The Tomb of Horrors is the Best Dungeon Ever
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- Professor DM walks through The Tomb of Horrors, giving his tips for preparing and running this class scenario. Guest starring Baron DeRopp, Ben Milton, Bob World Builder, Brandish Gilhelm, Kelsey Dionne, Luke Gygax, Luke Hart, Seth Skorkowsky & Trevor Devall. (Episode #403)
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Fantastic video, Professor. Thank you for letting me take part.
Thank you for bringing back pseudopod Seth 😁
Still the best Gygax impression ever.
He learned that in a Cincinnati truck stop.
You sir are a gem to this hobby Seth,
thank u for sharing this planet with us
I had never previously contemplated a Gary Gygax/Randy Savage chimera. Thanks for expanding my consciousness.
👏 👏 👏 👏 Bravo!!!! Wonderful!!!! Author!!!!
Seth Skorkowsky is a national treasure. 'Nuff said.
@@w.lewisblack2704 he is.
I'm a simple man, I see Seth doing something, I watch it!
If you build it, they will come.
I hope they're using your terrain Wyloch! that setup & vids are legendary++
I can't tell you how many times I watched your videos on this. I ended up making my own, but made it out of wood. The two hallways are on either side of each other, so once they get to the second hallway you just flip over the first. I did the same thing with the chapel room and the thrown room but had to modify them slightly so they were the same size. Same thing with the room with the vats and the false treasure room. The rest of the dungeon was the 1.25" system with the exception of the lava pit and the misty grotto. I can't lay the whole dungeon out at once, but it makes it much more transportable.
so true
Howdy Wyloch! Love your builds! You inspired me to finish my sculpt of the DCC core rulebook intro dungeon. Keep creating and playing bud!
What a lovely combo this video draws together.
You've done builds for the first two S modules, I'll be waiting for your Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth build!
"Death AND humiliation, which is what we like to call 'Adventure'!"
Absolutely.
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 My guess is that XP to Level 3's players were all people who have mainly played 5e. I have noticed with folks that have got their start playing 5e (or at best PF1) there is this mentality that you don't need to use any caution or tactics when exploring a room.
I think it comes from the fact that 5e has done a lot to remove or mitigate the exploration pillar of D&D. There are some many passive abilities, powers, and spells that make exploration almost negliible
"...super easy. Barely an inconvenience."
Pitch Meeting references are TIGHT!
Executive: Why do we need another edition of D&D? The old one is still popular. WoTC Producer: because money. Executive: Very good. Proceed.
"So, you have a new D&D Edition for me?"
"Yes, sir, I do! Well... Kind of."
yui spotted
I knew this would be a great video when Seth Skorkowsky turned up as a coked-up Gygax to explain the adventure.
Why? Because it’s FANTASY!
Excellence in action!
Yeah this was terrific ...
It wasn't pure gold, it was platinum! This video is worth watching for that alone!
I remember a story from a Con with Gary where another DM was running Tomb of Horrors. The party got the crown and scepter that disintegrated whoever was wearing the crown, put it on the skull, and activated it. The DM didn't know what to do and thought no way would Gary allow that to work on a demilich, so he paused the game to ask Gary. Gary just said "Yeah, he's dead" and turned back around to the game he was running.
Seems like he was as eager to kill his BBEG as he was to kill PCs. Which is fair tbh
Seth's performance is 11/10. No notes.
The amount of things you can learn at a Cincinnati truck stop is astounding.
OMG Seth was Spectacular!
I don't think I understand his humour - I had to skip through the bit
Throwing Acererak in the green devil face is the most amazing thing I have ever heard!!!
My hobbits is tricksy.
Poetic justice!
I really, really hate to say this but -- someone read the adventure in advance. That's the problem with all these stories -- it's like taking a test when the answers have been available for over 40 years. It doesn't mean anything to go through the tomb of horrors now.
@@quantus5875I caught that too. These players seemed to know enough about the dungeon and what the riddle meant for their first time playing it. And how, exactly, did they know what was in the green devil face to know to chuck Acerak in it?
@@Dj84JA2 they stuck a torch into it, he said that
Goodnight, Deathbringer!
Thanks for the cameo!
