Deadbolt vs Base Camp: Performance & Value!
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- The Axial SCX10 II Deadbolt is back with new electronics, updated plastics and new tires. It's also the cheapest 1/10 scale RTR crawler in the Axial stable. Even the SCX10 III Base Camp is $50 more than the Deadbolt.
The Base Camp has some decent running gear and looks better on paper than the Deadbolt, with:
- portal axles
- a better radio transmitter
- arguably better tires
- metal links and shock bodies, and
- licensed bumpers.
But then, the Deadbolt is lightweight and packs the same tough drive train and nearly the same electronics package but for $50 less. Straight axles give it a lower center of gravity, too.
So, which is the better buy? The truth will come out either way on the rocks. Which one crawls better and does the Deadbolt offer worse, equal or better value for money when considering crawling performance? We sure want to find out!
Let's test!
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Chapters:
0:00 Basic Base Camp?
0:20 Axial SCX10 II Deadbolt
0:45 Base Camp vs Deadbolt
1:04 About the Deadbolt
8:55 6-Problem Rock Test
21:12 Test Debrief
23:00 Is Deadbolt Worth It?
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I’ve got both and would recommend the basecamp for anyones first 1/10 scale rig. The small differences make the decision. (Links, radio, portals,etc)
The value is definitely there on paper. The question is one of performance. At least for the same money spent, we'll look into that next video. Soon after that we'll look into mild upgrades for both and see how well they both do with the minimal common performance upgrades people might do.
They're both great starter rigs that can hold their own with other rigs, no doubt.
yes because Basecamp is the latest version - that makes sense
The beauty of this channel is that, even with lower grade equipment, the level of detail into its features, capabilities, and overall dedication to giving it a fair overview of its performance, makes it always a compeling review, even if I have no interest in the product. That's commendable, Craig! Congrats!!
Thanks man, appreciate that!
@@RCTNT "Just the facts, your Honour!"✌🏻☺️
Great unbiased review man. Your reviews and tips are very helpful. Thanks for doing them.
You're totally welcome! I love doing this kind of video and I'm so glad people find them useful. Thanks for the encouragement!
Craig is back! Well these are the kinds of videos you make that I enjoy anyway haha. Really great to see a comparison between these two.
Aw you didn't have to do that yet again! Thank you kindly, Scott. I've got more stuff coming that you'll probably enjoy. Cheers
Getting one of these on a trade today, so here we are lol. I like your multiple "problems" for testing rigs. I do something similar on my home course to base how changes or new rigs stack up. I recall watching one of your videos awhile back. Threw a sub your way. Cheers!
Thanks Bob, good to have you here. Enjoy your new rig! Exciting!
Nice video. Good job. Been watching quite a few of your vids lately and I'm enjoying the experience. Well done. John.
Thanks John
Thanks for the review. You help a great deal on trying to decide what rig to buy!
Oh great, thanks for letting me know. I like to be helpful in these decisions! Cheers
I'd go deadbolt just based on looks, but I'm not the target market for either one really.
I was enjoying your commentary on this one. It was reminding me of a sports commentator who finds things to talk about in a relaxed way even when not much is happening.
Great little review of both RTR kits. Very helpful for someone new to the hobby to understand what to look for in kits and what makes a great crawler out of the box. Knowing what spares to expect and what electronics is important too. Keep up the simple content for those without huge rc budgets. Would there be another shell that fits that isnt the 'racer look' more factory cab?
Thanks Hadyn, glad you enjoyed it. Most 313mm bodies will fit the Deadbolt and it includes a few body mounting options as well as the default setup. You're generally safe with any crawler to buy a body based on wheelbase and 313mm is the most common (though they vary so it's an idea to check your vehicle before buying a body). But yes, most popular crawler bodies will fit this thing, no worries.
