Absolutely excellent video. As a woman of color I feel so drawn to Chaos magic, but a part of me, feels loyal to the magic of my ancestors. I am at a point now , just recently , after almost 20 years of practice. That it is ok to maintain my traditions and practice chaos magic. Thanks for this video it is so how I have been feeling.
Thank you for discussing the colonialistic tendencies of us white people to "snatch and grab" whatever catches our interest. It was always something that I could never articulate in such a simple and obvious way that you have here. As a Heinz 57 genetic distribution in my own ancestry, it always made me uncomfortable trying out different traditions like Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, even Asian. I can never resonate with any specific paradigm so Chaos Magick is basically the only way I feel I can "do magick" properly.
that's a thing that literally everyone does esp if you're like adhd, autistic, whatever? like how do you think people find new interests? and if you can't relate that's unfortunate they're still humans people seem to forget that you can relate to someone even if you don't have the same gender, race, etc
Oooh, I'd love to come in here if I could, I think your right about white people but a lot of others too - I felt exactly the same with different traditions - but once I started searching (im in UK btw) it's a melting pot of tons of traditions that are also a mish-mash of other traditions - in UK, we have Norse in our roots, Roman, which is heavily greek (Britannia was a servitor created by the Romans for us, still used today) a lot came later from grimoires of Hebrew magick popular throughout Europe, and even Hebrew\biblical magick took from sumarian & Egyptian systems, and vice versa - I discovered there are no singular traditions or religions - in UK it's baked in our everyday, in our DNA - we find murals or statues of justice (goddess) outside UK courts, we ask people if they want a brew, instead of a cup of tea (witches brew) we bury our dead (Norse & Celtic, Wales even hold onto stone circles & language) - sorry for ADHD waffling - There's a lot of gatekeeping by people who simply haven't been on earth long enough to push everyone else out, trying to rewrite history
As a chaote, I am 4 minutes in, just got my cup of tea and I'm sooooo ready to spend my night watching this. 🖤 I already know it's going to be good! Update: 30 minutes in and damn, we are so similar. 😂 Preach!!!
Only cowards manipulate and misuse people, that's not chaos magic, that's an opportunist. Chaos magic is playing breakcore at a free party in Thurstaston. Shout out to your Merseyside/Romanian roots, thanks for all the tarot videos and we need more Clarissa ear rings.
My heritage is Irish (on the Merseyside side) and Hispanic on my mum's side. But I am sooo interested in Romania, omg. Such interesting history. Their revolution was insane.
I definitely struggle with taking my spiritual practice too seriously. I have been trying to be more playful and spontaneous; slowly but surely I will gain that confidence and enthusiasm back. Watching your videos always inspires me to do something witchy and creative. Thank you for another great video!
Laughter as a form of banishing. Childhood cartoons and books for healing. Playlists for different issues. Chanting silly slogans from stuff I watched as a teenager or significant lyrics. All this kind of stuff helps me break down my level of seriousness. Also, getting into stuff like using specific perfume to get into different mindsets. Using the sets of movies as astral locations..
@@kelly-annmaddox Oh, I haven't thought of some of these! Thank you for the ideas :) I do utilize cartoon and anime characters in my practice. I'm still getting used to it and trying not to feel silly lol I didn't realize how deep my religious trauma ran until I started doing things my way.
@@KikiYK The cartoon and anime characters are such a powerful tool, symbol and portal in your work, and I vibe with it and I LOVE it. Yesss, keep going! x
I found you from that video. I didn't realize the vibe around the comment section but it was very helpful to me and I thank you for being a down to earth and grounded, source of information.
As a person who has several chronic health conditions that are changeable in severity & also levels & areas of disability I absolutely have to have extreme flexibility in my practice. Much of what you say here definitely vibes with how I work magic but I don’t know if it’s chaos magic. I’ve just bought some of the chaos magic books you originally suggested to explore further. At the moment though I’m happy to just label myself as Witch & my path as witchcraft. As I’ve reached my crone years I am shifting deities (with no qualms) to one’s more suitable to my future
Chaos Magick is most definitely the permission slip! I have expereinced that struggle you spoke of with my own culture. I did not want to have anything to do with what was considered remotely "traditionally Mexican" but I felt guilty. Like if I was a triator to my community. I did my own witchy thing for years but those thoughts were always lurking in the back of my mind. After some shadow work and wanting to at least learn more about my heritage I began diving into some of it and soon found aspects that felt more like "home". I now embrace it and see it as a tool for connection to my ancestors. I have accepted it as one of the paradigms I can shift to within my chaos magickal tool belt. I love that I found a way to do what I felt was right and also keep what I enjoyed and had provided me with so much medicine in the past. Greta fucking vid! P.s. Your self-awareness is awe inspiring Kelly-Ann!
I have so much respect for that journey you took to reach that point of connecting authentically with your ancestral lineage, confronting that shadow work in the process. Nice! x
Finally, another chaos magick video, yay! And much as I love all of your content, an occasional glimpse into your own colourful tapestry of witchy philosophy is always a special treat. Love from Switzerland 🍒💚
I am terribly sorry that you had to go through such a strange experience on your video. People are so odd and I just wanted to say that I love how you handled this situation. The way you express yourself is very commendable. I adore your delivery and channel all together. 🖤 rooting for you always !
Hi! I've been into chaos magic as my main thing since the 90s (and im also a woman). wow, i can totally relate with everything you said but about chaos magick adjacent IRL cultures... the misogyny especially. You explained a lot of the draw to edge lords stuff so well!!! It helps me retro heal a lot of genuine efforts i made in magical circles way back when... where men were just... terrible. I feel SO for your 9 years ago self! I happily settled with taking my chaos magick into my own personal path circa late 90s where i stopped checking in with what was being discussed online. Otherwise i would have been helping kick ass in those creepoid comments you got!! Love your ideas! Thank you ever so much for sharing your experiences and wisdom.
DAMN, this comment makes me feel so SEEN. Thank you. i'm sorry you also experienced that shite. All the more reason for us to take the theory and use it and talk about it (if we want to) because fuck that noise. x
@@kelly-annmaddox awww, I'm honored you feel seen since i feel so seen and more relevant to myself somehow watching your vids. You said it!! This is especially timely for me as ive been feeling a calling to return to my chaosy roots!
I feel like chaos magick works a bit like learning to cook different cuisines. Some people like to really focus on specific things (pastry chefs, Italian, French, etc) but others like to try a broad range of things based on what they enjoy in that moment. They try lots of different things, and develop a variety of skills that they add to their repertoire so that, eventually, they are able to whip up their own recipes using techniques and ingredients which would normally not go together to create new wonderful creations. Some purists may see it as not giving respect to the traditions, but I feel it’s really about showing more respect and that you are able to learn the principles underpinning things and adapt them in new ways. Similarly there are artists who stick purely to one art form (music, poetry, watercolour) then there are others who create mixed media. Both are valid, it depends on what the person wants to create at the end. I hope this make sense and that I haven’t completely taken things the wrong way 🤣🙈
This video was so cathartic. I see it was for many people for different bits! The shock you felt at chaote comment section has been my shock towards spiritualpreneur instagram. Im just a lil nerd scholar trying to make friends. I love all the shadow, wonder and customization of magic. And i was floored by the flagrant bypassing and exploitation and compulsive monetization. You're right about chaotes being so cool. It's such a unique mindset than eclectic witchcraft. You can really see us from space. I love us. Too bad it attracts unsavory joker dark knight types too. I laughed every time you said that 😂
'Nothing is true, everything is permitted' supermoon in Aquarius motto! There is no coincidence this video popped up for me to watch! I feel i have been rigid in my own view ans expectations of magick... i even messed up calling the corner during a circle with Starhawk and 50 orher ppl, back in 2004, and im just now getting to terms with how nervous i was.. 😅
@@kelly-annmaddox I've worked with hardcore chaotes and loved the energy and skill they brought to rituals and spell work. I like to call Chaos Magic the Jeet Kune Do of occultism.
i’m late but your look in this video makes my child self happy. it’s so fun and mood brightening and artsy. my gosh i love your influence, i love your way of speaking, i love the effect you’ve had on me as a witch and as a person. i align so so much with you and your vibe and i’ve found more home within myself by watching you.
