A young bloke I was at work with had an interesting argument against EVs. To summerise, 'sooner or later the terrorists would figure out that EVs can catch fire and target an EV dealership. Much destruction. Much death.' As we drove past a filling station I pointed at it and said, "whats that?" Conversation changed topic after that without a reply.
Exactly, funny. But he is probably correct about hydrogen cars. You could park one somewhere, open a value to release the hydrogen into the boot and interior which could be fill of ball bearings and nails then detonate it. 5kg of hydrogen, about what is in a car, has about the energy of 2000 hand grenades. The explosion could be huge.. I imagine if compressed hydrogen cars eventually are produced in large numbers some will leak into peoples enclosed garages and mothers taking their children to school will press the electric garage door opener, the brushed door motors will spark igniting the hydrogen and they will be instantly turned into mince meat. The explosion will be so violent their house will disappear. After a few incidents like that compressed hydrogen will be finished. The compression is crazy, 10000psi, a car tire is only 30psi, then you also have the smallest atom that will push into any metal or manufacturing defect and slowly wedge it open until it escapes.
"has about the energy of 2000 hand grenades" This is a common mistake people make about gas safety. The reaction of a gas like hydrogen or methane needs oxygen. Hydrogen is only explosive if SUFFICIENTLY mixed with r. Otherwise, it's just a flame. Explosives are saturated with their own oxidizer. This is why fuel-air bombs have major proportions of substances like ammonium nitrate rather than just fuel, and also why LNG ships aren't anywhere near as potent as nuclear weapons. Any hydrogen explosion is going to be localised and due to pressure only. It would resemble a very vicious steam kettle or a straight flame. It's actually safer than gasoline and slightly less so than diesel due to the tradeoffs of energy content, flammability, lightness, pressure venting, density relative to air etc. Also, the reaction of such a gas venting would actually shoot upwards in a very straight flame, which is safer than the settling flames of gasoline or LPG. Propane actually represents the pinnacle of flammability danger, not hydrogen, methane, petrol or diesel, because it is stored in the awkward category of a pressurized liquid that is too close to ambient conditions for refrigeration and is prone to bursting tanks if heated and is heavier than air. Safety is not a straightforwards relationship from energy per weight or energy per volume.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 You sometimes hear about slow propane leaks that saturate several rooms taking down large buildings in countries with poor safety standards. You need that much oxygen. Fortunately, hydrogen gas disperses about 25 times faster than propane does. Unless it's in an enclosed area (which one generally shouldn't do with any flammable gas), hydrogen gas will disperse faster than it can burn.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 I disagree. Just look at the Norway refill station explosion for example, how violent was that? What about the explosion at a hydrogen and gas facility in Long View, North Carolina, that damaged 60 nearby homes. If you just look it in terms of stored energy: 5kg of hydrogen is about 165kWh and a hand grenade is about 0.070kWh, which gives the equivalence of 2357 times as much stored energy. When a hydrogen explosion happens do you think any of the hydrogen will stay just as hydrogen or all be converted to molecules with other elements. Hydrogen has a very broad flammability range-a 4 percent to 74 percent concentration in air and 4 percent to 94 percent in oxygen. You don't need much oxygen to get it started. "reaction of such a gas venting would actually shoot upwards", it is not about gas venting. I'm talking about leaking and mixing then igniting after all the gas has leaked out. This is especially possible in a garage. You just need to look at heating gas explosions that happen with homes to see how dangerous gas is. The UK has about 31 home gas explosions a year and that is with gas that has lower kWh (10kWh?) and it is at way lower pressure. Home gas is about 0.29 PSI, and EV tank can be around 10000PSI. Would be great to see a actual test to see who is closest to reality! Someone emptying a car tank of hydrogen into a garage then remotely opening the garage door.
Great video but the word missing was EFFICIENCY. Electric cars are much more efficient at turning energy into motion, in most cases 3 to 4 times more efficient than ICE equivalent. The ICE car manufacturers have successfully eliminated the EFFICIENCY word from the debate and slamming of electric cars. Why? because ICE scars are embarrassingly INEFFICIENT. Only about 25% of the petrol/diesel is used for motion the rest being lost in all sorts of ways. This is really interesting to me that even your show doesn’t mention this. It’s the best counter to someone in a Range Rover who is against EVs. Do they realise actually how inefficient and useless their engine is? It’s embarrassing
Most don't care because they prioritize space, comfort, and power so they're driving a big truck or 3 row SUV they don't actually need. Thankfully, we can buy whatever we want but... education is needed to drive change in those stuck in their ways.
It’s not so much the efficiency of the cars themselves but the efficiency of the power generation grid over IC engines. Regardless of the source (coal, natural gas, hydro, etc.) most power sources eliminate the reciprocating mass part of the process, making them more efficient. Don’t forget that EVs are basically coal-powered cars. Also the energy to produce them is quite a bit higher than regular cars, Particularly the environmental cost of making the batteries )not to mention the human rights costs too.)
@@MrBeugh thanks interesting. do you have data on the efficiency of power generation for electric distribution, versus power generation for gasoline/diesel = per KWH of energy for example. my data on extra cost of production is that its not that much higher and that after a few thousand KM its starts to be Carbon beneficial. Personally we power our electric cars from solar panels so it's not so complex to work out
I’d rather have my propulsion be powered at a scale power source than a small inefficient gas or diesel engine. It’s just hard to make the size efficient and scaling is one of the ways to make something more efficient
Today I had 'range relaxation'. When I first went EV 10 years ago I visited the 'Rapid' charger at Rownhams services nearly every time I drove that way, in my 90 mile LEAF Last week I drove my five year old LEAF2.0 on a 180 miles day trip to the seaside, as it had over 84000 miles on the clock I plugged it into the charger in the car park whilst I went for lunch , and went shopping. I got home with 'only' 40 miles range remaining. Today I drove the same journey in my other, newer, LEAF (with the larger battery) . I didn't bother to plug into the charger in the car park and drove home . I got home with 90 miles remaining range. My point, even in an old design such as the LEAF, battery range has improved greatly in just a few years. Now go look at the others. As an aside:- the first LEAF I owned is still on the road and in use.
I'd love to have been able to share your experience with a numpty who's trying to naysay me and just about everyone else in the Twitter conversation we've been having with him. No matter how patiently we explain reality of EV's, he still can't quite manage to grasp the reality of what EV's entail, including the recycling of the battery packs; and we've been REALLY patient. He's a true ultracreptarian!
Well done Barry Purkis. I share your enthusiasm for maximum range. My new Toyota Fortuner has a larger fuel tank than the previous model. A very handy 80 litres. I can travel a minimum 800km or more without anxiety. And that's with a smallish caravan in tow. Modern tech - ya can't beat it. As an aside - my 2006 Holden V8 Ute (6.0 lt, ls2 - gen 4) is still going strong. So that's a win win.
I think public charging needs to be totally rethought. Gas stations exist because you need a place to put the gas for people to fill up however electricity is everywhere there are people. There's no reason that you, even living in a flat, should be forced to go anywhere to "fill up." There should be level 2 charging all over the place, especially in dense areas like parking garages and housing complexes. That being said I agree with you completely. Public charging is not ready for mass adoption so I can't blame you for not making the jump. It's absolutely horrible in my area. Even tesla has only 3 superchargers in a 100 or so mile radius. Just like any new tech (or new to mass market at least), it will take time for prices to come down and for support to increase. We're still very early on after all with Tesla being the only real competitor until very recently.
@Steven M Audit your vehicle use for 6 weeks. On paper. Distance, destination, time at destination. Note nearby chargers. . Might seem a pain, but you'll be surprised by the "graze charging" opportunities.
@@rsawyer757 "No reason you have to be forced to go anywhere to fill up".... 🤔 But, the point of a "vehicle" is to "go somewhere"? . So, changing perspective, what you want is charging opportunity where you "go", for the period that you're there. It's more analogous to "metered parking" in a city. You 'go" there for business. You need to park. You need a "meter" (I know, old fashioned) to enable you to park. Actually, bringing that analogy up to date...... Let's say you drive to a city, you find a "bay" (low power charger replacing a "meter") You charge. Your parking fee is collected automatically as a surcharge. . Likewise, parking out of hours where you socialise. If you don't drive to socialise, you don't need the car.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Electricity is metered so in this context I'd say it's not really an old fashioned term, it actually fits. But yes, I'm saying you should generally be able to charge everywhere. Since electricity is ubiquitous and flows into every building, unlike gasoline, there's no reason that you should have to go to a specific charging station most of the time. Maybe we'll need DC fast charging stations strategically placed around highways like gas stations for travelers who need to travel quickly but slow chargers should be available pretty much everywhere you go. I would say that long term, regardless of where they live, most people should be able to do the vast majority of their charging at home. The point of the car is to go places but there's no reason that charging should be the reason to go somewhere most of the time when you have the resource it runs on pretty much everywhere you go.
Used 2018 leaf and used 2018 Model 3 long range. 75,000 miles driven. Wife would never go back! Charge at home, drive 4 miles for 6 pennies. No oil transmission radiator etcetcetc maintenance. Quiet, fast. Driven on 3,000 mile round trip. Save $1,800 per year on gas. Both vehicles have retained 99% of battery mileage. Daughter owns ID4 which she regularly drives from Pittsburgh to New Jersey and back. Son has Bolt, loves it. Others on a used Model Yof performance. Another daughter 2018 Leaf. Several friends have Model Y, one recently purchased MB EQS. Apparently many folks do not consider them to be rubbish?
It's not rubbish at all, but if you need an EV for long distances 270 -300 miles on 100 mph on highway, you have only a handful of them and they are way too expensive for families like ours! So, we don't have choice at the present!
@@yveslegh Are you on German Autobahn and even there it is often restrictions on speed before 270 miles distance and how far do you go to work. Very few drives 540 miles every day. I have moved before because of time and cost to drive to work
We as a company have just gone back to diesel minivans from ev's because as soon as we start using the autobahn the range drops significantly and as a company we cannot spend the time sat at chargers that is required. For a lot of people this would not be an issue but for higher milage drivers ev's are not the solution, at the moment.
I don't know what cars you've had but minivans has been pretty bad when it comes to range. But they are becoming better. VW id buzz is pretty good, check out the "VW ID Buzz 1000 km challenge" and I think you might change your mind about minivans on the autobhan.
I’m buying my first EV tomorrow, you finally tipped my scales after visiting the Fully Charged show at Harrogate. (UK) Thank you so much for what you’re doing. Clean air is a blessing we all deserve to extend to our children and grandchildren.
Welcome to the club. However you will discover that the charging infrastructure is atrocious. Until you have a home charger installed. There truly is a postcode lottery. North Wales. Mostly 7 kW. Cambridgeshire Buckinghamshire great. Also hope you have a CCS socket. I followed this channel’s advice and didn’t get chademo. There are more chademo stations than 22kW AC. Short stay parking offering 7kW… the only available type 2 chargers in most places. Where there are 22kW points they are very much sought after as they are half the price of CCS.
@@AlexM-Official I chose an i3s for a number of reasons. For me personally it was the most comfortable seating for driving. I also like the quirky look of them interior and exterior, the way they drive, grip the road and go! They’re quick especially in sport mode (ha). Range 150+ is adequate for my use.
@@chriswatt2702 Thanks for the response. I’m beginning to gain a sense of the issue from what you say. I’m due to have a Zappi installed at home as I’m intending 99% local use, but best be prepared from what you say as I’m expecting to do the occasional trip. There is a charger on a car park around the corner and another about 1/4 mile away that I need to investigate. CCS from what I can see. I don’t yet understand the CCS, chedemo and charging rates you mention. I know the car will accept a 50kW rate, 0-80% in around 40+ minutes from what I understand.
Another aspect of regenerative braking - is that friction brakes are used *much* less frequently - and this means far less brake pad particulates are produced over time.
Garages haven't come to terms with the reduction in servicing income from EVs. Eventually people are going to stop paying £150 to get their tyres checked and a new cabin air filter.
True, but when you do need to do them it won't be because you wore them out. It will because they have corroded beyond efficient use. It's happening now and I replace them at work because of the corrosion and seldom for their wear.
@@SHOdown13 Well, they only have to be used once a day or maybe every two days, to keep from rusting. And, with EVs they are now putting rear drum brakes in, which are aluminum, and not exposed to the moisture.
Gassing your car seems to take a lot of time because you MUST stand there. Whereas with EV charging you use the toilet, go for a walk, get a coffee and relax …. Not possible while standing in a gas station. My car is usually charged up and ready before I am.
If I can't park my car after the 3 minutes it takes to put gas in it, and then go and get a coffee I will just wear some Tena pants! Honestly, some people have better things to do than spend 30 unnecessary minutes having a coffee they didn't want waiting for their car to be ready to drive.
@@aacmove The total amount of time I’ve spent a charging station in the last year is eight minutes. In the previous year. It was 12 minutes. The BS you hear about charging times is just oil company propaganda.
@@colingenge9999I'm glad for you but then I don't imagine our situations are the same. Me. Flat, 4 floors , 10 minutes from public parking with only 6 EV spaces. You, probably house with home charging. Not the same. And, like the time I stopped at a service station and watched a man fart about with two chargers and different credit cards. And by the time I had gotten my sandwich, coffee and pee he still had not managed to start charging. I felt really sorry for him but also slightly amused. I also know a lot of people who would find the whole process difficult as they can't even tell the difference between ICE, mild hybrid, full hybrid, PHEV or BEV. Whilst there are many fuel providers the nozzle is the same, the payment method is the same. Sending a lone woman into a dark, hidden car park to charge is not particularly safe when that is the only option she may have, because she ended up in the wrong place with an almost empty battery. You'll never convince me that charging a EV car and filling up with fuel are comparable. I see the inconvenience and am not interested in it.
A friend posted this on F/B can you put a video out to debunk this information? Look forward to sending it to him.👍 This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car. To manufacture it you need: --12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water) -- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.) -- 3 tons nickel ore -- 12 tons of copper ore You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain: -- 26.5 pounds of Lithium -- 30 pounds of nickel -- 48.5 pounds of manganese -- 15 pounds of cobalt To manufacture the battery also requires: -- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic -- 112 pounds of graphite The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours. The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most. The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are: Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990) Model Y -- $5,000-$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740) Model S -- $13,000-$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990) Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990) It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made. And finally, my new friend, Michael, made some excellent points: I forgot to mention the amount of energy required to process the raw materials and the amount of energy used to haul these batteries to the U.S. sometimes back and forth a couple of times. But by all means, get an electric car. Just don't sell me on how awesome you are for the environment. Or for human rights.
I ditched my Porsche 997 for a KIA EV6 GT and haven’t looked back! I’m a true ‘petrol head’ with a classic Honda NSX and a BAC Mono for track use as well as the Porsche which is now kept for occasional recreational use. For daily duties though I won’t be driving a petrol car again, the EV is just better. Oh, and the argument about range and needing to make unexpected journeys? I’m an NHS surgeon and sometimes have to rush to the hospital in the middle of the night for emergencies. The EV is better, it’s always charged, and being silent it doesn’t wake my family up! Keep up with the myth busting!
Absolutely! We just bought a 2 year old Renault Zoe with a huge 52 Kw/h battery. We love it. We are charging it up directly from the solar panels on our roof and it is sooo nice to be driving around in it with your own energy. The driving experience is amazing, nippy, quiet and fun. Ours has a 110hp motor which isn't particularly fast for EV's but I had absolutely no trouble keeping up with a Porsche Boxster the other day as he tried to leave me behind driving uphill to our village in the Schwarzwald. Definitely no turning back! 👍 James
@@Robert-cu9bm I was in a 2019 Telsa SR+ RWD and left a Bentley Continental GT for dead. I could hear his engine howling behind my left ear. The launch on an EV is like nothing you have experienced in any ICE, even the nippy Zoe.
@@GadgetMart Well it wasn't quite as simple as that, we were on a big roundabout set of lights and I was on the right going right and Bentley boy was on the left - but going right. He knew it and I knew it. So the second the amber light appeared he was off like a scalded cat. But he eventually tucked in behind me. Or drove over the bollard, one or the other. Not sue what you mean about cheap, not sure there are many other more expensive cars knocking about where I am.