Dittos
I bought 'Return to the Tomb of Horrors', which came with the Original Module, and I used to run the full adventure for people outside the lunchroom at High School using 2e AD&D.
Years later, I remember people telling me that the module was unfair and unbeatable, and then calling me a liar when I told them how multiple groups of teenagers simply completed it through trial and error.
Nobody ever reached the Lost City of Moil, however. But that was because we all graduated at the end of the school year and not for lack of trying.
Thanks for sharing.
I DMed that box set for my characters back in the late 90’s. Haha! Almost a total part kill. They never even made it to the actual tomb. The gate to the Necromancers City had I think wail of the banshee that issued from the gate golems mouth and really hurt the players. They continued on into the city and were finally surrounded by hordes of undead and necromancers. They were a party of 4, each 15th level or higher. And the only one who survived was a 16th level fighter mage who had a spell already cast on him that teleported him back to his tower when he went to 0 hps 😂. So I guess I’ve only “kinda” ran the Tomb of Horrors lol.
Return to the Tomb is a fantastic campaign, tremendously brutal. 5e’s Tomb of Annihilation is actually one of the more solid 5e products.
Completing it through trial and error doesn't exactly refute the "unfair and unbeatable"
@@MilkmanOfTheApocalypseExactly. The Tomb can be brute forced even by first level characters if you bring a fat enough stack of character sheets. Not a great design.
DM's like you and Seth are a blessing to this community! While we all have our adventures/dungeons we would rather avoid, it's still important to understand where this hobby came from. And Tomb of Horrors is absolutely one of the big boys that propelled the game into its current fandom.
Thank you for your support.
What a weenie lmaoooooo
You could have gotten Ryan from Pitch Meeting to say "Super Easy, Barely an Inconvenience!"
In the darkness of unnamed horrors
In a lonely forest
A human stands alone in front of a Lich
The lichs voice announcing a thousand deaths says:
"SO... I HEARD YOU WANT TO BUILD A TOMB FOR ME"
@@ceropuntocinco Necromancy is TIGHT!
Aww man surprise Seth Skorkowsky sketch is always appreciated!
Wow. Just gotta say... Seth's virtuoso breakdown is perhaps the most impressive content he's ever created. Outstanding.
Thanks. He is terrific.
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 The Cigarette helped , ha ha, smok'em if you got'em
Came for the nostalgia..stayed for Deathbringer's 'bed time story'.
I never played Tomb of Horrors though I've been in dungeons where the DM was clearly feeling mean at the time.
Thanks for watching!
Seth went over and beyond the call of duty on this one.
During the original tournament, one party put the crown on the demi-lich and touched it with the "wrong" end of the scepter (SOURCE: Return to the Tomb of Horrors).
My party used the evil wishing gem and then threw it into the final room. It killed the demi-lich but also destroyed all of his treasure.
Classic!
Heard Seth Skorkowskis voice and nearly died from excitement
The seemingly arbitrary solutions that hurt Acererak was obviously rulings by Gygax on the spot that were later set in writing.
His failure was to communicate this and the principals of his rulings to the DMs that run the module so that they could make rulings by themselves.
This is also probably one of the best D&D videos on CZcams.
Thanks for the compliment. Please pass it on.
"Steals your pants and then eats your soul" That's a 70's power ballad if there ever was one.
Perfect cameo from Brandish Gilhelm
It's the ultimate lesson in knowing how to roleplay in character.
You die in the Tomb by doing stuff you would NEVER do if you were exploring an ancient tomb.
Players take tons of actions based on "I get a save and have +6" or "I have X hitpoints".
In real life, it doesn't matter how fast you think you are, you don't stick your hand in strange holes without serious research.
Very well said. The way to beat the Tomb of Horrors, is to roleplay that YOU are actually in the tomb, and what would you do to survive (I mean most people would never enter, but let’s say you did).
@@thetowndrunk988 exactly. Stop playing vicariously and assume the role of your character.
Yes. But also, if I were doing the tomb like I were myself, I would never get through the front door. So you gotta be a little mental to even be there in the first place.
It reminds me a bit of the movie "pain and gain". There's several moments where you can think, "if they only stopped here, they could have gotten away with it." But the reason why they got that far is they were so nuts in the first place - no logical person would have gotten that far.
