Mechanical Advance in a Bosch Distributor / How to Adjust the Timing Curve | Tech Tip 26

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  • Centrifugal Distributor Advance & How To Adjust the Timing Curve. An essential, but often overlooked part of the tuning process. & want to know the best bit?? It's FREE! Yep, free. It may take some fiddling and some trial and error, but with a handful of basic tools & some patience, the results will be well worthwhile. Wrap your noodle round this one!
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Komentáře • 91

  • @FastRust
    @FastRust  Před 4 lety +2

    Need to know how to replace your distributors condenser and correctly gap breaker points? Check out my video here:
    czcams.com/video/-MFRgFKmHUo/video.html

    • @ThomasJoseph315
      @ThomasJoseph315 Před 2 lety

      If I remove the springs and bend the stops in completely,.... will that lock out my distributor? I am adding a programmable ignition.

  • @stevegraham3817
    @stevegraham3817 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Sneaky trick - most battery drills have 3 speeds, somewhere around 500, 1000-1200, 1500-2000 rpms.
    The distributor runs at half engine speed so that equates to 1000, 2400, and 4000 engine rpms, so the initial tuning can be done on the bench.
    It won't be perfect, but at least it will give some visual cues for the ballpark starting point.
    Sneaky trick number 2, the drill can also be used to give a rough speedo calibration as well.

  • @johnlivingston9415
    @johnlivingston9415 Před 4 lety +3

    This is the first time I’ve every seen instruction on adjusting mechanical advance curve! Well done!
    I have a little vintage Jeep group here in California and I’m recommending your videos to the group! Thanks

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety

      Thanks John, appreciate the kind words & the recommendation! Hope it can be of some use to you vintage Jeep guys. Have a good one.

  • @johngreenwood6162
    @johngreenwood6162 Před rokem

    To determine the mechanical advance total when bending the weight limit stops place the rotor button on and use a half moon degree protractor from kids geometry kit and hold it over the rotor button to see how many degrees the rotor button turns when spreading the weights by finger. For Lpg vehicles around 7 degrees is fine which is 14 degrees on the crank.

  • @PawnShopRockers
    @PawnShopRockers Před 2 lety

    Super Video! Well done and relevant information for everyone. I have to say the Capri has the coolest Fan Shroud / "Work Tray" ever! I must make one for my 1968 Ford. *Greetings from across the pond in the USA.

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety

      Hello back from the UK 🇬🇧 It really does, as long as you remember to remove all the tools before taking it out on a test drive (been there!) Which classic Ford do you have? Thanks. James.

    • @PawnShopRockers
      @PawnShopRockers Před 2 lety

      @@FastRust Galaxie 500 / 2 door Sedan / 302 in "the bonnet" / room for a family of 4 or 5 in "the boot" / lime-mist green. *BTW... magnetize that shroud to hold forgotten items.

  • @gbparada
    @gbparada Před 3 lety

    Greetings from Brazil. I've got an '86 Chevette which has been converted from ethanol to gasoline, so the compression ratio will be higher and I'll be needing to adjust the timing curve. Your video helped me a lot, so thank you very much. Cheers, mate!

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks, glad it helped out! I wish I'd have known this trick back in day when I put a 1.6 head on a 2.0 block to up the compression. As it turned out it was way too high and I had to run base timing at TDC to stop it pinging under load! You live, you learn. Cheers. James.

  • @panospapadimitriou3498

    you make things look a bit easier. . today for a man to keep up with distributors must be grandpa at least..!!!!

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety

      Ha ha. My girlfriend keeps telling me I'm an old man in a younger man's body. Maybe she's right!

    • @panospapadimitriou3498
      @panospapadimitriou3498 Před 2 lety

      @@FastRust LOL i got problems with my EX in that and for many years had the project out !!! big mistake register project for daily ... keeps you from finish it !!! but my brain was always fast charged ..!!!

  • @AWBElectrical
    @AWBElectrical Před 3 lety

    Easier way to adjust it it all is do the rate first with springs, then pull the dissy out and through the window aperture you can tweak the limit posts with a screwdriver. Plus there is a point set for a Holden XU1 in Australia, these are drop in with a heavier spring allowing clean reving up to 7000rpm.
    Welding or grinding the tabs on the vacuum advance arm will allow adjusting of the max vacuum advance.

    • @harrywalker5836
      @harrywalker5836 Před 2 lety

      7k,mmm,, must have rollers.screw in studs. like all real engines have from factory. . or your rockers would be thru the cover. plus, whats wrong with electronic. $60. no bounce. good for 20k.. 6500 every day with a std clevo, chev blow at 6000, . best old skool engine, 460c. easy cheap 550 hp..the LS v8, nearly got it right, almost.. still have the std diff in the xu.. ?..

  • @DW....
    @DW.... Před 2 lety

    THANK YOU> The clearest explanation I have seen. Much appreciated.

  • @dennyrulos7370
    @dennyrulos7370 Před 2 lety +1

    You're a lifesaver thanks

  • @MajorT0m
    @MajorT0m Před 4 lety

    Got mine running the other day so will get a video up when its not raining 👍

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      Nice one. Put a link up when you do.

