Is the Earth 6,000 Years Old? | Apologetics with Dr. Frank Turek
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- This video is in response to a commenter who said, “The Bible specifically says the Earth is 6000 years old but the planet is way older. Why would anyone believe a lick of any of it if the first thing the book said was bull***?”
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God existed before the universe and God will exist after the universe. Time is meaningless for he created it too.
The universe very well could be billions of years old. To us humans that seems long but to God that doesn’t even amount to a second for him. Because he is infinite
According to the Bible man brought death into the world by sin. The Old-Earth theory is one of Evolution where death and natural selection brought man into the world.
It does make a difference.
So was God committing a sin when he destroyed Sodom & Gamora and flooded the planet and killed everyone on it except Noah?
These are not "theories on equal footing". One is derived from an old book. The other is evident in all of nature and manifested in multiple scientific theories. The term "theory" in science does not mean what it means in everyday life tho. It's a model. A scientific theory is the highest standard for knowledge we, humanity as a whole, have. There is nothing above it. Nobody claims it's infallible, but there certainly is no thing that's clother to "truth" we can achieve.
@@Yamyatos That "old book" is the inspired Word of the Lord God. That's what we're talking about: The Word Of God vs the word of man.
@@christafarion9 So the bible is the word of god. Because the bible says so. And that's why we trust the bible to be the word of god in the first place, huh?
Just hypothetically.. let's assume it's not the word of god but the word of men, who claim it to be the word of god. Do you see the problem here?
Not to mention the bible was written by people too. And there is little reason to believe any of it happened, since the bible is the only source for any of the major events described in the bible. We are talking about a book that managed to openly contradict itself on multiple occassions. If it's inspired by a god, what does that tell us about said god?
@@Yamyatos please post said contradictions, I'd be happy to iron them out for you. Particularly, there's tons of evidence that Jesus was a real person, and that many of the characters of the Bible where historical figures. People like Pontious Pilate,and the Herods.
You have some of these young earth people calling followers of Jesus who believe the old earth heretics. It’s pretty ridiculous.
Did Turek give an actual answer? We're still in the seventh day. Seems longer than twenty-four hours.
we are not
So that's been the problem all this time. God is still resting and on vacation. No wonder so much crap like war, and sin happen all of the time on the earth. And so many suffer. lol . (just kidding. I know that all falls on to man. And God doesn't have anything to do with it, except that he decided to allow man to have freedom of choice. Which is why I think was the straw that broke the camels back with the (fallen) Angels. God giving man "free will". Because that is the beginning of sin, and evil. Man does not need any help from "demons" to do wrong and commit sin. He's already got that one covered. And why Jesus died for us, because in the end we're not a bright as we think we are. ). Take care!
2Pet. 3. [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
We are in the 7th day. It’s long periods of time.
What about the age of mankind 6,000 years vs what science says? Any material on this?
His answer is "when you get to heaven God isn't going to ask you if you think the world was old or not." At that point you might as well stop watching because you know at the end of the day, to him ,the truth is not as important as the text. They go on to say "I think" or word salad their way through trying to interpret what certain passages mean. If God cared about his creation understanding him and being saved from hell fire, he wouldn't have left it this ambiguous and confusing for thousands of years. It should be cut and dry. No room for "I think."
God doesn't make it confusing, man does.
@@dorcasmcleod9439but didn't god make man who wrote his story through his inspiration (there goes free will)? So if true than god made it confusing then!
lol inspiration/revelation doesn’t mean controlling. And salvation isn’t based on earth history. The Bible isn’t an encyclopedia- it’s a story of Christ. The beginning of genesis is to show The Lords reign over absolutely all of creation. He is the authority
The Chinese must’ve been fascinated watching god creating the earth. They have written history dating back 8,000 years.
😊😊😊
How do we know this happened 8,000 years ago?
What are you on about? No they don't. Their written history only goes back 3500 years.
Liar
Dude. Get a new search engine.
I love that everybody in the church makes up stories of what god would do/say to your questions. Just say you don’t know if you’re being truthful
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
(Joh 1:3) This includes the earth that was sitting there formless and void. The Hebrews that believed God 's word did NOT think that matter was eternal.
