London Transport Loughton Garage Leyland Nationals 1986
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- A look at the last days of Loughton Garage. By 1986 it had lost its Tiatn allocation (they had them a whole 9 months!) and was an all LS shed. Filmed in April, a few weeks before the end in May 1986 we see red LS's and the odd London Country SNB on route 502 to Harlow. Enjoy the thrash of original Leyland National engines complete with blue smoke! If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
WOW. That takes me back in time, like to the late 1970's.
I used to work at the Esso petrol station, before it was rebuilt.
It used to be a Citroen dealership, showroom and workshops named Stagar Garages. Stagar being an acronym of Stadium Garage, our parent garage, based very close to the Walthamstow Stadium.
Between our workshops and the bus garage was the Plume of Feathers pub, which we used to visit occasionally. And it's still there, unlike the bus garage.
We used to go to the Cafe directly opposite us, and and get what was the best breakfast ever, for very little money. Those where the days.
I love the sound of old heavy diesels, they were real engines, such a shame that we lost our bus and truck industries, oh the memories 😁
Nationals had a scream all their own.... plus lots of blue smoke! But great buses, i quite liked riding on them.....
Best looking bus ever.
What a great sound they were ! loved em
Keep an eye out on my uploads. I'm planning to put up some shots of Stratford in 1989/90 time, lots of Nationals & Titans.....
I drove these for about 16yrs. The best three words in the english language are ,"take the leyland". I still miss them now
Loughton ended up an all LS shed but i remember they had Titan's for about 9 months! When i was a child i remember the RTs on the 20A & 205 with MB's on the 20 and SMS's on the 167 and 254. Later on DMS's arrived and replaced everything apart from the 254 which had Nationals (low bridge on route), happy days....
Great to see a bit of old Loughton.
Oh what memories, I drove Nationals from 74 to 90 when they shut Dorking garage,What a beautiful evocative sound,some would say noise!!
At first we used them for the Greenlines, I drove the712,713 and 714, to Luton, Dunstable and St Albans strait though the middle of London.
The steering was so light, you could fling them about but we had a lot of problems in wet with the early ones, as the front would lock up as easy as anything and you were just a passenger, they cured with the second series.
The heating/ventilation system was a joke as it drew stale up into the pod at the back and blew it down vents on either side of the ceiling and as hot air rises, in cold weather the heat never got below your waist,the other daft thing was as you could smoke in the back section and if some one lit up under the inducting fan you instantly could smell it throughout the bus,it didn't smell like cigarettes it was kind of sweet,One day when I was returning to Dorking on the 714 and approaching South Mims I smelt a funny smell, when I stopped a lady walked down from the back to a bag in the luggage area on top the n/s front wheel and got a pot of talcum powder,SHE HAD BEEN CHANGING A BABIES NAPPY, Ofcource the with the talc the bus was instantly sweat smelling again.
Happy days on the buses. Keep an eye out on my channel as i have another Leyland Nat vid to upload, and it starts with a SNB at Epping Station! I have driven Nationals as garage inside staff plus my mate has an Eastern national Leyland National, one of the long ones and no auto on it. Great fun to drive along with an SNB he has.....
This is a such cool video for so many reason. I am a great fan of Leyland Nationals but it is also so nice to see all the great cars that I miss to. Many thanks for this vide.
Thanks for that. I have a soft spot for Nationals, a friend of mine has a couple and they are fun to drive. There will be more bus uploads including Nationals, some LCBS ones are here czcams.com/video/a-AFE5irz9c/video.html while some MkII's are on here czcams.com/video/pIxVBpKlVV4/video.html, happy viewing!
Love this video! Although I haven't driven the LT LS's, I've driven loads of various shades of green SNB's as a driver at St Albans garage from 1989. The sounds bring back so many memories. I'd love to drive one again but alas for me at the moment it's endless TE's and TEH's at Metroline's Edgware garage. Maybe time to invest in shares in one. Now there's a thought!
I used to drive them, Great solid, Sturdy fricckin tank of a bus let down by the woeful, Gutless, Smoky, Whiney Leyland 510 dog of an engine! Stick a DAF or Volvo lump in them and they were golden and went like stink and sounded great! I should know, Drove for Red bus in North devon! Had 510's, DAF and Volvo converted one's, Nationals look so cool and retro with there big external rivets and rear roof pods 👌
Thanks for your memories..... They seem to go well enough around London but i imagine Devon is a totaly different driving experience!
They look so wrong without the pod. It is an essential part of the bus shape.
