The Takeaways From the Damian Lillard Trade | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons talks about the takeaways from and the big question regarding the Dame trade.
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Suns fans saying that Nurkic can’t be worse on defence than Ayton are in for a rude awakening.
I was thinking the same lol.
Completely agree. The only possible upgrade that I might believe (other than getting rid of Ayton”s toxicity) is Nurkic being a better screener which might be true, I can’t really say I have a ranking of all the center”s screening ability.
@@traviskrueger9531Much better passer as well
That's if he's even on the court. He's just not durable at all, and also has issues with his weight and staying in shape in the offseason.
just need somebody to foul and body bigs
I feel like Bill's assessment on Dame would be completely different if he was going to Boston.
Guaranteed
100%
Duhh. He always hated on dame
Bill will try to talk himself into any player if he's going to the Celtics. But that's okay. He doesn't claim to have the most objective podcast
Yup...
As a Boston fan, I am so amused by Bill off handedly throwing in the idea that Payton Pritchard might be a serious part of the Celtics being one of the teams to beat.
Lol I saw this comment 10 seconds before Bill said this
Who’s guarding Tatum ? Then lists Giannis, Middleton and crowder. It’s not like they don’t have wing defenders
Those guys all suck on defense.
Somebody tell Bill that Kawhi has won 2 rings 9:03
to be fair, the bucks already couldn’t guard any of the good wings in league the last two years. they had 3 great defensive players and the rest were just shooters. the concerns are valid for sure, but outside of giannis leaving there’s no way you regret this deal. 100% worth it
I love what a homer Bill Simmons is. His take is they won't be able to guard any guards, " Will they be able to guard Derrick White? I don't know!" lol
As a Spurs fan, I think that’s valid lol
He thinks Derrick White is an all star level guard the way he talks about him. The dude is a streaky role player. It’s hilarious
@@ernienocap8409 He's good for about 14/4/5/1/1 on 49/85/35 with starter minutes along with a few detonations of 30/6/5/2/3 on 60/90/66 percentages along with outstanding hustle and B- to A defense depending on match up.
So yeah, a streaky role player.
@@ernienocap8409 Dwhite is more then a streaky role player. He was 2nd all team defense last year and never had a defined role because of Smart and Brodgon. Dwhite is also great at getting in the paint and his 3 point shot was drastically improved last season. Celtics fans are excited for Dwhite because he deserved much more minutes last season. When he mentioned Derick White he meant it as in the Bucks lack of guard defenders now. Dame is that bad at defense
Dwhite shot 38.1% from 3 last year and 45.5% during the 20 game postseason run. The first year with boston was tough becasue he got traded at the trade deadline. Once he learned his role in this offense you could see the potential. I am very excited to see what he does as the starting PG and getting consistent minutes with a consistent role.
Bill didn't like the Jrue trade to the Bucks neither. He thought the Bucks overpaid, that they were all in to keep Giannis and that the trade wouldn't be able to keep Giannis in Milwaukee.Three years later, the same exact thoughts...
@@dearmas9068 uhm the bucks won a chip?
@@dearmas9068 chip >>>>>>>> 3 1st Rd picks.
Agreed. The Net's implosion that season was a huge variable in Buck's title. @@dearmas9068
@@dearmas9068 The point is he contradicts himself on the basis of what's favorable for the Celtics. Now he's hyping the value of Jrue to them, even though if anything it should have decreased cuz he choked on offense in playoffs.
@@dearmas9068that's why the pessimism makes no sense. It's clear hate. You get criticized for overpaying jrue. Now it's criticism for getting dame
So Dort and up to 3 high 1st round picks when OKC trades for Holliday but hurt Brogdon and a washing machine when Boston wants Holliday, seems unbias. P.S. Told ya Bill.
I thought I was the only one who picked up on that
Bias is the wrong word. Delusional is more like it. Desperate wishful thinking if you are feeling generous. :)
There has literally never been a more delusional Boston fan, which is saying a hell of a lot
LOL exactly. Every fan of a team is like ....hmmm what do I have in the dust bin.
