001 Loudspeaker placement (long version)
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- My practical and easy two step approach to loudspeaker placement, the long version (English and Dutch subtitles - Nederlands ondertiteld). If you're a novice, I'll advise you to watch the short version first at • 002 Loudspeaker placem... . The step by step instructions contain explanations on why you have to take these steps. You can also read read the article at thehbproject.com/en/articles/3... or watch the short version of the video at • 002 Loudspeaker placem... . And please do leave comments below if things are not clear; I love to learn from you what can be improved in the video.
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This is the best and most informative video about speaker placement I have ever seen. Thank you
Bruno Fonseca my pleasure
Totally agree :-)
"there are more costly solution
but they lead to costly divorce..."
hahaha
You say it so seriously i had to repeat it
to make sure thats what you said.
I like the art of 'tongue in cheek' but am no expert in it yet.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Divorce is expensive because it's worth it.
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Finally a practical approach instead of the usual esoteric twaddle and impracticable advice that is found on youTube too often; Thanks Hans!
Nak CD Thanks to you for your kind words. Please share the link so I can keep producing more...
The biggest problems with some of the you tubers is, that it's often from a professional standpoint, were you have to spend crazy amounts of money to get your room "fixed", and as Hans points out here, it could lead to a divorce ;-) Therefor this vd is very informativ :-)
This is the best explanation about audio I have ever heard
As a complete beginner just having bought his first pair of monitors, this video both gives me exactly the information I was looking for and introduces new concepts to pique my interest in the hobby. All the while maintaining an unpretentious and entertaining delivery. Subscribed!
Welcome
Also I want to say how nice it is to watch a YT video that the sound levels aren't totally messed up.
this video is one of the best i've seen,period.
You're most kind. Thank you.
Yes man,your welcome,I've really learned alot from just that one video,I have a number of questions i would love to ask...do u have a Facebook or Skype account that we could converse on?
You can ask questions here or on facebook.com/hansbeekhuyzen or www.google.com/+TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel. That way other people with the same question(s) can find an answer. Only if privacy is of importance, I will accept private posts - if I can find the time.
Excellent video that puts things in right context. I have a question or two: when I put i.e. left speaker at my seating position, what should I do we the other speaker? Do I leave it on its position or unplug it? And does it affect in my seating position is lena on back wall? I don't have Facebook or google + so I apologize for asking questions this way. Thank you.
Great video, I have always noticed speaker positioning makes a huge difference
I’m still working on the walls of the outer room of my room within a room. It’s going to be a challenge to tame and I might have to accept that I won’t ever have a fantastic room, but it’s videos like yours that keep my spirits high! Thank you.
I've watched dozens of videos on speaker placement and this one is, without question, the most informative and practical one I have seen. I especially liked the visual aids. They make it easy to understand the concepts.
Thank you sir
Most informative audio thing I've ever heard, seen or even read.
Highly appreciated. Even a dummy like me was able to really grasp this for the first time, even though I've read and watched a million things prior. Much appreciated my friend. Subbed.
Great to hear!
Mijn geluid vóór Hans Beekhuyzen: ¡ No bueno! Mijn geluid na deze video: Perfect! Dank je wel Hans. Zeer rustig en helder uitgelegd, en dit werkt 100%, echt heel blij mee.
One, Hans knows what he's talking about. Two, more importantly, he can explain in a manner that can be understood. I would have loved more examples but This was perfect.
Thank you very much. I am not english and I have understand all easily cause you speak very well. You are a very good teacher, I have learn a lot as an amateur and you have keep me super interested all the time. One of the best video I have see from long time. It's clear that your purpose is to teach others about what you master and love. Thank you, it's a real pleasure to see a video of this quality ;)
Beste Hans, wat een geweldig kanaal! Tussen alle zogenaamde reviews en unboxing videos iemand met een degelijk verhaal en verstand van zaken. Top!
Bedankt! En.. zegt het voort. Het helpt me echt als ik nog meer kijkers krijg.