I love that you are talking about chaos magick again! I think this background makes sense, I would love more of how you still use or apply the principles.
Wow. The concept of deep permission really resonated with me. Something delicious to ponder on. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sorry you went through all that crappy treatment. The internet can be such a stupid time.
PREACH! A lot of what you're saying here is why I stopped identifying as a chaote and chose to start identifying as a "magickal researcher" instead. Excellent vid!
Everything i do is more playful, childlike, bursting into advert jingles ( from the 60's) 😱 . Always been different and not fitting in with the norm. Im at the stage now where i cannot be told what to do. Cannot stand rules that are obviously "mickeymouse".. having walked out of an over 30 years controlling marriage, where i couldnt have friends, only speak if im spoken to, stand to attention etc... now im a bit like a headless chicken but at least now i can at flap my arms about. Fantastic video... I was born on the Day of Irreverence. 💕
what a treat! there's definitely a lot i could say about my own relationship with finding freedom in magick and spirituality // i appreciate how you mentioned that folks such as me, we aren't necessarily raised believing we should or even could ditch our heritage--even when something else could be the very course we need - it's been tireless work for me to find a comfortable middle ground - on one i feel it is my moral responsibility,, if i'm going to live in self-love, to at least know (if not carry forward) some measure of tradition (or rediscover how my upbringing in our motis has empowered me in my life and choose to nurture that forward), but on another i'm instinctively artistic in my approach to magick and spirituality ;; i need flexibility and reinvention and the random fucking crazy blah blah blah in my nonseculars - i see my life as art (and i believe a lot of Black people do) - i'm not a chaote; i don't call myself one,, but i've always resonated with your content, your path, and i enjoy some of the overlap between what you've expressed and what i, as a fencerider, tightrope walker, have experienced - thank you for sharing!
Fuckin A, right on 👏 I’m only a third of the way through watching this, and you keep asking if you’re making sense, yes, yes you are totally making sense. Also 24:24 yes I have experienced this! It’s mad out there.
That is so interesting you mention that! I’ve found that in every chaos magick group Ive happened upon theres a conceited “intellectual” prickery in abundance! Though I love chaos magick and particularly love using pop culture and historical figures.
Love, love, love this video. So many things I relate to. So many times i wanted to shout: This! You opened the door to chaos Magick for me about 2 years ago and so many things have changed since then. I finally felt at "home" with my magickal practice. When I look back, I can see that I've always been a chaote, I just didn't know. Like you put it, I always thought that I failed because I jumped from one paradigm to another other the years and haven't been able to commit long term. Chaos Magick changed my magick, my spirituality, my life and I'm so thankful that I finally have words for how I felt during my whole magickal/spiritual journey and I know now, that it is ok. It helped me being me/ becoming more myself every day. It just clicked, finally. Oh and I have to add, that I love that you talked about cutural appropriation and white privilege, this is so important. Thank you Kelly-Ann for your videos. For your empowerment. For being you.
Chaos magic is wonderful! The magic and wonder evaporates, though, if you lie cheat or steal, if you hurt people on purpose and/or try to control and dominate others and then use CM to rationalize this unsavory behavior
I loved that video on the six principles! Coming from a fine art background and looking for ways to fit art and magic together, you and Phil Hine were big inspirations! Illigitimi non carborundom.
This video had me going on a rabbit hole of videos before I felt fully ready to watch this video! Lol! I went on a self discovery journey over the span of a couple days during new moon energies and loving every minute of it. Like finding the last piece of the puzzle. Thank you! I’m so bubbly and love pink and love and black and crows and everything inbetween. This really helped :)
I got that haterness when i asked a question on a fourms yrs ago, i asked som thing about happyness and being poor and having$ is that the better happyness ?. totally went straight to insults and ego boasting. I caused a dam war in the comments sec...last time i asked a question. I didn't think it was such a passionate debate. I can Liv in the middle both the artist and the witch that clicks wit me.🍹🍀
Another excellent video, which really helped me to understand where I am and where I am coming from spiritually. Personally I think the chaos magickian temperament doesn't quite fit my character, although I do have quite a few of their traits. It's wonderful to be able to be different and coexist creatively. Since discovering this channel my spiritual practice has been climbing the performance charts like there's no tomorrow! 💖
About Colonialism. You can look at it that way, but also I see deconditioning as being able to deconstruct held beliefs and see things from others’ perspectives. When i first heard about cultural appropriation i was clueless and had some really white privileged shit to unpack and look at. It was my value in deconditioning that allowed me to stop, listen and reevaluate my beliefs because they didn’t fit and didn’t serve me/the world/how i want to be.
Kelly-ann, you are brilliant. I watched the vid from 9 years ago, and was thrilled to watch this current one. You are such a clear thinker. And your ethics are very admirable. I, finally, ordered Condensed Chaos. I'm biracial - white, European and African American. My mother was the one who shared her historic roots with me. My father suffered a lot of racist trauma, so he wasn't exactly forthcoming about his background or beliefs. I, mainly identity more with European, pagan beliefs (the ones we know about). But, I also am very interested in my African spiritual inheritance. So, I research both histories, knowing that I'm kind of lost in the middle. Chaos magick may be the solution to a bit of uncertainty I have regarding building an authentic practice that is respectful to my European and African roots. If you (or anyone, reading this) have any advice, I'd love to hear from you. By the way, I am in my crone years - if that matters. Thanks, so much, for your thoughtful, intelligent videos. Makes me feel less hopeless, given the state of the world.
Hi Kelly-Ann, I do understand everything you are saying here. A thought that came to mind as you were talking; is about the goddess" Eurynome", described in the goddess oracle by Amy Sophia Marashinsky. This is the goddess of Ecstacy. In the beginning poem, she talks about Chaos and Ecstasy. The story is that Eurynome made love with Ophion then assumed the form of a dove to lay the universal egg out of which all creation came. And this is the key; Ophion not content with being a creation of Eurynome and then cocreating with her, boasted that he was "the supreme creator". Eurynome knocked out his teeth and banished him. To me this is the mysogonistic element that shows up and is negative in response to chaos and ecstasy. It is just as you were describing it in this video. There is more to the description to the poem than I can write here. To get a full understanding you really need to read the whole chapter in her book. Anyway keep up the great work. I am loving this video. You are one brave and powerful soul.
Thank you for stepping forward. I love conversations on the subjects of magick. Also art 🎨. When I'm having a panic attack, I listen to these videos and write in my notebooks. It's like plunging into a body of water
Thank you so much for this. My previous exposures to chaos magic had that edgelord vibe (as you experienced re your previous video) that REALLY turned me off. Plus I had picked up the idea that ethics are irrelevant to a chaote, because there are no rules, right? So this was very, very good and helpful - I can be me and work within what is deeply important to me even as I explore whatever I'm drawn to.
Hello My Beautiful Sister! I'm a wee late learning chaos magick, I find it absolutely fascinating. I'm trying to learn how to work in the astral, but I have an extremely difficult time silencing my mind. My brain is a chatterbox, any tips would be appreciated. Thank you so much. What, your looks, you're absolutely beautiful with a beautiful soul. Always a hater in the comments. Take care Love!!
I was looking for a sign to help get me out of a lull with my witchcraft practice and this is the spark I needed,thank you for always putting out such informative videos,they always make me think and look at other perspectives❤️😊
Thanks for sharing all of this. It's wonderful to hear you talk about chaos magick more. I've been watching someone's content, trying to decide if i want to take some classes with them on chaos magick and various other things...and everything you've addressed in this video speak to why I'm having qualms about moving forward. There's so much of an edgelord vibe inherent in the content, and this creator doesn't usually call it out or confront it. They often side step it and stay on topic in spite of problematic nuance that might arise. And i get why they might do that...but its definitely given me pause in moving forward because i feel like in this day and age, we shouldn't be silent about addressing problematic behaviors. But like someone else said, chaos magick is one of the only realms available where it feels like i can create my own practice and find my own way without appropriating. I think moving forward with caution is key. Keeping colonial ideologies in mind so that i can question and deconstruct them when they present themselves and push through them. That's my theory anyway.