    • @MajorT0m
      @MajorT0m Před 4 lety +1

      @@FastRust Will do, got an old school Gunsuns Colourtune thing that lets you look into the combustion chamber as its running to set the mixture up too!

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      Whaaaaaat?!

    • @MajorT0m
      @MajorT0m Před 4 lety

      @@FastRust 😂 yeah I know! it's a plastic tube with a glass base with an electrode in the middle. You basically get an extension to your spark plug and with a little mirror you can see down the tube to the glass plug and see into the combustion chamber whilst its running 👍 as soon as its the magical combination of not raining and not sunny I'll video me doing it.

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety

      Mind 💥. This definitely requires a video!

  • @PawnShopRockers
    @PawnShopRockers Před 2 lety

    I do have a thought in your situation. Why not just remove the vac-Advance from the distributor entirely? Just make a simple cover over the opening and and screws over the D-body. Cheers

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety

      Because the way I saw it at the time, the arm from the vac advance holds the top plate of the distributor in position. Without it I was worried that it could still move from vibrations and forces and affect the timing. Could be wrong but better to be safe than sorry.

  • @Eddieallenmeek
    @Eddieallenmeek Před rokem

    Doe’s the mechanical advance centrifugal work when you change the points to a electronic spark system like lumention?

  • @shabaazhussain9112
    @shabaazhussain9112 Před rokem

    Gud day I'm having difficulty getting my dellortos carb 40s dhla balanced

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před rokem

      czcams.com/video/FoUOcPYqDmU/video.html

  • @jimdonnelly5727
    @jimdonnelly5727 Před rokem

    Where did you find the springs and nylon bushings for your mallory distributor?????

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před rokem

      I had a spare distributor I pinched them out of that

  • @RiggersXR2
    @RiggersXR2 Před 2 lety

    Hi mate can you remember approximately how much you bent the stops inwards to reduce 10 degrees of movement, maybe 2-3mm?... I've marked my pulley and checked mine, it seems my total dizzy advance movement is 26 degrees - with it set to 8 at 1000rpm it's all in at 34 by 3000rpm.

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety +1

      Honestly can't remember mate, I struggle to remember what I did yesterday nevermind a few years back. It's just a case of trial and error. You can sort of see where I bent them to in the vid. That took off about 8-10 degrees of advance.

  • @claymunsamy
    @claymunsamy Před 4 lety

    long awaited video amazing machine!!

  • @legebakken1
    @legebakken1 Před 3 lety

    Very helpful. Good video . Many thanks !

  • @dinahmiteb.9687
    @dinahmiteb.9687 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for doing these videos. Huge help!!

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety

      Great to hear, thanks 👍

  • @Jonathan_Doe_
    @Jonathan_Doe_ Před rokem

    If you want to keep the vacuum advance, how do you work out the maximum amount of advance it adds? Is it just a case of trawling the web for the original spec sheets?

    • @ARockyRock
      @ARockyRock Před 4 měsíci

      you can check with a timing light by seeing what the static timing is and then revving the engine until max advance is achieved. you can then subtract the static timing from the max advance to determine how much advance is added.

  • @paulkillick3419
    @paulkillick3419 Před rokem

    Hi, I have a 1972 MK1 Capri with the 3.0 Essex engine. My distributor looks like it’s come from a Sierra as it has a red cap, no vacuum advance and is electronic with an ignition module fixed to my inner wing. My question is the Weber DGAS carburettor vacuum is blanked off as the distributor has no vacuum advance to run a hose to. Ignition timing is set to 10° btdc. Presumably the Bosch distributor has mechanical advance so is it ok to drive a car that originally had a vacuum advance distributor that’s now had a Sierra distributor and ignition module or should I purchase a new distributor with vacuum advance so I can re connect it to the carburettor? The car is standard apart for the ignition changes which presumably was done during its time in South Africa.
    Thanks
    Paul

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před rokem +1

      Hi Paul. Yes perfectly fine to drive with no vacuum advance. All this does is advance the timing when the intake is in 'vacuum' - which is either idle or cruise. This will give you marginally better fuel economy due to more efficient combustion.

    • @paulkillick3419
      @paulkillick3419 Před rokem

      @@FastRust thanks for the reply.

  • @danreynolds5692
    @danreynolds5692 Před 3 lety

    Is there a particular reason you've kept with the points and condenser system as opposed to electronic ignition? I'm now changing mine for an electronic pick up for reliability

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety +3

      Because I'm stubborn, basically! I like the simplicity of them, and they haven't let me down in the 10+ years I've owned the car

  • @billywhizz98
    @billywhizz98 Před 4 lety

    Great video very well explained

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      Thankyou! Took some writing this one 🤣

  • @Manuqtix.Manuqtix
    @Manuqtix.Manuqtix Před 2 lety

    What if you have an electronic distributor.
    How does that work to advance the timing?

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety

      Electronic distributors i.e on the Sierra still rely on this weight and spring setup inside so adjustment is the same. How you get into the distributor is different though.