"There are also costly professional solutions, but they often result in even more costly divorces."
+Alan Schrader I just wonder whether this is an endorsement or a comment:-)
+The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel Oh I thought it was hilarious, and easy to miss because it was delivered so dryly. My kind of humor. Two thumbs up. Great video, too. :)
+Alan Schrader 👍👍
also remember to "take a shower everyday AND change your underwear" =)))))
Made my day
Amazing..... The video not only explains the techniques of correct speaker placement but also beautifully explains the reason behind each technique in a simple and easy to understand manner... Not seen a better tutorial yet in you tube.... Thanks a ton....
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Thanks Hans, just bought a new stereo and this video was not only a good review of acoustics but you covered all of my questions about speaker placement! Very excellent! Thanks 👍🏻
My pleasure
THE best video on speaker placement! Bedankt Hans ;)
I just found this video and am now kicking myself, this easily one of the most informative speaker placement videos I've ever seen 👏 👌 🙌 😀 thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Nice to know the maths involved in speaker placement...Thanks Hans
The best explanations I have ever heard.
With so much misinformation out there, it is great to hear someone explain room acoustics accurately and in an easy to understand way. His explanation, including visuals, of room modes is better than I have ever been able to explain to clients. One suggestion, for those creating a room for audio reproduction, not only should the room proportions not be multiples of each other, but the construction of each wall/floor/ceiling system should be such that they do not resonate at the same frequency.
Glad it was helpful!
Wonderful presentation. As a audio tech of some sort I was impressed with your ability to express a technical observation in terms that all of us can understand and use. Most of what you said I knew but was amazed that I did not know it all until you said and showed what it all meant.
Thankyou so much for a direct to the problem at hand and thoughtful presentation. John M.
+john Daniels Thank you so much John, you're too kind. Spread the word to create an environment I can continu to make these videos.
You got it Hans. Im watching your MQA 2 parter right now. Take care and keep up the good work, John M.
Fantastic video witch explains beautifully and succeed in cutting in pieces this very complex science and succeed in destroying the myths that plague the conversations. Focuses on broad questions, and give general answers that always show the diversity of rooms, and remain valid in different cases.
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thanks for the info involving halls, you're the first to mention it.
All his videos are easily understandable. Very informative. So helpful.
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Congratulations for your work ! Actually in these days I'm looking for a new pair of speakers and I haven't already realized what ti buy. Moreover I' ve got a very particular shaped room; and your tips which are both interesting and practical will help me a lot !
So I will adapt the room first.... the speakers come after.
I really like your explanations and descriptions. I also like the little comedic digs.
Cool, thanks!
Thank you! I've been using this method in setting up a listening room prior to pick the best suited series for quite sometimes. This video have describe the theory of room acoustics the simplest and most comprehensive way.👍
Glad it helped!
Weer iets wijzer wat speaker plaatsing betreft, bedankt voor de tips en uitleg simpel en doeltreffend !
Thanks for this excellent presentation
I'm going to post the exact same response that was stated below, because it needs to be said again: This is the best and most informative video about speaker placement I have ever seen. Thank you!!!
Wow, thank you!
Great video. One more point regarding fully dampened rooms not being ideal to listen to what the music production team had in mind: let's not forget that mixes are done in studio rooms that also have some reverb and early reflections. Yes, studios are well treated acoustically to be as neutral as possible but it doesn't mean they are not live. Therefore you are right in saying that too much dampening is not advisable.
Excellent tutorial ! Mes compliments cher Monsieur !
Avec plaisir monsieur
Thank u so much for this video! Your suggestions have made a huge difference in my monitoring station. It’s a small room but your work around has helped considerably! Thanks again!
Great! Enjoy the music.
Excellent. By far the most important thing most people (with more than extremely poor/cheap reproduction) can do to improve their sound. Great to see an audiophile/hifi-er stressing this.
Well structured and very very informative video. The most didactical and insightful that I've came across about stereo speaker placement.
