Pippa Vs KyOresu

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Komentáře • 191

  • @HighFistDujek
    @HighFistDujek Před 3 dny +496

    Didn't realize it was a devil's advocate stream. Pippa forced to argue for politics in vtubing was hilarious.

    • @01100101011100100111
      @01100101011100100111 Před 3 dny +65

      That scream she gave was held back, if she had given her full, genuine reaction, the courtroom would have been destroyed.

    • @Rogue-a-Pogue
      @Rogue-a-Pogue Před 3 dny +19

      @@01100101011100100111 We saw her with the Tomoe 2024 badge. 'That's my president'

    • @NotsilYmerej
      @NotsilYmerej Před 3 dny +3

      You can tell she was bullshitting

    • @holdingpattern245
      @holdingpattern245 Před 3 dny +11

      @@NotsilYmerej she even put on an ironic voice, she couldn't bring herself to say these things unironically

    • @nickkorkodylas5005
      @nickkorkodylas5005 Před dnem

      What she said but unironically.

  • @pathfindersavant3988
    @pathfindersavant3988 Před 3 dny +363

    KyOresu: "This is what I think."
    Pippa: "Here are the exact reasons why you're wrong, you dumb sassy lost child."

  • @DAFORCEFilms
    @DAFORCEFilms Před 3 dny +161

    _“Fetish content is the lowest common denominator.”_
    Pippa “the feet streamer” Pipkin

    • @Braxtonkai
      @Braxtonkai Před 2 dny +2

      Pips isn't know for her extreme self confidence xD

  • @Heydelios
    @Heydelios Před 3 dny +277

    KyOresu advocating for dramatubers while Pippa is struggling to not burst into laughter lmao

  • @NosBlueade
    @NosBlueade Před 3 dny +57

    Fishman's lapdog seems to have future ambitious in 5 to 10 years

  • @executorocsicnarf5475
    @executorocsicnarf5475 Před 3 dny +121

    This stream is going to be taken out of context and purposefully misrepresented to hell and back.

  • @GritterTheBuckethead
    @GritterTheBuckethead Před 3 dny +91

    I didn’t initially expect the two to play Devil’s Advocate judging from the title of the stream. If Kyo came up with that, she’s an absolute genius who knows Pippa’s strengths as a streamer.

  • @lord_boneman
    @lord_boneman Před 3 dny +250

    Pippa skinwalked the activist angle way too well with the politics section, it sounded creepy how ideological it was.

    • @GANTZ100pts
      @GANTZ100pts Před 3 dny +72

      Got to send the clip to Kirsche to see her reaction.🤣

    • @spk1121
      @spk1121 Před 3 dny +85

      She knows their playbook all too well

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 Před 3 dny +31

      I think people who just watch clips and never actually watch Pippa's streams or see her post on twitter, think she's a lot more right-wing than she actually is. She just isn't super preachy about it.
      That being said, Pippa was just saying what you think you're supposed to say the whole time, she didn't put much actual thought into it as a genuine argument.

    • @joshuawillingham6363
      @joshuawillingham6363 Před 3 dny +27

      When you speak from an idiologoical standpoint, you arent actually thinking, you're just repeating the buzz words and talking points of the idiology. Chances are if you've heard four or five people talk from a particular playbook you know what they're going to say 99% of the time.

    • @key-chain
      @key-chain Před 3 dny +3

      Pippa is a critical thinker who comes to conclusions, especially recently, removed from any sort of extremist fanaticism

  • @ASpyNamedJames
    @ASpyNamedJames Před 3 dny +53

    Pippa is a very sharp cookie. She's a natural heterodox thinker and is good at seeing all the angles. I like watching her and seeing her intellect and personality develop, and I expect to see more great things out of her as time goes on and this whole vtuber thing continues to evolve.

  • @just_a_turtle_chad
    @just_a_turtle_chad Před 3 dny +356

    No one can defeat Pippa. She's way too breedable.

    • @devilcookie9924
      @devilcookie9924 Před 3 dny +31

      TRUE AND REAL

    • @cogline9
      @cogline9 Před 3 dny

      07 carry on reptile homie, carry on!