Surprised how negative Bill is being on the Bucks new roster. Def the most skeptical analysis I’ve heard so far. I know Dame is gonna be a sieve on defense, but you got ‘22 DPOY candidate Lopez, Crowder, and one of the best help defenders ever in Giannis. I just honestly have a hard time not seeing this roster in June. And the ONLY thing that scared me more about Dame to Heat is Spo, not the roster.
I think his skepticism is the best proof that this was an amazing trade for the Bucks.
Blazers fan… dame tries on defense. It’s not as bad as like harden l😂
@@user-qv1jx3ss8xI like how “not as bad as harden” is the most positive thing you can say….that says a lot lol
This dame trade broke bill Simmons
Boston is better than
Bucks didn't blame all their half-court issues on Jrue. But it's still glaring that your lead G was 39% from the field and 30% from three, on higher volume. Injuries and some slightly iffy coaching derailed Milwaukee last two seasons. And, I agree, ideally Jrue would be a starting 2-guard.
And the great aspect of the trade for Milwaukee is that now there's not as much pressure for Dame to control the ball as much, having to be both primary scorer and distributor. He can pick his spots, take super-efficient shots off of Gianni's gravity and feed both Giannis and Lopez (as well as Middleton on outlets) down low for easy looks. There will be growing pains and chemistry to build the first half of the season, for sure, but it's a very natural fit. The most dominant transition and paint presence coupled with the second-best shooting/scoring PG of the last decade.
I think the Bucks bringing in Terry Stotts was a very quiet but great move for them too. Familiarity with Lillard and he'll help Griffin develop a potent offense. Biggest question for them will be health.
Jrue's problem is that he can coast in the regular season. In the playoffs, he had to play super hard on D so he didn't have the stamina to also deliver on O. Bud was stupid for not playing Jrue at the 2, Jevon at the 1 to share the load. He also should've let Giannis guard Butler. And that's why Bud got fired.
Bingo. I have been laughing my ass off watching the casuals let out all of their anger about this trade-off on social media. Absolutely fucking glorious.
The only basketball these nitwits watch arw whatever highlights are incidentally shown while stephenasmith is talking on his Sports gossip talk show. They Loosely follow the sport because it's sort of attached to hip-hop culture and that's it.
@@heartbreak25 jimmy was cooking everyone on the bucks in 1v1, but it was mostly jrue. The obvious adjustment would have been to trap and double jimmy as much as possible, but bud didn't do that for some reason. And the players called him out for it too after they lost the series
@@mambaASI Not true. It specifically came up in the press conference that Coach Bud refused to make the switch when the players called him out.
I agree with all of you. Bill missed the one thing that changes Milwaukee, pick and roll offense. Dame and cp3 are the best pick and roll guards (actually Curry is, he just doesn't do it as much because he's too busy wearing down defenses trying to chase him off ball)in the league. Dame assists will go up scoring down. Bill didn't mention closing either. Dame can close Jrue couldn't, neither could Giannis. Middleton is a closer but always hurt. NBA basketball is about defense...but closing is about offense. Dame can close
Bills not being fair to Dame. His teammates historically stink. Those rosters are all terrible. CJ is his 2nd best teammate? The best run he had Al Faruq Aminu and Mo Harkless as his wings? Nurkic as his "anchor"? I'm happy he'll finally have some competent teammates now. Portland should have blown this up years ago. And I LOVE the direction Portland is going in now.
Luka have Brunson and dinwidde and went to the conference finals quicker than him
Cmon Bill Simmons - Kawhi has two rings 9:00
He’s never played with anyone better than Khris Middleton. The Blazers should’ve been a lottery team every year.
Lifetime Portland fan here,
When going through the top 10 guards averaging 22+ PPG, outside of Iverson’s finals run, Dame’s roster was by FAR the worst out of all those guys.
Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade, Harden Russ all had at worst top 30 players all time with them (I’m not to pretend I know anything about Gervin).
Dame had Aldridge early in his career, and I love CJ, but he and Dame were redundant and henever sniffed an all star appearance. And outside of those two, who’s his third best player? Nurk? Covington? Wes (before he tore his Achilles)?
Yeah I feel like he basically threw out all the context of the team 😂 they haven't been a contender the entire time Dame was there and he never had another All Star Teammate, other than LA early. So yeah, he hasn't had a lot of success or MVP votes cause the team has been decent but not great
Dame is motivated and single-handedly, took that Portland team to the western conference finals by himself.
He's had talented guys before, but this is basically the modern-day equivalent of pairing Kareem with Oscar.
The only thing that stops this team from winning a championship is health (which is legitimately a concern) or coaching.
I just don't see any other scenarios where these two guy, who play perfectly off of each other, and are hungry and dedicated to a ring somehow slip.
This isn't Kyrie going to the Celtics or Kyrie going to the Nets. Or Harden going to the Nets, or Harden going to the Sixers. (Guys who care more about their image and ego then rings having either won one already or caring more about night clubs and making it rain).
These are guys who care solely for championships, and are loyal to a fault. My two favorite players of all-time. And they're now joining up. If the situation had been flipped and Giannis were traded to Portland I'd be rooting for him. But it's not... and it wasn't.
I get to eat my cake and have it too, and by God it's glorious
No teammate of Lillard has made an All-Star or All-NBA team in the last eight seasons. Hard to contend with that little help. Besides CJ, his best teammates since Aldridge have probably been Jerami Grant, Simons, Nurkic, Covington and Norman Powell. The Bigs he’s played with have been Ed Davis, Mason Plumlee, Hasan Whiteside, Freedom Kanter and Nurkic.
@@brianshaker1885Denver could beat them.
and Iverson's finals run had a team set up perfectly for him cuz they were a force on d that enabled him to low efficiency chuck while it maintained functionality. Also, there was a lot of favorable officiating in Bucks & Raptors series. Shouldn't have gotten as far as Lillard did when he made the Conference Finals.
LOVE LOVE LOVE when Bill goes solo and breaks it down!!!🏀❤️💯
21:00 u can’t just read out those players and act like there all being locked up, no one can guard them, all dame has to do is fight over screens and force them into the paint where Lopez and Giannis are, btw jrue got cooked by Jimmy so he ain’t immune
Superb analysis! I love Bill’s takes and insight.
Bill, Kawhi won 2 rings, and he won Finals MVP both times.
Bill trying to convince himself that Dame's defense is going to offset his offense is hilarious. He conveniently ignores the fact that the bucks have trees that can offset some of the deficiencies on defense. I guess he needs to bend reality to convince himself that his celts are still the favorite in the east😂😂😂
Most guards can match dame’s scoring output. Someone like Donovan Mitchell can easily go shot for shot with him in a playoff series. His defense is going to be a factor at some point. Other backcourts are going to score easily against dame and this version of Middleton. They have a great front court but that does nothing against 3s
@@vintagemonte so are you trying to tell me everyone dame guards is gonna turn into curry? 😂😂😂
@@vintagemonte The Bucks have Giannis in the fullcourt and Middleton in the half in case Lillard's not there or goes cold. So it's not just Mitchell vs. a better a version even in Lillard. And there's a 5th guy in the lineup here. It shouldn't be that hard for the Bucks to acquire someone who can defend and shoot respectably, if he isn't already on the roster in the form of MarJohn Beauchamp.
2018 NBA Draft
1st pick: Deandre Ayton
No longer w/ Suns
2nd pick: Marvin Bagley III
No longer w/ Kings
3rd pick: Luka Dončić
4x All-NBA First Team, 4x All Star w/ Mavs
If you put Curry on those Portland teams, do they finish better? Probably not.
