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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Pliyo (a Whale) talks about the existing challenges of Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis.
ABOUT THE GAME:
Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisis is free and I love it! Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisis It's a gacha, free-to-play RPG for mobile phones released on September 7, 2023. Developed by Applibot and published by Square Enix. The game is set to adapt the events of the various titles in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII.
You will get to experience a completely new story with First Soldier: Glenn, Lucia, Matt and Sephiroth, and only because of that is already worth playing.
The game is set to follow a chapter based structure, with monthly chapter releases after launch. Ever Crisis adapts the events of Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Before Crisis -Final Fantasy VII-, Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-, Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII-, Final Fantasy VII The First Soldier and more events in the chronology of the Compilation
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:26 First problem
1:25 Why Stamina is a problem?
3:13 Second problem
4:42 What do I think about the longevity of the game?
6:30 How do you deal with game closing?
9:06 Gacha games can hurt you
11:40 How they could fix the game?
13:55 Outro - Hry
Final Fantasy VII Stamina Crisis
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I dont have problems with stamina.
My problem is not having anything to do. Would be nice to have a permanent side content that is unending not consuming stamina. Like mini-games.
I have no rush to upgrade Shiva or Leviathan.
With booster packs, can finish the event pretty quickly. So saving stamina pots is easy.
Whales on the other hand wants everything done. So I would understand some players disappointed on amount of stamina used for the Summons and not enough stamina to finish the event. Which there is a lot of time to do so.
The game should increase the weekly login rewards based on current update. If they add another Summon or level cap that'll require tons of stamina, they should increase stamina regen and the stamina cap to accommodate new players. To include increasing exp received for them to catch up quickly.
I loved your comment but got distracted with work and forgot to reply! I would loooove to see that they adapt Stamina Regeneration based on events, I’m happy with how many stamins pots they give us recently, feel to have addressed some of my concerns, but still what you said is 1000% true!
I would like an option for a no stamina use for coop, but no benefits such as no experience, gil, nor coop medals, etc. I am a veteran-ish player who wouldn't mind to carry new players. I have spent some stamina carrying, but having a no stamina option would be ideal for this purpose.
I would loooove this!! This is such a great idea! And it’s one of the things I’m missing the most, this is where most of my stamina goes, here and grinding summons haha
I have about 23 lv 90 weapons, about 9 lv 110 weapons, and 4 lv 120 weapons. My HW just got to lv 41 today, with lv 30 eng and prop, and lv 40 stab. I also have crafter less than 3k materia. I've played since day 1 and have over 3 mil Gil, and if I don't use 9 Stam pots today, they'll expire... it's not an issue with the game. It's an issue with how the game is approached...
Levi will come to Co-Op where we'll get way more mems than we need; HW is meant to be a long, drawn-out process; and having more than 15 lv 110 weapons doesn't make much sense since anything above 80 uses limited resources and will be powercrept anyway.
The game is fine how it is and actually seems very generous compared to other gachas.
Sephi hit for 227k 😮
I saw that. Weapon must be at OB2, minimum. :)
Haha both weapons are OB 10🚀🚀 (Dark Heavens + Shinra Military Sword). As secondaries I’m using Ultimatic, Guide Gloves and Enemy Launcher! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
To preface this, I'm F2P and have been playing Ever Crisis since its release.
There's a lot of problems Ever Crisis has and its showing now more than before because the requirements to grind for everything is only going up and there's no feasible way to grind for gil beyond the daily missions and the occasional events and there's just not enough stamina pods to grind because the requirements to grind for summons are WAY too steep. Crazy that the daily missions were recently upgraded and its nowhere near enough.
What also sucks for F2P players and new players is that there's no sign that returning costumes are ever coming back and that there's been no F2P costumes after Vivi's Costume for Lucia. It also hurts that we haven't had a new Crisis Dungeon since Corel Prison. It's painful to see the returning VH Crisis Dungeons come back given they're completely worthless to go back to after the first S+.
