The State of Classic Halo Multiplayer
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- I spent hundreds of hours playing Halo so I could convince you to also spend hundreds of hours playing Halo.
GUIDE TO HALO COMMUNITIES & REVIVAL PROJECTS:
(HALO COMBAT EVOLVED:
OG Xbox Lan Tunnelling - Halo Classic Hub @punny88 / discord
MCC Players & Mod Nights: Halo 1 Guide / discord
Halo Custom Edition (PC): www.haloce.org/
Halo 1 NHE Mod (Xbox): halo1nhe.com/
Halo LANs @ 1Up VIdeo Games in Greenville, SC / 1upvideogamesgreenville
Beach LAN, H1 NHE, Annually in Tampa, FL beach-lan.com/)
(HALO 2:
Xbox Live 1.0 Restored by @Insignia_Live insignia.live discord.gg/CWkdVdc
OG Xbox Game Nights & MCC Mod Nights in Halo Classic Hub: / discord
Xlink Kai played in a variety of Discord servers / discord
Halo 2 Vista (Project Cartographer) halo2.online)
(HALO 3:
HALO 3 SUNRISE Server Revival Mod for Xbox 360 - OG Halo 3 DIscord / discord
Halo 3 Modded Nights on MCC in Halo Classic Hub: / discord )
(HALO REACH:
Xbox 360 Halo Reach Sunrise played in Halo Classic Hub: / discord
MCC Halo Reach Customs to be played via Browser)
(HALO ONLINE/ELDEWRITO:
www.eldewrito.org/)
Additionally, Halo Classic Hub offers lfg channels for all games.
Heartfelt Thanks To:
Halo Classic Hub
noobs
Punny88
Halo 1 Guide
Slatchey
OG Halo 3 Discord & all their hosts
REblunder
DWLRazgriz
traumag0tchi
Music Used: pastebin.com/vwMUd68E
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:12 Disclaimer
04:26 Halo: Combat Evolved
11:53 Halo 2
18:31 Halo 3
27:44 Halo Online/Eldewrito
28:39 Halo Reach
35:20 Outro - Hry
GUIDE TO HALO COMMUNITIES & REVIVAL PROJECTS (WITH NEW ADDITION)
(HALO COMBAT EVOLVED:
OG Xbox Lan Tunnelling - Halo Classic Hub @punny88 discord.com/invite/haloclassi...
MCC Players & Mod Nights: Halo 1 Guide discord.gg/kpRBTTUNHt
Halo Custom Edition (PC): www.haloce.org/
Halo 1 NHE Mod (Xbox): halo1nhe.com/
Halo LANs @ 1Up VIdeo Games in Greenville, SC facebook.com/1upvideogame...
Beach LAN, H1 NHE, Annually in Tampa, FL beach-lan.com/)
NorCal Halo LANs linktr.ee/norcalhalo
(HALO 2:
Xbox Live 1.0 Restored by @Insignia_Live insignia.live discord.gg/CWkdVdc
OG Xbox Game Nights & MCC Mod Nights in Halo Classic Hub: discord.com/invite/haloclassichub
Xlink Kai played in a variety of Discord servers discord.gg/kVZ9Ap6
Halo 2 Vista (Project Cartographer) halo2.online)
(HALO 3:
HALO 3 SUNRISE Server Revival Mod for Xbox 360 - OG Halo 3 DIscord discord.gg/halo3
Halo 3 Modded Nights on MCC in Halo Classic Hub: discord.com/invite/haloclassichub)
(HALO REACH:
Xbox 360 Halo Reach Sunrise played in Halo Classic Hub: discord.com/invite/haloclassichub
MCC Halo Reach Customs to be played via Browser)
(HALO ONLINE/ELDEWRITO:
www.eldewrito.org/)
troubled development and corporate greed is only 2/3 of the issues. the last one being incompetent game devs that would even refuse to hire the old guard and abused their relationships with the ones that remained (the announcer va, chief and cortana va) you know, the ones that hated halo? yeah microsoft wasnt responsible for that
you should change your bio to boy instead of girl
IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT PEOPLE FORGET THAT NORMAL SPANKIN SLAYER WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED 5v5 THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING IT
Yes! It irks me so much
Bungie didn't make the title update for Reach, they bailed after making the first map pack. 343 made TU1 and the dumb split playlists with different balancing.
That.. makes a lot of sense
Yup, I'll back-up that statement. 343 Industries prepared that Title Update as Bungie had finally moved on from Halo & Microsoft's contractual obligations following the release of the Noble Map Pack, with the subsequent Defiant Map Pack primarily developed by Certain Affinity & the Anniversary Map Pack developed by 343 Industries & Certain Affinity (Certain Affinity would go on to be a major supporting studio for 343 Industries going forward, particularly in development for Halo 4 Multiplayer & Halo 2: Anniversary Multiplayer).
For all of Halo: Reach's faults in the Multiplayer experience (I *love* the game, but the standard Multiplayer experience is undoubtedly it's weakest aspect while it's Custom Games was arguably it's strongest, especially as I used to *love* Rocket Hog Race in the 3v3v3v3 Multi-Team Playlist in addition to the Action Sack playlist, of which the latter did mostly return in MCC) and although I didn't enjoy the Title Update changes (They had to roll-back the bleed-through change due to a major issue that The Master Chief Collection would later solve & allow to happen there and while the Armour Lock changes sound great, I can't help but feel that other Armour Abilities have become more acknowledged as a greater menace to the Multiplayer sandbox over-time, especially as I caught so few people actually using Armour Lock in what games of Halo: Reach I did play with my continued & favoured use of Jetpack & Evade), they actually didn't do much to address the issues that the game's Multiplayer had for which the community Map-Makers otherwise did a better job of attempting to resolve (Not that you'd manage to encounter them often enough on the Xbox 360 Matchmaking as I remember quite the habitual voting favour for Sword Base whenever that only-good-for-Free-For-All map showed up).