This is my theory about this: Chaos magic is chaotic, and those that work with those forces will be formed by it and thus become chaotic. The more you work with it the more chaotic you will become until you are like it in every aspect. This means that the Alignment of the practitioner on the good/evil scale is very important. If an evil practitioner of chaos magic goes all the way, they need to break every rule in order to mater it. Meaning even the 6 principles needs to be broken, otherwise they cannot master it. Thus only a good aligned person can master chaos magic without becoming a destructive force in this world. There is a way to turn evil people into good people and unlock the chaos within and connecting to the Plane of Chaos. That is a Right Hand Path that actually believes power will be bestowed, giving a person that understand they are evil a complete ego death, by following the strict rules of the religion that they have chosen. The more difficult the path the more power will be given at the end. I personally walked the Seventh day Adventist path and I believe that is the most difficult path that anyone can walk. When you receive the Chaos, you can then walk the Left Hand Path and truly do whatever you want, and because you are good you would never do anything evil. An evil chaos magic practitioner, creates chaos in the world because all they have is order. A Good chaos magic practitioner orders the chaos within and affect the material world with surgical accuracy, and thus creates order. An evil person that walks the left hand path needs to abide to the principles and can never break them, at best they can bend the rules a little bit. Accidents can happen so the power is not complete. The Left Hand Path connects to Order, teachings you skills on how to use the Chaos that you received, to harness it and focus it. Chaos is Massive Black Hole, the Mega Devil, he is Chaotic Good because he absorbed all Light in the Realm of Light aka Heaven. Order is a white hole that adds Light into the realm of Darkness aka Hell. Thus Chaos Magic is Order Magic, or the Structuring of Chaos. You need both the Right Hand Path and the Left Hand Path in order to master it, when you have done that you can do anything. Break and bend the laws of physics if you so desire. This is coming soon. It is a matter of belief and a True Believer, which is what you become if you follow the Right Hand path of SDA till the end. Light does not move, it fills the entire space it occupies and is stagnant. I know Science determined the speed of light and all that, but what they discovered was the speed of darkness. In the realm of Light, Chaos came there to enable change. The White Hole adds stasis in an ever shifting realm of chaos/darkness. If Light moved, then space would be all light and not dark, but it is dark. Meaning that the points of light we see are static points that we observe in a vast tapestry of Darkness that moves. You can even cast a shadow on a planet by sending out a light beam. Light dispels darkness, it does not go forth, it just reveals what is already there. It is the darkness that moves. Anyway that is how I see it. :)
Gonna talk about myself here, before bringing it to your door. I didn't exactly choose chaos magic. Chaos magic didn't precisely choose me. I think, somewhere between my first and second instars, and my finding my feet as a full fledged fifth instar, there was a point where the chaos of the universe ... opened up inside me, and I knew what I was. Gods, I never talk about me. Rule One: never make it about yourself. Your magic is an expression of you, manifest in the world. It's all imaginary, and we all leave it sooner or later, so all anybody can really do is sing your song to the world and let it join in, make your music shape the world in subtle ways, and you do you. When you show the universe how much you love it, it loves you back for as long as you are there. So your chaos magic works the way you want it to, because that's who you are, and I am so happy to have found you here. Current mood music as I type this: Jean Michel Jarre, Chronology, 30th anniversary. The music I use in my workings. I may be slightly stoned at this time.
Love. I'm attracted to these chaos magic videos (though I've not read any of the books yet) because the discourse resonates with my own idea of the flexibility I need in order to be "real" and "true" ...I need to be able to access "me" and go where I need to go when working spiritually and magically. (By the way, been skulking around watching your videos for a while and LOVE LOVE LOVE the authenticity, intelligence, heart, playfulness, and over-all vibe.) Anywho, I DO have an inner morality that works as a tether for me and lets me know when I'm encountering a kind of structure, system, or dogma that is out of alignment with my authentic nature. However and at the same time... structure, systems, routines, and rituals DO also have something to offer WHEN I can create those structures using the tools and ideas I've encountered externally and internally. I have often likened my spiritual and magical practices to art (so I love that you mentioned art here) ...a painting has an edge, a frame, a container of some sort that holds the creation together or else the paint (the work) will spill over into oblivian and thus, the work is lost and cannot exist. For me, chaos magic (as I am understaning it so for) allows me to create a structure and create inside of it, finish it, and make another work of art. I can obsess over a "subject" that I'm painting and make multiple versions of that art, or I may create something and move on if it feels complete for me. So the level of depth is informed by an inner muse, inner truth, if that makes sense. It would not make sense to me to dig a well in a spot where, ultimately, I will not access the fountain so to speak. I love the discussion about "snatch and grab" cultural appropriation. As a flesh-and-bones-manifestation of the melting pot here in the states, I find that the multicultural sense of identity is a double-sided blade. I have certain freedoms of thought around my cultural identity and spiritual understandings but lack a sense of cultural cohesiveness in the form of tribe or lineage. To help remedy this, I lean into ancestor work and feel into those histories and stories as a way to build upon my practices without stepping on sacred tootsie toes. I'm still learning and growing in this area...an evolving hot topic for sure! I'm taking away these two phrases: Gatekeeping, and Snatch and Grab. There's a vibe attached to each one of these phases and for now feeling/sensing those vibes in others and myself has the power to illuminate my interactions and choices in an in-the-moment sort of way without trying to pin a nuanced disernment to a dart board. Thanks Kelly-Ann
You introduced me to chaos magic. I still vibe with the principles. And I’m still walking the wild and winding path with Loki. This year has been a lot of death/change/rebirth/death/change. So you’d better believe I’m going to be switching my practice up just to be able to keep afloat.
Thank you so much Kelly-Ann for this video! Especially for the section on cultural appropriation and chaos magic, this is something I've been struggling with! I've been worried that I may be partaking in CA, whilst being a chaos magician. This has put a lot of things in perspective for me and is a means to move forward in my practice to make sure I'm not contributing to that BS, thank u!
I loved this video; Your chanel, and that infamous video was one the things that inspired me to try "chaos magick". Lately ive been doing a lot of soul searching around my relarionship with the "chaos magician" label. While in a sense its always a part of me, and i usually come back to speaking about it, i dont definw myself as one for similar reasons; gate keeping, superiority, and the "im the right". Like you i thought the scne would ve open minded, but its very opinionated. For analogy its what reminded me of my "punk phase growing up"; im sure you can relate theres the punk rock elite- that seem to miss the point the most. Id argue "cmg" is a way of life, and this point most people are. Paradoxiaclly when one gets over the "chaos magick" label, is when they paradoxically "get it". As far as ethics, id say "its not my job to sell you my magick, im just sharing what ive found, and hopefully ill help another do the same".
Thanks for sharing your discernment on the subject! It feels like the principles of chaos magick, when viewed from a marginalized perspective are very freeing and empowering. In fact, as a queer black woman, we are always told what we should or should not do/be. So chaos magick can be like I sanctuary. But when we look at it from a the point of view of very entitled fascist men, it almost feel like the exact people they despise are coming for their "privilege", and that could also explain the wave of misogyny, hate and gate keeping. It's like free speech, it is originally a way of maintaining democracy but white supremacists use it as a mean to spread their hateful ideas. I hope what I wrote was understandable, I'm French and tried my best. Thank you again for the work you put into the world. Take care ❤
“Chaos magic is about your own experiences” just reiterates how going on and saying “I’m a chaote!” and then “you’re doing it wrong!” is practically an oxymoron. (Emphasis on the “moron”) You can’t say something is unique to you, and then say someone else is doing it wrong because they’re not doing it your way. That would make it NOT. Unique. Why are people? I just don’t get it.
Have you done a video where you talk about your favorite books , if you have any, on Chaos Magick? I am attracted to Chaos Magick but I'm not sure about any of the books on them that I have come across. Thank you Kelly!
