Miscellaneous Myths: Pandora
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2017
- Think you know her story? Trust me, it's simultaneously more complicated, more interesting, AND more insulting than you know!
Curious about what's got my britches in a twist, but too lazy to watch the video? Let's just say Hesiod made it Hellenistic canon that women are a literal curse on mankind, hand-crafted to be crafty manipulative nightmares, and men are gullible morons who can't see through a ruse as long as it's a ruse with curves in all the right places.
So, you know, a surprisingly progressive attitude, according to 1950s sitcom logic!
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It just figures that Aphrodite would decide how Pandora would look. I can see it now "Make her pretty, just not prettier than me dear."
Steven Flaningam why did i just read that comment in Rarety’s voice
@@joshuawilliams8921 it works
and its great
Like 700 jajajaa
"Make her pretty, just not prettier than me." I feel like this one line sums up Aphrodite pretty well as character 😂😂
I mean probably not the dear part as she didn't /want/ to marry Hephaestus.
Zeus: "We're gonna punish you with the worst thing imaginable...You, but prettier, with smoother skin, and dangly bits in different places!"
Guys: "Uhh, thank you?"
VampCinder I like this, but I can’t show that cause you currently have 69 likes and that’s too perfect to mess up 😉
sonorasgirl too bad it’s already ruined lol
"Best punishment ever!! I mean, uhhh... Oh no, she's so hot and smart. Wait Zeus she's not for you!! My punishment!!!" And Zeus continued to bang his way through the generations.
I find this hilarious.
However, maybe the whole reason women got a brain is to be the punishment for man. There was suddenly a living organisms that could think for themselves and didn't serve man😂
Courtz Let’s be real. A smart *and* hot chick is something to die for. As I’ve almost done trying to impress girls. Isn’t being young awesome?
All of the gods: *giving useful tricks and gifts to Pandora*
Ares: "once a month you will bleed, and the bleeding with cause you immense pain and rage. Your period is my gift"
Rest of the gods: "Dude wtf?"
Wall at least he isn’t a douche like the other gods!!! Not the greatest at gift giving sometimes, but isn’t a rapist and actually cares about his kids!!!!
Just another reason I hate Ares
Actually menstruation is the removal of dirty blood so Ares kind of gave a great gift 🎁
But I still hate ares
@@msrandom331 cope
I like the version where Hestia agrees with Prometheus and lets him sneak off with fire because it it sort of counteracts the whole sexism thing and Hestia’s cool like that.
Yeah Hestia would definitely do that, she’s a wholesome bean who just wants to help people and do her own thing
@@pokeyscorpion8224 Would’ve definitely made for a better head god than Zeus. She’s even the first born!
hestia is underrated tbh
She would’ve been much better as ruler of olympus
It has nothing to do with women, Hestia is a goddess. Greeks always made a strong distinction between mortals and gods. They don't play by the same rules, they're not comparable.
Zeus: *creates the woman to spite humanity*
Also Zeus: *keeps falling for the woman*
Me: "Congratulations, you played yourself"
Wolf Ancap lololol
Wait what about the female gods?
@@averysadsack1289 In this case they don't count as they are goddesses and they can fight back. Or this is as I see it.
I busted out laughing at this
He has a type
Greek Mythology: "Women don't exist yet."
Also Greek Mythology: "Aphrodite and Athena already exist."
PhazonOmega I know it’s a joke but, I already saw this wayyyy too much in the comment section and there was no way of knowing if they were joking or not so.....By women they meant Female humans, since Prometheus literaly sculpted the entire human race as male, goddesses, as non humans, weren’t counted in what they meant by ‘women’ in the context.
And hera demeter artemis
EXACTLY
@@phoebusapollo8365 but what about the fact that Hermes was born of a mortal woman and yet still somehow exists?
@Oniket My reply to Harry 👆
To be honest, I love this legend, purely for the irony that follows later with Zeus.
Here is a yikes interpretation. Since Zeus instigated this BS and takes credit for the creation of women, he feels entitled to his own creation, i.e. his property. Big Yikes
@@yiklongtay6029 Did you deadass use "yikes" unironically TWICE in one comment? Lmao
@@LordVader1094 I used to say it ironically. Then one day it became a regular part of my diction and I can't turn it off. Run before it's too late for you.
@@yiklongtay6029 Yikes
@@dakota6050 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We lost a good person today
Zeus: "How can i punish men i know i'll create woman"
Men and Women: *Build loving, meaningful relationships with each other*
Zeus: "Well shit..."
Men and Women: *Build loving, healthy relationships with each other*
*AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS!*
@@drunk_famasmf5135 He hurled is thunderC-
@@ilikethebluesky101-bolt! He zapped!
Women: *are homosexual*
Zeus: Well, shit.
@@imthebossmermaid3648let’s be honest, that wouldn’t stop him from
"...Created to be evil and sexy, and make everything worse."
Wait, so, according to this story Zeus built an enticing convoluted trap (ladies) to ruin human lives, and then just continuously jammed his own face into it over the years?
Your King of Gods, everybody!
His face isn't the only thing he jammed into it.
Zeus should have his d*ck chopped off like Ouranos
Zeus literally made r/nicegirls
Trap was to go
Good
Funny that Zeus creates women as a punishment or whatever considering he basically spends the rest of his mythos strolling down to earth to get in their pants.
Well, the other gods had hands in it...except Hera, apparently.
Also, how did Hermes help create Pandora, the first woman, when his mother Maia was a mortal?
Well... dresses. But same concept.
Curt Clark shhhh ancient men liked to claim superiority. The answer was probably "because god magic"
Curt Clark
Temporal Mechanics.
Mini_Squatch I thought she was a nymph.
I'd totally free Prometheus if I ever had the chance. The dudes cool. And we kinda owe him.
Edit: I am aware he was freed. It was a hypothetical thought in which I was saying if I were there I would’ve attempted to help the guy out. Can’t be a pyro without fire, so I’m invested already!