It does play very smoothly in The Master Chief Collection, but the absolutely elegant user interface from the Xbox 360 is sorely missed, along with the ability to locally store as many Custom Games files as your Storage Device could hold (You get a generous enough 150 'Shared Files', but only 50 'Private Files' for all games in the Collection, which is *appallingly low* when you remember that Halo 3 alone was originally limited to 100-per-Storage-Device, which Memory Cards & then USB-Storage could intuitively circumnavigate).
Plus, I can't help but feel like that they should've offered all of the base-game's armour right from the start, especially as Guest Profiles cannot access them and they were the start of a lot of "On the fly" attempts of providing compelling Progression that I personally think *never* succeeded or was even finished in some instances (Get me started on 'The Exchange' and I'll start getting genuinely furious as to how something so evidently simple to manage & maintain has been absolutely not), if not actually hurt the game experience due to how swiftly bad habits of players came back (I could still often find "Spinning-in-Idle" players as recent as last year in Firefight, all the while it felt like only 3-4/10 matches ever resulted in all players participating, with many just remaining idle either to grind the ranks or because they were Away-From-Device while waiting & hadn't realised that they had *finally* found a Match). It really makes me think that 343 Industries has just continuously repeated mistakes that Bungie had applied lessons learned from Halo 3 as soon as Halo: Reach launched (A chief example being that Bungie avoided Multiplayer Achievements that could result in such disruption as lobbies being hijacked just to achieve them, all the while 343 Industries would continuously bring such things back as soon as the Anniversary Map Pack or as recent as the Challenge system for The Master Chief Collection).
Honestly the TU wasn't all bad but every change was so controversial with people for and against each of them that I think it is cool of 343i to go and respectfully give people who didn't want the TU playlists to still play online. Sure, in a vacuum it is a bizarre decision but it was a nice gesture.
Yup, literally the first thing 343 did with Halo was release a garbage remaster, and immediately follow that up by ruining Reach’s multiplayer.
Tbf, regarding the questionable cosmetics in Halo 3, there is an option to turn that off in the settings of MCC.
I certainly make use of that choice for myself (I do appreciate some of the new additions such as the Fireteam Raven armour and the camouflage weapon & vehicle paintjobs that I wish were as broadly applied as they were for Halo: Combat Evolved, but I just cannot get used to the Tech Suit changes made to the Elites' armour, so I turn it off just to have the old one back). I only disable it for Halo: Combat Evolved (Again, some of it's appreciated, but I much prefer something akin to what Halo: Combat Revolved does with such things) as Halo 4 only benefits from having it on and I don't know if you'd miss out on some of the genuine improvements Halo: Reach got.
Still, when you look at the fact that Eldewrito actually expands the customisation options for both Spartan & Elite player-models with existing in-game assets (When others are not ported from other games), it can be hard not to look at that and ponder where 343 Industries priorities were in providing "distractions" for the slower & more meaningful work being done in the meantime when I can imagine a lot more people asking for the Halo: Reach Elites to get the customisation option expansion that H2:AM did, the Halo: Reach Spartan Armour/Helmet Attachments to be more freely selected or Halo 2: Anniversary Multiplayer to have more highlights from the Halo 4 armour ported over (I believe they are the same character models) rather than for all of that 'Mythic' nonsense they siphoned off from their Seasons/Series into The Exchange just to be even more bloody annoying to unlock, if not ever made available to unlock at all to this day in at least once case (The brought-from-the-cutting-room-floor Halo: Reach additions & Fireteam Raven assets were largely appreciated, but I think more people wanted the vehicles, maps & weapons from Halo Online rather than it's armour sets).
But then everyone is the default spartan
Only if they use anything that didn't come from the original game, which basically every new player or guest profile will be using anyway since they're likely more interesting in playing the game than bothering to make use of all of the original game's options that come "out of the box" for it & Halo 4 (If only 343 Industries didn't make Halo 3: ODST & Halo: Reach exceptions to this, especially as nothing about unlocking anything for them again is "fun" or "meaningful").
Besides, who even cares about who's wearing what in Halo 3 besides themselves anymore? I sure don't, nor have I met anyone who has since the Xbox 360 days. The most mention I ever see is about those who use Elites as their chosen Player Model (Of which I do).
My problem is that I like the Fireteam Raven and Macworld armor, yet all the garbage armor was added to 3 and fucked with the art style. I’d rather have the option to choose what armor shows up and what doesn’t if it’s going to remove my ODST armor while I wear it.
They could have just gave us good cosmetics
God, watching this in 2024 and after being there at that time in the thick of it all those years ago. When Halo was on top, when everyone was playing and as soon as you hopped online you would receive 20 different invites to either play campaign, multiplayer, forge or custom games. I remember growing up around that time and in school, the topic would eventually come up if you or the person you were talking to plays halo. That feeling after a long day of wanting to hop on and have some fun on the best game on the Xbox will never be lost on me. The community of people that played, which was one of the big reasons halo was such a fun game to hop on as well. Honestly watching this and thinking about how the franchise is today is beyond depressing. I feel like an old man reminiscing about days long gone and waiting to hear someone that is much younger telling me to "just give it up already" even though I am only 25, and those days felt like they just happened yesterday.