What a bunch of gibberish . They pretty much went into spewing a bunch of nonsense without really answering a simple question. In the beginning is says God created the heavens and the earth. It doesn’t say God molded the heavy and the earth smh. It’s pretty plain and simple
Why would God had created the earth to exist for millions of years without humans? What would be the point?
The more you know the more you don’t know and it will be that way til forever.
Pointless question because God existed before the universe and God will exist after the universe. God is infinite.
A period on earth with or without humans is less than spec of “time” to God
Maybe I’m the one confused now
@@dylongarrett4779 still not a pointless question because God does everything for a reason and it would make no sense for God to have to wait millions of years in order for the earth to be habitable for humans to bring glory to Him which was the entire point of creating the earth and humans in the first place.
@@laynekurtchris4122 God didn't create the universe for us, he created it for his own glory. We are not and have never been the "point", he is. So the point of everything that exists without humans (for example, other galaxies!) is not for human consumption- its mere existence, like a piece of artwork, brings joy to God. Same with our existence, in fact.
I always liked the idea God likes the number 7. And whenever the 7th thousand years begin that is when the Millennium Kingdom begins.
The Mesopotamians must’ve been very impressed watching god create the earth
It’s funny how you people read something online and think it’s a fact. Please prove that any ancient source is reliable and trustworthy… I’m sure you apply that thought pattern to the Bible so don’t be shy apply it to your 30 second google searches too💀
@@Mojojojo335 ffs bro it’s a joke, take a breath
@@Onyx_Productionswhere's the humor?
Wow finally some common sense on the subject. Nobody, not Christians, not scientists know exactly how old is the earth. It really doesn't matter. Only that God was behind creating the Heavens and Earth and everything in it. Why isn't that good enough?
The Bible very clearly states that death entered the world BECAUSE OF SIN. God shed the first blood when He killed the LAMB to provide COVERING for Adam and Eve as a picture of what He would do for humanity--Jesus would eventually BE that LAMB OF GOD, providing COVERING with blood over all our sin. If the lamb wasn’t the first instance of death, but hundreds of thousands of dinosaurs, etc. had died for eons before, then what does that say about God’s claim?
If day is this open to this level of interpretation, then does a day in all the rest of the bible not mean a 24hr period? When does the bible mean a day and when does it not mean a day? If you wish to respond, please provide your rational as well explaining this ‘this day’ & ‘that day’.
Secondly, we need to be careful when giving this narrative of the first 11 chaps of Genesis because this unravels the literal interpretation of the rest of the bible.
Great teacher is Turec. This is a genuine question
Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time.
I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc...
Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time?
In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day.
After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over?
Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going...
I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation.
Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made.
Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends.
Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day.
Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6!
2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90.
Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet?
2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process.
So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first.
I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think.
I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourself.
2Pet. 3. [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. or a billion years
The oldest living trees in the world are only 4500 years old.
No… old-tjikko ( Name of a Tree ) which is in sweden is 9950 years Old… and somewhere else is a Forest out of Aspen, which is 80.000 years old.
so, these oldest trees were seeds at some time.
That's an idiotic statement and you have numb skull christians agreeing with you without thinking that even if that was the oldest tree today doesn't prove anything because that tree had to be seeded by even older trees! This probably doesn't even fit the global flood myth!
California Bristlecone Pine,,5065 years,,, supposedly,,,
There aren't any 80000 year old ones,,,👎🤨🧐😒🙄🤯💥
God didn’t come unto the world which was “already there.” God created the heavens and the earth.
Often people who don't have answers to questions, shift the question elsewhere. This is what Turek has done.
He thinks Moses wrote the first chapter as a polemic rejection of Egyptian religion… implying that it is not an accurate account but is rather more poetical. That it originated with Moses rather than God. Does that not undermine the accuracy we claim to attribute to scripture? I disagree with him on this point anyhow. Many scholars (ppl much smarter than me) read the text and believe that Gen 1-4 were originally written (documented/recorded) by Adam and passed down, Seth wrote/recorded his part and passed it down, Noah continued the family document, until it finally got to Moses who, having access to ancient documents in the Egyptian records, and was highly educated and would have known how to use the latest writing methods (paper scrolls vs tablets) due to his status in the Pharohs household likely compiled them into a single text and saved them from destruction at the hands of the pagan polytheistic Egyptians, subsequently adding his rather large contributions to the document.