Ain’t no way bill said kawhi only got 1 ring 😂he got 2 he deserves his credit now
Bill: “are they gonna be able to guard Derrick White?” 🙄
Knicks fan who agrees with Bill. Portland has a potential superstar backcourt. Ayton is a true center with the potential to get better. They only need tweener forwards, which is no shortage around the league or college. Their foundation is set. Great job.
That grant signing lowkey nice alothough he’s slightly overpaid
@@sergeynazaro1768 yeah but depending on how they develop Grant Jrue and Simmons are nice trade pieces.
But Dame also averaged 32PPG last season on a basically playground team and was still committed to Portland until they drafted his replacement. Re-do your list with the intangible of being about the team and not about the chips and the scoring average and you get why people like me in PDX feel a true loss watching Dame leave--and why we will give him a standing O every time he comes through the Rose Garden and when he's inducted into the HOF.
Dame in his era is not better than obvi Steph then harden cp3 Westbrook
I love Bill, but he'd be fawnin all over Dame if he got traded to the Celtics 😂
8:14 Shout out to Simmons' landscaper.
Can we wait for this OKC squad to win or push a playoff series before we crown them….like when 2010 thunder push the lakers to 6 games and really close to a 7th game
1) Can't blame Lillard for lack of team success. The best player he played with in Portland was CJ McCollum and they managed to reach the western conference finals.
2) Its bizzare to claim Bucks are a bad defensive team. They have arguably the best rim protecting duo in the league in Lopez and Giannis. The latter can guard the perimeter as well. Yes, Dame is a smaller guard but they can hide him by sticking him in a corner covering the worst offensive player on the other team.
dame is a big weakness on D that bucks never had w jrue. cant hide in the playoffs, will get exposed by schemes/plays. good luck buks
Ayton is a good stats in a bad team player. He disappears when the competition is tough, and the only thing he always cares about is how little touches he is getting. His number will blow up in the Blazer, but we all know he is not a championship type player. That is what he needs to recover his confidence and restart his career.
You also have to recognize that nearly iversons entire career was during an all time talent drought in the nba.. where as Lillards career has been during the resurgence and biggest talent overflow the nba has ever seen. You put same Lillard on that 01 sixers team and they probably have the same exact season lol 17:24
Assuming he stays healthy, i think Bill is harping waaaay too much about Dame's defense. He's going to a team with Giannis, Lopez, and Middleton - the Bucks can afford to give up some defense for what Dame could bring to an offense that was basically playing 4 on 5 in the playoffs when they had Holiday.
Having a pullup threat that has to be guarded from 35 feet out unlocks so much more space for Giannis. Also having a true elite shot creator takes so much pressure off of Middleton, who is a really good shot creator but was pretty overtaxed as the team's #1 shot creator - we'll probably see a similar efficiancy boost from him to what Giannis will get with a bigger percentage of his shots coming from wide open catch and shoots.
The thing to worry about with Dame is if we do see him affected by the aging and injury curves, because if he doesnt end up boosting the Bucks offense like he has the potential to and more than offset what they lost defensively with Holiday leaving, then this team is in trouble.
It’s a good trade for Portland and Phoenix too. Ayton wanted nothing to do with sacrificing for the team to succeed and immediately Ramona Shellburn reported how happy he is to join Portland. They need 3 replacement level big guys that’ll rebound and defend. Idk if nurkic is the start of that but maybe he’ll make that adjustment at this point in his career
Word. Team chemistry
An injury prone, potentially washed Nurkic, Grayson Allen and Nasir Little don’t move the needle IMO.
@@jdankerdakethey have KD Book and Beal. You don’t require needle movers. You need ppl who can play a different role. DA wanted the ball and wanted pick n rolls and a bigger presence. When you play with 3 scorers who can drop 50 you just need big guys who can do the bare minimum. Nurk can be that guy.
I thought for sure that by getting rid of Monty Williams that they were going forward with Deandre ayton. Very interesting.