I believe Heracles freed him somewhere during his labors.
@@WraythSkitzofrenik more power to him.
Mood
@@WraythSkitzofrenik did Prometheus actually eat the bird's liver?
@@WraythSkitzofrenik Yep, Heracles did free Prometheus, though it was during his stint with Jason and the Argonauts, not during the 12 labors.
Pandora: "Why am I evil again?"
Hesiod: "BEGONE THOT!"
I love how Zeus has ended up falling for his own trap. Kinda poetic in a way
OMG! That’s the point of the story! We fall for pretty things which are bad for us! But you have to make it about sexism
@@alejandromolinac Sorry what? How did I make it about sexism?
That's schadenfreude baby!
@@ForrestFox626 I agree I think Zeus would totally be into that
@@alejandromolinac There's still sexism in it.
I'm starting to realize why Hades thought he got the worst job after the titans were defeated, if the first humans were literally immortal
I’ve never thought of it like that but you have a great point
Dude was basically a zookeeper, if Hades accepts animals that is.
Im sure he was like, everyone fucks up eventually
Dont think they were immortal they just lived for a very long time
Humans were never imortal, they were always mortal because humans and animals are creations of Prometheus and Epimetheus, sons of Iapetus the Titan of Mortality. Also everything that Gaia creates without Ouranos is mortal, like monsters and other creatures, and even humans.
And the golden humans lived in the Titan Age, also called the Golden Age. After that war humans were destroyed, and Prometheus needed to create new humans, but they were constantly nerfed in the silver, bronze and iron ages.
2020 is just Pandora Doing A Box Reveal
no, she just found a bigger box
PANDORA: (leans back from turning the webcam on) "Hey guys! It's ya girl Pandora here, and today I've got a special treat for you all--this magical mystery jar from Zeus Enterprises! I can't wait to open this thing, I got it yesterday but my HDMI cable went out and I had to go pray to Hephaestos to make me a new one...anyway, let's get to it!" :)
..now I kind of want, like, a web series or maybe cartoon where famous mythological characters host various types of web shows. :P And it could tie into their myths/personalities...like, Hercules could have a workout program, Thor is all about hardware (hammers!), Aphrodite is the dating expert...
This is an incredibly underrated comment well done
@@Heothbremel thanks
Yep
Hera: Hey Zeus you wanna hear your worst nightmare?
Zeus: Uhh, I highly doubt you know-
Hera: A smart beautiful woman with personally
Zeus: *Screeches*
lol
He absorbed the last one into his own head.
@@tomsautocadstudio6446 What about Hera?
@@michaeliv284 considering she never just kills the results of zeues exploits instead just tests them till she gets board I don't the she's that smart.
@@tomsautocadstudio6446 could be sadism or a lack of pragmatism more so than direct intelligence but that is entirely up for debate and interpretation
"...But she's secretly a person underneath." funniest line I've heard all day.
Wait? Are you actually saying that females are humans too?
Gonzo the great yes they are you dupe!
@@tennesseelife2696 SARCASM
@@tennesseelife2696 Prove it!
@@gonzothegreat1317 WHAT!? NO THAT'S CRAZY
Smart, attractive woman: exists
Ancient Greece: aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Your profile pic sells the comment
Literally my gay ass:
Unless you're Odysseus's wife
What’s funny is in ancient Athens Greek woman were not even allowed to leave their own houses unless accompanied by their male spouse. The Greeks views of women were quite interesting aren’t they...
@@ArdenSeccoriAzucar The Spartans treated them different too though. Don't just lump all of them together.
Can we take a moment to contemplate that there is a high chance some woman played Hesiod like a violin thousands of years ago and we still got a register of how much salt was left afterwards?
this, this right here, is why i keep comments on recent first
@@N.I.A23 lol you’re a fucking incel stuck 3000 years behind the rest of humanity shut the fuck up
@@litewavegames3967 how am I a incel? Because I recognise those who are below me???
@@N.I.A23, if you naturally were above others, people would grovel at your feet. However, that does not appear to be the case
@@Doublemonk0506 I'm not above people. Just above these talking cows.
Hermes : has a mom
Also Hermes: somehow takes part in crafting the first woman
Exsctly what I thought during the entire video
*The first human women
Well, Pandora was simply the first mortal woman. Hermes' mother was an immortal being.
His mom is one of the Pleiades, who are nymphs, not human.
Now if Dionysus had gotten in on the action, THEN it would have been confusing.
I just realize:
Prometheus and Epimetheus
Prologue and epilogue
Prometheus means someone who thinks before he acts whilst epimetheus means someone who thinks after he acts.
Pro literally means before and epi after while metheus is basically thinking/thought.
Epimetheus is Captain Hindsight
@@unflexian that's almost literally his name, and Prometheus is foresight.
@@Mysteri0usChannel I know, but captain hindsight is a south park reference.
Zeus: *Makes a poor choice*
Zeus: Am I the one to blame? Surely not, it must be Humanity's fault!
Zeus: Well, _someone_ has to pay for it. And it's not gonna be me since I'm already the victim!
Yahweh/Jehovah: Ooh, that's a smart move. I gotta use that!
@@michaeliv284 This is about mythology .
With great power comes great opportunity to get away with shit
I *never* understood how the evils *escaping* the urn means they're now plaguing mankind, but Hope *staying* in the urn means mankind still has it/can feel it. Evil is affecting mankind by being out of the urn, but Hope is affecting mankind by being *in* it? *That's a complete contradiction!*
The urn could be symbolic for humanity. Pandora opening the urn and letting out the enumerated evils upon the world would then represent how most of the causes of human suffering are self-inflicted by vices like greed, wrath, pride, et al., and lust (connection to Pandora, the first female human, opening the urn). In other words our internal vices cause misery for those external to us. Hope staying in the jar would represent how hope is the one characteristic of all of humanity that doesn't primarily affect those around us.