Next:
He said first that “God came upon the world…” but then said we believe “God created the World out of nothing…” So which is it?
Hebrews 11 doesn’t say that the things we see were created out of nothing, it says they were created from things we can’t see. There’s a difference. Again we’re looking at a spiritual God creating a physical universe.
The Bible doesn’t say he came upon a formless world that was “already there” It says “God created the heavens and the earth.” Apparently it didn’t look like anything we would recognize, but he still created it. He goes on to talk about how God then added form to it, which is accurate.
He talks about “creating” as “rearranging” but the verse he gives is talking about a new creation, not a rearranging…
He said you have to decide whether it is ontological creation or functional creation… why? I believe it is both. God created it, (materials) and then he ordered it in such a way it worked and functioned.
I do agree, it probably shouldn’t be a test of orthodoxy, we are allowed to disagree. However, we must be willing to have these discussions. I think it is funny though how careful he is to make sure he doesn’t make a hard statement so he can’t be held to it…
And then he basically relegated Genesis 1-11 into simply allegorical and metaphorical “just showing us how God works in our hearts…” That’s like saying, don’t read too much into this Word of God because he didn’t REALLY mean what he said… I disagree with that 100%
Then he said the Bible is using “observational language not literal language”… so when God observed his creation of the earth and began having man record Genesis 1 as 7 days using observational language, that still leaves us with 7 days …? How does that get around the fact that creation took 6 days?
Finally he said “You have to use things from outside the Bible to understand what the Bible says…”
I disagree. I think he is backwards. Prov 1:7 says “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge “ in other words, you start with the Bible to understand the things outside the Bible.
Whenever you try to use things outside the Bible to understand the Bible you are using inferior materials and methods to try to prove an infallible Word. You cannot interpret the Word correctly by foisting secular ideas upon the Bible. (Millions of years) Secular ideas are fallible and often (usually) wrong. We can only understand our world when we begin with the Bible, but we can definitely (and usually) misunderstand the Bible by beginning with the world.
I don’t know if it is true, but these guys sounds like seminary graduates to me .
Seminaries are a great place to find secular theories inserted into Christianity in such a religious way that they sound intelligent. so many assume because the speakers have letters after their name and use big words they must be right. They are great places of secular indoctrination where “ministers in training” are taught to explain away the word of God, undermine truth, and teach that God didn’t really mean what he said.
What strikes me in this clip is how vague they both were and how vaguely they choose to interpret the text. They refused to be tied down and give a hard answer. That’s fine I guess, but it seems like they are more interested in not offending people than taking a stand for their faith. Maybe I’m missing it after only seeing such a short clip but there’s my hot take.
2Pet. 3. [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. or a billion years because if God exists in eternity, then time doesn't matter to him that's the point. so, these days of creation don't have to be taken as literal 24 hr. days.
Was gonna frame my debate, but no one is gonna listen. It's obvious from the framing of doctrine. Adios muchachos!
Debate this. Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time.
I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc...
Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time?
In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day.
After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over?
Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going...
I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation.
Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made.
Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends.
Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day.
Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6!
2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90.
Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet?
2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process.
So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first.
I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think.
I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourselves.
God did not write books. People did
I find it amazing how people allow naturalistic scientists dictate how we should interpret an obviously supernatural account of creation. Genesis 1-11 means what it says. If Jesus is God and He said man was there at "the beginning of creation (Mark 10:6)," not some protracted period much, much, much later, then I am going with Jesus on this despite what naturalistic scientists say, or for that mater, what Christians who should know better are saying.
You do not understand the problem here.
You see, it is very easy for a very foolish and simple minded person to read the Bible and Genesis in a literal manner and believe it as what it says literally and become a believer in, lets say, 6k old flat earth, like many Christians do.
Yet when you are not a foolish and simple minded person, it is everything else but simple to read Genesis in a literal manner and believe the earth is flat and 6k years old.
People who has learned to understand the basics of scientific study and what astronomers and geologists has found is extremely solid reality and all the evidence point out that the earth is NOT flat but a globe and it is not 6k years old but billions of years old. This is why people with a slightly more wisdom than usual cannot read Genesis literally.
@@nikokapanen82 Exactly. The whole "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" narrative is slowly killing Christianity. People who insist on a 6,000 year old earth are accepting a MODERN interpretation (much as they do with endless other theological issues). Bishop Usher calculated 6,000 years but it wasn't until the 50s really that young earth creationism was birthed.