"a choice to adopt a belief to see if it works" I LOVE that. I struggle with the concept of faith/belief and for a while thought I was automatically locked out of the world of spirituality but hearing this is so empowering. A permission slip indeed!
I think people severely misunderstand the chaos magic. It is not about being eclectic or chaotic. Chaos - is the nothingness, it is a beginning and end of everything, it is eternal abyss. To be able to work with such powerful entity, you need to experience something beyond possible, you need to die and rebirth again. You need to live multiple lives and have old soul, you need to drop all emotions. Else you get destroyed if you once try to enter Chaos. Everything else what is called "Chaos magic" is just a hippie talks.
Yes, I’m here for the cultural appropriation/white privilege/cultural reclamation conversation 100%. My take on it as a mixed person has been extreeeeeemly controversial for my mostly-white audience over the years, with accusations of gatekeeping, etc. My most recent video (The Societal Shadows of Cultural Appropriation) lost me so many subs (good riddance to bad rubbish, honestly). So the fact that you have the self-awareness here of your influence plus your innate ability to articulate it is great. I love that you have the consideration of marginalized groups. 💕
I can see why chaos magick might attract people with abusive, opportunistic tendencies. It's a bit lawless in that it removes traditional limitations and restrictions. One of its biggest appeals is that it "has no rules" and there's a similar tone adopted in some of the most toxic online "manosphere" ecosystems.
Chaos magick feels so natural for me an anarchist. It's the ultimate refusal to be bound by conventions and traditions. I agree though...that's also unfortunately what makes it attractive to edgelords. Sorry that you had such low vibe energy in the comment section of the original video. You deserve better. The red lipstick comments sounded especially sexist, to be honest. By the way, love the discussion on cultural appropriate because I've been worrying about that quite a bit recently!
BTW, the Nietzsche example is great. I really enjoyed reading Niezsche and I was horrified to learn what kinds of shady dudebro people misinterpret Niezsche....yikes. Love that example though.
This! Especially as a proper anti-capitalist, collective-action-to better-the-world anarchist! I practiced chaos for about five years before the Cheeto ran for President, and the amount of posting on chaos magic forums with all these disgusting white boys talking about how they were going to vote for a rapist BECAUSE they thought he might destroy the world made me so sad and angry that I walked away from magic altogether for the longest time. Chaos is the only kind of magic I'm capable of, but I couldn't do anything without feeling like I was endorsing these monsters. Just no.
what you say doesn't surprise me even though I didn't know it was that bad (it's awful you had to deal w shitty comments). when I first came across chaos magic, pretty early in my witchy development so like about 15 years ago (oof) first I was like oh these ideas are really cool and really fit me, but then I went looking for people talking about this shit and they were all these pompous dudes who took themselves extremely seriously and it was just bad vibes misogynistic smug all around so I let it go. In hindsight looking at where I am now I basically recreated a lot of chaos magic principles on pure instinct. I have ADHD and it's just the way my brain works when applied to spirituality lmao. And I think it's why I was so drawn to your channel as well because your stuff really leans into those principles without the grody package. And I think your explanations of why it draws those kinds of people are really interesting. I think the gender aspect plays a huuuge part in this, in my experience there are some dudes who come to occultism to buff up their confidence and sense of self importance, then they see a lot of the witchy spiritual community nowadays gives a much bigger place to women and so called female qualities like intuition, compassion, community etc, so as a reaction they go hard into the other direction and over invest in the intellectual stuff and looking down on practices that are more faith/emotion/tradition/community based and seen as more feminine (not to say women can't be intellectual, more as a social construction). Kind of the incels/tech bros/mra's of the witchy world. They think they're rebelling against Society but really they're just rebelling against Mommy.
And on top of that whenever I met women who were into chaos magic they were these really smart badass sexy anarchist academic types discussing Foucault while wearing combat boots types lmao 😍 so I absolutely agree it can draw amazing people - men too I'm sure I just have not met a lot of them. I can think of one who was influenced by it and cool and he was super gay. Anyway I think yeah it has a lot to do with how you conceptualize freedom as someone who has a lot of social privilege - so also regarding whiteness - and how toxic it can be to put freedom above everything else, it also becomes freedom to hurt and freedom to destroy, appropriate, ignore other people, have no empathy, perpetuate oppression, etc. So yeah if chaos magic is a tool I want to use it to be a decent person who lives in the real world with other people and not just in my head. Anyway great video felt validating somehow I might go back to this stuff a bit - sorry for the rant in the comments 😂😂
Hi Kelly I really appreciate this video! I'm sorry you got those comments. I would love to learn more, do you know of any good books that discuss chaos magick ? I really resonate with it so im curious. ❤ thank you again for your videos!
Hi Sophie, so KAM has a great video where she makes 3 book recommendations and gives a summary for you as well czcams.com/video/Vpr8OvofZ9w/video.html The three books are: Condensed Chaos by Phil Hine Prime Chaos by Phil Hine Liber Null and Psychonaut by Peter J Carroll Hope this is helpful! - Dani 🦡🦡
One thing that Chaos did, at least for me, was cut through certain self delusions. I studied kabala and vedanta to reach higher spiritual levels. Even when i was doing lsd and mescaline it was spiritual quest and i very much looked down on all the speed freaks around me. Bull shit. Magic is about power. Don Juan sais, the best of men are the hunters and the best hunters are the wariors, for they hunt power. I think Chaos sticks our noses in that, and thus attracts a more agressive out-front sort of folks.
There is something extremely ironic in the idea of those praising and practicing chaos magic telling you exactly how you cannot and should not practice and how you cannot be. How your ways of seeing magic, your way of thinking and being was so offensive and upsetting to them, and even the fact that they have the need to tell you that their way is better and superior. It's being an edgelord asshole and, probably, a lot of insecurity combined, ugh. The concept of one thing attracting two completely different types of people is always interesting to me. Reminds me of this book series, where the two main types of readers could not be more different, with completely opposite opinions and attitudes, and there is very little space for something in between. There's probably a similar explanation for it there.
“Nothing is true, everything is permitted” unlocked SO MUCH for me as a person and as a witch.
Absolutely excellent video. As a woman of color I feel so drawn to Chaos magic, but a part of me, feels loyal to the magic of my ancestors. I am at a point now , just recently , after almost 20 years of practice. That it is ok to maintain my traditions and practice chaos magic. Thanks for this video it is so how I have been feeling.
Two videos in two days??
*Garth and Wayne drop to their knees*
"We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"
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I was feeling prolific 💪
@@kelly-annmaddox Love that for you, and us! 💪
Thank you for discussing the colonialistic tendencies of us white people to "snatch and grab" whatever catches our interest. It was always something that I could never articulate in such a simple and obvious way that you have here. As a Heinz 57 genetic distribution in my own ancestry, it always made me uncomfortable trying out different traditions like Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, even Asian. I can never resonate with any specific paradigm so Chaos Magick is basically the only way I feel I can "do magick" properly.
that's a thing that literally everyone does esp if you're like adhd, autistic, whatever? like how do you think people find new interests? and if you can't relate that's unfortunate they're still humans people seem to forget that you can relate to someone even if you don't have the same gender, race, etc
Oooh, I'd love to come in here if I could, I think your right about white people but a lot of others too - I felt exactly the same with different traditions - but once I started searching (im in UK btw) it's a melting pot of tons of traditions that are also a mish-mash of other traditions - in UK, we have Norse in our roots, Roman, which is heavily greek (Britannia was a servitor created by the Romans for us, still used today) a lot came later from grimoires of Hebrew magick popular throughout Europe, and even Hebrew\biblical magick took from sumarian & Egyptian systems, and vice versa - I discovered there are no singular traditions or religions - in UK it's baked in our everyday, in our DNA - we find murals or statues of justice (goddess) outside UK courts, we ask people if they want a brew, instead of a cup of tea (witches brew) we bury our dead (Norse & Celtic, Wales even hold onto stone circles & language) - sorry for ADHD waffling - There's a lot of gatekeeping by people who simply haven't been on earth long enough to push everyone else out, trying to rewrite history
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As a chaote, I am 4 minutes in, just got my cup of tea and I'm sooooo ready to spend my night watching this. 🖤 I already know it's going to be good!