I've never heard anyone use this explanation, but it sounds like a plausible theory to me.
I heard a different version where the box contained *good* stuff, all the gifts from the gods, and when she opened it they escaped and humanity was left with nothing but Hope that still remained in the box.
There were two kinds of "hopes" in ancient Greece, and though there was no consensus on which one it was, it could also have been the bad kind of hope, the one where a person foolishly hopes for things to go their way when all evidence points otherwise. A deception they cast upon themselves.
Perhaps Hope stayed in the jar because - unlike all the evils which tend to actively hunt us down - Hope can only be acquired through seeking it out yourself. Hope is not merely felt; it can only ever be *found* - and even if you've already lost everything else, Hope stays behind, patiently waiting for someone to decide she's worth searching for.
I heard it as it not being hope in the urn but rather foreboding - the knowledge of whats to come. It staying in the box meant humanity could delude itself into thinking things could get better when they can't, which is...
“She’s beautiful.”
“Oh, cool.”
“And smart.”
“GET IT AWAY!!!”
"And make sure shes got nice dark eyelashes, too. She has to be able to flutter her problems away"
*im dead*
Karli Rose i wish i had powerful eyelashes like that
Karli Rose me too.
*Blinks*
*Creates a powerful tornado and kills 5% of the population*
-_- you laugh but some superstitious asshole probably believes it.
There are still entire areas in this world where they believe a woman cannot physically let down her hair without causing catastrophe(or "being a witch"- not the religious groups that parts of cheerfully embrace the ill begot moniker either--- ppl who are just like them but just wanted to wear there hair down)... So... I've got no faith in humanity to assume there isn't some idiot who doesn't genuinely believe fluttering eyelashes are disastrous.
AuroraLalune I understand people are like this due to tradition. They kill children due to tradition. I in no way wanted to offend or support this topic.
Athenian woman: "Why are Spartan women treated better?"
Spartan queen: "Because Spartan women give birth to REAL men."
*invents the mic just to drop it*
Queen sparta original Becky vs Athenian women soyboy wranglers
Sparta: All women are queens
Athens: If she breathes, she's a thot
@@vladprus4019 this is EXPLICITLY NOT how any of that worked. tha spartans didnt think a whole lot more of their women, they just had to do more because the men were always somewhere fighting uprisings and wars
@@DMurphyApple That was a joke.
@@DMurphyApple OBVIOULSY ancient Greeks didn't had mentality simmilar to modern memes.
As a dude myself, I read a bit of Hesiod for my World Mythology class a while back, and honestly... nah, you're spot on. Dude was the definition of a misogynistic bitter incel with too much time on his hands.
Same with whoever it was that wrote the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. Except unfortunately people don't see the Bible as mythology .
@@benapeh854 As someone who identifies as pseudo-Christian (I believe in a God-esque entity that is omni-benevolent, a just afterlife, and I think Jesus of Nazareth had some kind of divine inspiration from the aforementioned God-esque entity), I 100% see the Old Testament as mythology, and I know several Christians who think the same. The far-right self-righteous maniacs who spout nonsense like "God hates the gays!" and "Abortion is murder!" are a very vocal minority of Christianity.
@@drafo789 "Vocal minority " isn't really true. At least considering Christians worldwide
@Ben Apeh I mean, if I remember correctly, the Bible itself doesn't actually cast more judgment on Eve than on Adam for eating from the apple first. God punishes both of them for breaking his rules, not putting more blame on one than on the other.
It was later People interpreting the book that came up with the BS reasoning of 'Eve ate from the apple first and gave it to Adam and therefore she and all women are totally to blame for this'.
Mythology is only called as such because the people believing in it died.
"And humanity is immediately stricken with all kinds of bad things like natural lifespans, childbirth and Swedish fish"
People need to talk about this more.
I agree
Funny enough, childbirth wouldn't been a thing without Pandora/women.
I mean the goddess go through childbirth too, but you know.
I love Swedish Fish.
"Pandora promptly dumps the contents of her jar full of evil and humanity is immediately stricken with all kinds of nasty things, like natural lifespans and childbirth and *swedish fish* "
DEAD
I love Swedish fish :(
The gods have weird standards for what can be considered evil. I'm not even surprised, the one here believes mixing fabrics is evil.
What is the problem with swedish fish?
Natalie Bollert same I was about to comment that
Surströmming is the problem of swedish fish
Fun fact: some versions pen “hope” as the worst of all the evils, as it’s only an illusion that things will get better and is preventing mortals from simply offing themselves to end their misery.
Isn’t mythology fun!
EDIT: I’m actually kind of terrified this has been upvoted so much. Please do not take this as advice and take this as an alternative reading of a popular story
More details please I’m curious!
Mythology isn't fun, and that's why we adopted religions
@@agungpriambodo1674 Religons and mythologies are just cults that got to big for their boots subdivided by current following
@@isitnotwrittenthat1680 a better comparative would be a cheer leading squad
YAY?!
Speaking as a straight man who enjoys intelligent conversation with women, I find the idea of attractive + smart = EVIL to be HILARIOUS.
In my mythology class we talked about a different interpretation. Because hope stayed in the jar, humanity can only ever experience false hope.
"...humanity is immediately stricken with all kinds of nasty things like natural lifespans and child birth and swedish fish!"
One of these things is not like the others.
i know! why would anyone dislike natural lifespans??!! dont we all wanna die?? wtf???
It's unironically child birth. Child birth primarily affects and harms and is *only done by" women so what the fuck is it doing in a list of evils inflicted on men???
@@necromelodia2432 Because obviously the storks had faster delivery. Now we men had to wait 9 months for a son.
@@atomisedman6235 yeah but the storks were enslaved and would often poke out the eyes of random guys out of hatred.
@@necromelodia2432 Idk whats worse, the implied bodily harm, or the fact you just perfectly described amazon prime
Prometheus: Basically humanity's best bro.