And it was one guy (Henry Morris) who wrote one book, not based on scientific evidence but based on a made up theory that included all kinds of asinine ideas including a "water canopy" that led to a decline in life expectancy from 500+ years to 50+. These people also fail to realize that the Bible says that the earth is flat, yet they somehow manage to skip over that part.
You are misquoting that verse, Mark 10:6, "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female," Genisis states that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day so obviously Jesus is not speaking about the beginning of creation of the earth here, but is referring to the beginning of creation of man...
@@joseysparadise9899 The natural understanding of "beginning" in this context is referring to the first verse of Genesis: "In the beginning..." The entire creation week, which includes the creation of man, took place at the beginning. The expression "beginning of creation" is synonymous with the beginning of time. In Mark 13:19, Jesus uses that expression in antithesis to the end of time. If one were to map out a timeline from the beginning until now, according to old earth creationists, man would not be at the beginning of time but much, much later. Your quibble about man being created six days later is quite frankly immaterial. In normal everyday language there is no substantial difference between the split second of the beginning of time and six days, if one were describing the beginning of time for chronological purposes that would be meaningful to normal everyday people, not scientists who are splitting hairs over seconds, picoseconds, etc. Jesus was/is a young earth creationist. Deal with it.
@@davidkea1607 Yeah so.. most scholars agree that genesis 1:1 is actually a mistranslation. It should be something closer to "When god began to create the heavens and the earth", which is then continued in the following verses describing the events in more detail.
genesis was also written for us in the modern age
Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time.
I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc...
Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time?
In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day.
After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over?
Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going...
I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation.
Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made.
Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends.
Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day.
Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6!
2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90.
Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet?
2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process.
So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first.
I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think.
I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourselves.
To me, It is important that we know how long God took to create the earth > This is a display of His Power as God, and part of the very first miracle, as Dr. Turek stated, when God said "Let there be Light"
To ignore the time it took God to make the earth and allow different theories to "keep developing" it would mean God's power is being questioned (Is He really able to create the earth in just 6 days? Is He really powerful enough to do it in such a short amount of time?)
God could have created the earth in a wink of an eye, but chose to do it in 6-days to display His perfection and patience, otherwise it would display that God might be lazy or unable to be creative as it takes a human being hours to days to years just to come up with one (1) brilliant idea.
For all we know, He could have created the earth in an instant (As He is OUTSIDE of time) and just given it the description of "Days" for us to be WITHIN time, otherwise we too would start believing that our eternity is gained through ourselves and not through Him or Jesus Christ. Thus rendering the resurrection of Christ "meaningless", as we too would then already have eternity on earth and the theory of "Evolution" would be true (A billions of year old earth that started with... soup)
Dr. Turek also stated in a debate against Dennis Normak, in 2017, that God named all the animals in day 6 where in actuality, ADAM named all the animals (My opinion: Mankind has always had knowledge otherwise how would Adam have been smart enough to name thousands of animals. We, too, have given names to animals in history) Genesis 2:20 > And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
So the insects are another story....
So, to conclude, if God were to take "Billions of years" to form the earth and the universe, He would surely not be "ALL POWERFUL" because time would then exist in His plain.....
Lmao gos must be so grateful to have you around to speak for him
God existed before the universe and God will exist after the universe. Time is meaningless for he created it too.
The universe very well could be billions of years old. To us humans that seems long but to God that doesn’t even amount to a second for him. Because he is infinite
I personally dont believe any of this, but it would take an omnipotent god an infinitely small amount of time to create everything. An omniscient god wouldnt have to think or evaluate what they did either, they would just know. So whether it is 6 days, or thousands or millions of years.. yes it makes a difference, but isnt "it taking time at all" problematic to how most christians view their god?