Hey Bill fyi Kawhi has two rings (2014 with San Antonio and 2019 with Toronto)
As a Raptors fan I remember when Bill and co said the Raptors might have lost the Kawhi trade and that the Spurs might have won the deal a few days after it happened. Don't listen to Bill Bucks fans.
Lol, there was no loser that trade. Spurs got rid of player that was looking at unrestricted free agency and wasn't going to re-sign while gaining back pieces that they've flipped into draft capital 2nd only to OKC while Toronto got their championship.
We're here for takes like that: instead of being here in tears, he just wishes his takes materialise but they never do. LOL.
Grayson Allen has shot 50% from 3 in 2/3 playoff series with the Bucks and played 30 minutes a game against Miami, Giannis got hurt, and Jimmy went insane nothing to do with Allen
To understand what he might do to teams, just go watch the last 3 All-Star games.
He might have somewhat the same space and will score a lot easier.
Both Lopez and Middleton will have their lives facilitated with Dame’s presence.
How the Buck will defend Tatum, Luka and others?
The question is how will most teams defend Dame, Middleton, Giannis and Lopez at the same time?
The 4 can score 20 or more, and 3 of them can score 30 or more on any night. I will not be surprised with multiple 40/35/25 from the top 3
I love billy and I’ve been listening to him for a really long time but I really wish he did more in person podcast. Yes I know that’s almost impossible logistically but it would just be nice to have him and sal or him and russilo on a pod in the same room
Let’s be clear - Dame is not the guy in this deal - he is Clyde Drexler going to Houston
One guy almost beat Boston by himself in 22 and won a championship in 21 and has been the best overall player in the NBA the last 5 years depending on who you ask. The great thing is Giannis will take a back seat to Dame for the betterment of the team but they need Dames Arrogance - they will be good health willing they need BEAUCHAMP to take a step and just be James posey for a round or two
How did Kawhi and the Raptors go terribly again...?
your concerned about the bucks defense?? jrue is the best defensive guard and what happened against Jimmy...what the bucks need is a closer and they got one of the best
I said the same thing.
They down graded the center position.
Traded for three role players that probably won't play. Even if they do play they are not having much more impact than yuta, Gordon, diop.
I also didn't like the beal deal. But i do think beal is still better than CP3 and with yuta i think the team did improve from last year.
As a Suns fan, I know Nurk isn’t the answer, but I have to keep my fingers crossed. We essentially have both of the Portland bigs from the last few years and their defense was always terrible. Durant shouldn’t be your best rim protector. Having said that, if we’re not factoring in health, this should be a Bucks Suns reunion in the finals. I see a similar outcome too
Nuggets can torch the suns. Who’s the answer for JOKIC ?
@@sergeynazaro1768 there’s no answer for Jokic from any team. Who’s the answer for Book? Remember what he did to them too? And he did that with a roster that consisted of him, a barely integrated Durant, a disappearing big man, and CP until his hamstring exploded. Now they actually have usable depth, another all star, an a year to get everyone working together. The Nuggets also lost BB and he was huge for them in that series. Also keep in mind the Suns were up by 8 in game 2 when Cp went out
@@maxpennacchini3261your chances with Ayton and Vogel as the new coach is WAYYYY better than having Nurk as your primary center. Nurk got great box score numbers but dude you’re a fan and you’re blinding yourself to how bad he is on D
@@sergeynazaro1768 go back to my original post where I said “we have both of portlands bigs from the last few years and their defense was terrible. Durant shouldn’t be your best rim protector.” I’m definitely not blind to anything because I’m a fan. All I want Nurk to do is set good screens, rebound, and box out
Suns are such a poorly constructed team. I am so interested in watching them this year. They are going to miss Biyombo. But maybe now they bring him back.
Everyone who's saying three 1sts is crazy for Jrue.. he was traded to the Bucks for three 1sts plus a bunch of good players..