Update: 30 minutes in and damn, we are so similar. 😂 Preach!!!
Only cowards manipulate and misuse people, that's not chaos magic, that's an opportunist. Chaos magic is playing breakcore at a free party in Thurstaston. Shout out to your Merseyside/Romanian roots, thanks for all the tarot videos and we need more Clarissa ear rings.
My heritage is Irish (on the Merseyside side) and Hispanic on my mum's side. But I am sooo interested in Romania, omg. Such interesting history. Their revolution was insane.
Omg your shirt/earrings/makeup combo are giving me life
OMG I am in before the hour mark! You are a trailblazer. Whether someone likes that or not doesn't even matter. You. Are. A. Trailblazer.
😍 Thank you, darling x
I definitely struggle with taking my spiritual practice too seriously. I have been trying to be more playful and spontaneous; slowly but surely I will gain that confidence and enthusiasm back. Watching your videos always inspires me to do something witchy and creative. Thank you for another great video!
Laughter as a form of banishing. Childhood cartoons and books for healing. Playlists for different issues. Chanting silly slogans from stuff I watched as a teenager or significant lyrics. All this kind of stuff helps me break down my level of seriousness. Also, getting into stuff like using specific perfume to get into different mindsets. Using the sets of movies as astral locations..
@@kelly-annmaddox Oh, I haven't thought of some of these! Thank you for the ideas :) I do utilize cartoon and anime characters in my practice. I'm still getting used to it and trying not to feel silly lol I didn't realize how deep my religious trauma ran until I started doing things my way.
@@KikiYK The cartoon and anime characters are such a powerful tool, symbol and portal in your work, and I vibe with it and I LOVE it. Yesss, keep going! x
Play is sacred. Creative expression is sacred. I love this video so much! I can be who i am! 🎉
So glad to hear you chat about chaos magick again. You've always been one of my favorite voices on the topic.
I found you from that video. I didn't realize the vibe around the comment section but it was very helpful to me and I thank you for being a down to earth and grounded, source of information.
I like that you've described chaos magic as being outside the societal norms for magic, which itself is outside of societal norms.
It's as far out to the EDGE as possible 🤪
As a person who has several chronic health conditions that are changeable in severity & also levels & areas of disability I absolutely have to have extreme flexibility in my practice. Much of what you say here definitely vibes with how I work magic but I don’t know if it’s chaos magic. I’ve just bought some of the chaos magic books you originally suggested to explore further.
At the moment though I’m happy to just label myself as Witch & my path as witchcraft.
As I’ve reached my crone years I am shifting deities (with no qualms) to one’s more suitable to my future
Chaos Magick is most definitely the permission slip!
I have expereinced that struggle you spoke of with my own culture. I did not want to have anything to do with what was considered remotely "traditionally Mexican" but I felt guilty. Like if I was a triator to my community. I did my own witchy thing for years but those thoughts were always lurking in the back of my mind. After some shadow work and wanting to at least learn more about my heritage I began diving into some of it and soon found aspects that felt more like "home". I now embrace it and see it as a tool for connection to my ancestors. I have accepted it as one of the paradigms I can shift to within my chaos magickal tool belt. I love that I found a way to do what I felt was right and also keep what I enjoyed and had provided me with so much medicine in the past.
Greta fucking vid!
P.s. Your self-awareness is awe inspiring Kelly-Ann!
I have so much respect for that journey you took to reach that point of connecting authentically with your ancestral lineage, confronting that shadow work in the process. Nice! x
So grateful for this, especially on a sleepless night 🌙
Finally, another chaos magick video, yay! And much as I love all of your content, an occasional glimpse into your own colourful tapestry of witchy philosophy is always a special treat.
Love from Switzerland 🍒💚
So glad to give you what you've been patiently waiting for! ❤
I am terribly sorry that you had to go through such a strange experience on your video.
People are so odd and I just wanted to say that I love how you handled this situation. The way you express yourself is very commendable.
I adore your delivery and channel all together. 🖤 rooting for you always !
Definitely Chaos magick does seem to attract the “edge lords” Ask me how I know 😂
Haha. I don't miss that energy lemme tell ya. ;) I like edgy humour, but edgy takedowns of me and my audience in the lowest ways was.. ugh
@@kelly-annmaddox Yeah seems like there is some mega gate keeping going on, which seems counter to the whole premise of Chaos magick ✨
Hi! I've been into chaos magic as my main thing since the 90s (and im also a woman). wow, i can totally relate with everything you said but about chaos magick adjacent IRL cultures... the misogyny especially. You explained a lot of the draw to edge lords stuff so well!!! It helps me retro heal a lot of genuine efforts i made in magical circles way back when... where men were just... terrible. I feel SO for your 9 years ago self! I happily settled with taking my chaos magick into my own personal path circa late 90s where i stopped checking in with what was being discussed online. Otherwise i would have been helping kick ass in those creepoid comments you got!!
Love your ideas! Thank you ever so much for sharing your experiences and wisdom.
DAMN, this comment makes me feel so SEEN. Thank you. i'm sorry you also experienced that shite. All the more reason for us to take the theory and use it and talk about it (if we want to) because fuck that noise.
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@@kelly-annmaddox awww, I'm honored you feel seen since i feel so seen and more relevant to myself somehow watching your vids.
You said it!! This is especially timely for me as ive been feeling a calling to return to my chaosy roots!
@@cerin59 Yess, go back to that chaos-y soil and plant your seeds, haters be damned x
I feel like chaos magick works a bit like learning to cook different cuisines. Some people like to really focus on specific things (pastry chefs, Italian, French, etc) but others like to try a broad range of things based on what they enjoy in that moment. They try lots of different things, and develop a variety of skills that they add to their repertoire so that, eventually, they are able to whip up their own recipes using techniques and ingredients which would normally not go together to create new wonderful creations.
Some purists may see it as not giving respect to the traditions, but I feel it’s really about showing more respect and that you are able to learn the principles underpinning things and adapt them in new ways.
Similarly there are artists who stick purely to one art form (music, poetry, watercolour) then there are others who create mixed media. Both are valid, it depends on what the person wants to create at the end.
I hope this make sense and that I haven’t completely taken things the wrong way 🤣🙈
We love that you’re a little woman with red lipstick. ❤
This video was so cathartic. I see it was for many people for different bits! The shock you felt at chaote comment section has been my shock towards spiritualpreneur instagram. Im just a lil nerd scholar trying to make friends. I love all the shadow, wonder and customization of magic. And i was floored by the flagrant bypassing and exploitation and compulsive monetization. You're right about chaotes being so cool. It's such a unique mindset than eclectic witchcraft. You can really see us from space. I love us. Too bad it attracts unsavory joker dark knight types too. I laughed every time you said that 😂
I love seeing how your boundaries have evolved. This flavor of wisdom is priceless to me right meow. 🙏
'Nothing is true, everything is permitted' supermoon in Aquarius motto! There is no coincidence this video popped up for me to watch! I feel i have been rigid in my own view ans expectations of magick... i even messed up calling the corner during a circle with Starhawk and 50 orher ppl, back in 2004, and im just now getting to terms with how nervous i was.. 😅
You top and earrings are dynamite!❤❤❤
Ahh thank you darling x
@@kelly-annmaddox I've worked with hardcore chaotes and loved the energy and skill they brought to rituals and spell work. I like to call Chaos Magic the Jeet Kune Do of occultism.
@@skohtihamilton9443 What a delightful way to describe it! #brucelee #bewater
i’m late but your look in this video makes my child self happy. it’s so fun and mood brightening and artsy. my gosh i love your influence, i love your way of speaking, i love the effect you’ve had on me as a witch and as a person. i align so so much with you and your vibe and i’ve found more home within myself by watching you.
Absolutely. I completely get what you’re saying about inverting the theory to fit one’s warped idea.
Only part way through but yeah, I don't want anything to do with anyone who idolises the Joker! You look amazing.
Thank you Kelly-Ann, huge light bulb moment here!
I love that you are talking about chaos magick again! I think this background makes sense, I would love more of how you still use or apply the principles.