Well said...we have been EV owners now for 9+ months. A Kona EV, we have just rolled over to 41,500 KM. We are high mileage drivers with all our vehicles. We are lucky enough to charge at home at very low rates overnight. We have 0 range anxiety from the very beginning, absolutely love our EV! Just came back from a weekend trip visiting family 500 KM away, had 1 charge stop on the way (which took 30 minutes - barely enough time to run and eat our dinner) and on our return found that Electrify Canada gave us a complimentary charge! Once at our destination we plugged the car in at my brother in laws with our level 1 charger. Return trip was one quick 20 minute charge (at Electrify Canada - cost us $5.28) which provided more than enough range to get home - about 120 KM to spare. Total cost of that trip was about $15 in energy cost. Our Toyota Rav4 would have taken about $150 out of our pocket! I agree that EV's may not work for some but we will never go back to an ICE vehicle being our primary driver! Mike 🇨🇦
My favourite bit of bollocks someone told me about EVs: "You cant take them to a normal body shop to be repaired, because the heat lamps they use to cure the paint will over heat the battery, so they have to go to special body shops where they remove the battery first before painting" And this guy really truly believed that.
@@theelectricmonk3909Thanks for your comment electric monk. Trolling is a new word to me, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. I found this definition - Trolling is when someone posts or comments online to deliberately upset others. FYI I did not deliberately set out to upset you, or anyone else. I understand that humor is subjective: but on reflection do you think you might be overreacting somewhat? I would add that your post is somewhat insulting towards me. Did you perhaps deliberately set out to upset me? Please be assured I am not upset - merely amused, so rest easy. In any event please accept my sincere apologies for any distress I may have unwittingly caused. What a world we now live in!
Got my first EV last month, a Tesla Model Y with the long-range battery and the tow package. Three times I've driven between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins -- a 140 mile trip (each way) by the most direct route. Twice towing a trailer and once without. My trailer is a 6 x 12 foot enclosed box that's over 7 feet high. It's like dragging a sea anchor. The first trip with the trailer I set cruse control to 65 mph and had to stop for 20 minutes at a supercharger north of Denver. And on the way back back I had to stop at a supercharger on the south edge of Denver. The Model Y had tons of pulling power, but wind-drag really eats up the battery. The second trip with the trailer I set cruse control to 60 mph and it made a huge difference, as I made it the full distance with 35 miles of range left. We'll see how it goes on the way home. Still wouldn't go back to the Subaru Outback. Gonna keep my Tesla.
There are various subscriptions and RFID cards from the likes of Octopus energy that reduce costs. You don't have to pay 79p or more. We have no driveway and bought a used ev with great range and a small battery so even if we paid the highest tariff we'd still pay two thirds less than our 1.2 litre petrol car cost.
You don't need a driveway to charge and not having a driveway doesn't mean you have to use public chargers. You can apply for permission to run a cable from your house to the car, for example.
Surprisingly, nobody has advocated petrol/diesel supply to your house. Water, electricity and sewage connections...but not fuel. So you have to take you ICE car to a petrol station. Where I live in border country, the nearest petrol station is 9 miles away. The nearest public charger is 4 miles away....and (of course) I'm mostly charging at home. Long journeys are a pain. Having to stop and relax for 20 minutes, visit the facilities, grab a coffee is really awful. When I had an ICE car Id be zooming along to the next services to get a petrol fill up - stand by your pump, 5 minutes filling and woosh on your way. Arrive feeling tired, stressed and exhausted. Everybody loves that. Dont they? AND, theres always that range anxiety. Will your ICE car make it to the next petrol station assuming you can find one and its open and you have finance arrangements in place to pay for it. My little EV plots the route, tells me where the stops are, how long I need to charge for, how to find the charging station and gives me a reasonable estimate of how much charge I'll have left when I reach the next stop. Wheres the fun in that? You know, the excitement when the needle is on the wrong side of the red bit ...and as my dad would say "theres nothing on the clock but the makers name". Real exciting driving. The ICE is melting.
Teslas are selling NEW for around $30,000 - with IRA discounts included - NOW. NO gasoline EVER. No Oil Changes EVER. No Check Engine Light EVER. No CAT Converters or Oxygen Sensors EVER. No coolant flushes EVER. No Coil Packs or spark plugs EVER. No Timing Belts EVER. Just $10.00 and 20 minutes charging every 300 miles of driving (.04¢ a mile). Over FIFTY THOUSAND chargers with 99% always working - World wide. And in many states CHEAPER Tesla car insurance. Tesla's are too expensive...
Don't forget Toyota in that list too... They are being sued in Australia and a number of other countries for greenwashing, emission coverups, and spreading propaganda in Japan telling their population on Hybrid is best for the environment.
@@ward7588 Not sure what the commenter's political leanings have to do with the truth of the statement. But, since you want to go there.... Republican politicians are largely in the pockets of their contributors - big oil, big pharma, big insurance. Accordingly, they whip up their generally uninformed (beyond Faux News or News Smacks) base to prevent any progress on alternate energy, electric vehicles, drug prices or universal (meaning affordable to poor people) health care in the U.S.A. So, if being on the other side of this argument, means you're going to call me names, count me in! What's your excuse? Not name-calling, just asking if you have any fascist or conservative ideas for addressing the problems of our society. Take your time, but give me solid data from a non-political source.... if you know of one.
The biggest, real argument against EVs is that mass production of ANY type of car is bad, even if you factor in the carbon "offset". If we all had EVs, comparing what we would have polluted will no longer be a valid offset. Massive funding into building and converting public transport infrastructure will always be the best option. Trams and Trains ideally, as they dont require batteries and can run directly from the grid. Making areas more walkable and cyclable is even better. The Netherlands are leading the way on all fronts. But if you are deadset on the idea that you NEED a car, EV is clearly superior to petrol, for the reason outlined here.
He's spot on with his arguments I like it I've had my EV now for just over a year and I've never used a supercharger as I've never needed to even go to the seaside it cost me seven pounds as the holiday house we rented had a free charger so all it cost me was to get there can you go on holiday in your ice car drive every day exploring about 160 miles a day and only spend 7 pounds and even driving 179 miles to holiday for 7 quid it was a very hot day in the late 90s so econ was on max music on full blast and seat massager on full and I still had 69 miles of range left over when I got there. so as a retired Car mechanic and electrician and technician on fuel and ignition systems I saw the writing on the wall years ago as they never progressed they have gotten as far as they can go with fossil fuels so they cheat the emissions by using electric motors to assist the engine hybrids which to me make no sense at all.
Well needed video, I'm constantly refuting things the petrol heads say in work. They came to me about hydrogen the other day and Im trying super hard to be like no, no, no it's not the awnser, not for domestic use anyway. And I'll say that here too, hydrogen is stupid, it's inefficient to produce and mining it is just stupid, it's just a way for the oil industry to keep us all in their pockets. Electricity can be made and stored easily in the home and that's why it's so disruptive.
After 3 years with an iPace I knew I would never go back to ICE cars. Now I’ve had my Polestar PS2 for 15 months and it just works so well. I live in Norway, so cold and ice for 4-5 months of the year, and range deteriorates from a bit over 400km to about 330km, with heated seats, air on on around 21-22 degrees etc. 4WD, 476hp, 1600kg towing capacity… Nope, never going backwards to internal combustion ever again 🇳🇴 OK, I’ll admit to owning and driving a Triumph Bonneville in the summer, but hey, no one’s perfect 😂
Depends on what country you live but in Sweden we got more used evs and prices has gone down. MG sells alot in Uk and used prices im sure are lower there. Sweden a Mg Zs Ev 2020-2021 are 220-240 000Sek. Hyundai ioniq 2017 are from 160 000 Sek. Nissan Leaf 40 Kwh from 180 000 Sek. Vw ID 3 from 295 000 Sek. But i havent even seen Nissan Leaf 24 Kwh really cheap in Sweden like Norway have. Thats why im sure this cars goes on import alot
@@Gay-is-_-trashyes, our leaf caught fire at least 10 times in last year's 40C (105F) heat. Our Niro will do the same this year 😂😂😅🤣 Nope, we simply charge them up from solar, no oil slicks or oil tanker fires involved.
We went camping recently. We don't use electeic hookup for our tent as we do not use mains devices when camping. I arranged to use a hookup on our last night to charge our ID.3 as I have a charge lead with the appropriate plug fitted. At breakfast on our last day the car reached 100% charge and we left 2 hours later with 270 miles of range and a 48 mile journey. The site asked me to simply pay for the electricity at their rate which was 30 pence per kWh. Bargain really. I shall be doing this at sites with electric hookup pitches in future. Makes life so much easier and no queueing for and paying for expensive dinosaur juice. 👍
Well said Dan , I had this today with a group of people, one lady said there's no infrastructure yet and said her friends have all had problems with their EVs and charging , She said one of her friends ran out in Cornwall and had to get a lift to their destination. Yes Cornwall isn't very good but i went there 4 years ago and i pland my route and had no . problems . i wanted to tell her that they were either lying or or just stupid. there was lots more FUD too much to go into but i gave the right answers
That's funny, I see more and more EVs in Newquay, Cornwall. And I've never seen a broken down EV... Ahhh, maybe her friends all buy inferior EVs, in which case...well, the answer is obvious...ditch the Wulong / Milk Cart for a better EV ! ( Yes, a blatant PLUG for proper EVs...)
@@chrisheath2637 I did meet a couple at Tesco four years ago going on holiday from Bath to the west country with a Ford Mustang tying to charge on 7kw pod point , they only had it less than a week .
Many people are spending more money on the more expensive EVs for the range but in reality they don't even need the range and could get away with charging a few times a month, in the meantime it means they have paid a premium that isn't necessary. Over time with more accessable public charging, EVs with a smaller range will become a better more affordable choice and the mindset will change. Right now there are some decent bargains on used EVs as many lease cars are up for sale and is likely flooding the market, until the buyers catch up you might get a few bargains!
I have had a BEV for just over a year; 11,150 miles, 2,914kWh into the car = 3.83 miles per kWh. And to support the video assertion... 58.8% from solar panels, 9.6% at home from overnight cheap rate grid electricity, 10.1% from free local destination chargers, 7.8% using the granny lead at family destinations and only 13.7% rapid, on the road charging (just 20 en route charges in a year!) The BEV experience was so good our 2nd car is also a BEV! But above all, 1 litre of petrol contains approx 9 kWh of energy and will power an ICE for about 9 miles (41mpg) that is approx 1 mile per kWh not the 3.85 the EV has done (all year average). Energy efficiency has to be another plus point for EV's.
I ran my first electric car for 10K miles without a home charger. It can be done even if it's not convenient and it's worth it for the huge cost savings. In fact I never paid a penny for those 10K miles as I used a free public charger at Co-Op. My current Kona Electric has managed a best of 314 miles on a charge - nobody can drive that long without toilet breaks etc and now I charge at home, I keep mine topped up on cheap electricity thanks to Octopus Energy.
Don't know why people always say that. The point is they are not forced into stopping to hunt down chargers. They stop when they want where they want and for how long they want
I don't stop when my car wants anymore, i stop because my body tells me I'm hungry or need the bathroom, then I'll plug it in wasting 20 seconds, not the 5-10mins to fill and pay for petrol. (no-one had lunch whilst also filling their petrol tank up)
@@terryjimfletcher couple week ago drove to John O Groats from Yorkshire. Over 500 miles with zero stops for fuel. Plenty stops to actually appreciate the beautiful surroundings. Not a charger or service station in sight with zero stress or planning 😊
@@stevebeever2442 I don't understand this comment, gloating and self congratutory, almost all EV drivers have owned an ICE vehicle a high proportion probably still do, they are well aware and way more informed of the advantages and disadvantages of living with an EV than someone who has only owned an ICE vehicle. I get far more satisfaction generating my own power off my solar array and charging my EVs than I would from not stopping on a 500 mile journey, that I would do at best, once a year.
The price of all cars has gone mental. My 2012 Suzuki cost around £13,500 new. The 2023 model costs £23,500 new. Cars are becoming completely unaffordable.
Meanwhile, Tesla reduced some models by (more than?) 20% last month (Because they said they would when material costs reduced and/ or economy of scale improved)
@@rogerstarkey5390Which is nice for those in the market for a Tesla, but even the cheapest is still well above the median UK annual wage and used ones are holding their value annoyingly well.
@@drunkenhobo5039 You won't see a significant reduction in 2nd hand EV prices for a few years yet; they're mostly too new still. After 2030, there should be some bargains about - although early Leafs will probably be one to avoid by then.
You mentioned that almost all EV's now get over 200 miles now and most get over 250. However, you left out that there are now dozens of EV models that go over 300 miles. A few over 400, and one, the Lucid, gets over 500 miles. With over a trillion dollars being invested in them and battery research (with recent breakthroughs), very soon those will be common. And the electric grid will barely be needed in just a few years as companies cover large parking lots (think Walmart lots size) with solar and batteries. A few have been built out already and many are under plans. Tesla is building a massive one on Arizona, USA and have added battery megapacks to several charging sites in California.
Having an MYP I get it constantly as does every other EV owner. No infrastructure. My reply, all houses and businesses have electricity but no gas stations have pipelines. My car is always ready to go at home, no hassles. Car is quiet but even better, brutally quick and fast. It is hard on tires due to acceleration and cornering I do, others results may vary. I did come from a track prepped BMW M3 SMG so I do have a vague idea of performance expectations. I rarely need to travel over 250-300 miles in a hurry but can go 200 at 100+ And best of all, last year cost 2843.00 us dollars to travel 22600 miles at blistering speeds including 1 set of Pirellis ;-) No other maintenance needed. A bargain deal.
The Mercedes EQXX can do 1000 Km on a single charge and 1200 Km if driven more carefully. This on a 100 KwHr battery. This shows us the future. If you step into an electric car in the morning that has 1000 Km of range then you won't ever need to stop to charge through the day as you can't drive that far. You don't even care if there are any public chargers anymore and if they work and you don't even look for them. Charging would take place slowly at night when you sleep at your home or destination making use of all that electrical generating capacity that is under used while all the nations cooker's, kettles and TV's are off as people sleep. (There is a reason why night time electricity is much cheaper). A 1000 Km battery solves many problems and therefore removes many of the anti EV lobby "attack" points such as not enough public chargers, queue's at public chargers, public chargers that don't work, waiting to charge during your journey and where will all the electricity to charge electric cars come from?
I am in the next few minutes about to make the last journey in my Diesel car to the garage to pick up my first EV! I’m nervous, but excited after 43 years of driving, but I’m looking forward to completing our home full electric project with an EV. Thank you for your great Chanel.
My retirement job was as a valet parking driver at Gatwick Airport. So I have driven thousands of cars, When I drove my first EV, a Renault Zoe, I was blown away by how good such a little car could be. So I bought an EV. Very cheap to run a a big bonus.
@@ianhamilton3113 I like the idea that it can be charged free from solar and nothing has to be ignited to make it work. I think it’s a very good step forwards. I really enjoyed my day yesterday. Drove all over the place and still had 2/3rds charge remaining last night, they’re so quiet too. Picking my wife and daughter up today, and what a surprise my daughter is going to have when I turn up in an EV!
2 years ago, I was in the market to replace my old Toyota Camry. I looked at ICE, hybrid, and EV as replacement. ICE got crossed off right away. Climate, fossil fuel imports, and ever increasing maintenance costs. Nope. Hybrids seemed ideal. Higher MPG, fewer pollutants, availability of gasoline for long road trips, pure battery power for daily driving. What’s not to love? Well… how about the overly complicated engineering of the three systems needed: an ICE, an electrical powertrain system, and then yet another system to manage and interweave those two very different drive system. Uh, no thanks! So that left BEV. I ended up getting a Tesla Model 3SR+ at exactly the average price of a new car in the US at the time. Two years and 32,000 miles later, I am extremely happy and satisfied with my decision. Safe travels to all!