Leaving the realm of mythology, evolution is as "true" as a scientific theory can be. There isnt really a point arguing against it, nor is there a debate about it among scientists.
forthering8774 ***God do not display His power with "jet fighters or nuclear bombs, God is LOVE, God is a SPIRIT. The ignorance of this people is creating all this polemic, they do not know, or worst they do not wont to now how to read a marvellous book like the BIBLE. The best way to demonstrate EVOLUTION is to read the bible as it is supposed to be : you can see the evolution of the concept of god as you progress in this kind of literature. This Universe is never the same Universe from moment to moment, also there is nothing in this universe equal, a poet who lived in the 16th century once said : "this world is composed of change taking always a new quality"
the bible never claimed the earth was 8000 or 6000 or however old
Not explicitly. The Young Earth Creationist argument is derived from genealogies, starting at Adam and Eve. It leaves us at around 6000 years old
God speaks and things are created on the spot; He doesn't need 6 days, or 6 millions or time itself to create something but We, the creation, need to put a time frame to undertstand him. If you intepret things literally, the bible itself says not even in millions of years we could even get closer to undertand his nature; that's why the bible wasn't made to be about astrophysics but rather the way you should live to be blessed.
A Day = a day, There was evening & there was morning the first Day!
And yet in that same verse, prior to your definition, a "day" equals 12hrs. "God called the light 'day,' and the darkness night. So we now have 2 biblical definitions for "day" Also, the seventh day has no mention of morning or evening (a literal 24hr sense) when God entered His rest from His creative activity which continues to the present. So, make that 3 different definitions. A day does not always equal a day (morning and evening). It seems to me the text is a little more complex than we give it credit. Just saying :)
a thousand years is like a day to the lord that's in the bible or a billion years it doesn't matter to God if he exists in eternity..
God is God, not a human being molded by space and time on terms of sensorial experience and cognitive perception that uses time to limit the potential of the Creator. Is God no capable of create the earth an the heaven on just one week? anybody was there as a witness that God needed thousands or millions of years to create the hearth?
I don’t know how you can sleep at nite
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@@rememberme3762Lying to the people
We have people here saying "I don't think Moses meant... "Augustine says... "Can't take Genesis as more than poetics...
"Its not important..."
Just like the Devil said in his lies about the scriptures. "Did God really say....
Another bunch of lies designed to cause confusion and shipwreck faith.
All scripture is God breathed and useful in understanding God and the creation.
Get the Creation wrong and you will assume other things are wrong and then you are opening yourself to a Cult!
TRUTH IN LOVE
@Truth
I think you have a pretty wild imagination. 😊
To you, everything is a conspiracy theory.
Get over it. You call yourself Truth and yet you seem to think that Christians who disagree with you on minor theology are a bunch of cults and false teaches. C’mon 😊
You do know that these people have theology degrees, right? I may not agree with Turek on everything but when it comes to apologetics, he’s one of those who know what they’re talking about.
@@BiblicalChristianityAliceHi Alice You said " You do know that these people have theology degrees, right?"
Just saying that the Top Experts who designed the Titanic said the Titanic was unsinkable. They had degrees!
I follow the Spirit inspired writings of fisher men, tax collectors, etc... They had no degrees! They had common sense and God given wisdom.
Happy to answer any questions you might have.
I taught Creation vs Evolution for over 30 years. The Earth IS only about 6000 years old. Its pretty easy to prove.
TRUTH IN LOVE
@@truth7416 Please do a video on this topic of earth age. Please share your knowledge and wisdom. Sincerely, me.
@@mrshmanckles1463 Answers in Genesis and Kent Hovind are readily available. The answers are there.
@@truth7416 AIG is not a reliable source for learning anything science related. They have a 'statement of faith' on their website that tells us if anything contradicts scripture, it's wrong. They have a lisr of 'arguments you should not use', and they change that list again and again, as they learn they are wrong about much of science and reality.
Well, that's convenient if you don't care about being honest..
Creationists who claim everything was created over a period of days and then 'finished' are demonstrably wrong.
The universe and nature are not 'finished'. We know this because of many, many observations of the real world and universe. We observe galaxies in various stages of formation, we see stars going through their life cycles and dying, we know new stars are still forming; our own Milky Way galaxy gains a star or two every year. Planets are not 'finished' either. We observe the fact that mountains are growing, new land masses and islands are forming, etc.
The only way we can make the Bible fit reality is to not take it literally to the extent that it contradicts what we observe in the real world.
The only way it could work is if we believe God made everything with the ability to change over time, because that's what we see in real life.
So, no literal six day creation and then 'finished'. The universe is not finished.
Sitting on the fence.
God created iight on the first day and the sun, the moon and the stars on the fourth. Hmm. Where the photons were coming from for four days?