You're most kind.
Another excellent and articulate video. Clear and to the point with out being over technical. I wish I had access to this type of concise and accurate advice when I started getting into audio in the early 80s.
I don’t have the luxury of a dedicated listening room. My hifi rig has to fight for it’s right to be in our family lounge. The lounge is far from ideal. 21 feet long, 18 feet wide and 7.5 high. It has plasterboard walls, a concrete ceiling separating it from the apartment above. A wood clad concrete floor, built on block and beam work as it is ground floor. One of the long walls is all windows from above 3 feet from the ground. It is ‘open plan’ so my 8 feet wide, 14 feet long kitchen, makes the room L-shaped! Ive absolutely no acoustic room treatment, other than a large, plush rug placed in front of and between my large floor standers. With much hard earned cash, time, experimentation, trial and error and powers of heated persuasion to get the long suffering wife on side, I have now built a premium quality rig, which despite room acoustic issues, does for the most part reproduce music the way I prefer to hear it.
Over the years, I’ve upgraded components, cables, speakers Etc. Piece by piece and appreciated the sonic differences they’ve made, be it good or bad. However, I’ve recently made one change which has totally killed the ambiance of the room. I replaced our old leather 3 and 2 seater sofas for a slightly smaller, lighter 3 and 2 seater fabric sofas. Listening to music is now, well, far more intimate. My normal listening level is around 78db. I used to be able to achieve this by turning the volume control to 11 o’clock, I now have to turn it to 1 o’clock for the same results. I’m not sure that I’m happy with this new sonic intimacy. I guess I will learn to be happy with it as these sofas are here for the long hall.
I have 2 subs, placed along the same horizontal line as my floor standers. I’ve now introduced a 3rd, down firing sub which I’ve placed centrally between my floor standers and in front of the opposite wall. I’ve had to experiment and reduce the intensity level on all 3 subs, but I have now achieved a more open and ambient reproduction.
I have contemplated, costly professional room treatment, but I know that would push the wife to contemplate divorce, or murder. So it’s a case of minimising the compromises/concessions and maximising/appreciating the benefits/alternatives.
Keep up the excellent videos Hans.
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Amazing tutorial. Thank you for sharing it!
There's some real gems in here.. good stuff, thanks
Thank you.
Thank you for the very informative video. Very well explained!!
Best explanation of room acoustics I've seen
Wow, thanks!
Absolutely the best video I’ve ever seen on the subject. Well done. Already subscribed…. 🙂
Welcome aboard!
Thank you sir! An excellent and informative video!
this is the most intelligent video I've ever seen! thank you
Tell the world about it😊 and consider supporting the channel through Patreon: patreon.com/theHBchannel
I will absolutely share this with every audio friend I have and anyone else I can!!!! this was very intelligent!! :) nice job your very clear about what your saying and has help me some...I have a old pair of Klipsch 5.2 and I've been having a problem with placement. the reason I even have them there in very good condition and I paid $80 for the pair...they where worth that there not the best but my Sansui 7900 sounded better with them than my Marantz 2270 the 2270 sounded better with a 3 way speaker the Sansui can really make any speaker sound pretty good !
Enjoy the music!
What a fantastic video. I am feeling happy that I could learn so much from this video. Thanks! And after watching your very honest biography and realising that you are a person with backbone, what used to be called integrity but is practically extinct nowadays, I gladly subscribe now to your channel. Thank you 🙏
You are so welcome!
Excellent presentation. Really helpful. Thank you very much!
Felix Vatamanu Thanks Felix. Spread the word to keep me 'in the air'
Great videos! Again Thank you.
The best explanation. Mr Hans thank you.
Glad you think so!
Dank je, Hans - very informative; subscribed!