See...the thing people tend to gloss over here, is that if that had been MY car then, after two years my mileage would have been around eight thousand, or possibly a bit less! This makes an EV a very expensive option! And the argument about buying a car at the 'average price' is fatuous nonsense ... This is price which is unaffordable for VAST numbers of people AND is a lot more than people WANT to spend - even if they can afford it ... ! Time for a dose of financial reality .....!
@@andymccabe6712 Yow! Lots of assumptions on your part, friend. I’m retired, living on a fixed income. The average price for a new car is not a fatuous or fictional figure. It’s offered only as a reference point. And my information is is mine. I’m not claiming it’s applicable to everyone (or anyone). It’s anecdotal, offered for consideration. So you know calm down. It’ll be ok.
The weight issue is ridiculous. BMW produced a sub 3000lb EV for nearly 10 years while consumers insist on 300 mile range that they virtually never use.
You'd be surprised how close the most efficient EV brand (cough) is in terms of weight to their nearest equivalent ICE counterparts (compared within the same segment, not the smallest ICE supermini)
Will you guys make fun of me if I tell you I have been using my battery-powered riding mower for four years and I wish I converted earlier? I don't have an EV yet.
If only it was as simple as people who like electric cars can buy them and those that don't can buy something else. If electric cars really were better there would be no need to compel anyone which is what will happen. Similar to saying North Korea is a great place but people only want to go in one direction.
@@alanrobertson9790 Electric cars are far superior, we need to work towards a net zero carbon future as the burning fossil fuels will result in an existential threat to mankind or maybe you had missed that gem?
@@hughgriffiths6918 Why do you say existential threat? Not something from the IPCC report which is available on the net in full. So lets type in "estimates of economic damage due to global warming" and see what we get. 1) World Economic forum seems a good unbiased site. Swiss report lays out the expected impact on global GDP by 2050 under four different scenarios compared to a world without climate change. These are: 4% if Paris Agreement targets are met (a well-below 2°C increase) 11% if further mitigating actions are taken (2°C increase) 14% if some mitigating actions are taken (2.6°C increase) 18% if no mitigating actions are taken (3.2°C increase). Sounds bad right? So lets get some historical perspective ourworldindata and economic-growth. Since 1960 to 2020 GDP has risen World 624%, UK 260%, USA 458%. 2) World 2021 GDP is $95 trillion. Ref International Monetary Fund World Economic Outlook (October - 2021). 3) According to a report by McKinsey (& reported too by BBC), the annual cost of getting to net zero - when carbon dioxide emissions are completely reduced or offset - will be $9.2tn (£6.8tn) [Approx 9.7% World GDP). That is the equivalent of half of all corporate profits in 2020. It is the equivalent of one quarter of all tax revenue, or 7% of household spending. So what we can learn from this is A) Its more expensive to do nothing than something B) in either event world GDP likely to increase.
@@hughgriffiths6918 PS If electric cars really were superior then people would adopt them without needing to be persuaded. Just like canals, railways and then roads became principal transport modes because they were superior. What you are really saying is that electric cars are not superior but we will make everyone drive them because you think there is an existential threat to mankind. Not something for which you will find a credible reference.
Another issue with ICE vehicles is the heat given up to the atmosphere. Every modem ICE powered vehicles is fitted with a catalyst which only works when at high temperature. This temperature is lost to the atmosphere when the car is parked. Not much of an issue for one car but a big problem when millions are giving up 600C after every journey.
Electric cars are still too expensive for me but the rate of change is so good that I don't think I'll be able to say that in a few years time when the ones that are new now become 2nd hand.
You have to count the savings in petrol and maintenance. For my own case, I can't afford anything but older second hand ICE cars. Good EVs of similar age and mileage don't exist. Insurance is cheaper for old cars, since there's no loan, and no need for collision insurance. I drive as little as I can, to save money. Someday I'll be able to trade for a high mileage EV, 200k miles or so, Model 3 or similar. I look forward to that day.
Same. Our family is in need of a second car. I'd love it to be an EV, but they're not affordable right now. Even second hand, for a comparable petrol car.
Real life running costs: My LEAF is costing 5.2p per mile in Fuel. My wife has a peteol Qashqai and thats 16.5p per mile for fuel. This means that the ownership cost per month for both cars is about the same, except I am not putting out any pollution and my fuel is coming from renewable sources.
In reality, and using an EV outside of the media negativity. I know of someone who is distraught with her Kia Nero EV, she commutes into London from west Dorset two or three times a week. She has a basic charger box set up at her home. In winter she has been in tears and frozen because she doesn't want to turn the heating on as it'll reduce her range and might not make it to Winchester to charge. She doesn't always get a charger at her carpark on London because they are usually being used or mostly broken down. She has to move her car at lunchtime to get a charge but 9 times out of 10 the charger is out of order or being used. Quite simply it's a constant worry and hassle. She is not planning on getting another EV after this as one with a bigger battery is 10-15K more expensive and just isn't in her price range. Unless they properly invest in RELIABLE charger infrastructure and have more locations it's only going to get worse. This is reality unfortunately. Government, companies and businesses need to make the push properly and provide infrastructure or it will just cause people to go back to fossil power. I get in some areas it works well for people but in the south of the UK it sucks
Another excellent video from Fully Charged. I don't think enough is made of just how cheaply you can run an EV. I have a Polestar 2, Ohme Pro home charger and the Intelligent Octopus tariff. I just looked at my bill for May and paid £25 for 352kWh. I regularly hit 3 miles per kWh so that is over 1,000 miles for £25. All this from the most practical and and best looking car I've ever owned, after years of VWs and Audis.
I have owned an EV for over a year now and my biggest complaint is the route charging prices. There are plenty of chargers but the prices to use them is insane. So if you live in a place where you can`t home charge i would not recommend getting an EV at the moment. It is cheaper and far more conveniant to drive an ICE car for those people. However i can charge my car where i live and i can even do so for free so for me the extra price of the car actually saves me money every month since i do not have to pay for fuel anymore unless i go on longer trips. So for me it made sense to go electric. But every usecase is different and you need to look at your own situation before you buy an EV.
I've been considering getting an EV for a while now because it suits my lifestyle. I don't do many long trips a year, I can charge at work, install a charger at home and have solar panels. Like you say, not everyone will have the ability to get a nearby, cheap slow charger. Need a lot more residential, apartment chargers popping up.
Biggest benefit... I have solar panels in my roof, so I'm producing my own transportation energy. I don't have to rely on big oil companies playing around with the cost and making excuses to rip me off. Biggest downfall... Tires. My ID4 is RWD so those tires wear very quickly. My next EV will be AWD to distribute that wear
@@captricharddee3634 I didn't feel comfortable installing them myself, so i paid $20k. I'm saving $200/mo on energy and $400/mo on transportation (my city waives parking fees for EV), so my payoff was 3yrs. Edit: home energy, gas+electric went from a 12mo average of $350/mo to $150/mo. I average 15k miles per year, parking is $10 per work day. Tires are roughly the same as my manual transmission BMW, oil change savings are offset by a $200/yr EV tax.
@@kevindavis8143 a great investment for those that can afford it and it sounds like it really made sense for you but most people don't have $20k spare to spend on solar panels, either because they waste their disposable income on clothes, holidays, eating out etc or because they just don't have that much disposable income.
@@Hali88 you are correct for the moment, but there are community solar programs popping up to help those that do not live in a single family home. Charging is rough if you don't have a garage, but cities are starting to install street light outlets. New EV are expensive, but so are all new cars. Let's look at a used BMW i3 vs a Chevy Malibu... The BMW costs $3-5k more to buy, but you don't need to spend $1000 on the 100k service and Uncle Sam will knock off $4k if the BMW is a 1 owner car. Factor in the fuel savings, it is cheaper to purchase and to own.
Well said Dan, the naysayers and luddites may gnash their teeth and wring their hands, but when the public cotton on to actual fuel costs of less than 4p a mile coupled with cheaper sub £20k cars, then full EV adoption becomes a no-lose proposition.
An Electric car is an oil well on wheels. An EV uses 3 times more petrochemicals to manufacture it than an ICE car. On top of this is the huge amount of fossil fuel used to extract the minerals for the battery. It is a proven fact that electric cars produce more tyre dust because of their weight than ICE cars. Tyre dust is more dangerous than tailpipe exhaust. If all ICE cars are banned from the city centers as they say they may be, and only EVs are allowed in then they are replacing something that is even worse than tail-pipe emissions.
Biggest problem is people buying brand new cars full stop. anyone buying a second hand ICE or EV should be commended because both are pretty much the automotive equivalent of rescue puppies, simple as that. Stop wasting money to choose your car colour, chances are there is a second hand vehicle with the same spec you want anyway. They all waste resources one way or another when new. (EVs aren't that bad compared to ICE either depending on how you look at the natural resource use over time) We need Nuke power stations to be a thing again too. EVs are for people who can see more than five minutes into the future or at least beyond their nose, they cost more to produce but ultimately use less over their lifetime, which in one case that I am watching just now is an 800K mile Tesla (there are ones with half the milage higher again), how many ICE cars have done that mileage BTW? Speaking as an X quarter of a million mile ICE BMW owner?
I'm at the point with EV shopping where I'm heavily considering just giving up on the idea of getting something that will work for long-distance trips, and sticking with a 'getting around town' vehicle. I can rent if I need to go farther. All the shiny, new options out there distract from the potential of a more sensible used buy - which for ICE vehicles is not a new concept but I think for EVs it's not usually considered. But for the environmentally conscious (or wallet conscious), it seems undeniably the better choice. If I'm doing any road tripping, I want something comfy, I need adaptive cruise (I had it for a few years, now I can't live without it), and if it's an EV it suddenly needs long range and good charge speed, too. The entry price for that is high no matter where you look. But if I just need a car to do the basics, to get around town and be a minimal nuisance on my life, a cheap mid-2010's EV seems like a good choice. Even a 'terrible' 50 mile range would easily get any daily necessities done. And some of those are shockingly cheap. People want a car that can do everything. As someone still driving an old ICE, I want that too. But do I really need it? Do I need to spend so much more on the ability to drive long distances which I've historically only done once or twice a year? I mean, under $10k and you get something that you never have to gas up, rarely needs any kind of maintenance (so long, Jiffy Lube), is fun to drive, and you get all the benefits of cheap insurance. Then you can spend the money you're saving on something nice to rent whenever you need to take a trip. Maybe rental EVs are becoming more of a thing, so I can live out the dream of cruising in an Ioniq 5 without having to commit more than a years' salary to living with it daily. Seems like most of the time people talk about EVs, the sales pitch is always the new stuff, but I figure there's a valid space for something a lot more affordable. The Chevy Spark EV is really speaking to me, especially in the green color. But I live in an EV desert right now, so getting my hands on anything like what I'm thinking of is a tall order currently.
I think used Zoe ZE40 would tick all your boxes. I went used ZE50 for the slightly longer range and 50kw charging, and have gone South Coast to mid Scotland a few times with ease.
I hope you go for it. We have had a 'new' Nissan Leaf for 5 years, retaining my old Audi A6 for long-distance. Now we are 'busy retired', we are about to go for one,longer-range EV, and rent a car for the 1 or 2 big road trips we do a year. Free up garage space. Surprising to some, given dogs and grandchildren to cart around, we are v close to ordering Nissan Ariya Evolve long-range. We reckpong 290miles real-world. Test drive it if you can; rather more comfortable than Tesla Y.
Good for you, I think you've made the mental shift that many fail to do. An EV for your usual driving, and rentals (EV or ICE) for the occaisonal longer trip can work for many people. If more did that, it might make rental of long range EV's cheaper. Ideally, I wouldn't own a car at all and could use shared 'transport as a service' EV's for all my trips - that doesn't exist in my location (New Zealand) yet, but is in a couple of our larger cities.
Ah, so regenerative breaking negates particulate emissions? Regardless of the method of slowing down, something has to stop those wheels turning an inertia driven machine, generating, you've guessed it, particulates, heavier, means more. Nothing is for free, it's physics, something has to wear away somewhere.
"GOOGLE" for the win. But, here's a start. 1) Graeme Cooper, National Grid head of future projects (or similar"..... "Expert"..... Interviews with Robert on this channel) . 2) Redwood Materials. Recycling. . 3) Tesla Impact Report. (Latest, April 2023) Debunks "relative Carbon footprint" with actual "data". . Etc
There are way to many people who belong to the "don't bother me with the facts, because I've made my mind up" crowd. Nothing you say or do, including posting links to sites which verify what you say, will change a thing.....
CAGW is a fraud. It is a globalist tactic to fool people into accepting this unreliable, expensive technology. CAGW is about transferring wealth and power to the globalist ruling class, of course the average credulous type will lap it up.
I insured my EV for any driver, so that any of my friends can take it out for a spin and see if they are converted. It's a 2016 30kW Leaf Tekna that I've had since 2018. Many friends asked me how it was going over the years, how I charge it, range, costs, etc, and now many of those friends have switched to EV's. I doubt I'll ever change it in for something else, as it fits my needs perfectly.
Funny thing is that the Sodium - ion batteries will massively decrease the carbon footprint of new vehecles. Same goes with new el engines without rare materieals. And just one more thing Polestars are aiming for carbon neutrality for their vehicles not just from their manufacturing, but from their suppliers as well. Eat this Petrol lobby!
Ive owned an EV for 3 years now, love it. First time I heard these arguments IRL was yesterday out and about - it is surprising that these myths persist, "not able to tow" "low range" and "batteries are just as dirty" being the main ones...hats off to the fossil fuel company marketing and lobbyist campaigns. We need the opposite campaigns like this video but on an equal scale to the incumbents...
You can type, you just lose 2/3rds of usable range. If you are not buying a premium EV they do have low range, look at the leaf or Mazda MX. And batteries are dirty and carbon intensive. So they're not myths
@@Robert-cu9bm Batteries are reusable. Even after they have seen a life in and EV they can be used elsewhere. You can only burn hydrocarbons once and they produce harmful products as a result. Just because a battery is carbon intensive does not mean the existing alternative is better. The range bit I can understand as refuelling a combustion car is easy and fast. For most journeys an EV is fine especially if you can charge at home so never needing to go to a station to "fill up".
I am looking forward to more and better statistics about the reliability of electric cars compared to ICE. I am pretty sure that a motor with 1 moving part is going to live much, much longer than one with 1000.
Remember it's not just the number of parts, but the environment in which they operate. High temp, mechanical stress and corrosive fluids cause accelerated wear. Not so in an EV drivetrain.
I know of a motor from 1827 that still works today, its in Budapest in the museum. Out tramways and electric post mobiles in Vienna had motors which were from the end of the 19th century and lasted till the 2000s. Modern electric motors in EVs will not last as long, their electronics will last no more than 20-25 years max.
The battery though has a finite time when it either stops working, the range is extremely low or it catches fire. To replace a battery on a, say ten year old car is not something I would even contemplate due to replacement cost, even if it only had one moving part, which it doesn't.
Well done on trying to counter the misinformation being spread by those who just repeat garbage from those with political and/or vested interests in fossil fuels. EV ecosystem is far from perfect but its become main stream very quickly. Battery life will soon exceed life of the vehicle and range will also match ICE.
Hertz car hire in the US has just dumped 20,000 Teslas citing high repair costs and poor resale values, watching this after two London electric buses have burnt to the ground in two days! And I live in a block of flats with about 30 cars outside, electrical charging is too expensive at public charging stations, most of which are not under cover, you can go and buy a McDonalds and a coffee whilst you are being ripped off!
Hertz dropped 20,000 EV's, 600 of which were Teslas that were being retired because of high mileage. The rest of the EV's were crappy Chevy Bolts, Nissan Leaf's and similar with poor reliability.