Hearing theists cite nature and empirical evidence is always a rich experience indeed.😂
When it conflicts with your presuppositions, simply make fun of their arguments. It destroys their validity!
Frank, you need to debate with Kent Hovind.
That would be great.
I'm very disappointed that Dr. Turek doesn't believe the Bible.
1:00 "Genesis 1 written by Moses". Yeah, and the moon is made of green cheese.
What Genesis 1:2 is saying is what the earth was like when God was looking at it at that moment in time. Saying what the earth was like at that state of it being created. Much like how a potter doesn't have a finished vase when he is in the beginning stages of shaping the clay. God is not gonna fix man's governments that are a mess. He will not transform any of them or all of them into his kingdom here on earth. He will do away with all of that mess when he installs his kingdom here on earth.
People can use the phrase if you don't believe in our interpretation then you don't believe in God. Or you can't be a Christian unless you believe in our interpretations of the bible. Using those lines are insane on every level. I could use that to say you must believe that Judas was destine to betray Christ. When the bible doesn't teach that at all.
So it takes faith which Mr turek obviously doesn't have yes it is made so you have to believe by faith that's how God weeds out the unbelievers. I have no problem believing it but I know before I became a Christian I would definitely have a problem with it so those that don't believe can't until they receive it by Faith Abraham believed God and it was accounted for him for righteousness. It's really that simple you haven't rejected God he rejected you because you didn't believe him.
It is 6656 year now from Adam or 5782 year from the flood.
Lol
WOW
Literalist nonsense.
Interesting
@@stephencastro4723 how would you perceive it?
The bible was written 100 years after the death of Jesus by Paul who did not even know Jesus. So ummmm okay, The New Testement
We should not make belief in young earth creationism a test for orthodoxy because of what Augustine believed? Why should what some man said be the test for what is orthodox? The word of God is the ONLY test for orthodoxy, and the bible clearly teaches that the earth was created about 6000 years ago in 6 literal days--it even tells you what the word "yom" means in that context by mentioning an evening and a morning, one day, because God knew people would try to sidestep it.
. Well, I have news for you, Genesis 1 is hardly literal and is very incomplete. It is a parable and a prologue and history, at the same time.
I have been watching a lot of Johnny Mac. He said something in a sermon I was listening to that I couldn't shake off. He , along with many "fundamentalists" view scripture, the bible as a whole as a book of poetry, law, allegory, story telling, parabolic...etc..etc...
Sometimes literal, sometimes not. Challenging to say the least to know the difference, especially Genesis 1. Johnny Mac preaches that the earth was created in six 24 hour time periods. Well, he also says to test the spirits if they be true. I believe I discovered something rather incredible. It solves a few problems people have had with the whole creation vs evolution thing. I am a die hard believer in creationism. And the reason is God said so. But what did He actually say about time?
In the book of Genesis , Chapter 1, The first 6 days are explained as creation. The beginning of chapter 2 explains the rest from all the creation that just occurred by God. That rest is then declared as Holy. It seems up to this point is a prologue to the rest of the story. Continuing in chapter 2 it reads that in verse 4-7 that this is the history or story of the day the Lord made creation and man in. So in that verse , we come out of the prologue of the first 7 days, and back up, or prior to the 7th day.
After God creates man, he tells him to not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If he does, before the day is over, he will die. He ate the fruit. Adam died, over 900 years later. Did Adam die before the day was over?
Did God lie? That is impossible. Only our understanding of His Word can be flawed. How does Adam live 900+ years and not die that day!?!??!? It must mean a "day" is not 24 hours to God. It also must mean we are all still living in the 6th day. The story keeps going...
I was pondering the size of the universe and I ran across an image of the Andromeda Galaxy. Scientists estimate it is 2-4 billion light years away. Our sun is 8 light minutes away. We now understand that light travels at a rate. If the earth was created with everything else in the universe on day three, a literal 24 hour day, there's no way light from that distance would ever reach earth for us to see it. The view from earth would be darkness at night, the light from far away objects takes millions of years to reach us. Even the light from our own Milky Way Galaxy would not reach us in time to view the Glory of His immense creation.
Time to an eternal being is meaningless. Psalm 90:3-4. There's that reminder, we turn back to dust. But brought right back to the time in the garden, at the fall and sins birth. Back to the 6th day. Just early in the day the Lord made.