Brometheus
TheThreadWeaver Why didn't Humanity just worship him instead of the petty lecherous storm God who usually fucks humanity (both figuratively and *very* literally)
Inquisitor Thomas
Because Zeus had a very fragil ego and would hit you with a lighting bolt if you didn't pay him tribute, on the other hand Prometeus was like "No is fine, I don't need anything, you guys are cute and funny"
Also it would seem(?) as if Zeus is the stronger of the two, seeing how he was confidently able to chain up put Prometheus and just confidently leave him there.
+Inquisitor Thomas
Because Zeus is petty, he punished humanity because Prometheus wanted humans to be able to eat.
Promehtheus was also a Titan, not a god, I don't think they got worshiped.
There are other versions of the story where the jar breaks accidentally, or where the husband is the one to open it. It’s awhile later in late antiquity and the Middle Ages that she becomes someone who’s insatiably curious. I have to believe that the later characteristics of Pandora are heavily influenced by Eve.
jar easier to knock over than box. I rthought some versions have the box being good things.
Hesiod: "all women are queens! :D"
Women: **betrays him**
Hesiod: "Okay so you know what you little shit-"
Also Hesiod: If she breathes, SHE IS A THOT!
This story does have “venting from a rejection or break up and your in dark place” vibe
I don't think Hesiod ever believed that women are queens, sadly. So no. 😔
I keep imagining Athena and Ares playing chess in the corner of Olympus and every time Ares loses and flips the table.
We all keep imagining that.
This is defiantly what they do on their off time
Athena: I take your Rook with my Bishop
Aries: I execute my knight in front of the rest of my army for failing to defend my Rook
Athena: That’s not how- you know what fine
And that sparked the war between sparta and athens
Ares*
Zeus, you hippocrite. You made women to mess up men's lives and then you can't stop going around falling in love with them? Shame on you.
Phantom Owlet this why I love Hades,
Zeus: creates women to fuck men's lives
also Zeus: constantly causes trouble because he loves women too much
oh the turntables
I'd like to think that was a bit of poetic justice against him and the gods for allowing that to happen. Before Pandora's box the gods payed relatively little attention to human, but after the punishment of the evils humans seemed to become all the more fascinating to them.
To me that just makes him the dopey pantomime villain who falls for his own trap
I wonder how many artists fall for their art?
2:34 quotes like these are the reason why these episodes are so entertaining.
See, they lure you in as "Overly Sarcastic Productions", but their sarcasm actually has valid arguments underneath
“She’s hot but also smart and evil”
I love her already
Legend has it that Zeus later took mercy on humanity and promised to henceforth make women bad at opening jars and boxes.
THIS IS THE REASON I NEED THOSE STUPID RUBBER PADS JUST TO GET TO MY F***** *JAM!?!??!?!?!?!? D:
The entirety of Humanity vs that damn jar of pickles: czcams.com/video/3JwlwqGtRyE/video.html
That...explains way to much XD
Huh, no wonder my soda bottle caps were too hard to open after use! XD
I love/hate you for presenting such a plausible explanation. Take my surly, spiteful upvote.
“Like natural lifespans and childbirth and Swedish Fish.”
I died.
-_____-
Well, we got the Swedish Fish back at some point, so suck it, pagan gods!
I mean, how can we NOT consider Pandora evil? She gave us Swedish Fish!
@@Zakanuva No, I think the point was that the pagan gods inflicted the horrors of Swedish Fish on us.
CoryxKenshin: *TRIGGERED*
"Like natural lifespans and childbirth"
"And Swedish Fish"
*Swedish Fish are a blessing upon humanity, how dare you!*
The irony of having one of the most womanizing characters in all of fiction creating (by proxy anyway) women and having her being a malevolent entity is.... well ironic
Your most controversial take in the video is your opinion of Swedish fish
It’s a good candy tho.
Swedish fish the candy or actual swedish fish dish?
@@lunariumaqua3033 the candy
Kartana or maybe just fish that live in Sweden
@@lunariumaqua3033 Or the freeze-dried fish that Scandinavians packed with them on every journey, used as trade goods and sometimes food. To become edible they had to be pulverised with a hammer then boiled or gummed for several hours. The challenge to cut down a tree with a herring in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" could have been based on the Swedish dehydrated and cured fish that were harder than wood and retained a sharp edge until thoroughly soaked.
If Hesiod's definition of evil is sexy and sly, then I'm certain that this was inspired by the time he was ripped off by a hooker.
And if that was the case, then Hesiod's life is best suited to be a satire.
David Taylor XD this comment needs more likes
What about Hesiod's ankle fetish? I had to read the Theogony for a class, and Hesiod literally compliments four different goddesses in the text as "one with... nice ankles." *Careless whisper intensifies*
Or how about Hesiod's complete lack of understanding bee biology when he tried to say men are like buzy honey bees while the lazy women drones stay in the hive! I'll let you figure out why that analogy falls apart completely. 🤣
I want that to be a play
Hesiod was an incel.
Zeus is the kind of guy who finds out a kid was taking advantage of a loophole on the computer and decides to punish the whole class for it
3:11
"This is a bad call, as Pandora promptly dumps out the contents of her jar full of evil, and humanity is immediately stricken with all kinds of nasty things, like natural lifespans and childbirth and Swedish Fish."
Dang, Red. Way to call a whole type of candy out. But...
I don't disagree
Edit: also, wouldn't hope staying in the jar mean that humanity will NEVER have hope?
I used to puzzle about the hope thing too, until I read somewhere that hope staying in the jar meant that it's under humanity's *control*, rather than it flying around every which way.
Some take that as the meaning actually...dark, very very dark.
So... does this hatred of stories portraying you as pure evil mean I should *not* finish writing my fanfiction in which you're an evil overlord set to conquer the Earth?
They liked the comment but didn't tell you no directly...
...that must mean GO FOR IT!