    • @dysae4484
      @dysae4484 Před 3 dny +15

      She was rated impossible on that scale thing she did a while ago

    • @GreenPoint_one
      @GreenPoint_one Před 3 dny +2

      Ahem, whuat?! Pekora sama is the ultimate bunny girl aka war criminal

    • @giancarlom.
      @giancarlom. Před 3 dny

      Tenma is more breedable. Pippa is stinky.

  • @FolstrimHori
    @FolstrimHori Před 3 dny +23

    Pippa pulling out her Season 2 voice at the start of the Politics argument really threw me off.

  • @BlueLoveYT
    @BlueLoveYT Před 3 dny +131

    Unironically, Pippa would make a great lawyer. She sounds like she can convince any side of an argument/debate

    • @Duamerthrax
      @Duamerthrax Před 3 dny +27

      She supposedly has a reputation of arguing Sakana into submission on things. Then again, it sounds like a lot of talents can do that at Phase.

    • @Jonathanloh1992
      @Jonathanloh1992 Před 3 dny +5

      I think Asmon will win the argument.

    • @jamminninja8924
      @jamminninja8924 Před 2 dny +8

      she stated in a stream somewhere that when she was younger she wanted to be a lawyer so it makes sense

    • @edenromanov
      @edenromanov Před 2 dny +8

      I mean she can legit even argue with points she herself doesn't agree with, she could definitely do well as a lawyer or politician if she ever were interested in those types of careers.

  • @Incubansoul
    @Incubansoul Před 3 dny +28

    I love how eventually they just balanced the devil hat on Pippa's ears

  • @shawnthompson5166
    @shawnthompson5166 Před 3 dny +40

    Our Pippa is such a company man

    • @aaronkelly1762
      @aaronkelly1762 Před dnem

      With how knowledgeable she is about how companies work, you'd probably have a hard time believing that she's a trailerpark shut-in.

  • @linkdude777
    @linkdude777 Před 3 dny +26

    I loved this cuz it shows that pippa can clearly point out multiple viewpoints really well on topics.
    I like when pippa smart.

  • @Pudding404
    @Pudding404 Před 3 dny +24

    We all know that Pippa's mental gymnastics are incredible, too bad they don't carry over to physical ability, lol.
    Watching her go against her very strong opinions was amazing to watch, actually fighting her inner voices.

  • @silentnight3192
    @silentnight3192 Před 3 dny +17

    I found KyOresu from her "Can I be your puppy" cover and let's just say, I'm not surprised to see a collab with Pippa.

  • @dylives7667
    @dylives7667 Před 3 dny +163

    Kyoresu:
    TTS is not the same as listening to an actual human being...
    Neuro:
    And I took that personally.
    Filtered.

    • @Blue-starnight103
      @Blue-starnight103 Před 3 dny +12

      Filtered

    • @thelordz33
      @thelordz33 Před 3 dny +3

      Neuro is a bit more complicated than TTS

    • @are3287
      @are3287 Před 3 dny +15

      Neuro comes off as more human than Zen does tbh

    • @dylives7667
      @dylives7667 Před 3 dny +3

      @@are3287 lemaooo

    • @divaofthedamned365
      @divaofthedamned365 Před 3 dny +4

      @@are3287 It's easier to watch Nuro, honestly. I couldn't get into Zen bc of the tts, it's just so...bad.. (imo)

  • @Vedues
    @Vedues Před 3 dny +15

    The presidential debate we all deserved.

  • @Cartel734
    @Cartel734 Před 3 dny +22

    Pippa was really good at arguing against her actual opinion several times like defending 3d models and explaining why you should have a schedule lol.

  • @spk1121
    @spk1121 Před 3 dny +25

    Surprisingly entertaining, as someone still kind of on the periphery of Vtubing in general. KyO did a great job setting that up and both did well in their arguments. As always, it's nice to see Pippa answering her DMs and being brave enough to try something new!

  • @godfreysneakily2802
    @godfreysneakily2802 Před 3 dny +8

    Pippa had to whip out her old voice for that bit

  • @armlesskirby
    @armlesskirby Před 3 dny +44

    Kyoresu having to defend dramatubers is crazy

    • @rinslittlesheepling1652
      @rinslittlesheepling1652 Před 3 dny +12

      Why? She is a poster child of "all PR is good". If it's wasnt for all the "SHE DID X, BUT NOW SHE IS BACK!11" channels, no one would have known this 304.