Bruh that was 3 years ago? Plus he wasn't talking about retirement then like who is trading 3 first for a guy with one year left a player option & is talking about retirement? 🤣😂
@@jaranriley4062 a team with more draft picks than available roster spots lol. If they don't trade some of those picks they are gonna have to start taking draft and stash prospects. It happened with Boston. Look up Guerschon Yubasele. Plus not only do I think OKC is really close to contention, so their own picks will be mid 20s anyway, I also think Jrue has at least 3 years of high level basketball left.
And it gets Lu Dort off the team. He fucking stinks.
Lol, was just watching a Thinking Basketball reaction video on the 2014 Spurs and he was watching the 2nd quarter of game 2 against Portland.
It was hilarious watching Lillard repeatedly level himself running into screeners. Duncan was particularly vicious.
This is so stupid imagine trying to Judge Dame in his 3rd season while running into the champs that postseason is so dumb
10:50 Well, the Clippers made it to the WCF for the first time in franchise history, so they got SOMETHING out of it! They were on a 50 year drought! So they've at least taken a step forward as a franchise, and they got a new stadium where they'll be able to hang their own banners up!+
Ayton was always good even in their crappy year with Igor. Nurkic is always injured so have fun Phoenix!
Can't Giannis guard Tatum and Butler and Luka? Can't Giannis guard small forwards?
No. He gets torched guarding perimeter players
I love it when Bill Simmons talk
Why don’t these videos play natively on Spotify
If I was Giannis or the Bucks I wouldn't panic if we don't get our goal the first year with Lillard. Let's actually play together,stay grounded and just focus on getting better.
It's not gonna take that long to gel
5th category is liability! But if he takes offensive load from Gianni's, Giannis will have a greater defensive impact
Trading Luke Dort plus picks for Jrue at this current state of OKC is crazy. Its too early for okc to make such trade.
As a Suns fan, if Bill is against this trade for the Suns then I'm stoked!!! Guy is ALWAYS wrong, so this bodes well
Jrue on OKC would be so interesting. They wouldn’t need to sacrifice that many picks depending on what players they decide to use. Lu Dort would definitely be in that trade though
Bill is obviously salty about this trade
I just think alot of people are struggling to cope with the fact that the bucks have always been a good team but also a team that nobody really feared. Sure they respected em but the best teams never really feared em. And now that is instantly changed with one big move. So the natural human reaction is to poke all sort of holes into the trade and give jrue all kinds of praise that at no point in his career has he ever gotten. I mean literally just made his second all star team after a 12 year drought
I’m in disbelief anytime I see anyone praising the suns side of this trade. Nurkic/Eubanks was a painful rotation for Portland last year. Grayson Allen, fine not great, Nas little is another one of those wait and see younger guys who probably doesn’t have an upside, and Keon Johnson got waived. Giving up Ayton for nothing will bite them.
Several positives in the trade, though not sure it's overall positive.
1. Nurkic is a much better passer
2. Nurkic is a better screener
3. Nurkic effort levels aren't dependent on him getting the ball
4. Little has some bulk that is needed to guard guys like Bron and Luka
5. Easier contracts to move/combine down the road
6. Overall better depth
There are obvious negatives but there are some positives for them
@@tonyschimmoellerNurkic is absolutely dependent on having the ball, he has some of the worst effort and body language in the league.
@van1217 I disagree about the effort. Body language, sure, but he was always at the very least putting in effort. He just isn't very good at certain things haha
@@tonyschimmoeller I guess we’ll see next season when he gets more national shine. But I have a feeling he will be more disliked than Ayton.
@@van1217Portland hasn't played a meaningful game in years. Maybe that's why he's not engaged. I don't know, I'm just wondering
This is a Boston fan, who took a breath after he was fuming under the skin, and is basically talking himself into this trade not being that big.
If he was truly unbiased (if the Celtics weren't at the forefront of a title they have contended for and not gotten yet), he would say this is an amazing trade, and give them their props.
Instead... his bias is showing. But give him credit. He's a fan, and this is what you're supposed to do when your team has a chance.
I just wish he could talk about this without the Celtics being involved.
Kawhi has won two rings and he was Finals MVP both times.