I'll tackle the Hertz argument here. Context matters a lot. Hertz bought a lot of Teslas but did not have a master service agreement with them. What were they using these cars for? Renting out to your average consumer? No. They used it as part of a deal with Uber for ride sharing. These vehicles as a result had significantly more wear than your average rental vehicle which is already more than your average consumer vehicle. Worse is that these Uber drivers largely don't know how to use and maintain EVs. These cars are also closer to the luxury line, meaning of course they're going to be more expensive to repair than say a Toyota or Honda with fewer places available to make specific repairs. There are unique reasons why EVs make a lot of sense for Uber and other ride share drivers, but this is not a normal situation and such Hertz should have planned better around this. - Master Service Agreement in place with Tesla - Specific charging rules around their rentals - Specific charging areas; these cars were not meant to be supercharged multiple times a day. As for your other points: Ask yourself why bus fires might be more common than car fires. Could it be a problem with a specific manufacturer? And the one thing I will concede is that I tell most people if you don't have access to home charging, hold off on buying an EV right now. Public charging at the moment, at least in my estimation, is about convenience and shouldn't be relied on as a primary source of charging. Once this is more charging supply, maybe I'll move off that point, but as of today, I think that is pretty much the case.
@@TopGunZerospot on. Also hertz did also confirm that their Tesla fleet was being damaged at disproportionately high rates. Likely due to false confidence in the safety features. When ABS was first introduced to taxis in newyork on a trial, rear ending accidents actually increased. That’s because the drivers were told they had a shorter stopping distance. And the result was that they drove closer to the car infront, far to confident in the ABS’s effectiveness, and unaware of how reaction times affect your ability to stop. Abs might be able to stop a car in less than 20 meters but it takes another 20 meters for your brain to register, respond, then move your foot and apply the brake. So part of the problem here was also the Uber drivers themselves.
As an EV owner for the past 4 years, it's not all perfect. One of the biggest gripes? Just one gallon of gas produces the exact same amount of power as 10 gallons of gas. So whether you have a full tank or empty tank, your car will always perform the same. Contrast this to any EV, where you're getting a lower power output as the state of charge decreases. If you like driving your EV on track for instance, your day is essentially over when the car's SOC reaches just 50% as the pack voltage is nowhere near as high as it was at 90%.
Great video my 9 year old Zoe is still pootling about town quite happily. I'm lucky to be able to charge at home (for free when the sun shines) but would struggle with the lack of local public charging. We really need governments to sort things out with the infrastructure.
Definitely agree about public charging. There is so much emphasis on fast/ultra fast charging, but if local authorities provided "at cost" or "nearly cost" roadside slow charging, the stress on fast chargers could be reduced to near zero. I recognise that there is a very small percentage of people who really do need to travel more than 400km in a day, but because there isn't much in the way of slow charging anywhere, those that don't have access to home charging then do have to fast charge, which is utter madness.
@@justaguy6216 I thought he was talking about the child that mined his cobalt and lithium and was quite surprised they were still alive at 9 years old to be honest!
This is something that helps clear out my doubts. The the few concerns I have is apart from not having charging available at home, throughout the whole city, I saw only 1 rapid harging station and everywhere else are slow chargers that range from 3-7 kw. There are 22kw chargers, but being AC, affordable EVs can only take advantage of up to 7 kw. I hope there would be more EV chargers where I live.
Excellent video. I recently went from a plug in hybrid to a full EV so had the stepping stone experience some people may need. Hated having to use the petrol engine as the electric was so much smoother and quieter. Now on salary sacrifice which makes running an EV even more affordable.
@@clives4501 UK gov has subsidised the UK Oil and Gas industry for decades - since the Paris Agreement they've provided a smidge under £14 billion to Oil and Gas - who is paying for that? Us poor taxpayers. Not saying that you are wrong by the way, the UK tax payers are indeed subsidising the EV salary sacrafice, but we're also paying way way more towards Oil and Gas... :(
@@BombSponge If you read about them, everywhere it will say they're relatively abundant. We have more than enough available in reserves and I'm sure we'll discover even more. We don't have more mines because we only mine as much as is needed. As demand increases, mining will increase as well.
These very large roll-on / roll-off Car Vehicle Transporter Vessels design, will need to be review in light of all these Fire and Sinking's which are happening too. Or the vessels being so badly damaged and destroyed, they have to be turn into scrap metal basically! Their designs especially require being internationally review, of Fire Safety and Fire Fighting by such a small crew onboard too. Or last over carrying Electric Vehicles, or Hybrid Electric vehicles. Should EV's and HEV's be carried, in specialised Fire and Water Proof Armoured Shipping Containers, with built in Automatic Fire Suppression or Flooding Systems. With each specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Container, having both built in CCTV and built-in Fire Smoke Gas Dectection Sensors and Audio Visual Alarms too. With cameras and sensors both linked to the bridge, or a Fire Safety Monitoring Station (which is manned 24/7/52) from each Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers being carried onboard too. Which if one of these Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers, would automatically be flood if the EV or HEV stored inside burst into flames and was on Fire , stopping or delaying any Fire spreading out of control to other vehicles. Or any EV Fire spreading out of control, to other areas and decks of the Roll-on / Roll-off Vehicle Transporter Vessel too. Or spreading to other of these Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers onboard a vessel too. As well as transporting not connected or disconnected Electric Battery Energy Packs, in shipping Containers as well. Whether these Electric Battery Energy Packs, either powering Electric Devices, Equipment and Systems, or any kind of Electric Vehicles too. It is one way to stop EV Fires onboard vessels, spreading out of control, which a small number of ships crew of these Roll-on / Roll-off Vehicle Transporter Vessel , can clearly handle! Suggestion by yours truly Gurkhamum Wendy and Wheelchaircharlie39 David, We would not touch an EV, because of the Fire Risk also because we are Disabled too!
There was a video on Environmental Coffeehouse about Windyday Concept. Thanks to Robert for providing much of the information, and thanks to the IEA and the OECD for providing evidence of their complicity in blocking the EV market.
Thanks for introducing me to Environmental Coffee House. In return allow me to introduce you to "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. I'd be interested to see your comments if you view the doco. Also I'd be happy to comment on Windyday Concept if you are interested in the views of a climate change sceptic with an open mind.
Great video. It would have been good to mention there's the full referenced article in the caption! I found myself questioning the "16,000 miles" payback on emissions statement, but having read up on the literature referenced I can see why this is totally plausible. I do feel it's probably a little optimistic still currently, but even at 30 to 50,000 miles with a lifespan of >>100,000 miles and all the other co-benefits from air pollution to fossil fuel reduction, it's still an absolute no-brainer!! Thanks for bringing this reference to my attention! :)
I would add a few things. 1. Vastly reduced air and noise pollution is not only great for public health and the Planet; home owners currently close to busy roads will find the value of their property increasing significantly in relative terms in years to come. 2. Li S battery technology will not only eliminate the need for cobalt and nickel mining and therefore be significantly cheaper to make but will increase the range to something like 500-1000 miles. No more range anxiety and indeed a much reduced need for en route chargers at all. Sodium batteries currently in development may even remove the need for lithium altogether. 3. When all or most cars are EVs that will represent a huge amount of electrical storage capacity, much greater than current pumped storage capacity in the UK. That means that the current approx. 20% of electricity generated by renewables at low demand times, like night time, will no longer need to be wasted as it is at the moment. That will (or should) work through as cheaper per unit electricity for everyone. 4. High insurance costs will come down once there is sufficient data to show actuarially that EVs are less claim generators than ICEs. 5, Even if all electricity was made by burning oil in power stations, which it is not, you would still get around twice the mileage for every gallon burned in an EV than you would by putting it into an ICE.
If you are truly interested in gold standard material you may find it worth while Googling "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. If you do watch it I'd be very interested in your comments.
@Lone Wolf I understand that Stossel has controversial views that many will find to be unpalatable. However I'm unable to find the video you refer to. Perhaps you can provide further info which would enable me to track it down. Unlike many, I am not afraid of the truth.
How is lithium mined? How will batteries be disposed? What is the source of electricity for charging? I’m curious to know how to debunk such arguments. Rare earth mining is a mess. Seen it in proper developed nations, not those third world ones. My country has gone into it and it’s most ‘interesting’ for the environment.
I'm sending this to my Dad! AND his dinosaur chums!! This is a perfect explanation thank you so much! I made an EV education playlist, but it was so long I don't think he ever watched it as he still regurgitates the lies dished up in the media. Keep up the good work!!
Please stop talking nonsense over and over again!!!! Oil is mostly vegetables not dinausors wtf!!!! Also your tesla is about 40% made of it! Even SpaceX has to burn tons of it to launch rockets and much more.
The one argument that's difficult to refute at the moment is that "if a BEV does catch fire, it's impossible to extinguish. The fire service just have to let it burn or bury it". I've heard this from firemen so this is official policy.
You may hate being on camera and in the spotlight in general Dan, but this is an excellent summation of EV's and the reality of the sustainable transition. I'll be permanently saving this in my CZcams renewable energy playlist in order to share it with naysayers and the curious alike, alongside Robert's - The Dirty Truth About Combustion Engine Vehicles.
@@clives4501 Not confirmation bias. Merely a combination of making a point to listen to the experts and witnessing what's happening before my very eyes; not difficult. Besides, if that's your attitude, why on earth watch CZcams channel that's about all things sustainable and the energy transition? Very illogical.
@@clives4501 "Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing" - yup. It makes people like you continue to write utter bollocks, flying in the face of every available fact.
@@pinkelephants1421 Thanks Pink Elephants. Even experts differ. That is the nature of debate. To expose oneself to alternative views and contrary opinions is fundamental to understanding the world we live in. I am interested in sustainability and energy transition. Not to bolster my own beliefs and ego, but rather to learn from others who may offer a rational and contrary argument. You may find that approach to be illogical - that's OK. You are entitled to your opinion and to trust the opinions of your chosen experts. I do not seek to change your mind or to alter any of your views. I am a firm believer in the Socratic method.
I do get that EVs are better than ICEs. My beef is that they are talked about/promoted as a total solution when they share most of the negative attributes of a privately owned car. If we take the global warming emergency seriously then changing transport mode to much less invasive methods is essential: urban walking and cycling, and urban and inter urban mass transport. EVs have a future, but there need to be far fewer of them than the 1.5 billion cars that exist currently on our planet.
Unfortunately, private car ownership is a legacy of government policy in the 1960s, which, after the Beeching report, more than 4,000 miles of rail was shut down. Public transport has lacked investment for decades ever since it was mostly privatised in the 80s and 90s. Private car ownership is a highly flawed model with cars being parked 96% of the time and people sitting in traffic for an average of 115 hours a year. From a pollution point of view, EVs are most certainly cleaner, especially in urban areas, but as you say, they also create many of the same issues as ICE cars.
I am pretty sure I was told every single one of those statements and was able to counter most of them. There will always be a few holdouts but we've been giving rides and let people drive our electric cars since our first one (2015) and have converted (or at least made people consider converting ) from ICE to EV.
Dam right, you tell them. My sister-in-law and I convinced my wife to buy an electric vehicle. So in my household we have an electric and a gas powered car. So I can tell you for certain that EVs are extremely cheap in the long run. Every month I pay around $340 in gas, my wife pays max including the odd charge at a shopping center. Under $30 dollars a month. So it is true that the upfront cost is expensive. However, the usage cost is substantially cheaper. All costs are in Canadian dollars. We have had the electric car for 3 years, my next car is going to be electric. 100%
They are quieter and smoother, which is virtually never discussed. They get *better mileage*(sic) in stop-n-go traffic. They don't drip fluids on the road, and don't require oil-changes. I guess it depends on what you call rubbish. Oh yeah, and you don't have to worry about your catalytic converter getting stolen.
Perhaps so Johnathon but you may find it worth while Googling "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. If you do watch it I'd be very interested in your comments.
A young bloke I was at work with had an interesting argument against EVs.
To summerise, 'sooner or later the terrorists would figure out that EVs can catch fire and target an EV dealership. Much destruction. Much death.'
As we drove past a filling station I pointed at it and said, "whats that?"
Conversation changed topic after that without a reply.
Exactly, funny. But he is probably correct about hydrogen cars. You could park one somewhere, open a value to release the hydrogen into the boot and interior which could be fill of ball bearings and nails then detonate it. 5kg of hydrogen, about what is in a car, has about the energy of 2000 hand grenades. The explosion could be huge.. I imagine if compressed hydrogen cars eventually are produced in large numbers some will leak into peoples enclosed garages and mothers taking their children to school will press the electric garage door opener, the brushed door motors will spark igniting the hydrogen and they will be instantly turned into mince meat. The explosion will be so violent their house will disappear. After a few incidents like that compressed hydrogen will be finished. The compression is crazy, 10000psi, a car tire is only 30psi, then you also have the smallest atom that will push into any metal or manufacturing defect and slowly wedge it open until it escapes.
That's bloody hilarious.
"has about the energy of 2000 hand grenades"
This is a common mistake people make about gas safety. The reaction of a gas like hydrogen or methane needs oxygen. Hydrogen is only explosive if SUFFICIENTLY mixed with r. Otherwise, it's just a flame. Explosives are saturated with their own oxidizer. This is why fuel-air bombs have major proportions of substances like ammonium nitrate rather than just fuel, and also why LNG ships aren't anywhere near as potent as nuclear weapons.
Any hydrogen explosion is going to be localised and due to pressure only. It would resemble a very vicious steam kettle or a straight flame. It's actually safer than gasoline and slightly less so than diesel due to the tradeoffs of energy content, flammability, lightness, pressure venting, density relative to air etc.
Also, the reaction of such a gas venting would actually shoot upwards in a very straight flame, which is safer than the settling flames of gasoline or LPG.
Propane actually represents the pinnacle of flammability danger, not hydrogen, methane, petrol or diesel, because it is stored in the awkward category of a pressurized liquid that is too close to ambient conditions for refrigeration and is prone to bursting tanks if heated and is heavier than air. Safety is not a straightforwards relationship from energy per weight or energy per volume.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 You sometimes hear about slow propane leaks that saturate several rooms taking down large buildings in countries with poor safety standards. You need that much oxygen. Fortunately, hydrogen gas disperses about 25 times faster than propane does. Unless it's in an enclosed area (which one generally shouldn't do with any flammable gas), hydrogen gas will disperse faster than it can burn.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 I disagree. Just look at the Norway refill station explosion for example, how violent was that? What about the explosion at a hydrogen and gas facility in Long View, North Carolina, that damaged 60 nearby homes.
If you just look it in terms of stored energy: 5kg of hydrogen is about 165kWh and a hand grenade is about 0.070kWh, which gives the equivalence of 2357 times as much stored energy. When a hydrogen explosion happens do you think any of the hydrogen will stay just as hydrogen or all be converted to molecules with other elements.
Hydrogen has a very broad flammability range-a 4 percent to 74 percent concentration in air and 4 percent to 94 percent in oxygen. You don't need much oxygen to get it started.
"reaction of such a gas venting would actually shoot upwards", it is not about gas venting. I'm talking about leaking and mixing then igniting after all the gas has leaked out. This is especially possible in a garage.
You just need to look at heating gas explosions that happen with homes to see how dangerous gas is. The UK has about 31 home gas explosions a year and that is with gas that has lower kWh (10kWh?) and it is at way lower pressure. Home gas is about 0.29 PSI, and EV tank can be around 10000PSI.
Would be great to see a actual test to see who is closest to reality! Someone emptying a car tank of hydrogen into a garage then remotely opening the garage door.
Great video but the word missing was EFFICIENCY. Electric cars are much more efficient at turning energy into motion, in most cases 3 to 4 times more efficient than ICE equivalent. The ICE car manufacturers have successfully eliminated the EFFICIENCY word from the debate and slamming of electric cars. Why? because ICE scars are embarrassingly INEFFICIENT. Only about 25% of the petrol/diesel is used for motion the rest being lost in all sorts of ways. This is really interesting to me that even your show doesn’t mention this. It’s the best counter to someone in a Range Rover who is against EVs. Do they realise actually how inefficient and useless their engine is? It’s embarrassing
Most don't care because they prioritize space, comfort, and power so they're driving a big truck or 3 row SUV they don't actually need. Thankfully, we can buy whatever we want but... education is needed to drive change in those stuck in their ways.