Helpful - thank you. Might be even more helpful to subscribers to also cover the potential advantages of 45 degree toe-in:
1. Greatly widens the sweet spot for outstanding sound staging - you don't have to worry so much about sitting exactly in the middle - very useful for multiple listeners or when you are moving about the room while listening too; [As you move to the left you are closer to the left speaker but more off-axis, and further from the right speaker but more on-axis]
2. Can help reduce or virtually eliminate early reflection problems from side walls, (depending on the room of course);
3. Can reduce treble without having to resort to tone controls, which can be a very good thing when using resolving sound systems (such as high-end studio monitor / dac combinations).
If you haven't done so, try it!
Very informative ! Thank you so much . . .
Great video, thanks Mr. Beekhuyzen
My pleasure.
Brilliant explantation, I learnt loads thanks.
Great to hear!
Thank you for this educational video man!
My pleasure
fantastic explanation sir thanx for share ☺
Very practical concepts. Thank you for posting.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Sir Beekhuyzen for the knowledge shared
Bonginkosi Skhosana it was my pleasure
Hans, I have been listening to 2 chl sound for a long time. Cardas has provided a placement table where data is entered (HxWxL) and a starting measurement is spit out. If room is rectangular move speakers 1/2" at a time (you can use one channel) until bass increases and then transitions to out of phase. I liked your floor crawl to find starting point. Since midrange and highs are in the signal correct phasing can be detected. With very small movements shift speakers to brightest sound while maintaining phase. I sit in listening chair moving toward and away from speaker listening for image to shift. If it does not that is almost your spot. Nudge speaker so sound "image moves behind the speaker. Measure distance to rear wall. Cut piece of pvc pipe and trim so it is a slip fit between rear wall & closest portion of speaker back. Using same distance from side wall position second speaker same distance to back wall. Give a listen seated as you would listen. Walk the center line to the back wall. Any movement of sound R to L indicates sound lobes along center line. Go through the procedure again. changing speaker to back wall distance. When properly set there is no lobing along the center line, The sound stage will be behind the speakers on a 3D stage and looking at each instrument will not shift its position. Takes a while but when you dial it in you will have an acoustic holograph and the speakers magically disappear. Hans technique with the mirrors on side wall indicate prime reflection. I make diffuser panels with odd lengths of wood glued to panels hung over those location. These panels can be painted, stained, whatever you like to make them blend in or stand out. You could make a wire frame with speaker grill cloth attached to the panels to visually hide them. I use 2x2 & 2x4 doug fir from 1.5" to 3.5" sliced to random lengths. Panel can get heavy so support well.
Hans is the king so take his advice. I have had great success with my approach as well.
Your voice is so calming :-)
Like the video!
I hope that's a compliment😚
Excellent Video. Thanks.
Heel duidelijk en helder Hans ++++
Good presentation Hans
just finished watching. thanks new best friend.
You drop some good zingers in there for those listening closely :)
BTW the video was very helpful. Thanks.
Fantastic video and channel. Thank you!
Thank you too!
Hello Hans. I’m impressed by the audio knowledge you possess! Also, your English is very good! Friendly regards, Emiel (I’m also Dutch).
Many thanks!
Particularly good video. I have seen a similar set up called the "Master Set" here in Colorado, USA, which works very well. Also, I built a new house and constructed my listening room with dimensions in ratios of phi ᵩ (~1.618:1) to maximize spacing between standing waves. My room is approximately 3 meters high 5 meters wide and 8 meters long. I also have absorbers in the side first reflection points and a throw rug (with double carpet pad) on the floor to absorb the floor bounce. The sound is amazing, especially considering my relatively inexpensive equipment.
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20:19 Amazing.
One of the simple and easy understanding video. Most of the cases,all talking about BOX room,which means it has symmetrical side walls but here in our city,most of us having a living room like 14 feet wide and deep 12 feet,one side window,one side to dinning room most of audiophiles here can only place the speakers on the 14 feet side. Do you have any suggestion in acoustic treatment in this type of room ? Thank you in advance as I'm going to move into a new home with 23 ft wide and 15 ft deep and have no choice but to put speakers on the 23 ft side (the rear wall of speakers only has 13 ft).
good job man
thanks for your great advice .... best channel ever !!!!