Very thorough. Class act review
Thank you! I appreciate the support :)
Great comparison vid. I do not have a Basecamp, but I do have the green Deadbolt which I like alot. I did add a little bit of weight but not much. The best mod has been swapping in the Fusion Pro. The stock motor work great but my local hobby shop had one in stock so I got it.👍👍👍
I bet that woke it up a bit, haha! Fun and practical upgrade, that. I bet you're a fan of hobbywing now if you weren't before!
Can’t wait to see what you do with it. I got the Deadbolt a couple months ago when they were on clearance to make room for these new ones. It was $240 USD. My first 1/10 anything and it’s been great. Waiting to see what you do with yours and I’ll probably follow along.
Excellent! It's a brilliant platform and doesn't take a lot to make it competitive at a local level. Stay tuned :)
I have an OG Deadbolt and love it. The 10.3 Basecamp looks great and I'm considering it after my current pro comp power wagon build.
I had one too. They're brilliant rigs.
Nice comparison I always look forward to your input & the test course. You put it through its paces for sure. This just reinforces the simple is good thing. I’ve had RTR’s & did upgrades but in the end did it actually hurt the performance because these simpler crawlers are very good. I have the 1:10 scale Honcho on the SCX 2 platform & stock with plastic links did good. I’ve since replaced the plastic links for metal & upgraded the servo & it just seems to want to go over everything. It’s a super fun truck. It’ll be interesting to see it perform with upgrades. And I can’t see how anybody would prefer the Basecamp body style compared to the Deadbolt. Also any progress with the Marksmen hopefully we get a update. I haven’t had mine out so I’ll definitely get it out I was using it a lot so it’s nice to rest it.
I share your appreciation for simplicity. There's a lot of performance to be unlocked from the deadbolt with minimal changes, while the base camp is already refined in such a way that its great out of the box but limited in how much further you can take it.
Got the Marksman out on the trail after an upgrade recently. Haven't finished editing that video yet as I've been worried it isn't interesting enough. Might just publish it as an extra rather than as part of my usual schedule, that way people who want to see it can do so!
@@RCTNT Well I know on Facebook etc. the Marksmen has a pretty good following. I think it’s plagued with a lack of support by the aftermarket. Most upgrades are cosmetic. I think that is a big reason it’s not seen as much. I love watching the Marksmen out on the trails & love the sound it makes. I’d like to see Redcat come out with a New version of it.
Cool review in awesome backdrop! Not in the market for either of these any time soon, I am in the market for fun videos form RC-TNT! Thanks 😁✌
Aw shucks, thank you
lol someone needs to cut their grass! ;) I like how you are going slow with the problems again Craig...Hearing your thinking and hints / tips on doing the 6 problems / 10 gates is always appreciated.
As a vid, I would also be interested in your thinking on setting up your course, as I'm looking at doing my own up here in the Perth hills...
Heh, it's springtime here and ten minutes after you cut the grass it's already at ankle height again! It's just that time of year - I'm doing it every weekend. Gotta get in the little patches amongst those rocks though, yeah!
Setting up a course? You have some epic rocky ground in your area - I was at the 2018 Worlds just out from Perth, that gorge area was amazing. Honestly, just think about having a few sets of different challenges and craft a bit of a trail between them and boom, one crawling course! Add bigger rocks that combine to give multiple 'lines' and you then have some flexibility too. A bit of space, then lots of testing and playing around and you'll find your way forward :)
A local shop had the Deadbolt on sale for $229 USD. That seems to be a much more realistic price and it was stupid of me to pass it up. Already have a Base Camp and we love it!
They're both excellent!
Deadbolt best bang for your buck !
It's definitely up there, particularly in the Performance category!
Hands down, my favorite Axial rtr is still the Jeep 2000 XJ!!! Because it has the original AX10 three gear transmission! With the plastic Gears. And the icing on the cake, is the 3 piece Axles. I have not bought a new Axial rtr since they have discontinued the XJ!!! Just can't bring myself to buy into less is more...
I miss that axle design and I also love the old transmission. Have a few after market ones of the same design too. A good era for the SCX10, wasn't it.