Wow. The concept of deep permission really resonated with me. Something delicious to ponder on. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sorry you went through all that crappy treatment. The internet can be such a stupid time.
PREACH! A lot of what you're saying here is why I stopped identifying as a chaote and chose to start identifying as a "magickal researcher" instead. Excellent vid!
The joker people! Totally know them. Have dealt with a lot of trauma from them.
you are amazing! keep being you. keep being fabulous! thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Thank you sooo much darling x
Everything i do is more playful, childlike, bursting into advert jingles ( from the 60's) 😱 . Always been different and not fitting in with the norm. Im at the stage now where i cannot be told what to do. Cannot stand rules that are obviously "mickeymouse".. having walked out of an over 30 years controlling marriage, where i couldnt have friends, only speak if im spoken to, stand to attention etc... now im a bit like a headless chicken but at least now i can at flap my arms about.
Fantastic video...
I was born on the Day of Irreverence. 💕
Wow! You look AMAZING!!!! You’d make a rainbow jealous with all your colours ❤❤❤
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I loved your videos on chaos magick and still think you're great!
This has totally opened up a doorway for me to explore. Thank you.
Excellent. I love a doorway or two (or three) 🚪 🚪 🚪
what a treat! there's definitely a lot i could say about my own relationship with finding freedom in magick and spirituality // i appreciate how you mentioned that folks such as me, we aren't necessarily raised believing we should or even could ditch our heritage--even when something else could be the very course we need -
it's been tireless work for me to find a comfortable middle ground - on one i feel it is my moral responsibility,, if i'm going to live in self-love, to at least know (if not carry forward) some measure of tradition (or rediscover how my upbringing in our motis has empowered me in my life and choose to nurture that forward), but on another i'm instinctively artistic in my approach to magick and spirituality ;; i need flexibility and reinvention and the random fucking crazy blah blah blah in my nonseculars - i see my life as art (and i believe a lot of Black people do) -
i'm not a chaote; i don't call myself one,, but i've always resonated with your content, your path, and i enjoy some of the overlap between what you've expressed and what i, as a fencerider, tightrope walker, have experienced - thank you for sharing!
This is great! Thanks for diving in to these ideas. 🐝❤️🔥
Fuckin A, right on 👏 I’m only a third of the way through watching this, and you keep asking if you’re making sense, yes, yes you are totally making sense. Also 24:24 yes I have experienced this! It’s mad out there.
That is so interesting you mention that! I’ve found that in every chaos magick group Ive happened upon theres a conceited “intellectual” prickery in abundance! Though I love chaos magick and particularly love using pop culture and historical figures.
Love, love, love this video. So many things I relate to. So many times i wanted to shout: This!
You opened the door to chaos Magick for me about 2 years ago and so many things have changed since then. I finally felt at "home" with my magickal practice. When I look back, I can see that I've always been a chaote, I just didn't know. Like you put it, I always thought that I failed because I jumped from one paradigm to another other the years and haven't been able to commit long term. Chaos Magick changed my magick, my spirituality, my life and I'm so thankful that I finally have words for how I felt during my whole magickal/spiritual journey and I know now, that it is ok. It helped me being me/ becoming more myself every day. It just clicked, finally.
Oh and I have to add, that I love that you talked about cutural appropriation and white privilege, this is so important.
Thank you Kelly-Ann for your videos. For your empowerment. For being you.
Chaos magic is wonderful! The magic and wonder evaporates, though, if you lie cheat or steal, if you hurt people on purpose and/or try to control and dominate others and then use CM to rationalize this unsavory behavior
FACTS
Coming to watch, Kelly-Ann. It's always a pleasure to listen to how you put things together conceptually. I agree with your emphasis on ethics 100%
I loved that video on the six principles! Coming from a fine art background and looking for ways to fit art and magic together, you and Phil Hine were big inspirations! Illigitimi non carborundom.
This video had me going on a rabbit hole of videos before I felt fully ready to watch this video! Lol! I went on a self discovery journey over the span of a couple days during new moon energies and loving every minute of it. Like finding the last piece of the puzzle. Thank you! I’m so bubbly and love pink and love and black and crows and everything inbetween. This really helped :)
So here for the discussion of ethics and pit falls of not having these in practice, this or any really, as well as all the wondrous bits. Great chat.
You've empowered me with this. Saving for repeat views, because it's so loaded with good stuff. Yes, you make so much sense🙏
I got that haterness when i asked a question on a fourms yrs ago, i asked som thing about happyness and being poor and having$ is that the better happyness ?. totally went straight to insults and ego boasting. I caused a dam war in the comments sec...last time i asked a question. I didn't think it was such a passionate debate. I can Liv in the middle both the artist and the witch that clicks wit me.🍹🍀
Another excellent video, which really helped me to understand where I am and where I am coming from spiritually. Personally I think the chaos magickian temperament doesn't quite fit my character, although I do have quite a few of their traits. It's wonderful to be able to be different and coexist creatively. Since discovering this channel my spiritual practice has been climbing the performance charts like there's no tomorrow! 💖
About Colonialism. You can look at it that way, but also I see deconditioning as being able to deconstruct held beliefs and see things from others’ perspectives. When i first heard about cultural appropriation i was clueless and had some really white privileged shit to unpack and look at. It was my value in deconditioning that allowed me to stop, listen and reevaluate my beliefs because they didn’t fit and didn’t serve me/the world/how i want to be.
Could you explain this more?
Kelly-ann, you are brilliant. I watched the vid from 9 years ago, and was thrilled to watch this current one. You are such a clear thinker. And your ethics are very admirable. I, finally, ordered Condensed Chaos. I'm biracial - white, European and African American. My mother was the one who shared her historic roots with me. My father suffered a lot of racist trauma, so he wasn't exactly forthcoming about his background or beliefs. I, mainly identity more with European, pagan beliefs (the ones we know about). But, I also am very interested in my African spiritual inheritance. So, I research both histories, knowing that I'm kind of lost in the middle. Chaos magick may be the solution to a bit of uncertainty I have regarding building an authentic practice that is respectful to my European and African roots. If you (or anyone, reading this) have any advice, I'd love to hear from you. By the way, I am in my crone years - if that matters. Thanks, so much, for your thoughtful, intelligent videos. Makes me feel less hopeless, given the state of the world.
Hi Kelly-Ann, I do understand everything you are saying here. A thought that came to mind as you were talking; is about the goddess" Eurynome", described in the goddess oracle by Amy Sophia Marashinsky. This is the goddess of Ecstacy. In the beginning poem, she talks about Chaos and Ecstasy. The story is that Eurynome made love with Ophion then assumed the form of a dove to lay the universal egg out of which all creation came.
And this is the key; Ophion not content with being a creation of Eurynome and then cocreating with her, boasted that he was "the supreme creator". Eurynome knocked out his teeth and banished him.
To me this is the mysogonistic element that shows up and is negative in response to chaos and ecstasy. It is just as you were describing it in this video. There is more to the description to the poem than I can write here. To get a full understanding you really need to read the whole chapter in her book.
Anyway keep up the great work. I am loving this video. You are one brave and powerful soul.
This is the video i needed today. Thank you for making it, you have really helped me.
Great video Kelly-Ann. Sorry you had all those experiences, but it seems they only made you tougher and more resolved.
Thank you for stepping forward. I love conversations on the subjects of magick. Also art 🎨. When I'm having a panic attack, I listen to these videos and write in my notebooks. It's like plunging into a body of water
Thank you so much for this. My previous exposures to chaos magic had that edgelord vibe (as you experienced re your previous video) that REALLY turned me off. Plus I had picked up the idea that ethics are irrelevant to a chaote, because there are no rules, right? So this was very, very good and helpful - I can be me and work within what is deeply important to me even as I explore whatever I'm drawn to.
Hello My Beautiful Sister! I'm a wee late learning chaos magick, I find it absolutely fascinating. I'm trying to learn how to work in the astral, but I have an extremely difficult time silencing my mind. My brain is a chatterbox, any tips would be appreciated. Thank you so much.