Tnx Xizt, you're most kind. Tell the rest of the web
I recently began work to create a home studio and have been trawling the web to better educate myself on acoustics etc. Your videos are exceptional, I'm surprised to find myself digesting such 'abstract' technical/mathematical information on the first play-through.
I'd only request that you do more 'general' educational videos on the science of sound, such as this one... Your pace and clarity in writing and presenting makes light work of these very demanding subjects, a rare thing.
If a specific suggestion is more useful... A video going into more detail on sound absorption and reflection techniques perhaps? ...You touch on the subject here, I'd like to hear more on those improvised methods from the 80's. :-)
Subbed and shared ...and thanks.
You're most kind. Please realize that this channel is aimed at people that want to get back to proper stereo reproduction in the home. Of course, you can use my method for the control room but I do not intend to make videos on the subjects you suggested. At least not for a long time. Apart from that: studio acoustics is a subject even professionals disagree on between them. There are several 'religions' but in the end it is not the 'religion' but the way it is carried out.
Please do consider the mod I suggested in this video: czcams.com/video/L83EEDbAMJI/video.html. It does make a big difference.
Fantastisch gedaan Hans! Groeten, Johan Fransen. :) subscribed!
Suprr useful info. Thanks Hans
Well explained! keep it coming
Thanks! Well, there are now about 100 videos so you'll have a lot to catch up😃
Hallo Hans, uw uitleg is (zoals bij elke video) uitgebreid. En ikzelf kan erg genieten van de grapjes die u er in borduurt. Ga zo door!
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great info, bedankt.
20:22 : "There are costly professional solutions, but they often lead to even more costly divorces." The quotes resonates with me, although in my case they lead to homelessness.
I am sorry to hear that. I hope you have found help to reverse the situation.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel JK man! Thanks for the video. I'm currently building my listening room and Iearned much from your material. Cheers!
fantastic explanation!
Glad you liked it!
very nice audio.
some talk about audio BUT their video has horrible audio
well done
Stellar job, Sir!
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Brilliant explanation
Glad you liked it
great explanation. you should do a video only for sub woofers placement.
Very interesting theory's on acoustic solutions and I did like the video i have seen and listened to so many people's ideas and solutions to this the room set p it's hard to know what's right what's wrong, and yours to offered some good ideas but still it seems are vague, so I shall continue on my quest for creating the perfect listening area and environment , but thanks for sharing your eloquent thoughts and solutions , best wishes Steve Henderson, Grooveline recorders UK,
Steve Henderson Hi Steve, from your signature I gather you're talking about a control room setup. That's quite different from a listening room for the consumer. The intention of this video is to help the unexperienced consumer set up his/her stereo in a 'normal' living room, which is a room that acoustically is pleasant to be in. If you own a modern house with a living that has glass from top to floor on three sides, my approach will absolutely not work (what will?). But if you have a living that is normally furnished, it does. A control room has other needs than a living room, although here there are many 'religions'....
Excellent presentation, Hans. As a physicist with acoustics specialisation and a lifelong Hi-Fi nut, I know you offer very "sound" advice! :-) All the best, Rob from Switzerland
Thanks Rob, appreciate it.
Excellent CZcams Hans!
Last year I moved my music audio system down from our 13' x 24' living room to a 24' x26' (plus alcove) "man cave", while upgrading most of the equipment, including a new set of speakers.
I got the speakers really "dialed in" to the room, sounded just great....until I added a pair of sub woofers. The resonances of this "man cave" were such that bass sounds lacked all "definition".
With the help of the Room EQ Wizard software and a calibration microphone, I was able to combine the addition of bass traps with repositioning of the speakers and sub woofers, to dramatically improve not only the low bass sounds, but the mids and highs, and the stereo "sound stage".
Maybe in a future CZcams you could provide guidance on the tuning of sub woofers and rooms!