Seeing how dedicated we are as a community makes me happy though. When Microsoft and 343 drop the ball at every turn, it is always up to us to make things happen. We do this every time no matter how tiresome it could be or how big the challenge is. WE MAKE IT HAPPEN. I am proud to be apart of this community. I am going to dig out my old OG Xbox and finally put in the effort to play insignia and x-link kai, as well as join the sunrise discord. So thank you Kacey for that final extra push I needed. I hope we can get back to how things were back in the day. With the release of halo infinite, it shut down that stupid argument of people saying "No one wants to play halo these days". Because when halo infinite launched on both steam and Xbox those player counts spoke more than words ever could and reminded me of the golden days. We are not tired of halo and I don't think we ever will become tired. The world just needs a true halo game, and we along with everyone else will be there to recreate those golden days of the past.
Great Video, as always!
Just wait five more years you'll be more cynical, jaded and even more pissed off your favorite franchise has been fucked to hell and back and is irredeemably screwed. H.I on ALL platforms, it barely plays on PC even mine says basically game is far too crap to play but my machine plays GTA V perfectly. Freaking A. I'm 30 and I was well in the thick of the Halo way back when as well, I got good by ONLY playing Campaign on H2 and then when firefight came out I was only playing that endlessly with endless waves smoking a joint and blaring music and maybe having a beer. Unfortunately I was not old enough to really drink or smoke but that didn't stop me from living it up and I got gud to the point I never had to really play multiplayer but I did anyways and was fucking awesome. Sprinting, the armor powers and now sprint is default and now we have sliding that shit is so cool too bad H.I. and the community and the company is in the state it is now. It's all Fortnite and shit now and now that we have that, it bothers me to lose at all, to be out done by some snot nosed little shit that has no life and all the time in the world to play whatever else and doesn't. I was never bothered back then of losing because it was fun, now Sweats dominate the Gaming Community while the haxors are even more relentless. Because Fortnite's Standards have made people worse mentally and kids are insufferable because of it all. Nothing is fun because it is all Sweat now, cringe. I remember playing Halo 2 back on the Original Xbox in the early 2000's with my childhood best friend, then I got a 360 Arcade so I could play Halo 2 backwards compat and I took that everywhere with me. Now Xboxes just do not last as long, you need to replace it or have it repaired by MS and that is made exasperatedly worse because of new advances and laser disk trays are a thing of the past you do not own your games anymore even though you bought a copy. Halo is in fact tired and old, it has no identity ever since Halo 4 it has had an identity crisis of the self and of the franchise. It's become Fortnite basically just without the building. How can you be so blind and ignorant? It was great back then, our memories and experience of it was great but now has been tarnished by copycat companies and the ever-expanding idea of "Metaverses" and Battle Royale-likes. Cringe. New game mode in Halo, yeah it just has been reduced to a Sweat match or devolves into a self defeating game mode, and they cannot even keep any sort of NON-Sweat game modes in the game at all. What the ever fuck happened to Bot Boot Camp?! Oh yeah constant inconsistency just like Walmart is unreliable for products and where they ever are they move around stuff ALL the time. Halo now has a shit TV show for smooth brainers and lazy arses that do not or cannot read Source Material. World building, go talk to Takahata101 he has more insight in one fingernail than all of Hollywood. Monty Glue, his sister has more insight as well and can tell a fascinating and immersive story. Activists in the place of actual writers and it's all dominated by politics and shit people telling us to "do better" when it is them that needs to do so. It's just not like how it was, son. You should get used to it the faster the better, for your sake. Rose tinted glasses and all that. It's nice to hear someone is still positive but I think it's a bit misguided and lacking certain eye-opening details in the world around you. Here watch an anime called 86, you'll get why positive reinforcement is lost after being fucked for so long like that as the 86 were in that anime. It's a worse effect of Conditioning, thanks Pavlov you git. It feels strange and alien to have positive reinforcement be used on you if you were fighting tooth and nail for so long with a corrupted government "Not" putting human soldiers on the battlefield as a means of "No human lives were lost" as a referential form of the book "All Quiet on The Western Front" and a combination of 1986, even Jon-Roh is like that as well as Akira. You'll get it, it just takes some time and understanding with a little bit of personal experience. Stop getting stomped on and put your foot down with a nice resounding and firm, "No more!"
As cool as the idea of Insignia and Sunrise are, and as glad as I am that they exist, I can't imagine myself ever going back to H2/3 FOVs when I've been playing games at 100+ for over a decade. Might be the first time a game would actually give me motion sickness. Still very happy that the option is there for those who want to pursue it, may the classics live forever.
it was like that with Halo Infinite with the FOV slider, it made me get headaches, feeling nauseous or even just perspective is visually weird and off kilter. I found the fight number but it took forever playing around with visuals over performance is discouraging it changing ANY settings even when you relaunched the game and ALL YOUR SETTINGS were reset. That shit made me not play for months.
I really appreciate you going out of your way to ensure your audience does their research on services like these. It’s actually inspiring and I’ll work to incorporate this into my own video scripts, hopefully nearly as good as you :p
Phenomenal video. Seriously, a fantastic job well done ❤
Thanks! Always good to hear from you 💜
God, I miss when video games were fun. No battlepasses, no sneaky retention based matchmaking... what a time.