@@jamesfrench7299 Agreed mate! 👌
Sheer Heaven!!! Boy they were starting to look worst for wear already by then. Intensive London conditions for you.
This was filmed at the same time my area here in Sydney was losing their 10.9m examples to the tropics of Queensland. I'm making a model of the very last one I saw in 1986 with Deanes Coaches, a small private operator who purchased 8 unsold 1976 Australian assembled 10.9m units in 1978/79.
I also have 8 LS EFE models in my collection 5 regular LSs, one Red Arrow National II LS and two 1973 trial batch ones with the white roof.
Thus is the sort of footage I have been waiting half my life for. Visited London briefly in 1999 and only got to ride a Red Arrow Greenway with ZF transmission. Hated them at the time, but now nostalgic for them.
I'm pleased you like it. A friend of mine owns a couple of London Country Nationals and an Eastern National 11m one. Great fun to drive! I will have to get up my film with MkII Nationals in them, not rebuilds but as built condition!
Soi Buakhao oh boy *kid in candy store* yes please.
That's my next upload then, MkII National, DMS's, Routemasters and perhaps an H class for good measure! Maybe i'll get stuck into it tomorrow.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus have you seen this montage showing them as pups?
czcams.com/video/ho3UezkhRcA/video.html
Wonderfully evocative for me, watching and riding on Ribble then North Western Nationals when I was a kid. They weren't half noisy.
You may well have ridden on an ex London one as North Western had a few as well as some ex London Country ones.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I didn't know that. I know they were all single-door round here but could have been converted.
@@superbracey I've seen the London Country ones in Liverpool, ex SNB's and they were built single door.
Cracking footage, Soi. I seem to spend half my life in Loughton these days - you can't move for Range Rovers. I remember it from RT/RF times though. Thanks for reminding me where the garage was- you'd never know now.
My pleasure....I used to ride out to Epping with my grandmother as a small child, i remember getting Routemaster on the 101 to Wanstead and then a Loughton RT on the 20A to Woodford and changing on to a LOughton MB on the 20. Sitting outside the garage to crew change you might see an RT on the 217A on a garage working as well! Strange to think the original garage still stands but the new one has gone!
Big 4x4s have taken the place of buses in a lot of areas, and yet you can't catch them. Maybe they should provide a passenger service?
Simply superb
Thank you Peter. Have you seen my latest bus upload? Hornchurch Titans & Nationals on their last day czcams.com/video/DUDlPgwxaGc/video.html. I was in PB recently and have been adding to my film stock for uploads. We Spoons bashing to St Ives and also filmed the local buses including the guided busway, very interesting!
Wow this brings me back -- I worked in Debden at RANK - use to get the 250 from the Abbey to Loughton Garage then walk or get the tube from Loughton Station. In 87 we had the hurricane I still made it in from the Abbey -- No buses, no trains - biked to work - got a day off and one in extra day for turning up. Days gone..~trooper
Yes, we just seemed to get on with what life threw at us then rather than look to see who to blame for things
Gotta love the Sound the Nationals Made! I've Driven a "Regular National "& the Refurbished ones at Hounslow..nice , but,they lost that great National Growl! Thanks for uploading!👍🏻
I like the 'real' Nationals, they have a nice bit of thrash about them.
I work the LS on S2 276 108 in London
Amazing video i was 7 years old when u filmed this & i used 2 go on the Leyland National all the time where I live in the North East The Leyland National is my favourite Bus EVER & the Leyland National makes the greatest sound EVER & i have 40 model buses 9 of them r Leyland Nationals
A friend of mine shares your view, he has a couple of real Nationals, one Eastern National and the other London Country. I have more vids with Nationals on and will get some more up in time.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus that's really cool
I used to work in that Texas store - brings back unhappy memories!
That was the originalLoughton bus garage! And it still stands unlike its replacement sadly.....
Yep, I remember these too. In fact I may have travelled on some of these very buses back in the day as some of these must have come from Romford North Street before they headed to Loughton - NS used to run them on route 250 (the original version that linked Romford Station and the market with Epping and surrounding areas, originally with RFs and later with small Bristols before Nationals were brought in) and the 247B before both were killed off by a funding removal by ECC. Often used to pick them up at the Collier Row roundabout in front of Tescos travelling home from late lessons for my Comp Sci A level.
I seem to recall Loughton's Nationals as quite a motley bunch of vehicles, LT seeing the place as a sort of Siberia! They did have the last MkI National there, LS 437 until the end. I was there the night it closed and watched all the last vehicles in and get serviced then stored. I also remember the BL's on the 250 and rode on them once or twice out from Romford to Epping and Theydon Bois.