+Evan Rosenberg I never came to think of placing the sub was a problem since it's really simple. Use the same trick as used for the low end of normal speakers: place a sub on the listening position, play music with percussive bass and start listening through the room. Usually halfway a wall is the best while in the corner will produce the loudest bass. If halfway the wall doesn't work, try one third (but never a quarter). If you have two subs, place them opposite each other (to start with).
+The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel PS: don't spend too much time on software trying to solve placing. I know a number of acousticians and they all say the same when asked in private: software is good for a rough estimate, although they could do an equal good rough estimate by head. The second function is to use the nice graphs as sales tool:-). I even know a guy that has all the installers and home theatre 'Diploms' and visits you with impressive software but doesn't have a clue!
+The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel
With my particular room, before I added bass traps, the only way I could get the "boominess" out of the room was to place the subs behind the listening position, in roughly the middle of the room. But the "visceral" experience was all "confused" in the bass region, where a musician playing a bass would appear to be playing in front of me, but as they moved down in the registers, that moved around the room.
Once I got the bass traps positioned correctly, I placed them flanking the main speakers and the "viscerals" are just fine now.
+The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel
My subs have microphones and built in EQ to match them to the room, but with an SPL meter, I had the volume turned up just a bit too loud.
Once I got REW working, it helped me tailor the frequency & volume on the subs.
My system now doesn't sound like it has sub woofers, which I feel is a "good thing"....now once you disconnect the subs, they are greatly missed!
+Evan Rosenberg Well, that's what you want. Enjoy the music.
Thank you, Sir.
My pleasure Luis.
Very interesting thank you I have a question how to calculate the perfect volume and size of the room I'm about to build for a 15' woofer ? speakers high efficiency 96 dB-W-1meter H130 cm/55:p7O cm Total system >100k
Thanks in advance
Pol
I am building a house right now. The Kitchen, Living, Dining, and entry way will all be one room that is is about 30 X 30 feet. Tile floors, 9 foot ceiling. About the worst environment for listening. The AV area will be in the living “area” which is approximately 1/4 of the area. I have a 5.1 system now with 4 floor standing speakers, a center channel and a sub. I know I will need some sound deadening (rugs, curtains), what else can I do to improve or mitigate the sound problems.
Thank you
Tnx John
My dedicated room is 20’.5” long by 16’.0” wide by 9’.11” tall. The math gives me 48.78hz, 62.5hz, 109.77hz respectively. If I understood you correctly these are the frequencies at which standing waves will occur. I did not understand your comment about these frequencies fitting between the walls. Would you elaborate? I really love your channel and your presentations, I am afraid I got lost on this one. Tks!
Can you teach me how raise up the sound stage? I like the singer sound a feet taller. Thanks
Wow, I'm speechless.
Shlomi Laloosh you took the words right out of my mouth, tremendous!
Very good!
Mr. Beekhuyzen, I really enjoy your videos! I have a 2' deep cabinet with open shelves at the front of my listening (media) room. When figuring the distance from the wall, do I count the cabinet or not?
If the cabinet is filled or has a closed front, you must. If it's only slightly filled, then not. It then might work as a nice diffuser (which is great).
I just wish I had more room, in my room :)
While reading about the acoustic treatment of "high-end" listening rooms, using absorption/diffusion panels, I've also learnt about purpose-built rooms, optimal room dimensions and "floating" walls and ceilings which can suppress "wall shudder" (and/or aid isolation). I've since been wondering if it's possible to infer any relationship between the extent to which it's desirable to get the room sounding right, and system performance and/or listening volume. Would this be more the preserve of the high-end user, or is it simply down to one's budget and appetite - ignoring marital status for the moment! - for improving a room, such that even a modest system can benefit?
A good solution for small rooms is to use high quality monitor speakers (so no towers) and use a subwoofer to add lows. Then follow my instructions for loudspeaker placement (czcams.com/video/gXohzklfwPs/video.html) and subwoofer placement and settings (czcams.com/video/-5pehTOZeV4/video.html).