That dif is like fingers down a chalk board 😂
Been contemplating the deadbolt, as like the open style bodyshell, but after seeing the chassis in more detail, I think i'll give it a miss.
Not saying it doesn't perform etc, but feels like the pocket would get hurt upgrading it Lol.
Thanks as always 😍👍
We'll see! I don't how how much it'll take to get the deadbolt to a comp level.. Well that's not true, actually, I do know and it's about the same for any rig. But for local comps, quite honestly I suspect wheels and tires would be enough to make it competitive. We'll start there next video and after that we'll look at basic upgrades for both to see how they perform with similar mods.
We open up the tires and installed BB's for a bb gun or pellet gun, we put enough in to make some weight, remove the foam if it has some, works wonders
Glad you're happy with that mod. I'm not a fan of that method as it ruins higher throttle inputs - but if you never go faster than a crawl speed, that's a nifty old trick, isn't it 👍
I went to buy the deadbolt, they had a New 1/10 Honcho for $260. I grabbed it up!😜
Oh very nice! I'd have done the same :)
I was torn between these 2 for my 5 year old twins. I chose the basecamp soley because of the portals. Picked up two for $360 each. I cant wait to take my boys crawling.
Wow, legendary deal there! Nice one, those should give your kids hours of fun!
10:48, I'm learning from you! When you said it might need some weight down low I thought "wheel weights" and voila, 2.2 m/s later you say "wheel weights" lol
The XJ Deuce was perfect for me!!! 😎
I have swapped brand names from Axial to Traxxas, and am on Sport #4. I love the Sport rtr's just not really happy with the extra $30. But I have not broken any of the 4 yet!
Tough rigs aren't they :)
Very good instructional video 👍 Thanks for sharing 😁 my friend🤝👌
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
@@RCTNT 👍😆
Excellent video as usual 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 and well, after watching it, my respect for this Deadbolt because it's just super capable straight out of the box, but I think it maybe (kind like better option) if who wants get into Axial Scx ii platform, could get some used one or second hand one for 200/250$ +o-... Because other wise, I think it maybe better option just put 50$ more and get the Basecamp... 🤔 Or... Go with my personal favorite... The RC King Element Enduro HD👑💪🏻
Element's current round of rigs are incredible, yeah! But so is the basic axial range. I'm looking forward to seeing where we can take this thing next, both it and the BC.
The deadbolt is highly UNDERRATED
Many people rate it highly but maybe the folks new to crawling haven't been exposed to how capable it really is. We'll certainly get to that very soon!
i am a bit premature here as still playing vid, but i thought the Base Camp had portal axles .
Oof, good catch! I totally overlooked that in this whole video. You're quite right.
Well, personal preference I suppose, as portal and straight axles each have their pros and cons. Thanks for picking that up, I'll make a note in the video description. Cheers
@@RCTNT you did mention it to a degree , but for me the 50 bux difference in price is worth it for the portal axles , but i'm into TRX4's , i dont own an Axial lol
@@Island_Times thanks, I did show it clearly but never outright mentioned it - a loss in this particular video! (I have more trx4 and trx6 rigs here then Axials too, I get you!)
@@RCTNT A future follow up video could highlight the straight V's the portals when further comparing the 2 once you've added the bit of weight etc that you mentioned .
@@Island_Times I may then do a straight vs portal with all else being equal, that's a good idea
Great vid. How did you eliminate the clicking in the diffs?
Thanks! I ignored the clicking for the sake of fair evaluation of the new rig. I will deal with it the same way I dealt with it on others - see this video here from the SCX10.3 JLU build, same problem, same solution: czcams.com/video/Hi4HLd21s98/video.html
I just picked up a Basecamp for my kid. I was having second thoughts and was wondering if I should’ve gotten the Deadbolt. From what I see in this video, I think I made the right choice. That being said I do like the body of the Deadbolt better…
Thanks again bud!