EVs are all well and good but I hope Hydrogen really kicks off because that's a truly sustainable option.
It’s not so much the efficiency of the cars themselves but the efficiency of the power generation grid over IC engines. Regardless of the source (coal, natural gas, hydro, etc.) most power sources eliminate the reciprocating mass part of the process, making them more efficient. Don’t forget that EVs are basically coal-powered cars. Also the energy to produce them is quite a bit higher than regular cars,
Particularly the environmental cost of making the batteries )not to mention the human rights costs too.)
@@MrBeugh thanks interesting. do you have data on the efficiency of power generation for electric distribution, versus power generation for gasoline/diesel = per KWH of energy for example. my data on extra cost of production is that its not that much higher and that after a few thousand KM its starts to be Carbon beneficial. Personally we power our electric cars from solar panels so it's not so complex to work out
I’d rather have my propulsion be powered at a scale power source than a small inefficient gas or diesel engine. It’s just hard to make the size efficient and scaling is one of the ways to make something more efficient
Today I had 'range relaxation'.
When I first went EV 10 years ago I visited the 'Rapid' charger at Rownhams services nearly every time I drove that way, in my 90 mile LEAF
Last week I drove my five year old LEAF2.0 on a 180 miles day trip to the seaside, as it had over 84000 miles on the clock I plugged it into the charger in the car park whilst I went for lunch , and went shopping. I got home with 'only' 40 miles range remaining.
Today I drove the same journey in my other, newer, LEAF (with the larger battery) . I didn't bother to plug into the charger in the car park and drove home . I got home with 90 miles remaining range.
My point, even in an old design such as the LEAF, battery range has improved greatly in just a few years. Now go look at the others.
As an aside:- the first LEAF I owned is still on the road and in use.
I'd love to have been able to share your experience with a numpty who's trying to naysay me and just about everyone else in the Twitter conversation we've been having with him. No matter how patiently we explain reality of EV's, he still can't quite manage to grasp the reality of what EV's entail, including the recycling of the battery packs; and we've been REALLY patient. He's a true ultracreptarian!
Recently bought a second hand 28kWh Hyundai Ioniq. Fantastic EV 🥳.
Well done Barry Purkis. I share your enthusiasm for maximum range. My new Toyota Fortuner has a larger fuel tank than the previous model. A very handy 80 litres. I can travel a minimum 800km or more without anxiety. And that's with a smallish caravan in tow. Modern tech - ya can't beat it. As an aside - my 2006 Holden V8 Ute (6.0 lt, ls2 - gen 4) is still going strong. So that's a win win.
@@clives4501 I see your sarcasm knows no bounds. Troll on....
@@clives4501 Is it called a Fortuner because it's going to cost you a fortune to fill up over it's lifetime? No need to answer that, we already know.
I live in a flat so can’t charge at home. I depend totally on public charging. Public charging needs to be cheaper and have more points.
part of the problem is that some of the companies who provide chargers (e.g. Shell & BP) are oil companies that want most people to keep burning oil.
I think public charging needs to be totally rethought. Gas stations exist because you need a place to put the gas for people to fill up however electricity is everywhere there are people. There's no reason that you, even living in a flat, should be forced to go anywhere to "fill up." There should be level 2 charging all over the place, especially in dense areas like parking garages and housing complexes.
That being said I agree with you completely. Public charging is not ready for mass adoption so I can't blame you for not making the jump. It's absolutely horrible in my area. Even tesla has only 3 superchargers in a 100 or so mile radius. Just like any new tech (or new to mass market at least), it will take time for prices to come down and for support to increase. We're still very early on after all with Tesla being the only real competitor until very recently.
@Steven M
Audit your vehicle use for 6 weeks.
On paper.
Distance, destination, time at destination.
Note nearby chargers.
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Might seem a pain, but you'll be surprised by the "graze charging" opportunities.
@@rsawyer757
"No reason you have to be forced to go anywhere to fill up"....
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But, the point of a "vehicle" is to "go somewhere"?
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So, changing perspective, what you want is charging opportunity where you "go", for the period that you're there.
It's more analogous to "metered parking" in a city.
You 'go" there for business.
You need to park.
You need a "meter" (I know, old fashioned) to enable you to park.
Actually, bringing that analogy up to date......
Let's say you drive to a city, you find a "bay" (low power charger replacing a "meter")
You charge.
Your parking fee is collected automatically as a surcharge.
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Likewise, parking out of hours where you socialise.
If you don't drive to socialise, you don't need the car.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Electricity is metered so in this context I'd say it's not really an old fashioned term, it actually fits.
But yes, I'm saying you should generally be able to charge everywhere. Since electricity is ubiquitous and flows into every building, unlike gasoline, there's no reason that you should have to go to a specific charging station most of the time. Maybe we'll need DC fast charging stations strategically placed around highways like gas stations for travelers who need to travel quickly but slow chargers should be available pretty much everywhere you go.
I would say that long term, regardless of where they live, most people should be able to do the vast majority of their charging at home. The point of the car is to go places but there's no reason that charging should be the reason to go somewhere most of the time when you have the resource it runs on pretty much everywhere you go.
Used 2018 leaf and used 2018 Model 3 long range. 75,000 miles driven. Wife would never go back! Charge at home, drive 4 miles for 6 pennies. No oil transmission radiator etcetcetc maintenance. Quiet, fast. Driven on 3,000 mile round trip. Save $1,800 per year on gas. Both vehicles have retained 99% of battery mileage. Daughter owns ID4 which she regularly drives from Pittsburgh to New Jersey and back. Son has Bolt, loves it. Others on a used Model Yof performance. Another daughter 2018 Leaf. Several friends have Model Y, one recently purchased MB EQS. Apparently many folks do not consider them to be rubbish?
People are emotional beings. Being emotional and harcore fan sometimes blinds you. For me ev is taking everyday more % in the car industry pie period
It's not rubbish at all, but if you need an EV for long distances 270 -300 miles on 100 mph on highway, you have only a handful of them and they are way too expensive for families like ours! So, we don't have choice at the present!
@@yveslegh I'm genuinely curious as to how often you drive your family for 270 miles at 100mph? And where is that even legal?! Friendly question.😊
@@yveslegh Are you on German Autobahn and even there it is often restrictions on speed before 270 miles distance and how far do you go to work. Very few drives 540 miles every day. I have moved before because of time and cost to drive to work
@@judebrown4103 I do that every month through Germany.... family business! And a day later back....
We as a company have just gone back to diesel minivans from ev's because as soon as we start using the autobahn the range drops significantly and as a company we cannot spend the time sat at chargers that is required. For a lot of people this would not be an issue but for higher milage drivers ev's are not the solution, at the moment.
I don't know what cars you've had but minivans has been pretty bad when it comes to range. But they are becoming better. VW id buzz is pretty good, check out the "VW ID Buzz 1000 km challenge" and I think you might change your mind about minivans on the autobhan.
I’m buying my first EV tomorrow, you finally tipped my scales after visiting the Fully Charged show at Harrogate. (UK)
Thank you so much for what you’re doing. Clean air is a blessing we all deserve to extend to our children and grandchildren.
What did you get? (Congratulations)
Welcome to the club.
However you will discover that the charging infrastructure is atrocious. Until you have a home charger installed.
There truly is a postcode lottery. North Wales. Mostly 7 kW. Cambridgeshire Buckinghamshire great.
Also hope you have a CCS socket. I followed this channel’s advice and didn’t get chademo. There are more chademo stations than 22kW AC. Short stay parking offering 7kW… the only available type 2 chargers in most places. Where there are 22kW points they are very much sought after as they are half the price of CCS.
@@AlexM-Official I chose an i3s for a number of reasons. For me personally it was the most comfortable seating for driving. I also like the quirky look of them interior and exterior, the way they drive, grip the road and go! They’re quick especially in sport mode (ha). Range 150+ is adequate for my use.
@@chriswatt2702 Thanks for the response. I’m beginning to gain a sense of the issue from what you say.
I’m due to have a Zappi installed at home as I’m intending 99% local use, but best be prepared from what you say as I’m expecting to do the occasional trip. There is a charger on a car park around the corner and another about 1/4 mile away that I need to investigate. CCS from what I can see.
I don’t yet understand the CCS, chedemo and charging rates you mention. I know the car will accept a 50kW rate, 0-80% in around 40+ minutes from what I understand.
After getting used to your EV, you'll probably feel like you're suffering whenever you're around other cars. The fumes! The smell!
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Another aspect of regenerative braking - is that friction brakes are used *much* less frequently - and this means far less brake pad particulates are produced over time.
Garages haven't come to terms with the reduction in servicing income from EVs. Eventually people are going to stop paying £150 to get their tyres checked and a new cabin air filter.
@@GordonHudson We have been here before - something about buggy whip makers?
Using condoms and other forms of birth control, over time will reduce population. According to studies sex increases your life expectancy.
True, but when you do need to do them it won't be because you wore them out. It will because they have corroded beyond efficient use. It's happening now and I replace them at work because of the corrosion and seldom for their wear.
@@SHOdown13 Well, they only have to be used once a day or maybe every two days, to keep from rusting. And, with EVs they are now putting rear drum brakes in, which are aluminum, and not exposed to the moisture.
Gassing your car seems to take a lot of time because you MUST stand there. Whereas with EV charging you use the toilet, go for a walk, get a coffee and relax …. Not possible while standing in a gas station. My car is usually charged up and ready before I am.
If I can't park my car after the 3 minutes it takes to put gas in it, and then go and get a coffee I will just wear some Tena pants! Honestly, some people have better things to do than spend 30 unnecessary minutes having a coffee they didn't want waiting for their car to be ready to drive.
@@aacmove The total amount of time I’ve spent a charging station in the last year is eight minutes. In the previous year. It was 12 minutes.
The BS you hear about charging times is just oil company propaganda.
@@colingenge9999I'm glad for you but then I don't imagine our situations are the same. Me. Flat, 4 floors , 10 minutes from public parking with only 6 EV spaces. You, probably house with home charging. Not the same. And, like the time I stopped at a service station and watched a man fart about with two chargers and different credit cards. And by the time I had gotten my sandwich, coffee and pee he still had not managed to start charging. I felt really sorry for him but also slightly amused. I also know a lot of people who would find the whole process difficult as they can't even tell the difference between ICE, mild hybrid, full hybrid, PHEV or BEV. Whilst there are many fuel providers the nozzle is the same, the payment method is the same. Sending a lone woman into a dark, hidden car park to charge is not particularly safe when that is the only option she may have, because she ended up in the wrong place with an almost empty battery. You'll never convince me that charging a EV car and filling up with fuel are comparable. I see the inconvenience and am not interested in it.
A friend posted this on F/B can you put a video out to debunk this information?
Look forward to sending it to him.👍
This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car. To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most.
The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000-$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000-$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)
It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.
And finally, my new friend, Michael, made some excellent points: I forgot to mention the amount of energy required to process the raw materials and the amount of energy used to haul these batteries to the U.S. sometimes back and forth a couple of times.
But by all means, get an electric car. Just don't sell me on how awesome you are for the environment. Or for human rights.
I ditched my Porsche 997 for a KIA EV6 GT and haven’t looked back! I’m a true ‘petrol head’ with a classic Honda NSX and a BAC Mono for track use as well as the Porsche which is now kept for occasional recreational use.
For daily duties though I won’t be driving a petrol car again, the EV is just better.
Oh, and the argument about range and needing to make unexpected journeys? I’m an NHS surgeon and sometimes have to rush to the hospital in the middle of the night for emergencies. The EV is better, it’s always charged, and being silent it doesn’t wake my family up!
Keep up with the myth busting!
Absolutely! We just bought a 2 year old Renault Zoe with a huge 52 Kw/h battery. We love it. We are charging it up directly from the solar panels on our roof and it is sooo nice to be driving around in it with your own energy. The driving experience is amazing, nippy, quiet and fun. Ours has a 110hp motor which isn't particularly fast for EV's but I had absolutely no trouble keeping up with a Porsche Boxster the other day as he tried to leave me behind driving uphill to our village in the Schwarzwald.
Definitely no turning back! 👍 James
I somehow don't believe a Porsche was trying to leave you behind and you kept up in a Zoe😂
@@Robert-cu9bm I was in a 2019 Telsa SR+ RWD and left a Bentley Continental GT for dead. I could hear his engine howling behind my left ear. The launch on an EV is like nothing you have experienced in any ICE, even the nippy Zoe.
@@ouethojlkjnmaybe he wasn’t trying, bit cheap racing a Bentley don’t you think?
@@GadgetMart Well it wasn't quite as simple as that, we were on a big roundabout set of lights and I was on the right going right and Bentley boy was on the left - but going right. He knew it and I knew it. So the second the amber light appeared he was off like a scalded cat. But he eventually tucked in behind me. Or drove over the bollard, one or the other. Not sue what you mean about cheap, not sure there are many other more expensive cars knocking about where I am.
@@ouethojlkjn I mean it’s childish racing a Bentley
I would expect the driver to be a bit more mature than that
Well said...we have been EV owners now for 9+ months. A Kona EV, we have just rolled over to 41,500 KM. We are high mileage drivers with all our vehicles.
We are lucky enough to charge at home at very low rates overnight. We have 0 range anxiety from the very beginning, absolutely love our EV!
Just came back from a weekend trip visiting family 500 KM away, had 1 charge stop on the way (which took 30 minutes - barely enough time to run and eat our dinner) and on our return found that Electrify Canada gave us a complimentary charge! Once at our destination we plugged the car in at my brother in laws with our level 1 charger. Return trip was one quick 20 minute charge (at Electrify Canada - cost us $5.28) which provided more than enough range to get home - about 120 KM to spare. Total cost of that trip was about $15 in energy cost. Our Toyota Rav4 would have taken about $150 out of our pocket!
I agree that EV's may not work for some but we will never go back to an ICE vehicle being our primary driver!
Mike 🇨🇦
My favourite bit of bollocks someone told me about EVs:
"You cant take them to a normal body shop to be repaired, because the heat lamps they use to cure the paint will over heat the battery, so they have to go to special body shops where they remove the battery first before painting"
And this guy really truly believed that.
95% of ev's ever made are still on the road. The other 5% of them made it to the end of their journey.
@@clives4501 Don't give up your day job. Unless your day job is to come up with crap trolling, in which case, give it up right now.
@@theelectricmonk3909Thanks for your comment electric monk. Trolling is a new word to me, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. I found this definition - Trolling is when someone posts or comments online to deliberately upset others.
FYI I did not deliberately set out to upset you, or anyone else. I understand that humor is subjective: but on reflection do you think you might be overreacting somewhat?
I would add that your post is somewhat insulting towards me. Did you perhaps deliberately set out to upset me? Please be assured I am not upset - merely amused, so rest easy.
In any event please accept my sincere apologies for any distress I may have unwittingly caused. What a world we now live in!
@@clives4501 sensitive lot - these EVangelists......!!!!
@@andymccabe6712 Thanks Andy. I was beginning to doubt my own self worth - just kidding!
Got my first EV last month, a Tesla Model Y with the long-range battery and the tow package. Three times I've driven between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins -- a 140 mile trip (each way) by the most direct route. Twice towing a trailer and once without. My trailer is a 6 x 12 foot enclosed box that's over 7 feet high. It's like dragging a sea anchor.
The first trip with the trailer I set cruse control to 65 mph and had to stop for 20 minutes at a supercharger north of Denver. And on the way back back I had to stop at a supercharger on the south edge of Denver. The Model Y had tons of pulling power, but wind-drag really eats up the battery. The second trip with the trailer I set cruse control to 60 mph and it made a huge difference, as I made it the full distance with 35 miles of range left. We'll see how it goes on the way home.
Still wouldn't go back to the Subaru Outback. Gonna keep my Tesla.
Congratulations on entering the intriguing world of driving slower to avoid a pit stop or driving faster and having to take one!
We're also bombarded with propaganda from fanatics that see EV's not as cars but religious icons.
Amen. Climate catastrophe, net zero, "safe and effective" medical procedures - the new religions. All acts of faith.