@@bobbycrosby9765 think of it like a English egyptologist. They explore the tombs for artifacts of the past.
@@bobbycrosby9765 True, but the entire point is to use some common sense. As a forever DM, I far too often see players try some of the most absurd things, that there is no way in heck they’d ever be so foolish IRL. And while I appreciate that D&D is a rpg, and you’re supposed to embrace your superhero status, there is a such thing as using some sense. You can’t simply OP every single dungeon.
Has everyone seen Wylock’s physical building of this Dungeon? It’s fantastic!
He does great work.
My first time running Tomb of Horrors resulted in a TPK in under 30 minutes as one-by-one, everyone dove head-first into the green devil face.
LOL Ooooops!
If Seth Skorkowski doesn't land an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for his part in this video then there is something seriously wrong with the world.
He deserves those Ennies.
"... super easy, barely an inconvenience." 😂Good reference(s)
One of your best video in a long time, Professor!
Wow, thanks!
So many great visitors. Seth Skorkowsky was great. Along with "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" I'd like to add "Green Devil faces are tight."
Many moons ago I was playing a game at a game store and the table next to me was play ToH. I was keeping a third ear/eye out on the game as I ran mine and during one of our breaks as I watched the players they decided to pick up their fellow players halfling (not knowing what would happen) and inserted the halfling into one of the green devil heads head first to let him "look" around. The look of astonishment was priceless when they pulled him back out.
This was an absolute treat. Thank you everyone who participated!
Thank you!
hope you're feeling better, Professor!
I live how epic this video goes with all the guest appearances and input. It's like an Avengers of TTRPGs collaboration.
OMG, Seth was amazing as nicotine-driven Gygax in an oracular fever-dream/sales pitch. 😂
"nicotine"
That ain’t nicotine
You don't snort lines of tobacco.
XP to Level 3 is going to eat his words 😈
Or dungeon master is going to reveal disappointing judgement. We’ll see
They are very different people with very different expectations. XP to level 3 is a full blown son of 5e. He sees the game through the filter of post 3e/post critical role story time d&d. That doesn't invalidate his arguments. But it does give him a more limited scope than someone like the professor that has seen the game change from earlier procedural exploration based iterations.
@@AndrewBrownKxp to level 3 is soft.
XP to level 3 apparently eats everything in front of him. I've done a few reactions to his nonsense
@@allenyates3469In the early days of their channel he told stories from their 3.5 games
Granted, the particular story I'm remembering is a kobold monk one turning a purple worm, so it doesn't exactly seem like super valuable experience, but they definitely did start with an earlier edition.
Getting serious Macho Man vibes from Gygax 😂
This was unbelievable! All the different perspectives were amazing. It was a like a "Dungeon Craft Special Episode."
One of my earliest ‘formal play’ memories was at my local Wargaming club back in the late 70’s. The GM used Chivalry and Sorcery, and ran a campaign with about 20 players at once! So of course, we tackled Tomb of Horrors with first level characters. (In retrospect, I guess us kids WERE the hirelings…) I remember dying in a rock fall five minutes in. That’s it. My brother’s character had 30 piglets stored in his saddlebags as food… but never got to use them…
C&C is a great game.
Babe, wake up. Professor DM is on.
LOL
Halfway through this walkthrough and I'm lovin' this longer form content Professor 💪
This may be your Magnum Opus Professor, it's not only the colabs of other channels (which is great because there were some I didn't knew) and how hilarious the whole video is, it's also how epic you party of players are on engaging the dungeon. This video is so amazing I had to watch it all over again after the first time. Congrats!
Ran this for my game group a couple years ago using AD&D. Half the party died. They weren't able to kill the demi-lich, but half the party lived to tell the tale. They LOVED the experience of this classic.
I've played through it 2x and DMed it 3x since 1978. and it's objectively the best module ever.
There was a guy who made a Neverwinter Nights module for it as well... he did a GREAT job... I wish I remembered who it was...
Chris Irby did the conversion for NWN1.
@@Lanessar8008 - Hellz yeah! Soo well done!