Switching an offensive player for a defensive player will never be a wash. The fact that jrue was a 20 point of game score would add to that, but a solid defense of player versus solid offense of player the offensive player is worth more. If you don't believe me, how many wins would a Draymond green/? Bruce Bowen lead you to?
If Chris Middleton is not healthy, I don't think Milwaukie wins title. Dame is now robin to Batman which is going to be challenging for Dame as Dame was King in Portland for 11 years, which is probably why LeMarcus Aldridge left and went to the Spurs.
I want everyone to talk about holiday going to the Lakers, just to make Bill upset!
Bill what are your thoughts now with Jrue on the Celtics?
Finally someone roasting the Suns 🤣 horrific trade
the dame conversation is stupid if we never acknowledge that the only all-star he played with was aldridge, early in his career. pretty sure none of those other guards made past round 2 of the playoffs without at least 1 other all-star teammate...and a lot of them only did it with an all-nba guy. dame's an imperfect player (and if i was him i would've left portland a long time ago), but his situation is nothing like steph's or kobe's or wade's or even iverson, who played with a dpoy
Jokic never played with an all star and still won a ring!
@@realone296Jokic is certainly better than Dame with a much higher ceiling, but stop it. Murray is a much better outside shooter and playmaker than CJ, not to mention he’s bigger and less of a defensive liability. Portland’s defense has been perennially terrible. Jokic plays with stoppers like AG and KCP. And MPJ is a better third man than Jerami Grant, Norman Powell, Al-Farouq Aminu, Nic Batum, or anyone Dame’s played with.
Dame has not had a teammate make either an All-Star or All-NBA team in the last eight seasons.
@@realone296 is jokic a guard?
I think this could go down as the biggest trade ever if it plays out the way I expect it to, with a Suns/Bucks Finals that will forever go down as the "Trade Finals." Meanwhile, judging by a lot of people's reactions to Scoot, they actually might have just picked up the ideal guy in Ayton that complements his game in every possible way. This could be a deal that swings rings to three different teams. I can't remember a three team trade EVER where it's like "there's no losers. Everyone wins with this!" The Suns got the depth they needed, Portland got trade assets and the ideal young PF/C to build their future hall of famer up, and the Bucks got the shooting they needed. Lillard was always a second banana masquerading as a franchise guy in Portland, and now he's paired with the absolute perfect big man for his game, and no longer is THE MAN.
I was blown away by this trade. Just unfathomable everyone walked away better like they did.
The Suns aren’t making it to the Finals. Too many of their key players are high injury risk, they aren’t deep and will be mediocre defensively. It’s Denver’s conference to lose. Lakers, GSW, Kings, MEM could all be better than the Suns also.
I’m pretty low on ayton but don’t think this helped the suns
Kawhi has two...If you want to argue, "well, he wasn't THE guy on that San Antonio team". He was the damn Finals MVP that year!
All good points. Did Bill say Kawhi won one championship?
I love the flowers you are giving jrue ❤ i wish we traded middleton instead of jrue
yeah dame being a bad defender doesn’t help but the difference between dame and jrue offensively is more impactful than the difference in how they are defensively. it simply unlocks something that this Bucks team has never had. maybe if the Bucks were an average defensive team before getting dame, it’d be more concerning. but oh hey you have a top 2 or 3 rim protector anchoring your defense and then you have giannis running around playing safety. that alone is going to keep their defense good
1. Dame just scored his career high 32.2 ppg last year. Why are we talking about scoring?
2. Why does everyone criticize Dame for defense, but let Curry's defense slide? Middleton could guard all of those players. Gsw has hid Curry's d for years. MIL can figure it out.
3. Of the 10 700-game, 22 ppg scorers, how can you mention his lack of winning while ignoring that the last non-dame all-star was Lamarcus in 2015.
I know Bill hates Memphis but we have some assets! I just wish he would include us on the list of teams for Jrue, he even mentioned Sactown lol
Why does Bill keep bringing up Derek white?😂😂😅
Kawahi has two rings, Bill. Two finals MVPs as well. First with the Spurs, then the Raptors.