Alexandre Brault fanfiction? You mean Red *Isn't* an evil overlord bent on world conquest?
It's not evil if you do it in style!
Grace Adams But was it Red or Blue who likes it?
faolan1686 DUN DUN DUN
Prometheus didn't deserve this shit.
Creating humans means he also created Justin Bieber. He deserves all he gets. He's also the God of foresight so he knew what he was doing.
Pelcogo true fact
Pelcogo Titan. Titan of foresight.
What even is the difference between a god and a titan anyway?
Pelcogo
Titans came before gods, and I believe were more powerful.
Honestly, I read a retelling of Pandora's tale when I was a kid and I didn't understand it. Or, well, maybe I understood it too much. I always thought Zeus was being kind of a jerk (like usually), wanting to punish humanity for that fire thing with Prometheus, but by making like if it was Pandora's fault. Like, "hey, take this mystery box, don't open it maybe" and Pandora, as a human, said "but what's inside and why are you giving it to me?" and Zeus all like "just don't open it I have to make at least four new demi-gods, see ya". Of course she is gonna open it! Everybody would! And, knowing Zeus, maybe if Pandora decided to not open the box, he would make her fall and make the box open itself with the hit, because lol.
Pandora is now A MOOD. like who wouldnt want a box of nightmarish creatures and concepts to take revenge on your enemies with.
Uhhhh idk?
I.. I'll take a pass.
Epimetheus: But bro, she's suuuper hot
Prometheus: Bro, I told you to 'liver' alone
Everyone: ayyyy
122yotam this comment needs to be pinned at the top
Thank you, I'm glad my de-Liver-y was on point
122yotam pls stop i can't *stomach* any more organ puns
I'd tell another organ joke, but I don't have the **guts**
122yotam I wish we could keep this up longer but I'm terrible at puns so *ileum* to the professionals
I don't understand how it takes a lot of cunning and guile to open an evil box
A pithos. The box was not gifted to the Greeks before the lesser known Titan,Boxitheus,gave it to humanity. He was punished by being locked into a box forever.
I think the implication was that the box was essentially Pandora's dowry, and its evils could only be gifted upon humanity once Epimetheus accepted her amongst their midst. Thus, not only did she need to be beautiful enough to be enticing for humanity, but she also needed to be cunning enough to set Epimetheus' worries at ease despite literally being a gift from Zeus, the guy who Epimetheus was warned against accepting gifts from. (I mean sure he was kind of an idiot so it wasn't super difficult, but it still takes a bit of cunning to convince the guy to specifically do the thing his notoriously smart brother specifically told him not to do.)
Not to open a Box but because Smats + Woman = Evil = Dangerous
It's all about who gets the box? What's in the box? How much is what's in the box worth?
It's...
A LOCKED BOX!
So basically their idea of an evil being is what your average well-mannered guy today would consider an ideal partner, cute and smart in equal measure xDD
"ugh I just wanted her to cater to my desires, I didn't want her to be a _person_ "
@@alexandraguardian9840 they are NOT people. They're toys for our pleasure.
@@N.I.A23 Yeah, sure (sarcastic mode).
@@alexandraguardian9840 keep denying facts all you want, but they're still facts.
@@N.I.A23 Whatever you say, troll (Sarcastic Mode).
"Beware Greeks bearing gifts" should also apply to the Greek Gods, basically.
The story of pandora is just one big "wife bad" boomer comic
Not just pandora, but also a lot of other stories, the amazons for an example iirc are formed because they hated their husbands who just made them cook and clean .
Sorry for bad english
every boomer is greek confirmed
One thing I don't get. The shitty shit left the box, so it's now infesting humanity. But if hope remains in the box, shouldn't it mean that humanity *doesn't* get hope?
The box was opened a second time and hope got out.
Personally,I think it's a kind of metaphor. Men are the box and Pandora releasing all the evils is a sort of nod to some people or things bringing out the worst in us. But,since Hope is often the last to die,it means it stays where it is.
At least,it's what I think.
I was so confused by that too?? Like yeah I get that it's a metaphor for "always having hope" or whatever but it's still hella confusing.
One story says its foreknowledge not hope that gets left in the box.
It's the nature of the metaphor. The "box" is the female reproductive organs. While they are blamed for unleashing everything that can kill people on the world, they remain the reason why humanity doesn't just die out entirely.
It's kinda ironic that Zeus confiscates all of Humanity's fire because of how butt-hurt he was about the sacrifices, since they need fire to burn those sacrifices in the first place, meaning Zeus just stopped them from being able to sacrifice to him at all.
I always thought fire had originated because Prometheus stole it, I didn't realise they already had it and Prometheus was just giving it back. Really paints that myth in a new light with Zeus being so petty
Honestly I could use a full salt version of this. No trying to be neutral, just Red salting on a sexist myth.
Petition for red to make that version
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That'd be fun! I want to see Red at full salt
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@@taylor_green_9 yes
THE INTRO
“I apologize in advance for what the comment section is gonna look like”
Quite shockingly the comments section here is pretty fucking tame, especially compared to a lot of other prior videos. Christ, the one where she refuses to draw Muhammed alone..
Yep
too*
It's zeus dude fucked everything he made that's why it's tame
I made the like count 666
Prometheus sounds like a real bro. A Brometheus, if you will.
i hate you and everything you stand for (lie)(that was funny)(but still)(that fuckin hurt bro)
The parallels between Pandora and Eve are very curious. I wonder if one influenced the other and whether there are any similar characters in mythology.
D I D Y O U J U S T D I S S S W E D I S H F I S H
I think she did *dusts off pitchfork* Anyone got a torch?
@Zara Basantez Might I have one? We need to get all Angry Villagers up in this shit.
Disclaimer: Do not harass or threaten people.
@Zara Basantez Wohoo! Fire!
*loads gun* Lets get her
Surströmming.
I swear Athena is the cutest deity in this entire series.