The extra value on the base camp makes it a worthy choice. I like the deadbolt body better too, but the base camp is the better vehicle, yes!
For the cost of a Base Camp that would nearly cover the cost a Deadbolt plus a SCX24 Deadbolt in the UK 🇬🇧 Good vids 👍
Heh yep a no brainer to go deadbolt over base camp in the case!
This an interesting comparison. I think that Horizon/Tower have put the Deadbolt on sale occasionally. I think the Deadbolt body is much better looking. I would like to know how companies determine pricing.
The Deadbolt on sale would be a real good deal!
@@RCTNT I'll watch for a sale.
Can you do a base camp budget upgrades and repeat performance video?
I'll do that for both, yep. Looking forward to seeing how they both go!
Ciao, sono sempre io! Avrei due domande, scusami: ché batteria hai utilizzato sul Deadbolt in questo video e come va questo radiocomando?
You would think that as time goes on in rc the cars would get more advanced, more scale and just better overall.
I think this is the case, especially since building some tamiya models recently. Progress may not be as fast as we thought it might be, but rc cars are definitely better and more capable than ever these days!
So for 50 you get a more attractive body,portals,better radio,metal links and bigger contact patch with the wider tires. Not sure I'm seeing the value in the deadbolt unless you are a diehard straight axle person.
Yep, that's a good summary.
The notchiness in the AR44 in reverse is due to the high pinion.. Not an issue in operation
Sure, but I've still always fixed it with spacers. It skips gears under enough resistance, which I would call an issue - but you can absolutely ignore it and just drive it, which is what I did on this video! Cheers
@@RCTNT Shimming is necessary. The issue is most pronounced with the driveshafts disconnected, as the high pinion will "climb" in reverse. With the driveshafts connected and properly shimmed, AR44 is a great axle. Large steering range. Use them on my comp trucks. Especially good with Vanquish ring and pinions.
Thanks Scott, good info and I agree. I didn't know the Vanquish gears fit the AR44 axles, though - missed that when I read your post before. Good to know!
(Also, you're quite good at explaining things!)
@@RCTNT they make a standard 8/30 set and an under drive set along with their own 6 bolt locker. Definitely worth the upgrade once you’ve worn out the sintered stock gears.
Thanks for the tip! Will do
sorry to be a pain but what would you prefer the base camp or a sendero
Not a pain at all, that's a great question. It's so good I may have to do a video on it because I don't know the answer.
Not too long ago I did a comparison between the Base Camp, Ecto, TRX4 Sport and RGT Pioneer. That might give you an indication of the general performance of these things, but it doesn't give a direct comparison between the two you're looking at.
Find that 4-way here: czcams.com/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/video.html
In short, I'd suggest Base Camp for all round use and Sendero for mostly technical crawling. Going with personal preference is also quite acceptable as there's not much between them for performance.
I love the look of the Deadbolts. But does the Basecamp win? You do get more for an extra $50 though? Right? :)
Stock vehicle vs stock vehicle, yes, the BC does outcrawl the Deadbolt - but only just. Next video, we'll drop about $50 into the Deadbolt to bring them both to outlay parity and then we'll see who's camp bolt is dead based!
@@RCTNT Nice :) Can't wait.
I would say the Base Camp is worth the extra money if you plan to ever add a winch. The SLT3 is actually quite good for that with its momentary toggle for the 3rd channel. That being said, the Deadbolt is great for the money and you can do well with $50 for RC crawler upgrades. I agree metal wheels and/or some weight down low would help performance. Then I wonder if a link riser in the back would help with the forward drive when it's wanting to lift the front wheel. I'm curious why go higher turns vs a lower tooth pinion? Maybe this one is already at 11 teeth?
I like Holmes' approach of 'volt up, gear down' and starting with a higher turn motor when it already feels fast helps keep it reasonable for crawling. You could certainly just drop a tooth on the pinion instead, assuming it has that space to spare (haven't checked yet).