I'm dealing with stamina and gil problems as F2P between grinding for three different summons for Ifrit/Bahamut weapons, memory to level up summons/to better deal with ex1/2, leveling Highwind, leveling weapons and grinding the new event.
The grind for the Noble Memory on Shiva and Leviathan is beyond brutal and it sucks that this is going to continue with Ifrit and Ramuh.
Sure I'm not in a rush to fully upgrade the summons to max, but I also don't want to wait half a year because the amount of Noble Memory required is excessive.
The fact that you're having similar problems as a whale terrifies me. I thought that this problem was primarily a F2P/new player problem. Looks like I was horribly mistaken. I hope they make some more quality of life changes sooner rather than later otherwise people might start leaving which will be bad for everyone enjoying Ever Crisis.
Not saying that Ever Crisis is dying, rather that these red flags have been around for a while. Some were remedied for a while(primarily stamina), but are now back with the grinding requirements going up, but the amount of gil/tonics the game gives wasn't proportionally increase enough.
i started a little after the half-anniversary and felt the same way about the costumes and LB weapons. i was very sad/disappointed that i missed out, especially after finding out that costumes have never had a re-run or way to re-obtain them. i quickly got over it as i've played enough gachas to know that they will eventually be power crept anyway (at least you can still use them for skins at least so it's not a complete loss for the OG players)
A good way to grind gil is during an exchange event. We always have the exchange for gil, one for 1k that is limited and the other is for 10gil/exchange item that is unlimited. So once you farm out everything for the cheap exchange you want start exchanging it all for gil. You can grab an easy 10k a day usually just off of the daily free battle they have implemented since you usually get 500 from both difficulties. Then, most likely youre still trying to farm out the rest of the rare item exchanges so you wind up with alot of extra cheap exchange items and those will add up and exchange for gil x10.
This is the best way to grins for gil but its opportunistic.
@@shinmalestat9272 Yeah I did grind for that last event and I'm now broke again between the Highwind and grinding for weapons. Just waiting for the Bomb event at this point to grind gil. It's when the event leaves and there's nothing like it is where the problem lies. Also the fact that the stamina pods at the shop are heavily overpriced makes it not stamina efficient after a certain point. I thought I over did it too, but I was broke a few days after lol.
@@BObako You got to do it every event you can.
After I did it the first time it really helped put me ahead but gil began to run low again. Then after the next event and most of my weapons were leveled I was able to really stockpile.
Honestly, its not a shortage of gil we have but a lack of prioritizing. You have to pick and choose what you focus on one or things at a time. But we're gamers and we want to do it all Now. lol
I have no stamina issue because i dont farm the summons, and i dont farm because i dont want to run into stamina issue.
And when it comes to Gil i stopped going all the way on shop items or refreshing chocobo pages....basically the less i play the less issues i have with this game😅
Same, no stamina and no gil. Bomb event should drop nice gil. Just hope they gift us stam pots this week
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on those topics Pliyo! You have a very mature & wise approach towards the game and spending on it - very similar to mine. I am lucky to be able to afford to spend more than a battle pass and i do it because i want to see the game grow and live for many years to come. Love FF7.
Appreciate you, man!! Thanks a lot for your questions and commenting on the video. I love the game and I can’t wait for Vincent to drop, long live FF7!! 🚀
I had a few dips in Stamina over the months, but if anything, I've got too much of it. I spent all of my reserves during the half-Anniversary but now I've got 200 pots in the bank. I've got nothing to spend them on; all my weapons are max level (without spending Mythril) and I have 700 of each tier 2 cube/pod, 750 of each Synth material, and 40k Memory Pieces. The only reason I've farmed so much was due to Stamina expiring after 30 days. Prior to that, I've only really spent on the Boost Pass about 7 times.
Being gil poor sucks though, happened once too. I had to change focus for a month and work on some better habits but now I'm back to a few million gil. I don't nearly have that much Mythril though.