Waifu for laifu. And she would't lay with you even If she was real, so we're losing nothing!
Dreamwalker ikr
Do NOT let Aphrodite hear you say that. I agree with you, but if the goddess of love finds out......based off the myths about her, well it won't end well.
Hestia is bestia.
@@barrybend7189 man of culture right here
I wonder what Hera, and all other goddesses, thought of being used as a template for a punishment.
Zeus: "I want to permanently harm humans, so we're making a version of them that's more like you."
I know Zeus is already unpleasant to go near, but I'm imagining this is when the Olympian goddesses lost the last of their respect for him.
Also, if the only human woman married Epimetheus then humans are all part titan (unless, being a PERSON (aah!) any children may have had fathers she actually chose).
This DOES explain why human hindsight is allegedly 20/20.
Holy Mother of Gaia
Imagine being literally just the titan of hindsight...
Now that would make a killer tragedy. Someone write this!
Part of the reason why Pandora being beautiful yet evil and cunning is such a big deal is also because in ancient Greece, people, especially philosophers and artists, used to consider that there's a clear connection between physical beauty and virtue, and by default, if you were physically ugly you must be evil XD
Poor Hephaestus.
Yeah, Ancient Greeks took a huge deal with it comes to beauty to a ridiculous standards, to the point there's a saying *Kaloi k'agathoi* ("the Beautiful and the Good"). Phryne is a good historical example of this. She was a courtesan who's put on trial for committing blasphemy against Aphrodite, but she defend herself by citing her beauty basically saying "why would you condemn me to death if the gods gave me this beauty", and then the judges let her off free.
Choco Zoe wait tell me were that story or news came from?
I tried looking everywere for that story
You mean the courtesan Phryne? You can easily find her story anywhere on the internet and her Wikipedia page mentioned it.
Choco Zoe oh okay thanks!!!
Thank you for mentioning what RED chose to ignore so she can go on a "reee men are the real evil and enslaved their wives" tangent that has no actual historical basis.
Pandora's Box was apparently originally Pandora's...vase?
Pandora's Pithos
The Greeks didn't really have boxes. But they had a certain kind of vase that you could close with a lid, a pithos. The whole box idea comes mostly from painters and sculptors in the Renaissance.
The Greeks didn't have boxes but they had vases? How hard is it to make a box you literally just have to nail six pieces of wood together into a cube.
fraya1022 it depends on the artist really. In greek,we refer to the box as a box too(/kootee/), but well. As the 2 people before me said,it was neither a box nor a vase. It's an ancient greek thing that was made out of clay-
Hesiod originally referred to it as a jar- an analogy for a woman's womb.
I mean honestly Pandora sounds like an awesome SO except for the willing unleashing Swedish Fish on humanity thing
"Look at her! She's got OPINIONS and GOALS!"
Yes. That's how good characters work.
"EVIL!"
I've heard that, in some versions, hope is the worst thing to come out of the box. It's thought of as a falsehood and illusion, simply preventing people from ending their lives and freeing themselves from the other evils. Which I'm going to put under the "Yikes!" category and move on.
Hmmm, username checks out.
Wasn't it also in some batman film, then the worst suffering is having hope that suffering may end.
Nooo, that's too dark, I prefer the version where it's a good thing😭
Sounds like a solid shit take from cynical assholes. Happy to reject it too
Yeah, that kinda seems to make more contextual sense to me.
well thats fucked
On a much more positive note, apparently there are earlier versions of Pandora's story that tells a much different tale. In order to trick Prometheus's brother, who basically followed the family footsteps of protecting humanity from the gods, Pandora was presented as a bride along with her "box," containing all things good and useful to mankind. In essence, Zeus created the guise of a peace offering by presenting humans with forces of nature that formerly belonged to the gods, giving the power instead to them. Pandora, of course following the classic fatally curious flaw, opened the "box" and let loose all these things back into the hands of the gods, save one. Closing the lid in time, Pandora kept Hope within the box, and so to this day the power of hope still rests solely in our hearts.
It's a much better story than insinuating Hesiod's message that women let loose all things save for Hope, literally meaning that men have no hope against the evils of women.
Earlier story than that even, Pandora is the all giving mother goddess. She is represented on vases being hammered up from the earth. So yes her gifts were good, bad, everything.
Hesiod is just a misogynist.
@@user-pq4fc1mc7q Crazy how many interesting gods, especially goddesses, were basically whitewashed by a bunch of incel greeks in later antiquity.
3:20 the Greek word used is "elpis" and while being translated as hope it actually fits the English word "expectation" better, making elpis either good (hope) or evil (fear).
However, the fact that elpis or "expectation" stays in the jar does represent that humans will always be accompanied by expectation (elpis), unlike the "gods" who have nothing to fear or desire (hope for).
Hope this makes sense!
'Pandora is a beautiful, alluring creature, but secretly she's also cunning & sly'
Shut up, I'm sold.
On an unrelated note, what was the song that played when Red said 'but secretly [Pandora]'s also cunning & sly.'? EDIT: Nevermind, I've figured it out.
On an another unrelated note, did you know that the hope that stays in Pandora's box/jar is sometimes (but not always) depicted as a goddess in her own right? This goddess, named Elpis, is the Protogenos of Hope. Now, what is a Protogenos? The Protogenoi were basically the predecessors of the Titans, and they were also the primordial embodiments of various aspects of existence; e.g. Gaea was the earth, Uranos/Ouranos was the sky (& also the king of the Protogenoi who Kronos overthrew), Oceanus was the seas, Tartarus was the deepest, darkest, most unpleasant parts of Hades's domain (AKA the prison of the Titans and the Ancient Greek version of Hell), Thanatos was death and Elpis was hope. Also sometimes included in their ranks is the primordial Chaos from which all of existence emerged from.
