard them side by side. Some have commented the Sub2 is more controlled or Hifi where the F1 is more punchy. Sub2 max SPL 128dB, F1 130dB Is that 2dB difference so noticeable?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I agree 100% that the F1 is more punchy. It just seems to have a little more impact. It feels better to me. But maybe that’s just me.
What did you video this with?? Lol
My latest technology camera system - iPad mini:) All $$$ goes for PA equipment.
If you want the best micro system.
BOSE SUB2 + TURBOSOUND IP300
BEATS OUT THE EVOLVE 50s for roughly the same price.
Did you mean the iP3000 or iP300?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz ip300. I have 4. I use with the Bose sub 2. I used to use them with the Bose F1 subwoofer but it didn't have a pole mount
If you compare the price of the Bose s1 pro to a turbo sound ip300 there's a $200 price difference and you can get way more decibels out of the IP 300 then you can the Bose.
I believe the s1 pro is rated at 80 Watts versus the ip300 is rated at 600 watts 300 watts rms. Way better top speaker for the sub 2.
For right around $1600 you can't find another Column array with that type of output.
Sub 2 1000 watts @129db
Ip 300 600 watts @122db
Sub 2 - $1199
Ip300 - $399
Total - $1598
Same price as Evolve 50 on sale right now at guitar center for $1599.
I have two events this weekend Friday and Saturday I will try to get some footage up on my channel so you guys can see my ensemble
@@DJBpartyTV Thank you, I will look into the iP300. I heard some negatives about their customer service. Someone wrote they don't answer their calls?
Price drop Bose S1 Pro $500!
Well I buy one .there not loud to cover 100 people with vocals. And there made in china. & the cheapest speakers u can buy in china
Save your money. Just buy a JBL LSR310S - $300. Done
Almost agree with you. I have a 10 inch KRK 10s sub which is very similar to the the JBL LSR310. They both max out at 113dB. They sound great unless you push them close to their max. The Bose Sub1 at max 124db gives you twice the power. That's the difference between a live sub and a studio sub. If you play at reasonable volumes say 90dB and below the JBL is an incredible deal at $300!