What, your looks, you're absolutely beautiful with a beautiful soul. Always a hater in the comments. Take care Love!!
I need to make a video about being able to work astrally.. Thanks for sharing your experiences and for your encouragement. Keep going x
I love that you kept going back to the Joker in the Dark Knight 😆 spot on. Big incel energy out there
I was looking for a sign to help get me out of a lull with my witchcraft practice and this is the spark I needed,thank you for always putting out such informative videos,they always make me think and look at other perspectives❤️😊
Thanks for sharing all of this. It's wonderful to hear you talk about chaos magick more.
I've been watching someone's content, trying to decide if i want to take some classes with them on chaos magick and various other things...and everything you've addressed in this video speak to why I'm having qualms about moving forward. There's so much of an edgelord vibe inherent in the content, and this creator doesn't usually call it out or confront it. They often side step it and stay on topic in spite of problematic nuance that might arise. And i get why they might do that...but its definitely given me pause in moving forward because i feel like in this day and age, we shouldn't be silent about addressing problematic behaviors. But like someone else said, chaos magick is one of the only realms available where it feels like i can create my own practice and find my own way without appropriating. I think moving forward with caution is key. Keeping colonial ideologies in mind so that i can question and deconstruct them when they present themselves and push through them. That's my theory anyway.
This is my theory about this: Chaos magic is chaotic, and those that work with those forces will be formed by it and thus become chaotic. The more you work with it the more chaotic you will become until you are like it in every aspect. This means that the Alignment of the practitioner on the good/evil scale is very important. If an evil practitioner of chaos magic goes all the way, they need to break every rule in order to mater it. Meaning even the 6 principles needs to be broken, otherwise they cannot master it.
Thus only a good aligned person can master chaos magic without becoming a destructive force in this world. There is a way to turn evil people into good people and unlock the chaos within and connecting to the Plane of Chaos. That is a Right Hand Path that actually believes power will be bestowed, giving a person that understand they are evil a complete ego death, by following the strict rules of the religion that they have chosen. The more difficult the path the more power will be given at the end. I personally walked the Seventh day Adventist path and I believe that is the most difficult path that anyone can walk. When you receive the Chaos, you can then walk the Left Hand Path and truly do whatever you want, and because you are good you would never do anything evil. An evil chaos magic practitioner, creates chaos in the world because all they have is order. A Good chaos magic practitioner orders the chaos within and affect the material world with surgical accuracy, and thus creates order.
An evil person that walks the left hand path needs to abide to the principles and can never break them, at best they can bend the rules a little bit. Accidents can happen so the power is not complete.
The Left Hand Path connects to Order, teachings you skills on how to use the Chaos that you received, to harness it and focus it. Chaos is Massive Black Hole, the Mega Devil, he is Chaotic Good because he absorbed all Light in the Realm of Light aka Heaven. Order is a white hole that adds Light into the realm of Darkness aka Hell. Thus Chaos Magic is Order Magic, or the Structuring of Chaos. You need both the Right Hand Path and the Left Hand Path in order to master it, when you have done that you can do anything. Break and bend the laws of physics if you so desire. This is coming soon. It is a matter of belief and a True Believer, which is what you become if you follow the Right Hand path of SDA till the end.
Light does not move, it fills the entire space it occupies and is stagnant. I know Science determined the speed of light and all that, but what they discovered was the speed of darkness.
In the realm of Light, Chaos came there to enable change. The White Hole adds stasis in an ever shifting realm of chaos/darkness. If Light moved, then space would be all light and not dark, but it is dark. Meaning that the points of light we see are static points that we observe in a vast tapestry of Darkness that moves. You can even cast a shadow on a planet by sending out a light beam. Light dispels darkness, it does not go forth, it just reveals what is already there. It is the darkness that moves. Anyway that is how I see it. :)
Well done xxx❤️🩷❤️
Gonna talk about myself here, before bringing it to your door.
I didn't exactly choose chaos magic. Chaos magic didn't precisely choose me.
I think, somewhere between my first and second instars, and my finding my feet as a full fledged fifth instar, there was a point where the chaos of the universe ... opened up inside me, and I knew what I was.
Gods, I never talk about me. Rule One: never make it about yourself.
Your magic is an expression of you, manifest in the world. It's all imaginary, and we all leave it sooner or later, so all anybody can really do is sing your song to the world and let it join in, make your music shape the world in subtle ways, and you do you.
When you show the universe how much you love it, it loves you back for as long as you are there. So your chaos magic works the way you want it to, because that's who you are, and I am so happy to have found you here.
Current mood music as I type this: Jean Michel Jarre, Chronology, 30th anniversary. The music I use in my workings.
I may be slightly stoned at this time.
Love. I'm attracted to these chaos magic videos (though I've not read any of the books yet) because the discourse resonates with my own idea of the flexibility I need in order to be "real" and "true" ...I need to be able to access "me" and go where I need to go when working spiritually and magically. (By the way, been skulking around watching your videos for a while and LOVE LOVE LOVE the authenticity, intelligence, heart, playfulness, and over-all vibe.) Anywho, I DO have an inner morality that works as a tether for me and lets me know when I'm encountering a kind of structure, system, or dogma that is out of alignment with my authentic nature. However and at the same time... structure, systems, routines, and rituals DO also have something to offer WHEN I can create those structures using the tools and ideas I've encountered externally and internally.
I have often likened my spiritual and magical practices to art (so I love that you mentioned art here) ...a painting has an edge, a frame, a container of some sort that holds the creation together or else the paint (the work) will spill over into oblivian and thus, the work is lost and cannot exist. For me, chaos magic (as I am understaning it so for) allows me to create a structure and create inside of it, finish it, and make another work of art. I can obsess over a "subject" that I'm painting and make multiple versions of that art, or I may create something and move on if it feels complete for me. So the level of depth is informed by an inner muse, inner truth, if that makes sense. It would not make sense to me to dig a well in a spot where, ultimately, I will not access the fountain so to speak.
I love the discussion about "snatch and grab" cultural appropriation. As a
flesh-and-bones-manifestation of the melting pot here in the states, I find that the multicultural sense of identity is a double-sided blade. I have certain freedoms of thought around my cultural identity and spiritual understandings but lack a sense of cultural cohesiveness in the form of tribe or lineage. To help remedy this, I lean into ancestor work and feel into those histories and stories as a way to build upon my practices without stepping on sacred tootsie toes. I'm still learning and growing in this area...an evolving hot topic for sure!
I'm taking away these two phrases: Gatekeeping, and Snatch and Grab. There's a vibe attached to each one of these phases and for now feeling/sensing those vibes in others and myself has the power to illuminate my interactions and choices in an in-the-moment sort of way without trying to pin a nuanced disernment to a dart board.
Thanks Kelly-Ann
You introduced me to chaos magic. I still vibe with the principles. And I’m still walking the wild and winding path with Loki.
This year has been a lot of death/change/rebirth/death/change. So you’d better believe I’m going to be switching my practice up just to be able to keep afloat.
Loki is definitely a Chaote from way back eh 😁
I can live in the middle, too!!! 🥳🥳🥳
Thank you for this permission slip yet again, Kelly-Anne 💜
Thank you so much Kelly-Ann for this video! Especially for the section on cultural appropriation and chaos magic, this is something I've been struggling with! I've been worried that I may be partaking in CA, whilst being a chaos magician. This has put a lot of things in perspective for me and is a means to move forward in my practice to make sure I'm not contributing to that BS, thank u!
Hello beautiful, I absolutely love your shirt ❤❤❤ I was just trying to find it because i would wear the shiz out of that but I'm having no luck ! 😆
I loved this video;
Your chanel, and that infamous video was one the things that inspired me to try "chaos magick".
Lately ive been doing a lot of soul searching around my relarionship with the "chaos magician" label. While in a sense its always a part of me, and i usually come back to speaking about it, i dont definw myself as one for similar reasons; gate keeping, superiority, and the "im the right".
Like you i thought the scne would ve open minded, but its very opinionated. For analogy its what reminded me of my "punk phase growing up"; im sure you can relate theres the punk rock elite- that seem to miss the point the most.