If I have any advice to offer anything, focus on the Highwind and (almost) nothing else; those gains are exponential. And I dunno, are you running Co-op on x9? If you low on Stamina, perhaps just a single lap per run? Even those "Complete 20" Campaign Missions only count x9 as a single attempt.
My problem is that i forgot to use my stamina pots, so they get auto deleted insted 😅
Gotcha games put content that is like long, long marathon running - there is start, there is an end and there is a LONG road. It is in a human nature that we want from the very start to be at end, so this how they they milk money - by giving you `stimulants` so you can run faster. Here by giving I mean you pay for these.
Like in real marathon, what you will do to prolong the running? You put obstacles! In games we call them `gate-keepers` - insuring longevity by no matter what you do, you cant rich the end (by sprinting, in short time).
So I would suggest to everybody to play these games the same way you do a marathons - you put just enough energy so you will be able to rich the finish line. It is not a PvP - who will reach first! The entertainment is in participating and sharing that experience with others. Dont over-burn your 'energy' by sprinting.
P.S. I'm F2P since day 1, I have 99 pots always + 200-300 pots that I can consume if I need short sprints (usually on events, the last bonus event I did like 200 pots). I have 1mil Gil. My Highwind is level 40. I have beaten almost everything in the game (except few EXs). And I'm ready to do short sprint on Bomb event that we expect in few hours :)
I feel you I'm in the same situation but without spending money need to either farm levi/shiva or level characters in the bomb event or get the tickets in the other event and I'm also out of mats to level my weapons right when the give us a huge amount of mythril ore. after grinding 3 characters to level 80 I'm left with 99 stamina pots and just finished both ex2 shiva and levi but am stuck at the same crossroads where if I grind one of them then I have no stamina to play the game at all.
We are so on the same boat!! : (
Why is gil an issue? I have way too much, granted I don't have that many OB10. Do you cactuar farm?
Gil is an issue as soon as you start leveling all your weapons to level 70 or more, and as soon as you start levelling the Highwind. If you ignore those, then gil is fine!
I've been approaching leveling up my summons when there aren't any events that require stamina. I agree that the new summon materials' droprate is rather stingy, however it appears to be the true "endgame" content and not at all necessary at the moment.
As a player that only purchases battle passes, I've managed to clear all of the content released thus far, not including the first solo run Sephiroth EX2 and Iron Giant EX2.
I cactuar farm all of the content I possibly can, and have around 4 million gill. This really helps stretch out your 12 daily stamina pots.
The last event with the event weapon ticket vouchers really washed my resources. I managed to get both event weapons OB10 and all 500 of the weapon tickets, but at one point, it was taking around 10 stamina pots (or more) just to get 1500 resources for an event weapon, granted that I didn't pull on the Tifa/Zack banner.
Now, I'm back up to 160ish stamina potions, and intend to use them on the upcoming golden bomb event.
I'm really enjoying the new Highwind farming mechanism added to the game. I haven't overboosted any of my relics yet, but I am sitting on around 120 resources when content eventually drops that I'm struggling with. This mechanic is a nice QoL implement, especially for lower spenders.
In summary, I don't have too many complaints at the moment. I think it's deliberate they are bottlenecking our progression, and I think it's fine.
Let’s just say that I just want more game in my game. There is no point whaling in a game where whatever you whale for you use for half a battle a day. There should be content we play for free, like the EX fights. We should get weekly and monthly dungeon resets. And so on.
As for whaling, as you know I am one of those, all I can say is this: There is no point for Seph to “hit like a truck” if the thing you are hitting is either one shot, or deliberately resisting what you just bought, because we want to push the next banner (they made an Earth/water event with ALL previous Earth and Water builds nerfed, pushing specifically for physical Earth and magical Water, which incidentally is the thing offered in the last two banners… and we ended up getting top 10 via cat crit…). I understand them wanting to create incentives for people to pull, but you know what is the best incentive? Having A GAME. Half a battle isn’t a game.