Isaiah 53:4-6. Isaiah was written long before Jesus ever came , but Isaiah, carried by the Spirit wrote about the servant of Jehova as if it already had happened. The whole chapter is written in past tense. It is considered by Hebrew scholars and Christian to be prophetic in nature about the coming of the Jewish messiah, The anointed one of God. It hadn't happened yet. It is written in past tense. (It doesn't matter here if you are a follower of Christ or not) It is written in past tense. You can remind your Jewish friends.
Genesis 2:2-3. That is also in past tense. As if it already happened. It hasn't. This is also prophecy. We are still in the 6th day.
Hebrews 4:7-10. If you hear His voice TODAY don't be stubborn. That will hold true, for us also tomorrow and the next day and the next day....Vs 9 says quite specific that God promised a Sabbath, that has not yet come! We are still in day 6!
2nd Peter 3 :8. A day TO THE LORD is like a thousand years and a thousand a day. Time is meaningless to God. Same as Psalm 90.
Still not convinced? If you aren't, this one is undeniable. Isaiah 65:17. God is "creating new heavens and a new earth". Does that sound like He's resting, yet?
2 Cor 5:17. God makes new "creations" in Jesus. To this day. He isn't resting, yet. Still in the creating process.
So to closeout this discovery that the earth could not have been created in 6 literal days, and that we are still in the 6th day..back to Genesis 1 : 31. By the end of the day, it was very good. Definitely better than good, as it started badly, with sin. We got a ways to go! Because he will have created a new heaven and earth, at the end of the 6th day. That will be very good indeed! Mathew 20:1-16 Describes the Kingdom of God and history in a parable that lasts a day and compares Adam and Eve and the Patriarchs and the prophets and Judges and the Kings of Israel and Judah, then the Apsostles and disciples and later believers all those who work the Vineyard at various times of "the day." Those who would be first, last. Those who would be last, first.
I would imagine this viewpoint would be unifying instead of dividing. Chew on that for a while. Let me know what you think.
I think it will become even more clear to you that we are all living in the 6th day as you read your bibles for yourselves.
Sir the Bible leaves no timeline to judge age. From the beginning. You are misleading people.
Its a shame Christian preachers constantly have to ‘harmonise’ the inaccuracies and contradictions in the bible. Some ppl just want to believe for the sake of it.
Bwlieve in God not the bible
How to know about that God and what to believe without his word Bible?😂
The Bible definitely says there are four corners and is set on foundations and stationary that’s a fact, nowhere in the Bible does it say earth is a ball spinning in space. Genesis 1:7 the firmament divides the waters from above from the waters below
It also says in Job 26:7 "He stretches out the north over empty space, He hangs the earth upon nothing". Yes, you read it right: no fundations, just floating over nothing... and in verse 10 says: "He has circled the waters with boundaries, until the day and night come to an end." Key word: circled the waters (oceans). Basically the author of the book of Job knew earth was "floating" on empty space and also acknoledges day and night cycle are the by product of the circle rotating.
@@D.NogueraMusic Genesis 1:7 KJV
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Revelation 7:1 KJV
[1] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
You can cherry pick all you want, bottom line God raised up the dry land from the midst of the Waters, so I wouldn’t say it’s not hung on anything. Also the Bible says the earth is stationary and can not be moved. Also circle isn’t a ball, Job states this in an earlier verse
Psalm 104:5 KJV
[5] Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Foundations that Can’t be moved☝🏼
Tureks Blindspot and reading too much into the text .it's clear .straight forward and this is not helpful..the earth is clearly young..And that it isn't accepted as such. Comes from other sources..
The earth is about 6000 years old.
If the world is created then God doesnt need millions of years to create. If you believe God created the world then simply take it literally. Evening and the morning made a day. So the world was created in 6 days. Period. Keep it simple
He said "we learn science to teach us what's in the Bible".
Fake Christian!
Good science finds facts. Facts equals truth. Bible equals truth. So Science and Bible are relational. The correct science proves the Bible accurate. So, how does that make him a fake Christian?
@@rodmancrump4709 spot on
How can one Christian say another is fake because of this? You know it doesn't matter what science says. You're an actual Christian if you truly believe in Jesus.... why do people act like you do?