And no fucking haxors either on Xbox Only Halo Gaming. What a time, it was.
the light from the video hasnt touched my eyes and i already know its peak
(edit: its peak)
Halo 4 Cortana has peaked the interests of many.
@@3ofSpades perhaps the only thing in that game
The more people talk about Insignia, the better. It's such an amazing service.
I'm in your video at 17:20 during Insignia part. Lets go GGs
For a m&k player, mcc halo ce is actually the one with the least issues.
Great video! I wanted to add that another HUGE difference between the classic halo and MCC experience is the egregious sbmm used in MCC where it feels like matchmaking after enough wins is forcing you to lose against stacks or inferior teammates. Its the main reason why on MCC you will see so many smurfs or stacked teams to counter this. Once the MCC PC port came out pre/post game lobbies and map selection(replaced by composer) were scrapped resulting in this new sbmm system.
It makes me happy to see the state these titles are in currently, especially after what we've seen (and what you've taken the time to cover) with the back catalogue of BF and COD releases. Granted, there is a big time gap between the last game covered here and in the BF video from months prior, but it's something worth pointing out really.
For those with macbooks, there's a mac port of Halo CE (custom edition) called Halo MD (Halo Mini Demo). It has a server browser in the launcher and supports a wide range of mods and maps! This was my version of Halo as a child and it was really fun to run LAN parties. It's been years since I've touched it but hopefully there's still people out there using it.
I host LANs in NorCal 2-3x a month! Halo CE/2/3/MCC/Infinite!
Nice! Do you have a website or discord or anything I can put in the sticky?
@@Kaceydotme I also run an ogx modding workshop out of the same place I host LANs!
Very glad I was able to play some H3 with you a few months ago! It was a bunch of fun!
Love your videos bro nice to see you uploading!
pretty good video but some of your opinions on mcc are kinda silly to incorrect
love to hear what i'm incorrect about in MCC
@@Kaceydotme A good one for example is saying Halo 2 Vista is a better version of the game. The MCC version is based off of that port and fixes a ton of the visual and netcode issues and is generally more authentic/plays better. Even with matchmaking, sure h2v has a server browser but the majority of the populated servers are absolutely terrible, like people doing 16 player lockout/midship and the like.
Or with CE, the netcode is a huge improvement over the original pc ports. It's still not perfect but you had to literally lag shoot/lead all of your shots to hit in the original while that's not as much of an issue in the MCC. I say this as someone that played a ton of custom edition reguarly, MCC is a better experience in both the port and netcode. Your matchmaking points are correct though.
The issue with MCC H2 isn’t authenticity, though it does feel off- it’s that the matchmaking sucks, barely anyone plays H2, and while I didn’t include this in the video, H2 on MCC is full of the sweatiest players you’ve ever encountered. Even if you can hold your own, your team often won’t be able to and you’ll just get spawn killed and destroyed. Skill issue, yes, but I am better at Halo than most who are going to pick it back up bc of this video and if it’s not a good experience for me, it won’t be for them.
Same with CE, never said the Netcode in custom edition was better. You’ve invented that viewpoint. The matchmaking is the problem, and both still feel wrong. There is no great way to play CE online right now, everything has a sacrifice, and personally the best option is organized private sessions with H1 Guide *via MCC*
@@someguy4957 my experience on Insignia, Kai, and H2V has been waayyyyy more even which is a huge part of why I prefer them
@@Kaceydotme @Kaceydotme
I might've misinterpreted you with CE sorry
But with halo 2 that's just the community in general, I've seen sweats on insignia, h2v, mcc, etc. It's just what happens with long term communities on old games, it's not the game's fault. My first match on Insignia for example was against a bunch of level 40s-50s and they steamrolled me lol
Great video on Halo as a whole here. Last night I played two matches of Halo 1 on MCC PC and it wasn't perfect, but god after a long time away it felt good to be back.
I grew up on Custom Edition and honestly it's such a wasted opportunity that MCC missed parity on features. I wish there was a proper community server browser with mod support, this isn't quite enough.
Your point about the control scheme in 1 on PC made me laugh, as I play every shooter like that if I can, I suppose old habits die hard.
Thank you anyway, hopefully some people see how to get onto some of these games and relive some nice memories. Always loved your videos and the way your present content, it's a big shame the CZcams algorithm hasn't blown you up more.
Fantastic video! This is really great, especially for people looking to get into classic halo mp. While hosting customs with your own groups tends to be the best option a majority of the time, it's great that there's just so many options out there. I've personally really enjoyed eldewritos resurrection, and its use as a modding platform is going to hopefully be the start of something amazing. It's such a shame that the playerbase died down really quickly, though. Playing the game on Vulkan runs it extremely well, practically perfectly, at least for me, and it's a shame to not be able to play as consistently as when it first dropped. But alas, maybe itll get a more consistent following later down the road. This was a really amazing video, especially as a long time halo fan. Keep up the great work, you've earned a subscriber ♥
I'm still a bit of a newcomer to the series, I never grew up with it, only got into it via MCC on Steam. But it's really impressive to see it's fans continue to maintain these games long after it's developers have moved on.