And it is becoming tiresome… very tiresome… tiresome = loss of incentive to spend. So, if they decided they don’t like money anymore…
PS: the game is almost a year old and we STILL can’t get old costumes… this is… I don’t even know what this is. We got Leviathan and all the people that joined via Steam, I guess screw them. SEA players? What players?…
Look, tldr we play less so we complain more. Here is a way to shut us up: give game content in the game and let us play it. Even if we don’t like some parts we will at least be playing instead of bitching about whatever it is that nag us more. And chances are, if we are playing, some of us will spend as well… not playing is definitely not the way for anyone to spend on any game, so… I don’t understand how this is so difficult of a concept to grasp in an era where there are 2582829495 different games and we ALWAYS can play something else, so it would be to advantageous to keep us in your game.
We shall see…. But my patience is getting thin with this “game”.
Honest question: streamers may lack enough tonics since they play with the community, help other players clear hard content, etc, but how is stamina an issue for "normal" players? I'm a day one player, been logging in everyday (3 times per day when my stamina is capped) and usually using a few tonics per day, like 3 to 6 a day (less then we get daily just for from logging in) is more than enough to clear event shops, summons, campaign objectives, premium quests, etc. Events now have the "1/day" solo missions that help clearing the shops, so... how are people spending so much stamina? Where are those tonics going? I'm not being sarcastic, it's an honest question.
That aside, I agree with a lot of what Pliyo said about the longevity of the game. Since they went through the trouble of creating a teaser trailer for a season 2 of The First Soldier story, I don't believe the game will be shut down any time soon, but still.... they do have to up their game (no pun intended). There's still so much left to release, especially for those of us who were first interested in the game because of the promise to release every compilation title as a playable game, so I still want to see Dirge, Advent Children and Before Crisis. There's so much potential there... I just feel like they are taking this side of the game WAY too slow. I wouldn't mind the "Ever Grind" if story content was released more often.
i only blame myself because for months i had unlimited stamina . i spent almost all of them to max shiva when i didn't really need to and since then , haven't been able to recover. it felt like leviathan came kinda too soon just after ex2 shiva so then i had to resort to stamina pass to max leviathan . not that im complaining in any way , i just didn't get lucky like i did on ifrit bahamut grind. i was getting cactuars left and right , but shiva's farm was a diff story, almost no cactuars
How many potions have you spend to max her out?
@@lordraider5562 have no idea , but it was well over almost half what i saved for months
This is it, thank you! I was actually thinking about how would the game be for people like you, because we grinded similarly!
I maxed Shiva today and I’m half way through Leviathan. Are we to blame? Maybe! But in the past we were able to do this with BahaFrit, so it feels weird for me that now the grind is so intense and the stamina pots are so low 😣
I think the easiest fix to this would be giving better reward for the quest. For example doing leviathan vh3 for 180 stamina we get on average like 30-40 node crystal and we need like 10k to max 🙄. I know we don’t need to max immediately but that’s a lot of stamina to get it max out and that’s for one summon we have like 6. Whales and new players don’t really have a problem with this since whales can buy more and new players aren’t strong enough. Stamina issue mainly effects people who’s in the middle where we are strong enough for things but are running out of stamina since the reward to stamina usage don’t feel balanced out. Like having used 999 stamina and I’m just about a quarter of away to leviathan lvl6 nodes 🙄. Now I’m running out of saved stamina tonics and that’s only for one summon there’s 5 more 😭
100% agree with all your points of stamina and gil being a huge problem. people will more than likely quit due to being unable to keep up/catch up, especially the people who are just getting into the game. having to carefully decide on what you want to spend your stamina on for the day does not feel good in the slightest. i agree that the balance of time spent in game is way too low; hopping on to collect your expeditions and burn your stamina on 1 thing of your choosing really kills the fun. we definitely need a gil farming solo mission as well as a rework to the stamina system.
there is not a problem ,at least for me. I got 99 tonics since the begin plus a hugh list of rewards to take. Also Im playing every day. I recomend you to just play few weeks only with the stamina that you got , and all the rewards you get for missions just save it
For me they should change the normal grind to free or infinite use and those stamina bottle should be on Coop. That will benefit most of the starting players like me, especially the recent level 80 cap up.