    • @juampisito
      @juampisito Před 3 dny +12

      She followed Mujin and he is in chat a lot after he did a video calling her basically a whore, the next video he did about her was happy flower saying she was great xd. Kyoresu benefited from the any publicity is good publicity after being fired from idol accused of big things xd. I think she genuinely believes that to a degree.

    • @AlimTetramorph
      @AlimTetramorph Před 3 dny +19

      ​@@rinslittlesheepling1652 over 500k subs before the whole idol thing.

    • @juampisito
      @juampisito Před 3 dny +3

      @@rinslittlesheepling1652 she was already well known but, the drama made her viewers grow

    • @edenromanov
      @edenromanov Před 2 dny +3

      Chat was dying when that happened lol

  • @Merovign
    @Merovign Před 3 dny +10

    I really liked the evolution of Pippa's Devil Hat (The hat, the ear hats, the ahoge hat, the umbrella). Also this was perfect for her, with her relatively encyclopedic knowledge of her field. I was hoping to see her more comfortable in collabs (even if the collabs aren't more common) and this was a great example!

  • @ValerianAndStuff
    @ValerianAndStuff Před 3 dny +24

    One more pink woman

  • @Layne_____
    @Layne_____ Před 3 dny +26

    "____ turned vtuber" should never count as most popular vtuber. Imagine pewdiepie creates a model and instantly obliterates any and all possible records real vtubers could have earned

  • @SeruraRenge11
    @SeruraRenge11 Před 3 dny +50

    Ah Ky0resu, the only vtuber with a Spussian accent.

    • @yawarapuyurak3271
      @yawarapuyurak3271 Před 3 dny

      at this point, I no longer have a clue about her nationality 😂

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 Před 3 dny +6

      @@yawarapuyurak3271 She's Russian but grew up for at least some of her childhood in Spain. Hence why I said Spussian, because she has a mix of both accents.

  • @SeikOsito
    @SeikOsito Před 3 dny +112

    Pippa is the perfect devil's advocate example cause anything she argues for, she doesn't follow at all.
    Argument: Are Japanese and western different?
    "Well Japan leads market"
    "But Gawr Gura"
    "Aha! Actually its other western vtuber!! GOTCHA"
    Ky0resu in shambles

    • @01100101011100100111
      @01100101011100100111 Před 3 dny +15

      Wormed her way through like a real litigater.

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 Před 3 dny +6

      tbf, it's not hypocritical to make a devil's advocate argument because the point of DA isn't to represent your own views. That's literally your job, to do the research and make the counter-argument for the sake of the other side having a fair shot in debate. The term comes from a now-defunct concept in the Catholic church where they would have someone come in to argue why someone SHOULDN'T be granted sainthood, in a way "speaking for the devil"
      At the same time, she's actually a terrible DA because she can't keep her points straight.

    • @SeikOsito
      @SeikOsito Před 3 dny +4

      @@SeruraRenge11 Ye, even in Pippa's stream for collab's she can have that 'contrarion' style.
      First argument is funny cause it's about does the voice matter, when Pippa's favorite is Watame because of her voice and overall comfort appeal.

    • @MCcrepperify
      @MCcrepperify Před 3 dny +2

      ​@@SeikOsitohonestly id bring up subaru since her voice can be grating for people but still finds success despite that

  • @brothersingaming6372
    @brothersingaming6372 Před 3 dny +10

    Damn Pippa making solid points. Should be hired to represent you if needed.

  • @Yawnz2
    @Yawnz2 Před 3 dny +80

    I think you linked the wrong channel for Kyo.
    Pippa did a good job answering these questions. Pretty impressive, id like to think Phase has helped her mature

    • @yuukanee
      @yuukanee Před 3 dny +1

      Just try again the link, it didnt work first time for me, reload and it worked, weird

  • @redroseanon9773
    @redroseanon9773 Před 3 dny +7

    Pippa was just too big brain for Ky0.