I'm not a multiplayer person, hell, the only one I really did was Battlefield, and I don't really touch that nowadays, aside from some lingering feelings to try out BF2. I'm PvE through and through. But still, I wonder if these various methods would be any good with Co-op Campaign or Firefight... But it's hard enough getting people to play with me on MCC
Campaign, firefight and custom games on the 360 game all still work on LIVE. It’s just the matchmaking that’s gone. So theoretically you and some friends could play it no problem
great video, in my case it is very difficult find games in the classic halo that are not 4v4 even in MCC
this video is so real, i enjoyed watching this a lot. its hard to get the purest classic halo experience, or rather "MCC/Infinite are just not the same" lmao but i do like the accessibility and the juice is definitely worth the squeeze haha
I love how you put balls as your message in halo 2. And I love your clan tag.
Thank you so much for this vid it made me get into playing Halo Multiplayer and It’s campaign and I can now say I am a Halo Fan
Can we appreciate how well Halo has been persevered, either by the community or by 343. Despite its issues I'll always be thankful for the work done to bring MCC up to standard, it could always be a lot worse...
I do miss the menus of Reach though, it was my favorite and I lost so many hours to it, grinding to make my Spartan look as stupid as possible.
Good work on the video btw, didnt even know insignia could now do Halo 2, I was wondering why the prices of OG Xboxes was going up....
This is so comprehensive, detailed and realistic about the options of and the reality of playing them.
I feel like the most a lot of Halo content creators don't go nearly as in-depth, even the ones that do their due diligence.
if i have to hear 'three - forty -three' one more time I'm taking a bath with a toaster
that's how i say it, run the water
I guess I’m gonna join him in the tub
Ill hop in there too nohomo
Honestly, i grew up with Halo from the early to mid 2000s starting with CE on my brother’s original Xbox, then spent a good portion of Halo 2 when we didn’t have Xbox Live. Halo 3 was good, ODST was a pure bliss, and Reach was a soft spot. Then 4 I remember I liked because it was 2012 and the time of gaming was just so new & kinda fresh. Then 5 was okay, I was never good at it but remember countless hours of playing Warzone Firefight. I’m glad Infinite made MP more easy and convenient for me and others and yeah I do agree that the sandbox needs to bring back that old school feel. But thankfully MCC is here to stay and be preserved.
Great video, the 360 days really were special in ways many people will never really know. I really do miss just how social it used to be
This is amazing! Thank you Kacey! This is exactly the kind of content the Halo Community needs.
Excellent video dude this does classic Halo so much
28:05 spotted
Oi
a lot of hackers/cheaters this masterchief collection feels more of a cash grab than a game remade with the fans in mind
Thanks for this video, you just got another player on Insignia. I had a modded Xbox and didn't even know this was a thing! thanks so much.
This was a really informative video and I'll probably check out some of the different ways of playing that you mentioned. I played halo a lot growing up and picked it up again when MCC came to PC (to the extent that i've 100%ed the achievements). One of the downsides to the secondary options (and even to the MCC in reality) is that i live in OCE and its rare that i'm not playing on a US West server from Australia. Although it can be a bit tiresome, I can deal with the ping difference. Unfortunately though, my less dedicated friends aren't so forgiving and so it's difficult to get them involved in it. As much as I love Halo, unless a new classic-style halo game comes out (that isnt made by 343 please), It's probably not something that I'll put as much time into moving forward - because gaming is a social thing for me. On top of that, I just kinda want a new classic experience that I can get hyped about and look forward to with my mates.
Anyway, apologies for the rant 😅
Great Video! Hey got a question:
Why is my armor customization not being reflected in Halo Reach?
😁😁😁
MCC is being abandoned by 343, I think most people would be happy to just have new community maps every few months (there are hundreds of community maps ready to go), but 4v4, BTB and Invasion still has community maps rotating from 2011 😕
map veto is also sorely missed
I honestly miss playing the legacy titles on split-screen. The last time I played them in split-screen with my brothers was back in 2015 or so I think. I know it was before we all got an Xbox One. Hits hard in the feels nowadays whenever I get any moods for Halo. So most of the time I'd just play the campaign or something on MCC. Reminiscing the past as I go through the campaigns or matches.
I still hoped that at some point down the line, even with the issues with MCC, I could someday get a good match with people that aren't want to deal with the sweaty lobbies from social matchmaking. But I get nervous to ask people about custom matches. So that would also hurt the experience for me in terms of finding players.
Hopefully, I can do it and find others that are wanting the same thing with these older games. Maybe make more memories as well.
Good video dude
This was a really great video and I wish I had time to hop into any of these services for playing classic Halo.
Although, I do want to ask, have you thought about either doing a video on the legacy and state of both Halo 4&5? Or personally, I think this would be more fun if you ever had the chance. A retrospective on the Halo Communities custom game modes and the legacy of Forge? Going from makeshift infection on Halo 2 in random public lobbies to whole gamemodes made post Halo 3.
I feel like we always talk about forge, but not many delve into the history of the community, custom games and Forge besides saying they're fun. But rather not how it started and how it grew from a few simple ideas.
I considered talking about both H4 and H5 early in the process but decided to keep it to Bungie partially because there’s really not much of a crowd around H4/5, at least that I’m aware of. But if I ever find something around them I’d love to play both more.
Great watch. I never even knew about the modded 360s, used to play a lot of eldewrito
i see kacey upload, i click and enjoy :)
in highschool we had an underground halo 1 ring. one person brought it one a usb and then it was everywhere. it was an all boys highschool so when it started going around it kept going. there was always 5-10 servers of chaos going on every day from 7:00am-2:47pm. halo 1 slug matches during dumbass religion class or during lunch hour taught me how to sweat
Super interesting and useful guide here! I’d like to try some of them out when I finally get some downtime. MCC has been good enough for me, even if it’s less than ideal in a lot of ways.