Coooome on man you are comparing CP3 and Dame in terms of potential decline after 35?? CP3 had been consistently injured over the last 7-8 years...
This man just said he glad they ain't get bullied yea bill we know what u was pulling 4
Side note I'm happy for dame I wanted him to come to the heat but I'm glad bruh getting a chance to compete
09:15 As an eastern European I appreciated this looo
regarding the bucks defense with dame as the lead guard, have people forgotten cavs defense with d mitchell? They were still around top 5 in defense. With d mitchell and garland in the backcourt. And levert as the main SF. How did they maintain such a strong defense? Those 2 defensive monsters in the frontcourt. And I would say giannis and lopez combo is at least as good defensively as mobley and allen combo. Just saying don't be shocked if bucks have a top 5-7 defense even with dame as the lead guard...
Not surprised a Celtics fan loves this trade
Comparing to Westbrook and Wade is criminal given their quality of teammates vs Dame. Man has had the least amount of help of ANY modern superstar. Defense is truly bad tho.
Bill was talking about guards who played more than 700 games that top 10 list he named dame ain’t Better then a single player on that list they got more all stars all nbas mvps
The suns defense will be scary! For the suns fans that is. They'll win lots of regular season games though!
Btw can we appreciate the fact that the suns passed up on Luka to end up with nurkic. Look at the suns being so inspirational
16:35 Correction: Lillard has made 7 All-NBA Teams in his career, not 5.
I’m not saying that Dame is better than Iverson, but for context - Iverson played in a relatively weak Eastern Conference, historically. And Lillard played in a conference with all-time great guards in their primes like Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Harden and Luka.
On that list Dame ain’t got the resumes as those guys his played over 700 career games
Kawhi has multiple rings…
This is the correct take. Dame and Giannis will be hard to guard but who on the bucks is guarding the J's? Jrue's defense was the difference maker for the bucks against Boston these past few years. Now who's guarding the J's? Boston in 5.
This is really more of a case for how historically bad the Blazers front office is
About 20 minutes in I realize he’s not talking to Ryen Russillo
steph curry cant guard either 4 rings
Yeah this was an a great trade for Portland and an awful one for Phoneix. I get turning Ayton into a couple of role players, but Nurkic is awful defensively and can never stay healthy, and well I think Allen and Little can be rotation guys in a playoff series, I'd rather have Ayton than both of them
Did Simmons at 9:18 say Kawahi Leonard os on the list if players who won ONE ring?? Pretty sure Leonard won a few more than that….
A few more? He won once with the Spurs, and once with Toronto.
@@shorewall That’s still more than one Einstein
The East is going to be fun this year
Ayton's talent is undeniable but it's also clear as day his effort and motor were lackluster. Ayton is a 25 year old number 1 overall pick who just got a extension. He doesn't want to be 4th scoring option, hustle defense & rebound guy. He wants shots. He already played the sacrifice role when CP came to Phoenix and it has been obvious he wants more shots and doesn't really enjoy setting screens for Booker who he knows won't pass. Ayton's size and speed combo should have allowed him to compete against Jokic but instead he completely quit effort wise in the playoffs.
off all the dubious things bill said "why is jrue holiday guarding jimmy butler" might be the most impressive of them all... also how in the hell are the celtics getting jrue WHILE keeping the J's, white and the centers lmaaao
I think you're really missing a lot of the context of how bad Portland's management has been in recent years. With even competent roster building around him Dame would have a lot more to show for his efforts.
I also think you underestimate how much load Dame had to carry offensively. This lead to him being worse on defense than he needs to be.
That said Milwaukee is really, really going to miss Jrue Holiday because he did it all and he's a great defender.
Bigger than staring the Heat down, they stared Dame down...that was the real negotiation.
Kawhi has two rings
As a Nets fan, I love this trade
And you never hear a Nets fan ever say that