  • @JACKSPEED_TV
    @JACKSPEED_TV Před 4 lety

    Nice one mate, very well explained 👍

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks mate. Have you done this to yours since you installed head and wild cam?

    • @JACKSPEED_TV
      @JACKSPEED_TV Před 4 lety +1

      @@FastRust No not yet mate, it's a bit over my head 😂

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety

      Naaaaaahhhhhhhh!

  • @joeteejoetee
    @joeteejoetee Před 3 lety

    Technically, if you want to accutaly disable the Vacuum advance air pressure, you would not seal off one side of the timing diaphragm with a sealed hose BECAUSE doing that actually CREATES a Barometer controlling your timing based against the sealed gasses. #Logic

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety +1

      I take your point but in reality this isn't an issue. The bolt stuck in the end does not form an airtight seal so temps do not affect the timing on my car.

    • @harrywalker5836
      @harrywalker5836 Před 2 lety

      @@FastRust pluis your in old bity, 3 degrees all yr..

  • @dinahmiteb.9687
    @dinahmiteb.9687 Před 3 lety

    Great help matie

  • @johnmurphy4658
    @johnmurphy4658 Před 3 lety

    Videos are great 👍 keep at it

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      Thanks John. Will do. Got a few filmed last week just need to pull my finger out and edit them.

  • @theGasur
    @theGasur Před 4 lety

    Does all this apply to the electronic ignition as fitted to the pinto Sierra

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      The mechanical advance system is the same, but how you get to it is different. I think you have to remove the distributor drive gear in order to disassemble fully

  • @Shahkhan-lp1ix
    @Shahkhan-lp1ix Před 3 lety

    waoooo so technical ❤️ im gona subscribe 🙏

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      That's what it's all about here! Thanks 👍🏻

  • @jodauth3319
    @jodauth3319 Před 3 lety

    can't seem to get the dave andrews article up can you help?

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      www.s262612653.websitehome.co.uk/DVAndrews/timing.htm

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      That worked for me

  • @alonsodelvalle3838
    @alonsodelvalle3838 Před 3 lety

    Really nice, what was your final setup? Degrees of Initial advance? and how many degrees the mechanical advance gives?

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      Thanks. Initial advance is around 18 degrees and then the mechanical advance adds another 20 so 38 total.

    • @alonsodelvalle3838
      @alonsodelvalle3838 Před 3 lety

      @@FastRust Thanks buddy, I really apreciate your answer, i try to do with mine i dont have DCOE’s only bike carbs so i hope it works for me also

  • @alfatechniks887
    @alfatechniks887 Před 3 lety

    Hi bud, on the subject of state of tune, what is your set up. I’m considering now changing my mechanical advance, I need to know firstly my baseline but I’ve got a 2.0 pinto sohc like yours with a kent fr32 cam, 45mm Weber’s and a matched inlet and head, ported but standard valves. Would my inhibition time and advance be similar to yours?

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      It won't be the same as your cam profile is less aggressive than mine. If you look in the vid description there's a link to an article which will help you work out your ideal advance curve. It's mainly based around the duration of your cam.

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      I have an RL31 in mine with headwork

  • @garypeatling7927
    @garypeatling7927 Před 2 lety

    Never thought of this be fixing motors for 50 years , do know old Ford distributor gives more advance than Bosch distributor going to try on Daimler v8

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 2 lety

      Yeah it's old school tuning for sure - no laptops and programmable ECUs here. The trial and error part can be slightly frustrating but it does get quicker the more times you have to do it! Good luck.

  • @xx-mz2eg
    @xx-mz2eg Před 2 lety

    Is that a F91W clock mate? ;)

  • @alejandrocasas1455
    @alejandrocasas1455 Před 2 lety

    👍🏻

  • @blkcoupequattro
    @blkcoupequattro Před 2 lety

    20' advance, 30' total???

  • @ziyakucuk4082
    @ziyakucuk4082 Před 4 lety

    👍

  • @STSmithable
    @STSmithable Před 3 lety

    Do you not have hot start problems with so much advance?

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 3 lety

      No issues with hot, but cold starts can be an issue as it'll kick back on the starter. But since I fitted a new battery it cranks faster and generally isn't an problem

    • @harrywalker5836
      @harrywalker5836 Před 2 lety

      its total advance, not initial,which is idle..

    • @johngreenwood6162
      @johngreenwood6162 Před rokem

      Small block Chev motors usually hate too much initial advance when hot. I used a kill switch that I would release once the motor was winding over to stop it knocking back.

  • @rangerfortin1504
    @rangerfortin1504 Před 4 lety

    👍🏻

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety

      Cheers Jimbo. Sorry about lack of diesel 🤣

    • @rangerfortin1504
      @rangerfortin1504 Před 4 lety

      Fast Rust I like it ! cos it’s proppa spanner time - proppa mechanics :) stuff you can do at home rather than £££ specialty

    • @FastRust
      @FastRust  Před 4 lety +1

      Not a laptop or ECU in sight 👍