Did just want to point out that online coop for all of the 360 era Halo games had the same coop latency you described on the MCC though. I was able to grin and bear it back in the day because the novelty of online campaign coop was wonderful as is, but once I got to CE Anniversary and the huge latency was still a thing, I gave up on online coop for those games lol
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Halo 3 was my first experience online gaming ever. The game was Team Slayer on Narrows. One day, I will play a match like that again, and for Halo 2 as well. Thank you for making this video!
8:25 How dare you! I Love that control scheme! I still use it to this day.
Yo the absolute ODDS of this - just last week I invited a ton of friends over for me and my gf's housewarming, we all played Halo: Reach splitscreen on the OG Xbox 360 (first gen spaghetti edition, not the elite). I only just found out today by randomly being recommended a Mint Blitz video that this crazy modding scene has revived multiplayer with their goated coding skills!
It's so funny, I was literally discussing this at the office with a boomer colleague, he doesn't game but is IT literate enough to understand how the internet works quite thoroughly - he said "hmm, couldn't you emulate web functionality by routing X-link (the LAN system link for Xboxes) through a VPN?" I was stunned, I never thought of that, I don't know if that tunneling method is what they used but it would certainly be ingenious.
Anyway, in a few months I plan to do it again - I'm going to get another friend to bring his Xbox, we're going to link them together and join some games on the Reach or Halo 3 Sunrise Classic Servers as an 8-person premade! We range from quite good to absolute potato. I'm so hype for this, I can't wait, finally some Invasion and BTB action!
Also wanted to add, absolutely on point with the economic/management analysis of why Halo is stuck in a rut right now. It's an issue endemic to not just the gaming industry but all creative media in general - film, TV, games, music... Publishers are now just giant conglomerates with too much power, and most of the money (and decision-making) gets funneled into the marketing team, whose sole purpose is to battle other giant companies. The product therefore suffers, and we get locked into this miserable race to the bottom, where fewer and fewer games get made and they are all inispid and lukewarm, flailing about trying to appeal to the broadest audience but not really being genuinely enjoyed by anyone. That's why we now have microstransactions and day-1 DLC, pre-release betas and battle royale everything, instead of good story writing, split-screen couch co-op, memorable music and quality art direction, intelligent level design and engaging gameplay.
I always caveat this with the fact that the indie dev scene has never been better - but obviously because of intellectual property copyright, that won't save our beloved franchises like Halo. Hopefully we see a return to what made it great in the not too distant - and in the meantime, at least awesome modders (and their wider community, like you the video maker and us the viewers!) are keeping the OG games and their spirit alive!
Halo 2 multi isn't nearly as fucked as CE's at this point. Def still has its issues but the game largely resembles its original iteration outside of some specific inconsistencies.
For CE the sandbox itself is fundamentally altered in massive ways due to the lack of care. Still playable, but man its rough.
Amazing breakdown Kacey. Really well put points across the board, especially on the future of Sunrise and Xenia. The only other caveat there is the lack of maintaining hoppers for Xenia, but there's a lot of good info still out there should folks choose to explore it further. The Xenia-netplay fork has also made immense strides (even addressing the arbitration/TrueSkill issues seen in H3), so the future is bright even if it isn't right around the corner.
This is a cool video and while I've never been super big into Halo's multiplayer (and thus, MCC works just fine for me), it's nice that you have options if you want a more authentic experience. It just really fucking sucks that Bungie didn't give an easy method for people to host their own servers and such (or at the very least, instructions on how to set that up) for when the servers eventually died. I really really wish that kind of thing was standard practice in online gaming.
Now if only there were methods to make online co-op play for the campaigns in MCC good to play... I really love the campaigns and co-op is what I play the most... is what I would say if the co-op's netcode wasn't dogshit. I've recently been playing through the games slowly with a friend and we had to go on a fucking journey just to get Halo 2 to load (as well as having disconnects on Halo: CE) and even when loaded, it's still not the best. It sucks that the team responsible for MCC updates (I believe it was Splash Damage, but I know it's not 343 Industries) refuses to attempt to fix it as they say it'd be too big of a task for their small team.
At least you multiplayer folk have some options.
Devs at 343: 3. 4. 3.
Us: 3. 43. 😂😂😂
I love it! Imma start saying it like that from now on.
I hope in your video talking about halo 2 and 3 revival on their og platforms
I wish they still had the reach playlist where you just played the new big team Battle maps again in my opinion they don't come up enough in the map rotation I like that a lot more when it had its own playlist.
As someone who will never get an Xbox console MCC is the primary way to go for me. I've also been interested in Eldewrito the moment I i saw its re-launch and I'm certainly going to look for someone hosting that crazy Ratchet & Clank mod
I haven't gotten to see the video yet, just perusing comments, but before my Eldewrito stopped working on my Steam Deck I also discovered there was a MediEvil game mod as well! (If it wasn't shown)
@@JuiceboxCE I played that yesterday it's okay
Since this video is touching on LANs and some more niche communities, I have to shout out LD50 and the NorCalHalo Discord for hosting LANs primarily focusing on CE consistently for years now.
I had heard very faintly of that scene but I should def add it to the resources, do you have a link?