I played this for the first time this spring at the Great Underground Online Gaming Convention. I played one of two Thieves in the group, among the last survivors. The last was a Paladin who was no longer qualified and eventually died of starvation.
I did write a parody on Just a Jigolo for it ...
The player going all in on the greedy dwarf PC trying to carry out the golden sedan was perfect. xD
I agree it was a great end for that character. 🖖
I really liked all the cameos, including the ones that criticize the adventure alongside ones that praise it or put it in context. It adds up to a really holistic perspective that I really appreciate.
Can’t wait, professor 👏🏻
It a fan of Tomb of Horrors. It is a big “FU” to the players as you can’t will without cheating. It doesn’t matter how good a player you are. BUT…it has awesome ideas to steal for other home brew dungeons. 😊
Awesome! I've been looking forward to this video immensely! These adventure module videos are always some of Prof. DM's best!
Fantastic video. My friends and I played this module when it first came out and most of us died fighting the demi lich. We were young...and not cautious. Nice trip down memory lane.
Please give me more Dungeoncraft and to you PDM a speedy painfree recovery
Thank you. I'm feeling okay. Two naps today.
21:31 I am picturing the scene from Family Guy Star Wars where the two characters are stealing the couch from the garbage compactor 😀😃.
This is it 😀...
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Can’t wait to run this. Thanks for the extensive coverage, wisdom, and delightful collaborations!
Professor Dungeon Master- I have DM’ed S1 twice and currently running Return to TOH. Had to switch up many elements when it came to the original Tomb-portion. I’ve retrofitted the Vampire Mistress Ferranifer as Acererak’s sister, with the same Type VI Demon father. She has been seeking him for centuries to join him as a Lich and destroy the Prime Material Plane.
Sounds cool!
Another great video - Seth's bit had me laughing out loud. I still have my copy of this from when I was a kid, but I don't recall ever running it. Probably because it didn't sound like it would be fun to 11 year old me.
Tomb of Horrors I think truly exposes the Video Game mentality vs the "Role" Play mentality. It's actually imagining yourself in the situation vs treating your character like a collection of stats.
Good god, Seth Skorkowsky is an absolute genius. Love that guy! What a performance.
I finished the Yawning Portal version with a group I DM about 2 months ago. They are all bright, at level 12, and were very cautious, only 1 killed but then rest of party was able to revivify player back. They followed only paths that were mentioned in the riddles, they did not even bother going to the hallway and oak doorway that dumps them into the molten lava thinking the light they saw through the door was a demon trap of some kind. I bumped up the very end with Acerick the demi lich having a Bone Claw and Stone Golem with him in the final room (vs. 6 PCs at level 12). It would have been a TPK but with DnD 5e and death saves 3 were still standing when all monsters were destroyed (1 was eye gem trapped by the demi-lich and 2 others unconscious doing death saves). It overall was a fun adventure, but with cautious players carefully following the riddles at the beginning it is not as deadly as legend (at least the Yawning Portal 5e version).
Thanks for sharing!
Good timing. I’ve spent the last couple days looking at Tomb of Annihilation for my group
Cool!
It's really hard to survive the Tomb of Horrors...
No, it's actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Oh?
Yeah, the party will just walk five feet away from one another with rope tied around their waists.
Why five feet? Why not ten?
I don't know...
Who came up with that plan?
Unclear.
If someone falls in a pit, won't that knock the people attached to them off their feet unless they...
Look! I'm going to need you to get ALL THE WAY off my back about the rope thing, here ..
OK! Let me get off that thing!
I thought the same thing, like, yes, of course, this is how we walk through every dungeon, don't you?
Also, that tactic -- in almost every dungeon other than the Tomb -- if there were monsters would be disastrous. You'd encounter a few Type IV demons and half you party would be gone before the rest of the party had time to run up to find out what was going on. 😂 Better to have a fast scout (thief) 20-30' ahead with boots of flying or something and all kinds of detection scrolls and detection magic items -- and if that person dies you can always raise dead (if there is a body). 🙂 Also something like a magic user with a teleport spell at the back of the party (and other escape type spells).
Execellent video! It's very entertaining. My first trip through the tomb was in 1986. Out of a party of 7 and 5 henchmen, only 3 characters survived.