Performance wise, my suspicion is the deadbolt will be the better crawler over the base camp if both have similar running gear and upgrades, but I could be wrong! I'm looking forward to finding out!
@@RCTNT Fair! I like the adaptation of the Holmes adage. We're not going 4S so higher turns is a good place to start for smoothness
@@Andy_Yates I like 4s but don't go higher than that on crawlers. Smoothness for the win, but a burst of speed on tap is good to have in the back pocket!
@@RCTNT Agreed, 4S is a great place to be on crawlers for a brushless setup. 4S direct power servos are beastly too :)
Aren't they just
Hey mate, is the base camp worth $100 more? The deadbolt is $449 at metrohobbies atm
Well I think so, what with the portal axles, better tyres, metal links, better radio system... But the deadbolt is also great value and at metro's ebay store its $415 with eBay Plus member $25 discount:
www.ebay.com.au/itm/325522788310
@@RCTNT oh nice that price is even better, fair bit cheaper
'that's not a knoif, THIS is a knoif" lol
I see you've played knifey-spooney before mate
@@RCTNT NO, dude, that's from the movie Crocodile Dundee! I can't belief you missed the reference!
I referenced The Simpsons parody of that scene from CD. I didn't miss the reference, I just went a level deeper, haha
@@RCTNT Well, I can honestly say I have never watched one episode of the simpsons so I wouldn't get the reference. Hence why it went RIGHT ova ma head! haha
Heh fair enough. I haven't watched it in many years but seasons 3 to 8 were peak Simpsons and it's where this reference is found too :)
Croc Dundee wasn't the pop culture phenomenon here like it was in the USA but I have seen it and of course, we hear the references from USA people frequently even now. Made quite an impact, that one!
Naice Review.
I'm very sorry that Axial is getting further behind in its "new" RC Crawler/Scale models, frankly price for price there is already much more and (I dare say) better offer Traxxas/Absima/MST etc etc etc.
Thanks.
For the price I can't think of many rigs that could out-perform the Deadbolt, but I can think of three: the RGT Pioneer EX86110, the Element Ecto and the Sendero HD. For similar money there are quite a few other options that are similar in capability though - but that probably varies around the world, as pricing seems to be somewhat inconsistent across markets. In any case, I've found the deadbolt to be solid. Looking forward to seeing where we can take it next.
@@RCTNT Totaly agree. For the praice here the RGT Pionner (€260,00) is a very cool Rig and the Ecto are in €399 and de Axial €360/370 so...
@@pandacrawler6x6 that makes the Pioneer a compelling choice, then!
@@RCTNT Indeed :-D
Man I've been buying axles, frames, motors, tires since Xmas. This is behind 3 other very expensive hobbies. I should have 3 10 scales ready to paint within a month and a half but I'm wondering if Amazon is over charging for the rtr ones. I really want a red cat everest model. I live in Canada and our dollar is weirdly worth a bit more than yours given the friends I have in that part of the worth and sending them stuff and also buying gear from Dave Jones haha.
Where is your go to store? I'm not sure if youre speaking in US dollars because our customs tariffs from the US are disgusting to the point where no one I know orders anything from there. A 30usd nozzle for a 3d printer was gonna be 165cad last time I went to order something so I ordered it from the uk instead. Canadian customs are horrible. Friends in the US pay out the ass to ship to me and I pay next to nothing. Anyway rant aside. I have a budget of around 400cad I already have transceivers and batteries. I've come to learn the ali express route is bs due to poor qa and nothing is on-sale all the time like it seems.
I just spent almost 5 k on a rigol oscilloscope and I'm sending it back haha. You'd think a company in the scientific community would have decent qa. Dji can do it. Haha. Great channel sorry for the rant
Ah wow that's pretty rough, eh. I buy a lot of my cars from ebay, new, as in Australia they regularly have sales of between 17% and 22% off. I understand ebay wears half of that and the seller the other half. It results in getting things for prices that simply cannot be matched without the help of eBay taking the hit as they do. Dunno how profitable it is for them but ebay has powered at least half the cars on my channel, maybe more.