Anyone remember the lockdown? Remember how the air pollution reduced and how pictures emerged showing London without the smog?
Agree with most point except the “you don’t need a driveway to charge”
It’s crazy expensive to charge with rapids now.
There are various subscriptions and RFID cards from the likes of Octopus energy that reduce costs. You don't have to pay 79p or more. We have no driveway and bought a used ev with great range and a small battery so even if we paid the highest tariff we'd still pay two thirds less than our 1.2 litre petrol car cost.
still cheaper than fuel
But you can of course reduce the cost of using rapid charging by subscribing to the network..... that can bring cost savings of up to 50%.
You don't need a driveway to charge and not having a driveway doesn't mean you have to use public chargers. You can apply for permission to run a cable from your house to the car, for example.
Surprisingly, nobody has advocated petrol/diesel supply to your house. Water, electricity and sewage connections...but not fuel. So you have to take you ICE car to a petrol station. Where I live in border country, the nearest petrol station is 9 miles away. The nearest public charger is 4 miles away....and (of course) I'm mostly charging at home.
Long journeys are a pain. Having to stop and relax for 20 minutes, visit the facilities, grab a coffee is really awful. When I had an ICE car Id be zooming along to the next services to get a petrol fill up - stand by your pump, 5 minutes filling and woosh on your way. Arrive feeling tired, stressed and exhausted. Everybody loves that. Dont they?
AND, theres always that range anxiety. Will your ICE car make it to the next petrol station assuming you can find one and its open and you have finance arrangements in place to pay for it. My little EV plots the route, tells me where the stops are, how long I need to charge for, how to find the charging station and gives me a reasonable estimate of how much charge I'll have left when I reach the next stop. Wheres the fun in that? You know, the excitement when the needle is on the wrong side of the red bit ...and as my dad would say "theres nothing on the clock but the makers name". Real exciting driving.
The ICE is melting.
Teslas are selling NEW for around $30,000 - with IRA discounts included - NOW. NO gasoline EVER. No Oil Changes EVER. No Check Engine Light EVER. No CAT Converters or Oxygen Sensors EVER. No coolant flushes EVER. No Coil Packs or spark plugs EVER. No Timing Belts EVER. Just $10.00 and 20 minutes charging every 300 miles of driving (.04¢ a mile). Over FIFTY THOUSAND chargers with 99% always working - World wide. And in many states CHEAPER Tesla car insurance. Tesla's are too expensive...
Well said. Too many oil industry online trolls spreading misinformation resulting in red state hostility towards EVs here in the USA.
Don't forget Toyota in that list too... They are being sued in Australia and a number of other countries for greenwashing, emission coverups, and spreading propaganda in Japan telling their population on Hybrid is best for the environment.
Lol, socialist or liberal?
@@ward7588 Things like that out you as a troll. We are talking about cars. Cars can't tell which politics you support.
@@ward7588 Not sure what the commenter's political leanings have to do with the truth of the statement. But, since you want to go there.... Republican politicians are largely in the pockets of their contributors - big oil, big pharma, big insurance. Accordingly, they whip up their generally uninformed (beyond Faux News or News Smacks) base to prevent any progress on alternate energy, electric vehicles, drug prices or universal (meaning affordable to poor people) health care in the U.S.A. So, if being on the other side of this argument, means you're going to call me names, count me in! What's your excuse? Not name-calling, just asking if you have any fascist or conservative ideas for addressing the problems of our society. Take your time, but give me solid data from a non-political source.... if you know of one.
The biggest, real argument against EVs is that mass production of ANY type of car is bad, even if you factor in the carbon "offset". If we all had EVs, comparing what we would have polluted will no longer be a valid offset.
Massive funding into building and converting public transport infrastructure will always be the best option. Trams and Trains ideally, as they dont require batteries and can run directly from the grid. Making areas more walkable and cyclable is even better. The Netherlands are leading the way on all fronts.
But if you are deadset on the idea that you NEED a car, EV is clearly superior to petrol, for the reason outlined here.
Well said! I went electric about 18 months ago and would never go back to petrol of diesel!
He's spot on with his arguments I like it I've had my EV now for just over a year and I've never used a supercharger as I've never needed to even go to the seaside it cost me seven pounds as the holiday house we rented had a free charger so all it cost me was to get there can you go on holiday in your ice car drive every day exploring about 160 miles a day and only spend 7 pounds and even driving 179 miles to holiday for 7 quid it was a very hot day in the late 90s so econ was on max music on full blast and seat massager on full and I still had 69 miles of range left over when I got there. so as a retired Car mechanic and electrician and technician on fuel and ignition systems I saw the writing on the wall years ago as they never progressed they have gotten as far as they can go with fossil fuels so they cheat the emissions by using electric motors to assist the engine hybrids which to me make no sense at all.
Well needed video, I'm constantly refuting things the petrol heads say in work. They came to me about hydrogen the other day and Im trying super hard to be like no, no, no it's not the awnser, not for domestic use anyway. And I'll say that here too, hydrogen is stupid, it's inefficient to produce and mining it is just stupid, it's just a way for the oil industry to keep us all in their pockets. Electricity can be made and stored easily in the home and that's why it's so disruptive.
Careful, this comment is in danger of causing a Robert Rant in explosive agreement with you!😅
After 3 years with an iPace I knew I would never go back to ICE cars. Now I’ve had my Polestar PS2 for 15 months and it just works so well. I live in Norway, so cold and ice for 4-5 months of the year, and range deteriorates from a bit over 400km to about 330km, with heated seats, air on on around 21-22 degrees etc. 4WD, 476hp, 1600kg towing capacity… Nope, never going backwards to internal combustion ever again 🇳🇴
OK, I’ll admit to owning and driving a Triumph Bonneville in the summer, but hey, no one’s perfect 😂
I would like more second hand EVs that I can afford 😖
Depends on what country you live but in Sweden we got more used evs and prices has gone down. MG sells alot in Uk and used prices im sure are lower there. Sweden a Mg Zs Ev 2020-2021 are 220-240 000Sek. Hyundai ioniq 2017 are from 160 000 Sek. Nissan Leaf 40 Kwh from 180 000 Sek. Vw ID 3 from 295 000 Sek. But i havent even seen Nissan Leaf 24 Kwh really cheap in Sweden like Norway have. Thats why im sure this cars goes on import alot
UK renault ZE50 GT line, 70 plate / 2020 £14-15,000?
They will catch on fire like tinder in the sunlight
@@Gay-is-_-trashyes, our leaf caught fire at least 10 times in last year's 40C (105F) heat. Our Niro will do the same this year
😂😂😅🤣
Nope, we simply charge them up from solar, no oil slicks or oil tanker fires involved.
@@terryjimfletcher Exactly
We went camping recently. We don't use electeic hookup for our tent as we do not use mains devices when camping. I arranged to use a hookup on our last night to charge our ID.3 as I have a charge lead with the appropriate plug fitted.
At breakfast on our last day the car reached 100% charge and we left 2 hours later with 270 miles of range and a 48 mile journey. The site asked me to simply pay for the electricity at their rate which was 30 pence per kWh. Bargain really.
I shall be doing this at sites with electric hookup pitches in future. Makes life so much easier and no queueing for and paying for expensive dinosaur juice. 👍
Well said Dan , I had this today with a group of people, one lady said there's no infrastructure yet and said her friends have all had problems with their EVs and charging , She said one of her friends ran out in Cornwall and had to get a lift to their destination. Yes Cornwall isn't very good but i went there 4 years ago and i pland my route and had no . problems . i wanted to tell her that they were either lying or or just stupid. there was lots more FUD too much to go into but i gave the right answers
More likely SHE was lying.
@@davesvoboda2785 Yes thats what i thought too
That's funny, I see more and more EVs in Newquay, Cornwall. And I've never seen a broken down EV... Ahhh, maybe her friends all buy inferior EVs, in which case...well, the answer is obvious...ditch the Wulong / Milk Cart for a better EV ! ( Yes, a blatant PLUG for proper EVs...)
@@chrisheath2637 I did meet a couple at Tesco four years ago going on holiday from Bath to the west country with a Ford Mustang tying to charge on 7kw pod point , they only had it less than a week .
Based on my experience of Daily Mail-reading types blabbing on about EVS, it's a combo of lying, stupidity, willful ignorance and gullibility.
Many people are spending more money on the more expensive EVs for the range but in reality they don't even need the range and could get away with charging a few times a month, in the meantime it means they have paid a premium that isn't necessary. Over time with more accessable public charging, EVs with a smaller range will become a better more affordable choice and the mindset will change.
Right now there are some decent bargains on used EVs as many lease cars are up for sale and is likely flooding the market, until the buyers catch up you might get a few bargains!
I have had a BEV for just over a year; 11,150 miles, 2,914kWh into the car = 3.83 miles per kWh. And to support the video assertion... 58.8% from solar panels, 9.6% at home from overnight cheap rate grid electricity, 10.1% from free local destination chargers, 7.8% using the granny lead at family destinations and only 13.7% rapid, on the road charging (just 20 en route charges in a year!) The BEV experience was so good our 2nd car is also a BEV!
But above all, 1 litre of petrol contains approx 9 kWh of energy and will power an ICE for about 9 miles (41mpg) that is approx 1 mile per kWh not the 3.85 the EV has done (all year average). Energy efficiency has to be another plus point for EV's.
I have had my RWD model 3 for 2 weeks. 1474 km 921 miles 171 kWh used. 5.4 miles per kWh 1/3 mix each of freeway / suburban and city. 0-15 deg temps.
“Once you’ve gone electric, you’ll never go back.” 👊🏿👍🏿👌🏿
I ran my first electric car for 10K miles without a home charger. It can be done even if it's not convenient and it's worth it for the huge cost savings. In fact I never paid a penny for those 10K miles as I used a free public charger at Co-Op.
My current Kona Electric has managed a best of 314 miles on a charge - nobody can drive that long without toilet breaks etc and now I charge at home, I keep mine topped up on cheap electricity thanks to Octopus Energy.
Don't know why people always say that. The point is they are not forced into stopping to hunt down chargers. They stop when they want where they want and for how long they want
I don't stop when my car wants anymore, i stop because my body tells me I'm hungry or need the bathroom, then I'll plug it in wasting 20 seconds, not the 5-10mins to fill and pay for petrol. (no-one had lunch whilst also filling their petrol tank up)
@@terryjimfletcher maybe so but you obviously still need a charger to do that.
@@terryjimfletcher couple week ago drove to John O Groats from Yorkshire. Over 500 miles with zero stops for fuel. Plenty stops to actually appreciate the beautiful surroundings. Not a charger or service station in sight with zero stress or planning 😊
@@stevebeever2442 I don't understand this comment, gloating and self congratutory, almost all EV drivers have owned an ICE vehicle a high proportion probably still do, they are well aware and way more informed of the advantages and disadvantages of living with an EV than someone who has only owned an ICE vehicle. I get far more satisfaction generating my own power off my solar array and charging my EVs than I would from not stopping on a 500 mile journey, that I would do at best, once a year.
the Telegraph and the Mail are going fully charged into myth based articles... the carparks will collapse is the best one
Car parks will collapse, will they? Range Rover = 2810 kg. Tesla Model S = 2250 kg.
The price of all cars has gone mental. My 2012 Suzuki cost around £13,500 new.
The 2023 model costs £23,500 new.
Cars are becoming completely unaffordable.
Sounds like we need a robotaxi fleet.
Meanwhile, Tesla reduced some models by (more than?) 20% last month (Because they said they would when material costs reduced and/ or economy of scale improved)
@@rogerstarkey5390Which is nice for those in the market for a Tesla, but even the cheapest is still well above the median UK annual wage and used ones are holding their value annoyingly well.
@@drunkenhobo5039 sort of, the cut in new price is definitely proliferating through to second hand prices.
@@drunkenhobo5039 You won't see a significant reduction in 2nd hand EV prices for a few years yet; they're mostly too new still. After 2030, there should be some bargains about - although early Leafs will probably be one to avoid by then.
You mentioned that almost all EV's now get over 200 miles now and most get over 250. However, you left out that there are now dozens of EV models that go over 300 miles. A few over 400, and one, the Lucid, gets over 500 miles. With over a trillion dollars being invested in them and battery research (with recent breakthroughs), very soon those will be common.
And the electric grid will barely be needed in just a few years as companies cover large parking lots (think Walmart lots size) with solar and batteries. A few have been built out already and many are under plans. Tesla is building a massive one on Arizona, USA and have added battery megapacks to several charging sites in California.
Optimism is a wonderful thing - and then reality hits.
Having an MYP I get it constantly as does every other EV owner.
No infrastructure. My reply, all houses and businesses have electricity but no gas stations have pipelines.
My car is always ready to go at home, no hassles.
Car is quiet but even better, brutally quick and fast.
It is hard on tires due to acceleration and cornering I do, others results may vary. I did come from a track prepped BMW M3 SMG so I do have a vague idea of performance expectations.
I rarely need to travel over 250-300 miles in a hurry but can go 200 at 100+
And best of all, last year cost 2843.00 us dollars to travel 22600 miles at blistering speeds including 1 set of Pirellis ;-) No other maintenance needed. A bargain deal.
The Mercedes EQXX can do 1000 Km on a single charge and 1200 Km if driven more carefully. This on a 100 KwHr battery. This shows us the future. If you step into an electric car in the morning that has 1000 Km of range then you won't ever need to stop to charge through the day as you can't drive that far. You don't even care if there are any public chargers anymore and if they work and you don't even look for them. Charging would take place slowly at night when you sleep at your home or destination making use of all that electrical generating capacity that is under used while all the nations cooker's, kettles and TV's are off as people sleep. (There is a reason why night time electricity is much cheaper). A 1000 Km battery solves many problems and therefore removes many of the anti EV lobby "attack" points such as not enough public chargers, queue's at public chargers, public chargers that don't work, waiting to charge during your journey and where will all the electricity to charge electric cars come from?
I am in the next few minutes about to make the last journey in my Diesel car to the garage to pick up my first EV!
I’m nervous, but excited after 43 years of driving, but I’m looking forward to completing our home full electric project with an EV.
Thank you for your great Chanel.
My retirement job was as a valet parking driver at Gatwick Airport. So I have driven thousands of cars, When I drove my first EV, a Renault Zoe, I was blown away by how good such a little car could be. So I bought an EV. Very cheap to run a a big bonus.
@@ianhamilton3113 I like the idea that it can be charged free from solar and nothing has to be ignited to make it work. I think it’s a very good step forwards.
I really enjoyed my day yesterday. Drove all over the place and still had 2/3rds charge remaining last night, they’re so quiet too. Picking my wife and daughter up today, and what a surprise my daughter is going to have when I turn up in an EV!
@@garysmith5025 Thank you. I had a great time yesterday. Actually looking forward to driving around again today.
Take care.
2 years ago, I was in the market to replace my old Toyota Camry.
I looked at ICE, hybrid, and EV as replacement.
ICE got crossed off right away. Climate, fossil fuel imports, and ever increasing maintenance costs. Nope.
Hybrids seemed ideal. Higher MPG, fewer pollutants, availability of gasoline for long road trips, pure battery power for daily driving. What’s not to love? Well… how about the overly complicated engineering of the three systems needed: an ICE, an electrical powertrain system, and then yet another system to manage and interweave those two very different drive system. Uh, no thanks!
So that left BEV. I ended up getting a Tesla Model 3SR+ at exactly the average price of a new car in the US at the time.
Two years and 32,000 miles later, I am extremely happy and satisfied with my decision.
Safe travels to all!
See...the thing people tend to gloss over here, is that if that had been MY car then, after two years my mileage would have been around eight thousand, or possibly a bit less!
This makes an EV a very expensive option!
And the argument about buying a car at the 'average price' is fatuous nonsense ... This is price which is unaffordable for VAST numbers of people AND is a lot more than people WANT to spend - even if they can afford it ... !
Time for a dose of financial reality .....!
@@andymccabe6712 Here's a bit of financial reality, buy used. I did and saved thousands. And you get a better car - your worth it!