  • @BlueLoveYT
    @BlueLoveYT Před 3 dny +23

    6:08 Disagree. The most popular vtuber clearly has the most rule 34

  • @Rezekzero
    @Rezekzero Před 3 dny +8

    The personality : mari mari underscore en. Nice 👍

  • @Dorian_Scott
    @Dorian_Scott Před 3 dny +9

    The most chaotic collaboration of all time.

  • @intro_carlequin9913
    @intro_carlequin9913 Před 3 dny +10

    OUR ELEPHANTS 🐘❤️🐘
    ITS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

  • @user-fu9hc3oi3l
    @user-fu9hc3oi3l Před 3 dny +7

    We hittin the fent and fuckin our manager with this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @kevinp6886
    @kevinp6886 Před 3 dny +33

    I dont want politics in my entertainment because they are always one sided, there is no argument and neither want accountability when they are wrong, it is what it is

  • @daveTHEdirty
    @daveTHEdirty Před 3 dny +7

    0:19 ( absolute unit)Our Queen tonkatsu Sinclair

  • @wildwankers96
    @wildwankers96 Před 3 dny +6

    This was a fantastic idea

  • @brownhound05
    @brownhound05 Před 3 dny +7

    PINK WOMAN DEATH BATTTLEEEEEEEE

  • @erikjimenez8671
    @erikjimenez8671 Před 2 dny +1

    It’s like watching Aristotle and Plato having a debate

  • @sousentabasco7711
    @sousentabasco7711 Před dnem +1

    If I ever am framed of a murder I definitively want Filippa Wright to defend me, I mean look at her go :D

  • @SEThatered
    @SEThatered Před 3 dny +3

    Pippá is ESL not because we allegedly hate her.
    It is rather an observation that a pink yabbit speech calamities are congruent with someone still learning English.

  • @Syphilis-Buddy
    @Syphilis-Buddy Před 3 dny +6

    The coomer clips to genuine fan pipeline is real. If you get somebody to start watching you for any reason, then you can show them your "real" content after you draw them in.

  • @shadowslayer205
    @shadowslayer205 Před 2 dny +1

    Kyo hit the nail on the head on how 'Vtuber culture' should be. I remember in the early years when vtuber companies trying to market japanese-style idol culture to english-speaking audiences led to some very toxic standards developing in the community, which thankfully were curtailed over time by indies and newer companies challenging those notions and bringing new ideas to the table.

  • @abracadabraxpotato3185
    @abracadabraxpotato3185 Před 3 dny +7

    Pippa doing God work

  • @jsmith6599
    @jsmith6599 Před 2 dny +3

    Pippa: I don't know if I want to know a vtuber that, like, fucked her dog or stole $10K from somebody.
    KyOresu: Idk, in my opinion it's actually like the peak of vtubing!
    Pippa: WTF?! 😆

  • @lordcommissarspartan
    @lordcommissarspartan Před 3 dny +4

    There's only one case where a drama blowing up introduced me to a creator, and that was people going on about Rune Bunnura when she made her "Lolis are inherent to VTubing" tweet

    • @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer
      @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer Před 3 dny +2

      *RIP Runie* she was too good for this cruel world 🙌😔🙏

    • @lordcommissarspartan
      @lordcommissarspartan Před 3 dny

      @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer I'm going to recommend a completely unrelated vtuber. Look up "Chio Chompi" for me

  • @TheSaltMustFlow
    @TheSaltMustFlow Před dnem

    Watching this in x1.75 really captures the break-neck pace of a Phoenix Right trial.

  • @Jonathanloh1992
    @Jonathanloh1992 Před 3 dny +4

    KyOresu is kinda based ngl

  • @gustav25897
    @gustav25897 Před 2 dny

    Pippa: "DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE????"

  • @jordan7077
    @jordan7077 Před 3 dny +5

    What stat does pippa have? Charisma - intelligence - or wisdom.... idk anymore an enigma

  • @alecrutz6979
    @alecrutz6979 Před 2 dny

    Pippa's scream of agony at 6:45 is the best part

  • @chocolatesquirrel2002

    I love when Pippas microphone refuses to take her screams 😂

  • @Braxtonkai
    @Braxtonkai Před 2 dny +1

    This kinda stream is actually pretty good

  • @GTA_500
    @GTA_500 Před 3 dny +5

    I don't think the models go to trash. I bet the guy from VOMs has Pikamee's model saved because it's still worth a lot of money.