Hoping that this video has the PC port of CE included 🤞
A reminder that there is a setting to hide the new cosmetics added in Halo 3 MCC (it will just show players using said armors in Mark VI or Combat, depending on their preferred species), though unfortunately it is all or nothing, mean if you like the new visor colors but still want just classic Halo 3 armors shown, you are out of luck.
Yeah that’s why it’s a one line mention. Frustrating I can’t use that ODST stuff without seeing Roman statues everywhere
@@Kaceydotme Also, annoying the Fireteam Raven stuff wasn't added as customization in Halo 3 ODST.
It hurt hearing him say Halo 3 is best on MCC. Just dealing with all of the connection/networking issues that make even custom games play terribly, the hackers that aren't being dealt with, and even the glitches on MCC's multiplayer for Halo 3 where you just suddenly can't damage an enemy? There's no way I can in good faith say it's the best way to play it. And that's even without me bringing up other issues that annoy me that aren't as intrusive, such as Halo 3 (and all the games released after it) on MCC all have tons of visuals glitches/mistakes on MCC that mess up many visuals just like the original CE and 2 PC ports back in the day, but at least 343 seemed to have fixed the visuals of those two on MCC unlike all of the others. It doesn't matter if there's a tiny bit of host advantage in original Halo 3 (especially when it really isn't anywhere as bad as the video makes it out to be) and the issues of MCC far outweigh that to the point I don't get why he just flat out ignored them. It's the most played one, but also the most flawed one on MCC.
When the fuck did I say it was the best way to play it? I’ve not had any of these issues you’re talking about with h3…
24:37 Actually you dont need anymore specialized chips for moding MOST of xbox 360, just wires and a Raspeberry Pico. Yes, prescise soldering is still required, but its not than obnoxious than before.
LFGGGGGGGGGG KACEY BEEN WAITING ON THIS
11:25 hold up, ain't you nathaniel b?
Thank you for this video Kacey. Well documented & well said. Hope to see you on the virtual battlefield again soon. ♥
-iDuL
I played halo 2 on signia on xemu with a 7900 xtx and 7800x3d and it felt pretty damn good tbh. I would recommend those with beefy PCs try that before getting an Xbox.
Damn Kacey has a *real* physical 360, that's really surprising for me to hear...;)
00:04 🎮 Overview of Halo Franchise Evolution
Halo franchise revolutionized console shooters in the 2000s.
2010s saw decline in Halo's prominence due to development issues and industry shifts.
Master Chief Collection (MCC) attempted to revive classic Halo experience but faced significant technical issues.
02:41 🛠 Challenges with Master Chief Collection (MCC)
MCC plagued by technical issues, including bugs, poor matchmaking, and subpar game ports.
Player base shifted away from MCC due to frustrations with gameplay experience.
Despite issues, MCC offers improved graphics, custom games, and mod support.
04:35 🕹 Exploring Halo: Combat Evolved (HCE)
HCE pioneered console shooters, setting the stage for future Halo games.
MCC version of HCE suffers from net code problems, impacting gameplay experience.
Modding community enhances MCC HCE experience with custom maps and sessions.
09:09 🎮 Options for Playing Halo: Combat Evolved (HCE)
Original Xbox offers authentic HCE experience via system link play.
Online play for HCE via land tunneling presents challenges due to net code issues.
Modded versions like Halo NH cater to competitive play, enhancing online experience.
12:04 🌐 Keeping Halo 2 Alive
Halo 2 revolutionized online multiplayer but faced shutdown of Xbox Live in 2010.
Fan projects like Project Cartographer and Insignia revive Halo 2 multiplayer experience.
Authentic Halo 2 experience achieved through original Xbox system link play or Insignia service.
18:36 🔥 Enduring Legacy of Halo 3
Halo 3 remains iconic in gaming history, with dedicated multiplayer community.
MCC version of Halo 3 offers improvements like dedicated servers but lacks some original playlists.
Despite flaws, Halo 3 multiplayer remains popular due to its timeless gameplay mechanics.
21:41 🔧 Custom Halo 3 Maps and Project Sunrise
Many players dislike the custom maps forced in Halo 3 matchmaking.
Project Sunrise restores Halo 3's matchmaking servers, offering an authentic experience.
Hosting matches on Sunrise requires modified Xbox 360 consoles and poses technical challenges.
23:16 🌅 Features and Limitations of Project Sunrise
Project Sunrise allows players to earn achievements, customize armor, and play original playlists.
Hosting on Sunrise necessitates modified Xbox 360 consoles and involves security risks.
The future of Sunrise is uncertain due to potential Xbox Live shutdowns and challenges with emulation.
28:52 🎮 Halo Reach in Master Chief Collection
Halo Reach's inclusion in MCC offers improved performance and netcode.
MCC lacks the original Xbox 360 menu experience, affecting nostalgia.
Reach's progression and leveling system changes in MCC, impacting the original experience.
32:09 ⚠ Challenges with Halo Reach on Project Sunrise
Sunrise partially supports Halo Reach, but significant issues persist, including matchmaking and customization limitations.
A CZcamsr's premature coverage of Reach Sunrise led to community disruption and developer departure.
Halo Reach on Xbox 360 remains playable but lacks the enhanced experience of MCC.
Saved you 40 min.
alternatively instead of reading/writing all this, you could watch the video
are you a real person
14:53 Hi mom, I'm on TV
Makes me wish I still had my OG xbox
COLD SHOULDER?! That is kind of funny.