But that's only me. 😊
I would like this option as well. We need something to help new players or the game will dry out!
Your perspective is very interesting, Pliyo! I'll be honest: one thing that has bothered me about your strategy is how you've tended to pull for weapons while skipping some costumes. IMHO, this game doesn't give us much reason to pull past the costumes on any banners. Costumes are the first priority for crystal pulls, and weapons are a very, very distant second.
I have a $50 account, and I started playing about three weeks after release. The only content I haven't cleared yet is Shiva EX2 and Leviathan EX1&2. (I think I can take Lev EX1, but haven't seriously tried yet.) I have Bahamut EX2 done, Bahamufrit EX2 done, and I cleared the recent Turks crash battles in both solo and random coop. I'm pretty sure I can take the upcoming Gallonbaloir Humus crash in both solo and coop, but that remains to be seen. I've scored top 100 in the last five ranking events, so I've gotten the full material rewards from them. I've temporarily felt starved for gil recently, but I've never really felt starved for stamina. I have three 5* weapon vouchers saved for an "emergency."
Therefore, from my perspective, a mere $50 lets you clear almost everything if you're diligent. If you want to spend less time on planning (which is totally reasonable), or you started later, then it might cost you a little more. I wouldn't fault anyone for spending their hard-earned cash on something like this as long as they actually earned it themselves, and as long as they're not neglecting other duties such as family or charitable giving. Square created the best video game of all time (FF7, obviously), so I have no regrets when some of my moolah ends up in their pockets.
Payneblade has covered spending irl money on gatcha games in general, & in FFVIIEC… And you covered many of his points.
I too am dissatisfied with certain item farming/grinding to earning ratios that can get us more rewards (which leads to dopamine &/or happy brain chemical addiction, thereby dedication to playing the game), & wish we could go back to days of & before the Golden Bomb event. Pickings have been getting slimmer & slimmer since.😔
Also, I agree with you on Applibot listening to the players - especially now when First Soldier’s story revealed some big lore drops that are Rebirth relevant, EC is all we’re potentially getting between now & the 3rd FFVII Re-title game, & when is Applibot going to have another partnership project with a company as big as SquareEnix if they don’t listen to us players & let this flop?
Don't have problems with stamina but I also haven't farmed anything I don't need. I think I still have 50+ stamina pots, only thing I farm ATM is the coop medals if needed
I do agree about the gold though
Edit: forget what I said, as a whale, thank you for your contributions on the game, we are not the same 👏👏👏
Im a f2p yet I feel this... everytime that I ve got to do something I have to think in stamina... Cant buy nothing yet I really dont care complete the meta or hardest diifficult but if they dont allow me to just farm stuff cause stamina makes me feels this game is not good.... I I were a new player probably just quit cause the grind behind stuff is annoying like the memory system... for max a character you need to spend real money or wait like a month to farm all those memories
(not to mention the gil) I managed to accumulate 500k because they gave 700 a short time ago, and I don't upgrade because otherwise I'll end up like you, again
I hear ya….there are WAY TOO MANY stamina sinks now. And it will only get WORSE with future summons until they retool the cost of new growth streams
Agree with you)and Gil is a problem too for me..
you can easily complete the event only with the stamina that recharges itself, at least that's how I do it, and I arrive just to get all the daily mission tickets, and I usually do this until the last few days, then we'll do the little bit that's missing with the stamina bottles, it has always worked for me, also because being almost ftp we don't buy the stamina pass and I only have the 12 they give daily, so I usually have to do nothing for a week to get to 80 bottles and then as you say in an hour to finish them to maybe take the objects to bring a weapon to 90, that's the big problem, the amount of stamina needed to take for example 30 genopods or as I know they call, so either we start giving pou rewards, or more stamina, because that way it's unmanageable... that is, I've been playing for 5 months and I still have half a box of weapons to bring to lv80
Yeah I see your point and agree that we can complete the event easy with the stamina that they will give for free! My problem is that I started levelling up plenty of weapons, plus grinding non stop so now I’m forced to chill ahha, it’s probably a me problem, but before we were able to do it and now we aren’t since they introduced Shiva EX 2 + Highwind.