  • @Tuetenfussballer
    @Tuetenfussballer Před dnem

    Pippa was really in her element.

  • @cptmidnight6117
    @cptmidnight6117 Před 3 dny +1

    We love you Pippa! 😊❤👍

  • @mistafaceless4856
    @mistafaceless4856 Před 3 dny +3

    Yo Pippa knows Corpse_ch nice

  • @Isaac-eh6uu
    @Isaac-eh6uu Před 3 dny +9

    I would hate to argue with Pippa she just bring up outliers and it would be frustrating to argue with her.

    • @Duamerthrax
      @Duamerthrax Před 3 dny

      Apparently, that's how she wins arguments with Sakana.

  • @Misanthropolis
    @Misanthropolis Před 21 hodinou

    CORPSE MENTIONED! Pippa knows her! Nice!

  • @sergio-er1zx
    @sergio-er1zx Před 22 hodinami

    Yapbit is too good of an debating centestman

  • @holdingpattern245
    @holdingpattern245 Před 2 dny

    Don't challenge Pippa on vtuber knowledge, she knows about whole worlds of vtubing that you can't even imagine.

  • @Kazeki001
    @Kazeki001 Před 3 dny +6

    Corpo pippa is built different

  • @backgroundnoise9310
    @backgroundnoise9310 Před 3 dny

    Persuasive rabbit

  • @Lazy_Naxor
    @Lazy_Naxor Před 3 dny

    I'm scary about how reasonable and mature? Pippa was during this. . .wendigo?

  • @bananashoplifter3440
    @bananashoplifter3440 Před 3 dny +3

    does peepa sound different or am i crazy

    • @SleepyVesties
      @SleepyVesties Před 3 dny +2

      She had ligma recently and it could be why her voice sounds a bit different

  • @EpochWin
    @EpochWin Před 3 dny +11

    Pippa: *no wanna talk politics*
    Also Pippa: "Have you heard about Waco?"

  • @GodOfMoxie555
    @GodOfMoxie555 Před 3 dny +1

    This streams peak

  • @ThunderPuf
    @ThunderPuf Před 21 hodinou

    This was a fun stream and people will die if you don't watch it.

  • @donzapatero4808
    @donzapatero4808 Před dnem

    I saw pink women doing pink things so i clicked

  • @BlueLoveYT
    @BlueLoveYT Před 3 dny +3

    4:22 Disagree. Would be very interested in a story where a vtuber segged their dog or stole money

    • @Rogue-a-Pogue
      @Rogue-a-Pogue Před 3 dny

      So one about a vtuber who is a white woman but also a thief. 🤔 🍋

  • @thelordz33
    @thelordz33 Před 3 dny

    Since when did Pippa sound so corporate?

  • @Braxtonkai
    @Braxtonkai Před 2 dny

    @08:10 fuggin lol

  • @lovalmidas
    @lovalmidas Před dnem

    Rebuttal possibilities, assuming you don't bring up actual VTubers as evidence points. :D
    1:07 "Ah, see, if you even don't remember her name would you call that 'successful'? Madam, you speak functional, that is not the same." (It is possible to bring up TTS-tubers like Zen as a counter to this, but you can counter-counter by asking if she believes Zen's real voice to be 'ugly')
    2:25 "So, you speak of insurance, as though the talent is an employee you can remove at will. Maybe that is true for some, but that just means they don't own the IP in the first place, only licensed to use it. There is no 'retaining' there. There are VTubers would bring in a whole cake with them when they join. Wouldn't it be fair to say that their IP, made by their sweat and blood, stays with them?"
    5:08 "That is like saying Japan and the West are different because one uses NicoNico and their other uses Twitch. That's like, meaningless. The majority of VTubing is gaming, and what I see is that Japanese and Western content creators play the same games like Minecraft, swear with the same intensity, try to emote and flail in Live2D, and laugh at memes, and sometimes indulge in odd talk. I don't think they are that different."
    7:03 "I-I agree. But, isn't that what dramatubers are doing already? Aren't dramatubers VTubers too? We may not be equipped to deal with politics sensitively, so I would like to thank those 'experts' for their service. :D" (kyo almost offered that point :D)
    7:49 [I'm keeping the discussion as is] :D
    Argumentation is kinda fun.