@@andymccabe6712 Yow! Lots of assumptions on your part, friend.
I’m retired, living on a fixed income. The average price for a new car is not a fatuous or fictional figure. It’s offered only as a reference point.
And my information is is mine. I’m not claiming it’s applicable to everyone (or anyone). It’s anecdotal, offered for consideration.
So you know calm down. It’ll be ok.
Yep! Got my used Kona EV last September and love it. Have spent less than £100 on charging since then.
The weight issue is ridiculous. BMW produced a sub 3000lb EV for nearly 10 years while consumers insist on 300 mile range that they virtually never use.
You'd be surprised how close the most efficient EV brand (cough) is in terms of weight to their nearest equivalent ICE counterparts (compared within the same segment, not the smallest ICE supermini)
15 months into driving an EV! Wish I had converted earlier 👍👍😁😁
Same here haha!
First EV 10am tomorrow… Nervous excitement as I’m letting go of my excellent Golf GTD.
10 years of driving an EV, wish I converted earlier 😀
2 weeks of driving an EV, I wish I had converted earlier!
Will you guys make fun of me if I tell you I have been using my battery-powered riding mower for four years and I wish I converted earlier? I don't have an EV yet.
As a firefighter, i can say that a metal fire in an ice motor is not easy to put out. 😊
Great video Dan, I can directly send this to a few disbelievers I know!!
If only it was as simple as people who like electric cars can buy them and those that don't can buy something else. If electric cars really were better there would be no need to compel anyone which is what will happen. Similar to saying North Korea is a great place but people only want to go in one direction.
@@alanrobertson9790 Electric cars are far superior, we need to work towards a net zero carbon future as the burning fossil fuels will result in an existential threat to mankind or maybe you had missed that gem?
@@hughgriffiths6918 Why do you say existential threat? Not something from the IPCC report which is available on the net in full.
So lets type in "estimates of economic damage due to global warming" and see what we get.
1) World Economic forum seems a good unbiased site. Swiss report lays out the expected impact on global GDP by 2050 under four different scenarios compared to a world without climate change. These are: 4% if Paris Agreement targets are met (a well-below 2°C increase) 11% if further mitigating actions are taken (2°C increase) 14% if some mitigating actions are taken (2.6°C increase) 18% if no mitigating actions are taken (3.2°C increase). Sounds bad right? So lets get some historical perspective ourworldindata and economic-growth. Since 1960 to 2020 GDP has risen World 624%, UK 260%, USA 458%.
2) World 2021 GDP is $95 trillion. Ref International Monetary Fund World Economic Outlook (October - 2021).
3) According to a report by McKinsey (& reported too by BBC), the annual cost of getting to net zero - when carbon dioxide emissions are completely reduced or offset - will be $9.2tn (£6.8tn) [Approx 9.7% World GDP). That is the equivalent of half of all corporate profits in 2020. It is the equivalent of one quarter of all tax revenue, or 7% of household spending.
So what we can learn from this is A) Its more expensive to do nothing than something B) in either event world GDP likely to increase.
@@hughgriffiths6918 PS If electric cars really were superior then people would adopt them without needing to be persuaded. Just like canals, railways and then roads became principal transport modes because they were superior. What you are really saying is that electric cars are not superior but we will make everyone drive them because you think there is an existential threat to mankind. Not something for which you will find a credible reference.
Another issue with ICE vehicles is the heat given up to the atmosphere. Every modem ICE powered vehicles is fitted with a catalyst which only works when at high temperature. This temperature is lost to the atmosphere when the car is parked. Not much of an issue for one car but a big problem when millions are giving up 600C after every journey.
Electric cars are still too expensive for me but the rate of change is so good that I don't think I'll be able to say that in a few years time when the ones that are new now become 2nd hand.
I'm wondering how to use Market going to be
Second hand EV prices have been dropping rapidly in the last six months or so, they are much more affordable now.
You have to count the savings in petrol and maintenance.
For my own case, I can't afford anything but older second hand ICE cars. Good EVs of similar age and mileage don't exist. Insurance is cheaper for old cars, since there's no loan, and no need for collision insurance. I drive as little as I can, to save money. Someday I'll be able to trade for a high mileage EV, 200k miles or so, Model 3 or similar. I look forward to that day.
@@philiptaylor7902 i believe that. Battery aging
Same. Our family is in need of a second car. I'd love it to be an EV, but they're not affordable right now. Even second hand, for a comparable petrol car.
Real life running costs:
My LEAF is costing 5.2p per mile in Fuel.
My wife has a peteol Qashqai and thats 16.5p per mile for fuel.
This means that the ownership cost per month for both cars is about the same, except I am not putting out any pollution and my fuel is coming from renewable sources.
Full of positive comments, it's almost as if you're deleting any that challenge this wholesale propaganda.
In reality, and using an EV outside of the media negativity. I know of someone who is distraught with her Kia Nero EV, she commutes into London from west Dorset two or three times a week. She has a basic charger box set up at her home. In winter she has been in tears and frozen because she doesn't want to turn the heating on as it'll reduce her range and might not make it to Winchester to charge. She doesn't always get a charger at her carpark on London because they are usually being used or mostly broken down. She has to move her car at lunchtime to get a charge but 9 times out of 10 the charger is out of order or being used. Quite simply it's a constant worry and hassle. She is not planning on getting another EV after this as one with a bigger battery is 10-15K more expensive and just isn't in her price range. Unless they properly invest in RELIABLE charger infrastructure and have more locations it's only going to get worse. This is reality unfortunately. Government, companies and businesses need to make the push properly and provide infrastructure or it will just cause people to go back to fossil power. I get in some areas it works well for people but in the south of the UK it sucks
Great points, would also like to add that cobalt was and is still widely used by.. the fossil fuel industry.
And that cobalt unlike in batteries can not be recycled. It just vanishes in the chemical process of desulfurisation.
@@ivanvarcek2814 I understand they now have ways to recover at least *some* of it, but how many are actually doing that?
Another excellent video from Fully Charged. I don't think enough is made of just how cheaply you can run an EV. I have a Polestar 2, Ohme Pro home charger and the Intelligent Octopus tariff. I just looked at my bill for May and paid £25 for 352kWh. I regularly hit 3 miles per kWh so that is over 1,000 miles for £25. All this from the most practical and and best looking car I've ever owned, after years of VWs and Audis.
I have owned an EV for over a year now and my biggest complaint is the route charging prices. There are plenty of chargers but the prices to use them is insane. So if you live in a place where you can`t home charge i would not recommend getting an EV at the moment. It is cheaper and far more conveniant to drive an ICE car for those people. However i can charge my car where i live and i can even do so for free so for me the extra price of the car actually saves me money every month since i do not have to pay for fuel anymore unless i go on longer trips. So for me it made sense to go electric. But every usecase is different and you need to look at your own situation before you buy an EV.
I've been considering getting an EV for a while now because it suits my lifestyle. I don't do many long trips a year, I can charge at work, install a charger at home and have solar panels. Like you say, not everyone will have the ability to get a nearby, cheap slow charger. Need a lot more residential, apartment chargers popping up.
Thank you for putting things straight, most myths don't stand a chance with reality
Do you mean like the myth that the vax is safe and effective?
I’m in the US.. I have a 2023 M3SR and charge it once a week… after all incentives I paid $31,400. Will never go back to gas…
Biggest benefit... I have solar panels in my roof, so I'm producing my own transportation energy. I don't have to rely on big oil companies playing around with the cost and making excuses to rip me off.
Biggest downfall... Tires. My ID4 is RWD so those tires wear very quickly. My next EV will be AWD to distribute that wear
How much did you pay for the solar panels?
@@captricharddee3634 I didn't feel comfortable installing them myself, so i paid $20k. I'm saving $200/mo on energy and $400/mo on transportation (my city waives parking fees for EV), so my payoff was 3yrs.
Edit: home energy, gas+electric went from a 12mo average of $350/mo to $150/mo. I average 15k miles per year, parking is $10 per work day. Tires are roughly the same as my manual transmission BMW, oil change savings are offset by a $200/yr EV tax.
@@kevindavis8143 a great investment for those that can afford it and it sounds like it really made sense for you but most people don't have $20k spare to spend on solar panels, either because they waste their disposable income on clothes, holidays, eating out etc or because they just don't have that much disposable income.
@@Hali88
But do those people have "disposable income" sufficient to drive, and pay for fuel?
@@Hali88 you are correct for the moment, but there are community solar programs popping up to help those that do not live in a single family home. Charging is rough if you don't have a garage, but cities are starting to install street light outlets.
New EV are expensive, but so are all new cars. Let's look at a used BMW i3 vs a Chevy Malibu... The BMW costs $3-5k more to buy, but you don't need to spend $1000 on the 100k service and Uncle Sam will knock off $4k if the BMW is a 1 owner car. Factor in the fuel savings, it is cheaper to purchase and to own.
Have EV, won’t go back, ever. Everything with it is just better 🤷♂️
Well said Dan, the naysayers and luddites may gnash their teeth and wring their hands, but when the public cotton on to actual fuel costs of less than 4p a mile coupled with cheaper sub £20k cars, then full EV adoption becomes a no-lose proposition.
Cash is king!
An Electric car is an oil well on wheels. An EV uses 3 times more petrochemicals to manufacture it than an ICE car. On top of this is the huge amount of fossil fuel used to extract the minerals for the battery.
It is a proven fact that electric cars produce more tyre dust because of their weight than ICE cars. Tyre dust is more dangerous than tailpipe exhaust. If all ICE cars are banned from the city centers as they say they may be, and only EVs are allowed in then they are replacing something that is even worse than tail-pipe emissions.
Biggest problem is people buying brand new cars full stop. anyone buying a second hand ICE or EV should be commended because both are pretty much the automotive equivalent of rescue puppies, simple as that. Stop wasting money to choose your car colour, chances are there is a second hand vehicle with the same spec you want anyway.
They all waste resources one way or another when new. (EVs aren't that bad compared to ICE either depending on how you look at the natural resource use over time)
We need Nuke power stations to be a thing again too.
EVs are for people who can see more than five minutes into the future or at least beyond their nose, they cost more to produce but ultimately use less over their lifetime, which in one case that I am watching just now is an 800K mile Tesla (there are ones with half the milage higher again), how many ICE cars have done that mileage BTW? Speaking as an X quarter of a million mile ICE BMW owner?
I'm at the point with EV shopping where I'm heavily considering just giving up on the idea of getting something that will work for long-distance trips, and sticking with a 'getting around town' vehicle. I can rent if I need to go farther. All the shiny, new options out there distract from the potential of a more sensible used buy - which for ICE vehicles is not a new concept but I think for EVs it's not usually considered. But for the environmentally conscious (or wallet conscious), it seems undeniably the better choice.
If I'm doing any road tripping, I want something comfy, I need adaptive cruise (I had it for a few years, now I can't live without it), and if it's an EV it suddenly needs long range and good charge speed, too. The entry price for that is high no matter where you look. But if I just need a car to do the basics, to get around town and be a minimal nuisance on my life, a cheap mid-2010's EV seems like a good choice. Even a 'terrible' 50 mile range would easily get any daily necessities done. And some of those are shockingly cheap. People want a car that can do everything. As someone still driving an old ICE, I want that too. But do I really need it? Do I need to spend so much more on the ability to drive long distances which I've historically only done once or twice a year?
I mean, under $10k and you get something that you never have to gas up, rarely needs any kind of maintenance (so long, Jiffy Lube), is fun to drive, and you get all the benefits of cheap insurance. Then you can spend the money you're saving on something nice to rent whenever you need to take a trip. Maybe rental EVs are becoming more of a thing, so I can live out the dream of cruising in an Ioniq 5 without having to commit more than a years' salary to living with it daily.
Seems like most of the time people talk about EVs, the sales pitch is always the new stuff, but I figure there's a valid space for something a lot more affordable. The Chevy Spark EV is really speaking to me, especially in the green color. But I live in an EV desert right now, so getting my hands on anything like what I'm thinking of is a tall order currently.
I think used Zoe ZE40 would tick all your boxes. I went used ZE50 for the slightly longer range and 50kw charging, and have gone South Coast to mid Scotland a few times with ease.
@@mgeorgeukyt Oh, probably helps if I mention I'm a USA user (RIP) so a lot of those really strong budget EVs haven't made their way here.
I hope you go for it. We have had a 'new' Nissan Leaf for 5 years, retaining my old Audi A6 for long-distance. Now we are 'busy retired', we are about to go for one,longer-range EV, and rent a car for the 1 or 2 big road trips we do a year. Free up garage space. Surprising to some, given dogs and grandchildren to cart around, we are v close to ordering Nissan Ariya Evolve long-range. We reckpong 290miles real-world. Test drive it if you can; rather more comfortable than Tesla Y.
chevy volt in US under 10k
Good for you, I think you've made the mental shift that many fail to do. An EV for your usual driving, and rentals (EV or ICE) for the occaisonal longer trip can work for many people. If more did that, it might make rental of long range EV's cheaper.
Ideally, I wouldn't own a car at all and could use shared 'transport as a service' EV's for all my trips - that doesn't exist in my location (New Zealand) yet, but is in a couple of our larger cities.
Ah, so regenerative breaking negates particulate emissions? Regardless of the method of slowing down, something has to stop those wheels turning an inertia driven machine, generating, you've guessed it, particulates, heavier, means more. Nothing is for free, it's physics, something has to wear away somewhere.
Can we get sited sources for everything? It will help with trying to convince others.
Blog post link with sources in the description. Judge for yourself their validity
"GOOGLE" for the win.
But, here's a start.
1) Graeme Cooper, National Grid head of future projects (or similar"..... "Expert"..... Interviews with Robert on this channel)
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2) Redwood Materials. Recycling.
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3) Tesla Impact Report. (Latest, April 2023)
Debunks "relative Carbon footprint" with actual "data".
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Etc
There are way to many people who belong to the "don't bother me with the facts, because I've made my mind up" crowd. Nothing you say or do, including posting links to sites which verify what you say, will change a thing.....
CAGW is a fraud. It is a globalist tactic to fool people into accepting this unreliable, expensive technology.
CAGW is about transferring wealth and power to the globalist ruling class, of course the average credulous type will lap it up.
This was an absolutely BRILLIANT informative video and I think one of the best from one of my favorite CZcams channels.
He Braggs about having 200 miles of range !!! We Believe We Believe We Believe
Arguing for EVs is what got me into uni to study environmental science 😂
Brilliant
Went electric 2.5 years ago, won't go back.
Won't or can't? 95% of ev's ever made are still on the road. The other 5% made it to the end of their journey.
Quite a bit of pent up frustration channelled into an excellent explanation video. Well done, Dan.
We are a 100% ev family and all these myths are exactly that. All positives no negatives for us would never go back to ICE.
I insured my EV for any driver, so that any of my friends can take it out for a spin and see if they are converted. It's a 2016 30kW Leaf Tekna that I've had since 2018. Many friends asked me how it was going over the years, how I charge it, range, costs, etc, and now many of those friends have switched to EV's. I doubt I'll ever change it in for something else, as it fits my needs perfectly.
Funny thing is that the Sodium - ion batteries will massively decrease the carbon footprint of new vehecles. Same goes with new el engines without rare materieals. And just one more thing Polestars are aiming for carbon neutrality for their vehicles not just from their manufacturing, but from their suppliers as well. Eat this Petrol lobby!
Ive owned an EV for 3 years now, love it. First time I heard these arguments IRL was yesterday out and about - it is surprising that these myths persist, "not able to tow" "low range" and "batteries are just as dirty" being the main ones...hats off to the fossil fuel company marketing and lobbyist campaigns. We need the opposite campaigns like this video but on an equal scale to the incumbents...
You can type, you just lose 2/3rds of usable range.
If you are not buying a premium EV they do have low range, look at the leaf or Mazda MX.
And batteries are dirty and carbon intensive.