I mean if your players were able to figure most of it out, then it seems like the problem with the dungeon is that it requires a kind of mentality that other groups might not be ready for. It seems like the dungeon itself is a railroad where the punishment for going "off the tracks" is character death, but considering that opening poem essentially explains how to navigate all the way through to the end I like it more.
If the dungeon was actually meant for time-limited tournament play then I might be convinced to run it as a one-session one shot under the in-game idea that the dungeon only opens once every few hundred years, and only for a single day. Once the entrance closes again, anyone left inside is trapped forever. That would really put the pressure on your party to get as much loot as they can and get out, which would probably lead them to making more of those life-or-death mistakes that the dungeon is known for punishing players for making.
The problem isn't really the tomb itself -- it's the final fight or attempt to destroy Acererak that is the killer. all of what you need to do is so arbitrary -- that almost impossible to destroy Acererack without losing at least 3-4 members of the party if not all of them. And IMO the bag of holding would not have worked based on my interpretation of the module. So TPK, or like I said again 3-4 or more characters biting the dust. Only way to really do it legit IMO is if your DM lets you research destroying Acererack beforehand and then gives you a few hits on how to damage him. How well you do really depends on if you have a nice DM or you have a not-so-nice DM.
Your insights (and awesome players) have inspired me to run the Tomb of Horrors as a 0 level funnel! It struck me how similar in tone it is to the "Portal Beneath the Stars", and you proved the Tomb can be beaten with clever play regardless of character levels. Thank you!
Portal IS very similar.
Great idea, I'll be stealing it
@@denisselara9324 Cool!
@@denisselara9324 You're most welcome!
Here instead of of 2024 monk release video lol
THANK YOU.
All these cameos made this video a next level experience. Bravo for putting this all together and for genuinely changing my mind on this dungeon
Thank YOU for watching!
Great mix of insights from other gamers along with a "play by play" with your own group. Thirty minutes of fun and a great job of editing everything together. Thanks!
I ran tomb of horrors in college and the players did not find it challenging… one player said “I thought it was the tomb of horrors, not the tomb of bore-ors.” I think it’s good, but its reputation may be slightly inflated.
Good joke. +100xp for your player.
This was the worst D&D adventure I ever participated in. My DM was stoked to run it and after we ran it twice the group was like no thanks. It felt very mean spirited like the DM hated his players success and was spitefully out to get them. Just a complete failure and undeserving of the title. Best adventure of all time. I would bestow that honor on the original Ravenloft or Temple of Elemental Evil
Ravenloft is the best. Better than Temple, for sure (although Village of Hommlet Is great).
"That is how Acererak gets you brother, cause he steals your pants and eats your soul." Great video and the gang you brought in was a lot of fun. :)
Now This is exactly the kind of clickbait and faithful follow-through that i live for
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think Acererak hired Deathbringer to build the Tomb of Horrors for him . In all seriousness, the Tomb of Horrors is a death trap and that's what it's supposed to be. It's the type of thing that a group of people can sit around watching others play and one by one as people get eliminated new players can join in the group and use the previous information to get past the traps one by one until the last group standing makes it to the end. Perfect tournament style play, a perfect design by someone that was used to doing War Gaming elimination style.
Thanks for sharing!
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 thank you for making another great video
Its neat, but not the best. Its just a series of death traps
That's fair. But thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Professor DM and Seth Skorkowsky team ups are the next level to level ups. 🤜🤛
Great video explaining the Tomb.
The Baron too? Damn, this video is a triple level up.
Plus Bob and Luke?
This video is level 20.
This is probably the best video of yours and one of the best RPG videos I've ever seen. So entertaining, well put together and shows real love and appreciation for the history of this hobby
Thank you. Please share it!
I think it shows how differently people think after 40+ years. Back in the day, modules like this were part of the course. I remember a group of us being bored one day and my players saying how it was unfair that they never got to play high level characters (I almost always ran them from 1st up and they usually died). So I said, "Fine, you make up some 5th-level characters and I'll run you through at 10th-level dungeon. If you can survive, I'll make you 10th and start a 10th-level campaign for you." I ran them through some dungeon tiles with the random table of traps, monsters, and tricks. Their thief found a portcullis trap near the front and later they ran into a wyvern. So... they set up a trap for the wyvern, using the rogue at bait inside the trap area, and he survived long enough to run out and the others set off the trap -- sealing the wyvern behind the bars while they peppered him with arrows through the bars.