  • @springmage6321
    @springmage6321 Před 3 dny

    KyOresu is such a cutie 💖😊

  • @DAMAGEdONE33
    @DAMAGEdONE33 Před 3 dny +1

    PippaESL

  • @turtleh
    @turtleh Před 3 dny

    People are fucking dying!

  • @HARD_WORK965
    @HARD_WORK965 Před 2 dny

    Pippa based

  • @ADayinWhite
    @ADayinWhite Před 3 dny +7

    If you forget about how she almost got an entire agency blackballed, Kyoresu is almost enjoyable.

    • @alexgainsborough4921
      @alexgainsborough4921 Před 2 dny +2

      The agency is to blame for violating the main rule of any business: never do business with drug addicts.

    • @ADayinWhite
      @ADayinWhite Před 2 dny +2

      @@alexgainsborough4921 I thought I was gonna have to argue my point as I started reading that, but then you took a sharp left turn and I laughed my ass off. You're not wrong!

  • @oscargutierrez2125
    @oscargutierrez2125 Před 3 dny

    ¿Qué significa ESL?

    • @Donuts8
      @Donuts8 Před 3 dny

      English as a Second Language = ESL

    • @oscargutierrez2125
      @oscargutierrez2125 Před 3 dny

      Really? Where Pippa come from?

    • @Donuts8
      @Donuts8 Před 3 dny +1

      @@oscargutierrez2125it’s a joke. Sometimes she stumbles while talking and reading. It’s just chat teasing her.

    • @alexgainsborough4921
      @alexgainsborough4921 Před 2 dny

      @@oscargutierrez2125 she's from Texas. And yes, it's a tease.

  • @liquidbismuth1044
    @liquidbismuth1044 Před 2 dny +2

    Alright, so after some light research, it seems KyOresu was previously Riro Ron, the Idol EN member who got terminated a while back for supposedly sleeping with her fans and one of the managers who was married, as well as intending to get high off her own medication live on stream.
    So, am I missing any further information that came out since then that actually proves her innocence? Because I really don’t want to believe Pippa collabed with a scummy person here.

  • @intro_carlequin9913
    @intro_carlequin9913 Před 3 dny +1

    Кстати, слоники, СТАВИМ ЛАЙКИ И ПОДПИСЫВАЕМСЯ НА LOW EFFORT CLIPS!!!!

  • @MoparNewport
    @MoparNewport Před 3 dny +2

    ...wow. Has pippers ever gone corpo.
    Gotta say, not a fan of it.

  • @Jamushu
    @Jamushu Před 3 dny +6

    I really don't know how you could watch this clip and still call Pippa *_"based."_*

    • @musmalpissen
      @musmalpissen Před 3 dny +57

      do you know how devil's advocate works?

    • @ubcroel4022
      @ubcroel4022 Před 3 dny

      Because they're brownoids and SEAggers, so long as she dogwhistles here and there they'll chuck and jive for their toothless yabbit.

    • @GritterTheBuckethead
      @GritterTheBuckethead Před 3 dny +18

      Seems like you didn’t watch the stream then.

    • @Jamushu
      @Jamushu Před 3 dny

      ​@@musmalpissen I know Pippa is the devil. Does that count?

    • @spk1121
      @spk1121 Před 3 dny +26

      It's a form of debate club. You are assigned a position and have to make a genuine effort to defend it, even if you don't personally agree with it. It's important to be able to engage in thought exercises because they allow for greater mental flexibility and understanding in general.

  • @linkdude777
    @linkdude777 Před 3 dny +11

    I loved this cuz it shows that pippa can clearly point out multiple viewpoints really well on topics.
    I like when pippa smart.

    • @zerostarx1
      @zerostarx1 Před 3 dny +4

      "smart"
      Pippa's default instinct is being a contrarian and enjoys arguing.