When you said the truth as casually as people say falsehoods in other videos, I smiled and gave a salute. Yes, Halo has always used projectiles, not just hitscan, even if those projectiles were crazy fast sometimes. THANK YOU. Earned yourself a sub.
I played a bit of h2 insignia via xemu when it first dropped. Good nostalgia kick, but unfortunately I stopped because it runs like such ass on xemu like you showed
Gotta get yourself an OG Xbox. Not just for Halo 2, but the wide variety of really cool games like Mech Assault, Black, some older CoDs, etc.
@@TheVengefulVadam my next purchases are going to be a variety of older consoles :)
8:27 You misplaced the "asinine control scheme" part and accidentally put it in the Halo PC section! In all seriousness, I love the default control scheme for Halo PC, only changes I make is to put crouch on shift, weapon switch on Q and zooming on the scroll wheel for MCC
That's me at 15:06 🎉
7:54 Hey, that map looks familiar!
when it comes to the emulation part it runs smother once you have loaded each map a couple times because you need to cache in alot of the sounds and what nots. after like 30 min of playing the emulator solution had no issues but again i ended up just modding my own xbox still wanna get that 1tb ssd upgrade with hdmi into it oneday and have all my discs backed up just incase of disc rot but yeah real hardware is awesome but as optical media slowly rots and pirating becomes the only solution emulation isnt a bad option assuming you have something rather new pc, i am playing on a rtx 3060 12gb model and a i7-11th gen with 32gb of ram so im def capable of runing every emulator thats ment to run well but just have fun and tinker with what you got.
no way its the real kacey
dot me, even
have hug
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I still have fun playing classic halo with friends, just sometimes have to deal with sweats and toxic modern gamers
oh hey i've seen TwoCaribous around before.
The title update ruined Halo reach, each BTB game became team snipers with how accurate the DMR is. Now if you poke your head out for 0.2 seconds you'l be cross mapped by 5 people
24:06 i genuinely kind of wished you mentioned RGH 3 being new though because its a whole lot easier to mod the console now (still need to solder a few wires), and you can read the nand with a pi pico which are really cheap
It’s still far beyond what the average person is comfortable doing themselves
@@Kaceydotme that is true, but im willing to argue it's at least more accessible now that you don't need a modchip anymore
For a while before 343 updated the mcc's Playlist navigation, it would just only be h3 on 9/10 rotation games. I joked that they should called it the Halo 3 collection because thats all that was in the Playlist. Im a btb player so i only liked 3 & reaches btb multiplayer. Other than that i prefer campaign over multiplayer.
Honestly Im just going to stick to mcc, but its nice to know that there exist other options to play these classics
Why isn't my Halo reach customizations working?
"is cancelling 9 other people's games a dick move? Yeah. But so is deluting what is supposed to be a remaster of a game with your own designs that few like and fewer asked for"
That is not the case. Ive been on enough forums to see the halo online, Halo Dorito, and console players praise these with the nay sayers resort to spamming the same topic to try abd drown out the players who supported it.
Idk man.
I hope Insignia supports modded 360 in the future, can't convince myself to get a whole other console for a single game.
Buy a PC
PC can buy any modern game, do work, great graphics
Modding is definitely not coming to 360
It's not possible
@@joerowland9128 I have a moded Xbox 360
Three Fourty Three is not how you say that lmao
I think Xenia is actually in a pretty good spot with emulation in performance. There are RPCS3 games my current rig [which is not amazing but still] cannot run certain games, while Xenia out of even stuff id consider beefy ran pretty well, hell even GTA V... minus the crashes for that one.
Scaling is another thing tho, i can defo increase resolution on RPCS3 without my rig dying while Xenia is... only happy if its on default.
by the sounds of your complaints MCC would have EXTREMELY both in gameplay and financially benefitted from a veto system and let you que for multiple game sizes at once not just modes (this is extremly possible, TF2 lets you do this and that came out in 2007). You said you didn't like the new cosmetics but what you didn't mention is you can toggle seeing those off in your settings.
Just downloaded halo mcc how do I play the old maps on multiplayer it all seems abit confusing ?
Wdym just matchmake
yeah it contributed
anyways nice video lol
never say never
I think may be the current matchmaking is broken some times I will find very fast some time not at the same times of days even though the player count seems balanced.
Lmao, 3 43 should be their new name XD
Kacey came back from getting the milk!
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Im currently doing a full playthrough in ce on Easy as I used to play that as a kid and I realized I REALLY want ce style game with maybe a FEW new additions .... Backpack reloading? Yes please! Switch weapon after an animation finishes if you hit Y before the animation finishes??? YES PLEASE... halo 3 does that but infinite you HAVE to wait for animations to finish before the next action ffs it ruins the fun and puts more load onto at least me .. I just wanna have the character to do what I get it to do without having to time actions to the mere milliseconds
Usin xemu to play ce ... Almost perfect
Reach > 3
Idk why youre saying CE was never made for Internet play when the Original PC version and the Demo came with Online Multiplayer. You could probably still find Halo CE Demo servers to this day
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Because it wasn’t. The PC version came out two years later.
@@Kaceydotme True, even then it ran on dedicated servers and in some ways has better hit reg than how MCC has done the NetCode.
I’m about to buy a modded halo Xbox
all i can really play at this point is play MCC and Infinite multiplayer. sucks that i cant play the best way to play halo multiplayer. but i dont have the money or motivation to set up old consoles, so ill settle with MCC and Infinite.
i want to add onto this that im playing on a steam deck. meaning i get workshop!