Great stuff. Thank you.
My pleasure.....
cant see any of these buses back soon as anything with an engine seems frowned upon in london lol
I know, the political class seem to think that a mega-city with 10 million+ population isn';t going to make any mess or pollution and people & goods can travel on fresh air!
One of my favorite streets, sawaadee kap.
I don't know that one, is that in Thailand somewhere?.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus it's in Pattaya, been going there the best part of twenty years.
Brings bad memories ❤
Great video great buses
Thank you. I have more National bids to upload in the future.....
That should read 'vids' not bids!!!!! Blasted mobile phone keypad!
Leyland National symphony orchestra👍👍👍👍👍👍
Absolutely loved these.
The London ones were fully automatic and I grew up on automatic Nationals in Cardiff.
So I always went bashing these on my London trips.
I miss them enormously now.
CMT Buses in Liverpool had loads of Nationals including some of my beloved Cardiff Bus ones.
Do you have any vids of CMT
or old 80s footage of Cardiff Buses?
Another top video here very deserving of my thumbs up
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nothing from Cardiff i'm afraid. However i'm planning another London bus upload soon with Titan's & Nationals at Stratford in 1989/90 time-keep an eye out!
I've never come across a fully auto one. I bet they vibrated a lot. Auto boxes always did.
Haha - yes :)
More observations from this video: nice TR7 convertible there6:09, Audi Quattro parked awkwardly on the corner8:34, Austin Ambassador8:40, they're less common than a Lamborghini Miura these days, and an early, but it seems prized, Lada there8:57😀 And the VW Golf following the bus at9:05, not particularly uncommon in itself but the numberplate SSS 111 must be worth, even then, considerably more than the car 🤔
Used to travel on these as a teenager. Then had a job reconditioning the fuel injection pumps for Kingswinford fuel injection ltd. Great to travel on these buses and also knowing I had a small part to play in keeping them running.
Brian Gammage were they CAV our Bosch?
@@jamesfrench7299 C.A.V mate
Brian Gammage saw an AEC AH760 with a Bosch injector pump once.
Ex Harrow Weald THX ones again, plus the AYR ones were ex Harrow Weald too! Superb buses.
Yes, there are a lot of National lovers out there. A friend of mine owns a couple, lovely buses to drive.
THX 209S at 3:26 and AYR 334T at 8:31 both lasted up until 2009
@@markdavies7154 That was quite a survivor wasn't it!......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yep, remember there well when I was a kid in the 80's with the segregated smoking section at the back behind plastic screens with a big red light above whereas the rest of the bus had white lights
Hi, love this video, brings back so many memories as I grew up in loughton at this time. Is there any way I could get a copy on DVD? Many thanks
Follow the link to get my email address. I am away from home for a few days but it is possible to sort something out......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus that's amazing, thanks ever so much!
Always loved the sound of the LT Nationals. We had 14 ex LT ones in Portsmouth at one point. Was this filmed in the fall of 1986 or the beginning?
Hi there, this was filmed in March/April time in 1986. Loughton Garage closed in May 1986 and is now a housing estate.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Memories of the Ilford to Chingford Stn run , with Grey Green , Dagenham . And a rest-day duty with a National when l was at Merton , A L . A nice change from the 155's , Wimbledon to The Elephant . At Charoen Khrung l hop on a 75 or a 1 , to Robinsons 😅 ! Best wishes , ex-L.T. , N 112235 .
I paln to upload a nice Titan & National vid of them at Stratford in around 1990 time in the near future, keep an eye out.
I drove buses in the east end but also the 185 after Durham Travel went down. That made a nice change from the 248s!
I see working with Nationals all day didn't put all the staff off British Leyland products; there's a Maxi, a Triumph, a Princess outside the garage...
What an observant views i have! You all notice things that i never have, things beyond the main thrust of the video, keep it up! I suppose they were the everyday persons car of the time. Bus driving generally needing a car unless you live very close to your garage. I have another Loughton National vid coming soon, keep an eye out......
2:52 How rude
Just how things were, not many people filming things back then.....
Richard head.
much prefer our e200mmc that we have now
Nationals were good, solid buses though and fun to drive!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus land pacers
@@alfiewhittaker3763 Saw (& filmed) one of them at Chester on Friday, it could be my last (thank God i hear you say.......lol), at least on the main line. That days filming will be an upload soon.....
Not another one who unfairly groups the buses with the pacers.
A good bus can make a bad train.