I have a list of hobby shops I love but my favourite is probably Asiatees. Of course, they're a lot closer to Australia than to North America, so postage isn't as bad to here as I understand it can be to you guys. Cheers
I just picked one of these up, So far it's a meh truck. My Rochobby Atlas 4x4 is a better, more capable truck. I did stick a HW 1080 in it though. That's the next step for the Axial DB.
Sorry the deadbolt has been disappointing. Hope your mods make it better!
Of course it’s no surprise that Basecamp much superior that deadbolt which is based on scx10 ll
3 being newer than 2 doesn't automatically make it better, though. Not all changes are performance oriented, and that's why I went into this one without assumptions.
I do wonder whether putting the same tires on both might yield a different result, too. I may do that for all 4 1/10 Axial variants I have here (Deadbolt, BC, JLU & SCX10 Pro), that might be interesting!
@@RCTNT latest version always better the previous LOL no review needed LOL
Fair enough. I prefer to come in without assumptions, as sometimes that isn't the case. But you're usually going to be correct there, so fair enough! Cheers
@@RCTNT it would be interesting if Basecamp vs trx4 sport if u have trx4 sport cool
Done: czcams.com/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/video.html
With the New Element at 299$ I’m wondering where that will stand against these 2. Interesting.
Me too! As soon as I can get my hands on one we'll find out!
"it's loose and small" that's what she said!
I suppress the urge to say it every time there's an opening for it because it's not my thing on these videos (Matt already has it covered in the crawler space and I don't want to seem derivative), but that doesn't mean I'm not thinking it every time!!
@@RCTNT Yeah I used to drive my ex gf batty with it......along with many MANY other off colour jokes!
The essence of life
@@RCTNT I was working with a couple of guys today and I was telling dad jokes. I said "My ex gf rolled her eyes and shook her head at me so often she gave herself vertigo" lol
I knew we'd get along just fine
thats the same controller that you get from a scx24
And it's fine, too. I like it.
I’d take a deadbolt over the basecamp all day long
I'm looking forward to developing a more informed opinion on the base camp but my long experience with the deadbolt is that it's a superb performer that can be modified easily to be very competitive. More videos soon!
It's nothing similar
What's that? The two rigs you mean?
Gday mate, another interesting vid. Not sure if youve had much to do with the early bronco, but i got mine yesterday and the dig servo died the first time i tried it. Do you know of any alternatives to the spektrum servo that would last longer than about 10 seconds ??
To me the Basecamp is a yawner 🥱.
Just a rebodied & renamed version of the Gladiator.
The price and simpler transmission are attractive though. It will outperform the Gladiator with similar level of mods - indeed, it already out performs it on my tests here, as shown in previous videos.
I do get where you're coming from though and I'd have the Gladiator over the BC if I had to choose.
@@RCTNT
Well, at least they got the clicking noise fixed in the original 10.3 trans.
It comes from the diffs, at least the one I showed, and it was present in the SCX10.3 rigs I have here too (all 3 of them). Fixed easily enough but yeah, not the best!
@@RCTNT
Ahh... that mesh issue you mentioned?
Last I heard from a channel called EXOCAGED RC, he thought it was the tollerances in the transmission. Either was it's a very good platform. I just dont personally get excited about a few minor changes, a different body, & a new name. That's just me. It's like modern 1:1 vehicles. They're basically all the same as far as reliability & warranties go, so the only choice is what wrapper do you want on it.
The clicking I'm referring to is definitely the diffs. Been like that since they released the new helical design over the original SCX10 setup, quite some years ago now.
I've got enough different rigs here to be able to say there's quite a bit of variation underneath the different bodies and having tried to scratch build various rigs over the years, some chassis, axle and transmission designs are far superior to others.
Sure is nice to have the choice, in any case! I'll have to look into the trans manufacturing clearances, I can't recall encountering that. It may very well be the case! Thanks for the tip.