Sexism existed Mainly in Athens. Remember Greece was a collection of warring city-states. Records show that the biggest name in gender equality back then was actually Sparta, they let women be single own property be educated and even get male-dominated jobs. That's why Athens and Sparta were such big rivals.
Agreed.
It certainly is a factor, but there's a bit more to the rivalry than just the two cities states attitudes regarding women's rights
Red will always aposse blue, North will always aposse South and West will always aposse East. I guess it's balance?🤔 Sorry I've been playing ACO. Sparta, is red and Athens is blue.
To say that two states were rivals because of one single issue is a gross oversimplification, and only makes sense in fiction, in reality there are a lot of reasons states have rivalries between them (economics, religion, culture, military, alliances, territorial expansion), states tend to pick out one single issue and use it an excuse to escalate preexisting rivalries from other factors, as for why Sparta and Athens were rivals, the factors include cultural differences (Spartans were a blunt and simple with words, while Athenians loved their words, just to give an idea), military (Sparta being the foremost military power of Ancient Greece, thought Athens the major naval power of its day, something the Spartans never quiet got the hang of), economy (Athens was powerful economically while Sparta's economic footprint on Greece as a whole was minimal), and alliances/territorial expansion (Sparta dominated the Peloponnese through alliances, Athens is also very close to that peninsula, putting it in the cross-hairs of being conquered or forced into the alliance under Sparta, on the other hand, Athens was an expanding empire, thus making it a threat to Sparta's alliance)
@@weik-2936 I can see how my wording may come across as saying that was the only reason, but I meant to say that that was a reason, not the reason. I'm sorry that my wording was off I could edit it to be more clarified.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what was that about Swedish Fish?
it's called "surströmming". It's the worst thing you'll ever taste, Trust me.
I myself mc fuckin love Swedish Fish and Swedish meatballs
Swedish fish are freaking excellent, not as good as German raspberries but still pretty good
Curry herring is freaking delicious. Especially with some snaps.
@ Madeleine Svensson There is an american candy named swedish fish. it kind of tastes like cherry.
that's what people are defending, not sturströmming.
I doubt anyone will defend sturströmming.
3:13 w h a t d i d y o u j u s t s a y a b o u t s w e d i s h f i s h
zeus complaining about the poor sacrifices and then taking away fire so the humans can't sacrifce to him. smart dude.
I honestly didn't know of this version. The tale of Pandora i grew up with (and the one i prefer honestly), was about how great, nice and wonderful she was. In the version i knew (Before watching this one) she never wanted to hurt anyone, and was tricked to open the box, by the nasty evils inside, and felt guilt when she realized what she had just done.
This sounds more like Bible/Kuran version of events. I like greek one more.
Sounds more more like the washed-down version for kids. Like, Ariel.
Θανάτος of Death lol I think this is one of the few times I prefer the washed down version
Talia Terrell Nice. But I prefer the not washed-down version because I like the Greek myths with tragedy and heartbreak.
I prefer the one where she is told to never ever open the box for any reason, guaranteeing that curiosity gets the better of her eventually. It also explains why one thing didnt escape, as she closed the lid and trapped it inside.
While the tale is undeniably regressive (duh, ancient greece), I think it has some strong redeeming features and interpretations that should not let go to waste. Pandora is literally all-gifted, which, even when seen as evil, puts her above the weak/uninteresting/agency-lacking female characters of other greek mythology; the traits that make her unappealing in greek society make her interesting to us, which is fascinating to me. Making love as the source of human suffering, kind of, is agreable at least. Also the Imagery of Pandora's Vase/Box/Whatever is pretty strong, with hope being everlasting regardless and all. And finally, the idea of someone created to make others miserable, of a predetermined evil of sorts, is quite tragic and makes, by today's standards, Pandora the major victim of the whole plot; exploring her psychology could lead to some amazing storytelling, showing off how one can be more than what others meant them to be.
And I'm just scratching the surface, after all the best part about myths is overanalyzing them.
P.s. How do you tag people on youtube again? @Overly Sarcastic Productions ? Does that work?
P.p.s. Prometheus is amazing everytime.
OMG Sempai noticed me.
Prometheus is amazing everytime.
FYI, Tagging used to be +name, but that doesn't work anymore. Thanks youtube.
Thanks for the info. I wish the various social networks and sites would be consistent about these rules. -_-
Carlo Mazzeranghi
In your mind, what kind of stories would you get from analyzing (this version of) Pandora that you wouldn't get from looking at similar characters? Despite the extravagance of her creation, she strikes me as very straight forward; she was created to bring evil/ misery into the world and enjoys doing so. She's more or less Maleficent, but beautiful and without magic powers. Don't get me wrong, I like Maleficent; characters with simple, pure motivations are appealing to me: Lord Dominator from Wander over Yonder, Saitama from One Punch Man, and most iterations of The Joker are also examples of this.
Even by modern sensibilities I'd hesitate to say Pandora's a tragic character or even a victim, let alone the major victim. She's literally the only human who suffer inn this story.
As a followup, there's nothing inherently wrong with a character fulfilling the ends for which they were ordained, so long as the relationship isn't abusive and person enjoys the role they've been given. Take the appliances from the Brave Little Toaster; on one hand all man-made machines must hide that are fully sentient and exist as solely as *tools* to be used by man. On the other hand, all machines (even *evil* ones) love humanity for unknowingly giving them life and genuinely find joy and fulfillment in doing what they were created for.
Fun fact when I saw the original telling myth of Pandora I thought my friend was lying to me. Because the "she was made to make mens lives hard as the perfect women" sounded like a dirty joke to 14 year old me. I am still shoked that I was wrong as the several female goddess got all in on this plan...
Why are men made first in creation myths? Mother gai is what I would make as the base of a new species if I was a titan making a first human it would be female. Like you want to butter up the oldest matriarch that your new life form depends on. Hail Gai if Zeus ego starts hurting human complain to his grandma.