Today's players are different. They complain about modules, I've seen teens and twenty-somethings have fits at a comic shop over minor things, and they are stuck on their characters sheets. Not sure if it is video games, parenting, lack of imaginative activities, etc. but there is are completely different mindset with most folks under about 30 today. It's actually kind of sad.
Nobody is encouraged to think these days. Public schools exist to train compliance.
@@magonus195 really not much different than 50 years ago though...
@@magonus195 Public schools, single parent households, divorce rates, low fertility rates (i.e. fewer siblings and children / helicopter parents), technology (internet, cell phones, video games, CZcams, etc.), more urbanization, fewer stay-at-home moms, less organized groups (churches, Scouts, school clubs, etc.), etc. School is as much a symptom as an cause.
I am not seriously witnessing an echo chamber of human regression discussion over the topic of fucking DnD of all things. What a bunch of arrogant snobs tying an unrelated problem to a subject they’ve been wounded over and are looking for blame.
This episode is so much better that I guessed it would be! Seth was hilarious! Shout out to Ben for the Ultraviolet Grasslands GM screen in the background!
I can't believe he managed all that in a single take! 😮
I'd love to see the bloopers 😂
WOW! Probably one of my favorite episodes you have done YET! So great to see all of the other CZcamsr DMs involved! I was a player run through this back in 1984. We had leveled our characters up to level 7-8 by playing through our DMs campaign over the last 4 years. We lost all of our original PCs and were playing they backups from the module. it took 2 5 hour game sessions to complete. The DM actually ended the 2nd session with another adventure that we played through in order to REZ our original characters. So many great memories!
11:54 - Wow, wow, wow, wow... wow!
My experience was that the party made it to the room just before the treasure, then left because someone's character died and they realized how easily they could lose. They'd somehow lucked out of any of the really bad outcomes up to that point, and the sudden death shocked them.
What an epic video professor DM! Love your take on these classic modules. Super cool seeing so many other Dungeon-tubers as well!
We need a Shadowdark version with Kelsey's flair to fix the silliness of it.
I agree. I'll tell her that.
Seth Gygax on baking powder is the best Gygax.
TaleSpire is terrific. If you can't play IRL, it's the best VTT.
The Runehammer cameo was so on brand XD
OMG, what a great video, enjoyed it a lot. Great collaborations, I will watch this many, many times.
Crikey, you roped in the big guns for this one. Seth, Trevor & PDM mashup? Sold. Ben Milton calling out Gygax as petty hit the nail on the head.
Fun video. I'm horrible at coming up with adventures for groups like yours, but players like that are a lot of fun to run death trap dungeons for because it's interesting watching them solve the scenarios.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Amazing video! Really well put together and informative! We need way more of this kind of content.
Great video PDM! I would like to thank you for revitalizing my efforts as a DM. Between your crafting, DMing advice, and adventure ideas, my players have responded very enthusiastically and encouragingly. We play every 4-6 weeks instead of twice a year.
Thank you so much!
Excellent!!
MC Hammer and Ruehammer in the same video! On of the best D&D videos ever made by the true king Professor DM
I loved this format ... super cool having all these guests.
Seth as Gygax was PHENOMENAL!!! This actually made me laugh way too hard. I got the coked up Robin Williams vibes....and it was GOLD!!!
I love these collab videos and this is the best yet! Thanks for giving this alternate take on the tomb. While i enjoyed xp to lvl 3s take i could tell that they took everything out of context. The fact that this was made for a timed competition, for highly experienced 1st edition players, really helps explain why the dungeon is so "mean" in it's layout and execution.
Best video of the year. This was a riot down memory lane. LOVED all of the CZcams Easter eggs.
Great video! Thank you Professor. I especially like your shorthand notebook of the module and the cameos.
I love these collaboration videos. Truly excellent. Great story, great visuals and great performances by everyone. More Dungeon Craft, please!
Seth! Didnt expect that. Awesome video