So they're not myths
@@Robert-cu9bm Batteries are reusable. Even after they have seen a life in and EV they can be used elsewhere. You can only burn hydrocarbons once and they produce harmful products as a result. Just because a battery is carbon intensive does not mean the existing alternative is better.
The range bit I can understand as refuelling a combustion car is easy and fast. For most journeys an EV is fine especially if you can charge at home so never needing to go to a station to "fill up".
Yes cars for only 1% of the population worldwide, the cheapest EV car here on Europe is 20.000 euros and it has 120 km (75 miles) of range.
I am looking forward to more and better statistics about the reliability of electric cars compared to ICE. I am pretty sure that a motor with 1 moving part is going to live much, much longer than one with 1000.
Actually, there will be more than one moving part, if you count the bearings.... But still lots less than the thousands of parts in an ICE engine.
Remember it's not just the number of parts, but the environment in which they operate.
High temp, mechanical stress and corrosive fluids cause accelerated wear.
Not so in an EV drivetrain.
I know of a motor from 1827 that still works today, its in Budapest in the museum. Out tramways and electric post mobiles in Vienna had motors which were from the end of the 19th century and lasted till the 2000s. Modern electric motors in EVs will not last as long, their electronics will last no more than 20-25 years max.
The battery though has a finite time when it either stops working, the range is extremely low or it catches fire. To replace a battery on a, say ten year old car is not something I would even contemplate due to replacement cost, even if it only had one moving part, which it doesn't.
@@johncouriermeh Have you checked out the cost of a new engine for an ICE?
Well done on trying to counter the misinformation being spread by those who just repeat garbage from those with political and/or vested interests in fossil fuels. EV ecosystem is far from perfect but its become main stream very quickly. Battery life will soon exceed life of the vehicle and range will also match ICE.
Hertz car hire in the US has just dumped 20,000 Teslas citing high repair costs and poor resale values, watching this after two London electric buses have burnt to the ground in two days! And I live in a block of flats with about 30 cars outside, electrical charging is too expensive at public charging stations, most of which are not under cover, you can go and buy a McDonalds and a coffee whilst you are being ripped off!
Hertz dropped 20,000 EV's, 600 of which were Teslas that were being retired because of high mileage. The rest of the EV's were crappy Chevy Bolts, Nissan Leaf's and similar with poor reliability.
I'll tackle the Hertz argument here. Context matters a lot. Hertz bought a lot of Teslas but did not have a master service agreement with them. What were they using these cars for? Renting out to your average consumer? No. They used it as part of a deal with Uber for ride sharing. These vehicles as a result had significantly more wear than your average rental vehicle which is already more than your average consumer vehicle. Worse is that these Uber drivers largely don't know how to use and maintain EVs. These cars are also closer to the luxury line, meaning of course they're going to be more expensive to repair than say a Toyota or Honda with fewer places available to make specific repairs.
There are unique reasons why EVs make a lot of sense for Uber and other ride share drivers, but this is not a normal situation and such Hertz should have planned better around this.
- Master Service Agreement in place with Tesla
- Specific charging rules around their rentals
- Specific charging areas; these cars were not meant to be supercharged multiple times a day.
As for your other points:
Ask yourself why bus fires might be more common than car fires. Could it be a problem with a specific manufacturer?
And the one thing I will concede is that I tell most people if you don't have access to home charging, hold off on buying an EV right now. Public charging at the moment, at least in my estimation, is about convenience and shouldn't be relied on as a primary source of charging. Once this is more charging supply, maybe I'll move off that point, but as of today, I think that is pretty much the case.
@@TopGunZerospot on. Also hertz did also confirm that their Tesla fleet was being damaged at disproportionately high rates. Likely due to false confidence in the safety features. When ABS was first introduced to taxis in newyork on a trial, rear ending accidents actually increased. That’s because the drivers were told they had a shorter stopping distance. And the result was that they drove closer to the car infront, far to confident in the ABS’s effectiveness, and unaware of how reaction times affect your ability to stop.
Abs might be able to stop a car in less than 20 meters but it takes another 20 meters for your brain to register, respond, then move your foot and apply the brake.
So part of the problem here was also the Uber drivers themselves.
As an EV owner for the past 4 years, it's not all perfect. One of the biggest gripes?
Just one gallon of gas produces the exact same amount of power as 10 gallons of gas. So whether you have a full tank or empty tank, your car will always perform the same.
Contrast this to any EV, where you're getting a lower power output as the state of charge decreases. If you like driving your EV on track for instance, your day is essentially over when the car's SOC reaches just 50% as the pack voltage is nowhere near as high as it was at 90%.
Great video my 9 year old Zoe is still pootling about town quite happily. I'm lucky to be able to charge at home (for free when the sun shines) but would struggle with the lack of local public charging. We really need governments to sort things out with the infrastructure.
For a second I thought you were talking about your 9 y.o. kid and I was like "YOU LET YOU 9Y.O. DRIVE ????!!!"
Definitely agree about public charging. There is so much emphasis on fast/ultra fast charging, but if local authorities provided "at cost" or "nearly cost" roadside slow charging, the stress on fast chargers could be reduced to near zero.
I recognise that there is a very small percentage of people who really do need to travel more than 400km in a day, but because there isn't much in the way of slow charging anywhere, those that don't have access to home charging then do have to fast charge, which is utter madness.
@@justaguy6216 I thought he was talking about the child that mined his cobalt and lithium and was quite surprised they were still alive at 9 years old to be honest!
@@asambrook76 HAHAHHA
This is something that helps clear out my doubts. The the few concerns I have is apart from not having charging available at home, throughout the whole city, I saw only 1 rapid harging station and everywhere else are slow chargers that range from 3-7 kw. There are 22kw chargers, but being AC, affordable EVs can only take advantage of up to 7 kw. I hope there would be more EV chargers where I live.
Excellent video. I recently went from a plug in hybrid to a full EV so had the stepping stone experience some people may need. Hated having to use the petrol engine as the electric was so much smoother and quieter. Now on salary sacrifice which makes running an EV even more affordable.
I had to google 'salary sacrifice' as I live in the USA/am ignorant. Sounds like a good idea!
@@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou It's probably a UK specific thing but is a great way for any employee to get into an electric car.
More affordable for you, but pity the poor taxpayers who are paying for your indulgence. And they have no choice in the matter.
@@clives4501 UK gov has subsidised the UK Oil and Gas industry for decades - since the Paris Agreement they've provided a smidge under £14 billion to Oil and Gas - who is paying for that? Us poor taxpayers.
Not saying that you are wrong by the way, the UK tax payers are indeed subsidising the EV salary sacrafice, but we're also paying way way more towards Oil and Gas... :(
@O F Thanks OF. Before we get too much into the weeds it would be helpful if you would cite your source of stat's. Happy to validate them and respond.
We’d a 10-month wait for our Tesla. Was worth every single day.
Really good content as ever. Perhaps you should do a once a month FUD busting episode. 👍
AKA "the Tesla method"? 😉
(Just don't tell Robert)
I didn't see any evidence in this video. Rare metals aren't rare? Um ok then.
@@BombSpongeResearch it more if you don't believe it. Rare earth metals ironically aren't that rare, it's true.
@@wemakecookie If they're not that rare, why are there so few mines?
@@BombSponge If you read about them, everywhere it will say they're relatively abundant. We have more than enough available in reserves and I'm sure we'll discover even more. We don't have more mines because we only mine as much as is needed. As demand increases, mining will increase as well.
Well done. Factual and clear.
Most useful video this channel made. This guy needs to be the main
These very large roll-on / roll-off Car Vehicle Transporter Vessels design, will need to be review in light of all these Fire and Sinking's which are happening too.
Or the vessels being so badly damaged and destroyed, they have to be turn into scrap metal basically!
Their designs especially require being internationally review, of Fire Safety and Fire Fighting by such a small crew onboard too. Or last over carrying Electric Vehicles, or Hybrid Electric vehicles.
Should EV's and HEV's be carried, in specialised Fire and Water Proof Armoured Shipping Containers, with built in Automatic Fire Suppression or Flooding Systems.
With each specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Container, having both built in CCTV and built-in Fire Smoke Gas Dectection Sensors and Audio Visual Alarms too.
With cameras and sensors both linked to the bridge, or a Fire Safety Monitoring Station (which is manned 24/7/52) from each Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers being carried onboard too.
Which if one of these Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers, would automatically be flood if the EV or HEV stored inside burst into flames and was on Fire , stopping or delaying any Fire spreading out of control to other vehicles.
Or any EV Fire spreading out of control, to other areas and decks of the Roll-on / Roll-off Vehicle Transporter Vessel too.
Or spreading to other of these Specialised EV Fire Suppression Shipping Containers onboard a vessel too.
As well as transporting not connected or disconnected Electric Battery Energy Packs, in shipping Containers as well. Whether these Electric Battery Energy Packs, either powering Electric Devices, Equipment and Systems, or any kind of Electric Vehicles too.
It is one way to stop EV Fires onboard vessels, spreading out of control, which a small number of ships crew of these Roll-on / Roll-off Vehicle Transporter Vessel , can clearly handle!
Suggestion by yours truly Gurkhamum Wendy and Wheelchaircharlie39 David, We would not touch an EV, because of the Fire Risk also because we are Disabled too!
There was a video on Environmental Coffeehouse about Windyday Concept.
Thanks to Robert for providing much of the information, and thanks to the IEA and the OECD for providing evidence of their complicity in blocking the EV market.
Thanks for introducing me to Environmental Coffee House. In return allow me to introduce you to "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. I'd be interested to see your comments if you view the doco. Also I'd be happy to comment on Windyday Concept if you are interested in the views of a climate change sceptic with an open mind.
Great video. It would have been good to mention there's the full referenced article in the caption!
I found myself questioning the "16,000 miles" payback on emissions statement, but having read up on the literature referenced I can see why this is totally plausible. I do feel it's probably a little optimistic still currently, but even at 30 to 50,000 miles with a lifespan of >>100,000 miles and all the other co-benefits from air pollution to fossil fuel reduction, it's still an absolute no-brainer!! Thanks for bringing this reference to my attention! :)
Thank you so much too many people trash the EVs and here in Australia we are so far behind 🙏🏼
it's soooo frustrating
I hate EV so much. EV are junk, garbage. Up to 25% of EV blow up within 1 year. Junk.
I would add a few things.
1. Vastly reduced air and noise pollution is not only great for public health and the Planet; home owners currently close to busy roads will find the value of their property increasing significantly in relative terms in years to come.
2. Li S battery technology will not only eliminate the need for cobalt and nickel mining and therefore be significantly cheaper to make but will increase the range to something like 500-1000 miles. No more range anxiety and indeed a much reduced need for en route chargers at all. Sodium batteries currently in development may even remove the need for lithium altogether.
3. When all or most cars are EVs that will represent a huge amount of electrical storage capacity, much greater than current pumped storage capacity in the UK. That means that the current approx. 20% of electricity generated by renewables at low demand times, like night time, will no longer need to be wasted as it is at the moment. That will (or should) work through as cheaper per unit electricity for everyone.
4. High insurance costs will come down once there is sufficient data to show actuarially that EVs are less claim generators than ICEs.
5, Even if all electricity was made by burning oil in power stations, which it is not, you would still get around twice the mileage for every gallon burned in an EV than you would by putting it into an ICE.
Gold standard material here! Very well done!
If you are truly interested in gold standard material you may find it worth while Googling "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. If you do watch it I'd be very interested in your comments.
@@clives4501 I have a documentary called "John Stossel is a lying psycho and always has been" id be very interested to hear your opinion about that
@Lone Wolf I understand that Stossel has controversial views that many will find to be unpalatable. However I'm unable to find the video you refer to. Perhaps you can provide further info which would enable me to track it down. Unlike many, I am not afraid of the truth.
How is lithium mined? How will batteries be disposed? What is the source of electricity for charging? I’m curious to know how to debunk such arguments.
Rare earth mining is a mess. Seen it in proper developed nations, not those third world ones. My country has gone into it and it’s most ‘interesting’ for the environment.
I'm sending this to my Dad! AND his dinosaur chums!! This is a perfect explanation thank you so much! I made an EV education playlist, but it was so long I don't think he ever watched it as he still regurgitates the lies dished up in the media. Keep up the good work!!
Please stop talking nonsense over and over again!!!! Oil is mostly vegetables not dinausors wtf!!!! Also your tesla is about 40% made of it! Even SpaceX has to burn tons of it to launch rockets and much more.
The one argument that's difficult to refute at the moment is that "if a BEV does catch fire, it's impossible to extinguish. The fire service just have to let it burn or bury it".
I've heard this from firemen so this is official policy.
You may hate being on camera and in the spotlight in general Dan, but this is an excellent summation of EV's and the reality of the sustainable transition.
I'll be permanently saving this in my CZcams renewable energy playlist in order to share it with naysayers and the curious alike, alongside Robert's - The Dirty Truth About Combustion Engine Vehicles.
Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing. Have you tried googling "the truth about ev's" or similar?
@@clives4501 Not confirmation bias. Merely a combination of making a point to listen to the experts and witnessing what's happening before my very eyes; not difficult. Besides, if that's your attitude, why on earth watch CZcams channel that's about all things sustainable and the energy transition? Very illogical.
@@clives4501 "Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing" - yup. It makes people like you continue to write utter bollocks, flying in the face of every available fact.
@@pinkelephants1421 Thanks Pink Elephants. Even experts differ. That is the nature of debate. To expose oneself to alternative views and contrary opinions is fundamental to understanding the world we live in. I am interested in sustainability and energy transition. Not to bolster my own beliefs and ego, but rather to learn from others who may offer a rational and contrary argument. You may find that approach to be illogical - that's OK. You are entitled to your opinion and to trust the opinions of your chosen experts. I do not seek to change your mind or to alter any of your views. I am a firm believer in the Socratic method.
@@clives4501 👍👍👍👌👌👌
I do get that EVs are better than ICEs. My beef is that they are talked about/promoted as a total solution when they share most of the negative attributes of a privately owned car. If we take the global warming emergency seriously then changing transport mode to much less invasive methods is essential: urban walking and cycling, and urban and inter urban mass transport. EVs have a future, but there need to be far fewer of them than the 1.5 billion cars that exist currently on our planet.
Unfortunately, private car ownership is a legacy of government policy in the 1960s, which, after the Beeching report, more than 4,000 miles of rail was shut down. Public transport has lacked investment for decades ever since it was mostly privatised in the 80s and 90s.
Private car ownership is a highly flawed model with cars being parked 96% of the time and people sitting in traffic for an average of 115 hours a year. From a pollution point of view, EVs are most certainly cleaner, especially in urban areas, but as you say, they also create many of the same issues as ICE cars.
I am pretty sure I was told every single one of those statements and was able to counter most of them. There will always be a few holdouts but we've been giving rides and let people drive our electric cars since our first one (2015) and have converted (or at least made people consider converting ) from ICE to EV.
If not global warming will melt all the ICE (they are gone either way).
Dam right, you tell them. My sister-in-law and I convinced my wife to buy an electric vehicle. So in my household we have an electric and a gas powered car. So I can tell you for certain that EVs are extremely cheap in the long run. Every month I pay around $340 in gas, my wife pays max including the odd charge at a shopping center. Under $30 dollars a month. So it is true that the upfront cost is expensive. However, the usage cost is substantially cheaper. All costs are in Canadian dollars. We have had the electric car for 3 years, my next car is going to be electric. 100%
They are quieter and smoother, which is virtually never discussed. They get *better mileage*(sic) in stop-n-go traffic. They don't drip fluids on the road, and don't require oil-changes. I guess it depends on what you call rubbish. Oh yeah, and you don't have to worry about your catalytic converter getting stolen.
Your arguments are rubbish and so are you.
True, once you’ve gone Électrique you won’t go back - no way. 😮😅
More of this Dan, to the point & direct.
Perhaps so Johnathon but you may find it worth while Googling "Electric Cars: Inconvenient Facts, Part One" and also Part Two. It's an excellent doco by John Stossel. If you do watch it I'd be very interested in your comments.
@@clives4501 what you’re suggesting is known as confirmation bias.