I’ve never understood misogyny, or racism for that matter. It’s an admission that you can only succeed if you don’t have any actual competition. It’s the stance of a pathetic entitled prat.
Racism and misogyny are completely different. Racism is the result of never interacting with people who are different than you. Misogyny is the result of interacting with women.
@@wolfofthewest8019 both are the results of being an entitled asshole, and having a culture that backs it up.
@@wolfofthewest8019 I think Robert Martin is talking about excluding people to have less competition, using prejudices as excuses.
@@alexandraguardian9840 Read my comment again. I was making a misogynistic joke. I don't actually care what Robert was saying, I was just riffing off his comment.
@@wolfofthewest8019
Racism can be a result of bad interactions with people different from you
Kinda funny how the Ancient Greek idea of an evil character is giving them an ounce of depth
I always thought this story was super hilarious... I mean, I'm sure it's based in a lot of bad practices with women in greek city states and such... But it is pretty amusing. Even if I don't agree with what it implies about women. I think the over exaggerated implication is kind of funny, when you really look at what Greeks seriously thought.
Are we just going to overlook heroes like Theseus and Odysseus? Paragons who were paragons because they had brains and brawn? It works both ways.
@@IggyTthunders Theseus was definitely not smart considering his little misadventure with Pirithous.
Herakles would make more sense to mention, seeing as none of his myths actually portray him as a colossal idiot.
The whole "Hope stays in the jar" metaphor never really made sense to me. Like, wait, all of the bad shit got let out of the jar, and therefore now belongs to humanity, but Hope stays in the jar, and therefore also belongs to humanity? All aboard the S.S. Mixed Metaphor, and don't forget to fasten your seatbelt and locate the exit nearest to you, because it's going to be a bumpy ride.
I have always found this deeply puzzling.
Remember that to the Ancient Greeks, Hope was an EVIL, it represented the Spark of Hubris, the HOPE that Mortals might Have a Chance at Equaling the Gods themselves. and as I recall it was left in as a simple matter of Giving Humanity the CHOICE as to if they wanted to release it or not... Considering how many heroes/monsters have the Flaw of Hubris, you can guess which choice was made...
KG Motte
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. It's also possible that hope isn't a perfect translation of the original word and concept.
KG Motte
Okay, so according to Wikipedia, Hesiod didn't explicitly say what Hope staying in the jar was meant to symbolize, so it's open to interpretation. That said, I'm pretty sure from context that Hope is supposed to be a positive quality, and that it staying in the jar is SUPPOSED to represent that it belongs to mankind. Thinking on it, I guess one interpretation could be that Hope being contained in the jar makes it something that mankind can control; thus while death, disease, etc. happen to you whether you like it or not, hope is something you have to choose.
EDIT: Apparently, there is some lost-in-translation nonsense with the word hope, so my interpretation may be way off.
Sean Murphy
Can I be first mate?
The amount of comments defending Swedish fish is very amusing to me. Top quality reaction, guys!
i think the funniest thing about this is pandora's description makes me want her hand in marriage
A gorgeous woman with a sharp mind, & loves pranks? Sign me tf up!
Any bits of her you’d like in addition to one of her hands?
same dude
Yes. She sounds awesome.
"... and Swedish Fish"
Me: *Looks at the bag I'm eating from*
Me: oh
Pandora the explorer?
Pandora's Lunch Box, look it up.
KiwiFruit Yes. Just yes.
I'm a map, i'm a map
Boxer, no boxing!
get out
honestly this story would be a lot less mysoginistic and also make more logical sense if Pandora wasn't the first woman... I mean Aphrodite and Athena already exist, and since Zeus exists, that also means Hestia, Demeter, Hera, and Rhea exist. And let's not forget that Hermes was the child of a non-deific woman! 🍈
Hermes was the son of a nymph. Nymphs existed before women, that's how humanity reproduced before Pandora as myths tell you. The only gods born out of human women are Dionysus and Heracles.
Good point
I love how adorable Prometheus looks when looking at humans
Prometheus flashback: "Do NOT, under ANY circumstances, take ANY gifts from Zeus"
Epimetheus, taking a gift from Zeus: "WE'LL TAKE HER!"
Prometheus and Epimetheus' names literally mean forethought and afterthought respectively.
Pandora: You coming out Lil’ guy?
Hope: Nupe
Pandora: Suit yourself
*Pandora:T H E N P E R I S H
Isn't hope the greatest evil of all
I like to imagine Prometheus probably just felt dirty trying to sculpt a woman’s body and decided not to
Actually interestingly the ancient Greeks *didn't* consider hope a good thing. "Elpis" was empty hope where man sat around and did nothing while waiting for the good things to happen. (There are several essays on this and Hesiod also mentions it in his works). The whole "Hope is a good thing and humanity still has it cuz it's still in the pythos" was shoe-horned in afterwards by Christianity.
Zeus: hey epimetheus got a present
Epimetheus: what is it
Zeus: it's called a woman and it's totally great
Epimetheus: ok sure what could go wrong
Pandora: *yeets open box*
"Hope" is however also considered an evil in the mythology as it deceives mankind into believing (or hoping) for salvation instead of acting upon achieving it themselves.
TheVolcomDust thats pretty edgy and dumb, but then again a lot of myths have some BS.
But hope not only provides us aims but a motivation to attain those aims.
Yuwan and yet somehow less dumb than the standard version's "dumps out all the evils, so those are in the world, but hope doesn't come out so we have that too"...
The myth is a huge mess
@Yuwan
Different culture, different views.
But in a way it makes sense, instead of sitting on your arse hoping for things to get better (not like the Gods would let it), you go out and make things better yourself.
Hope can be both a Good and Bad thing. It allows for the idea of a better future being possible while also creating situations with major decisions being made on hope alone, which is a very weak foundation by itself.
“All kinds of nasty things like natural lifespans, childbirth, and Swedish Fish” *Cries in Swedish*
boutta throw hands over that swedish fish insult