Id argue "cmg" is a way of life, and this point most people are. Paradoxiaclly when one gets over the "chaos magick" label, is when they paradoxically "get it".
As far as ethics, id say "its not my job to sell you my magick, im just sharing what ive found, and hopefully ill help another do the same".
wow I love your look!!
also ... I might be a chaote..
Thanks for sharing your discernment on the subject! It feels like the principles of chaos magick, when viewed from a marginalized perspective are very freeing and empowering. In fact, as a queer black woman, we are always told what we should or should not do/be. So chaos magick can be like I sanctuary.
But when we look at it from a the point of view of very entitled fascist men, it almost feel like the exact people they despise are coming for their "privilege", and that could also explain the wave of misogyny, hate and gate keeping.
It's like free speech, it is originally a way of maintaining democracy but white supremacists use it as a mean to spread their hateful ideas.
I hope what I wrote was understandable, I'm French and tried my best. Thank you again for the work you put into the world. Take care ❤
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“Chaos magic is about your own experiences” just reiterates how going on and saying “I’m a chaote!” and then “you’re doing it wrong!” is practically an oxymoron. (Emphasis on the “moron”)
You can’t say something is unique to you, and then say someone else is doing it wrong because they’re not doing it your way.
That would make it NOT. Unique.
Why are people? I just don’t get it.
Love a Kelly Ann car ride vid❤
Have you done a video where you talk about your favorite books , if you have any, on Chaos Magick? I am attracted to Chaos Magick but I'm not sure about any of the books on them that I have come across. Thank you Kelly!
"a choice to adopt a belief to see if it works" I LOVE that. I struggle with the concept of faith/belief and for a while thought I was automatically locked out of the world of spirituality but hearing this is so empowering. A permission slip indeed!
I think people severely misunderstand the chaos magic. It is not about being eclectic or chaotic. Chaos - is the nothingness, it is a beginning and end of everything, it is eternal abyss. To be able to work with such powerful entity, you need to experience something beyond possible, you need to die and rebirth again. You need to live multiple lives and have old soul, you need to drop all emotions. Else you get destroyed if you once try to enter Chaos. Everything else what is called "Chaos magic" is just a hippie talks.
I love this video so much. I just bought your book. I can’t wait to read it. Thank u ❤
Thanks for the support honey! 🥰💕
"filmed on a potato..." 🤣🤣
Yes, I’m here for the cultural appropriation/white privilege/cultural reclamation conversation 100%. My take on it as a mixed person has been extreeeeeemly controversial for my mostly-white audience over the years, with accusations of gatekeeping, etc. My most recent video (The Societal Shadows of Cultural Appropriation) lost me so many subs (good riddance to bad rubbish, honestly). So the fact that you have the self-awareness here of your influence plus your innate ability to articulate it is great. I love that you have the consideration of marginalized groups. 💕
I can see why chaos magick might attract people with abusive, opportunistic tendencies. It's a bit lawless in that it removes traditional limitations and restrictions. One of its biggest appeals is that it "has no rules" and there's a similar tone adopted in some of the most toxic online "manosphere" ecosystems.
Came for the content, stayed for the earrings, they're the prettiest!
Thankyou so much for talking about chaos magic aswell as white privilege, this I'd do important and I appreciate you making contact that covers both!
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I loved every bit of this! 🎉
Chaos magick feels so natural for me an anarchist. It's the ultimate refusal to be bound by conventions and traditions. I agree though...that's also unfortunately what makes it attractive to edgelords. Sorry that you had such low vibe energy in the comment section of the original video. You deserve better. The red lipstick comments sounded especially sexist, to be honest. By the way, love the discussion on cultural appropriate because I've been worrying about that quite a bit recently!
BTW, the Nietzsche example is great. I really enjoyed reading Niezsche and I was horrified to learn what kinds of shady dudebro people misinterpret Niezsche....yikes. Love that example though.
This! Especially as a proper anti-capitalist, collective-action-to better-the-world anarchist! I practiced chaos for about five years before the Cheeto ran for President, and the amount of posting on chaos magic forums with all these disgusting white boys talking about how they were going to vote for a rapist BECAUSE they thought he might destroy the world made me so sad and angry that I walked away from magic altogether for the longest time. Chaos is the only kind of magic I'm capable of, but I couldn't do anything without feeling like I was endorsing these monsters. Just no.
what you say doesn't surprise me even though I didn't know it was that bad (it's awful you had to deal w shitty comments). when I first came across chaos magic, pretty early in my witchy development so like about 15 years ago (oof) first I was like oh these ideas are really cool and really fit me, but then I went looking for people talking about this shit and they were all these pompous dudes who took themselves extremely seriously and it was just bad vibes misogynistic smug all around so I let it go. In hindsight looking at where I am now I basically recreated a lot of chaos magic principles on pure instinct. I have ADHD and it's just the way my brain works when applied to spirituality lmao. And I think it's why I was so drawn to your channel as well because your stuff really leans into those principles without the grody package. And I think your explanations of why it draws those kinds of people are really interesting. I think the gender aspect plays a huuuge part in this, in my experience there are some dudes who come to occultism to buff up their confidence and sense of self importance, then they see a lot of the witchy spiritual community nowadays gives a much bigger place to women and so called female qualities like intuition, compassion, community etc, so as a reaction they go hard into the other direction and over invest in the intellectual stuff and looking down on practices that are more faith/emotion/tradition/community based and seen as more feminine (not to say women can't be intellectual, more as a social construction). Kind of the incels/tech bros/mra's of the witchy world. They think they're rebelling against Society but really they're just rebelling against Mommy.
And on top of that whenever I met women who were into chaos magic they were these really smart badass sexy anarchist academic types discussing Foucault while wearing combat boots types lmao 😍 so I absolutely agree it can draw amazing people - men too I'm sure I just have not met a lot of them. I can think of one who was influenced by it and cool and he was super gay. Anyway I think yeah it has a lot to do with how you conceptualize freedom as someone who has a lot of social privilege - so also regarding whiteness - and how toxic it can be to put freedom above everything else, it also becomes freedom to hurt and freedom to destroy, appropriate, ignore other people, have no empathy, perpetuate oppression, etc. So yeah if chaos magic is a tool I want to use it to be a decent person who lives in the real world with other people and not just in my head. Anyway great video felt validating somehow I might go back to this stuff a bit - sorry for the rant in the comments 😂😂
Hi Kelly I really appreciate this video! I'm sorry you got those comments. I would love to learn more, do you know of any good books that discuss chaos magick ? I really resonate with it so im curious. ❤ thank you again for your videos!
Hi Sophie, so KAM has a great video where she makes 3 book recommendations and gives a summary for you as well czcams.com/video/Vpr8OvofZ9w/video.html
The three books are:
Condensed Chaos by Phil Hine
Prime Chaos by Phil Hine
Liber Null and Psychonaut by Peter J Carroll
Hope this is helpful!
- Dani 🦡🦡
Sorry for you and your subscriber’s dealing with chaos magick
damn! It looks like you found the fight club/facts-don't-care-about-your-feelings of the internet back then
One thing that Chaos did, at least for me, was cut through certain self delusions. I studied kabala and vedanta to reach higher spiritual levels. Even when i was doing lsd and mescaline it was spiritual quest and i very much looked down on all the speed freaks around me. Bull shit. Magic is about power. Don Juan sais, the best of men are the hunters and the best hunters are the wariors, for they hunt power. I think Chaos sticks our noses in that, and thus attracts a more agressive out-front sort of folks.
There is something extremely ironic in the idea of those praising and practicing chaos magic telling you exactly how you cannot and should not practice and how you cannot be. How your ways of seeing magic, your way of thinking and being was so offensive and upsetting to them, and even the fact that they have the need to tell you that their way is better and superior. It's being an edgelord asshole and, probably, a lot of insecurity combined, ugh.
The concept of one thing attracting two completely different types of people is always interesting to me. Reminds me of this book series, where the two main types of readers could not be more different, with completely opposite opinions and attitudes, and there is very little space for something in between. There's probably a similar explanation for it there.
How can i do chaos magick if im blind?
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