@@pliyo no but maybe I explained myself badly, I agree with you, as I wrote, I also finish all the stamina in an hour or so, but for the reason I explained above, too few rewards and too many stamina spent for a game, and for what they give you as a reward, not to mention that 12 stamina per day is nothing
who defend this need to open his eyes... with an expired data on stamina pots in 1 months is not possibile have 35 000 stamina for finish the summon when coop arrive even if u start to hoard stamina for 1 months by only collected that at day (and u can t do this cos u need to grind other event or stuff ).. and now every summon will hit lv 10 at release plus the old one
it s 18 000 stam at months only collected and not using for recharge (and we can t do this)
Thanks a lot, man! Really appreciate you seeing this. It seems some people don’t see the problem, maybe because they don’t grind as much? I’m not sure, but I’m glad to see we are on the same team!
@@pliyo people don t see cos they continue defending the indifendibile cos is ff ... but this is a gacha not final fantasy...
they just want people to swipe in this game, but comparetively to the top selling gachas. they are going about it in the actual most backward way, but creating a stamina shortage and hindrance of playtime, to make you consider swiping for the stamina pass which arguably those passes are scams and should just be in the monthly seasonal pass. if all the passes were in one singular 20$ pass it would be worth it. but low and behold Applibot cant run a game for shit. see Nier Reincarnation for example.
Hello bro, I have a few ideas and suggestions. How about the next content you create about tips and tricks for newbies as F2P players 😊
Noted!! Will do that shortly!! 🙌🏼
you probably used all stamina on enhancing quest or events to get Gold, i dont really have stamina issues but I still hasnt maxed out Summons. Gold issue is real though, last 2 days I couldn't upgrade Highwind and didn't refresh/cleared Gold Shop as I used to do normally. Did event coop fights just to get 2,700gold for 180stamina
Yeah my problem was that I went too deep into the summons (Leviathan and Shiva), luckily now this problem is almost gone since they added a lot of Stamina Pots! Maybe they listened???
No idea what you're talking about... most stamina end up timing out in mail.
Ever Crisis always felt more like a psychological experiment to test how stingy it can be than a game. But it has got even worse recently.
Gimmie gil gimmie pots we’re starving applibot sort it out 😅😂
Im a new Player. Not going lie it been some what hard to get thow some things but that a dif story. But a lot of this looks like new game farly new and haveing some growing problims or someing but I seen your vedo. My be they well see this and fix some things it would be grat to help people with out cuting in to stock of stma. But im to new to know thes things.
Not long ago they have dropped 777.777 GIL. It didnt last long. I hit the same borders like you pliyo. 😅 No free daily draws is crazy too. It turned into a pay for everything.
It seems like they are cycling free draws with free tickets
I don't have Stam issues at all. I have like 200+ pots in my mail. I don't know what you guys are spending Stam on.
Same for gil, Im sitting at 3.2m ATM.
Hunteeeer!!! In summary, Shiva grind and Leviathan grind were a big mistake or a big investment (depending on how we look at things haha). Also since Highwind released, trying to get all weapons to level 70 at least with all units have been a big investment as well, so that’s the stamina + gold sink.
If we ignore those, then everything is fine and resources are plenty!
@@pliyo Makes sense, as me not being a whale my Shiva and Leviathan grinds were not that bad as I can't beat the harder stages to unlock more of the board.
I like games that have play limits. Some lobbies get full, so a way for everyone to get to play is you can’t play infinitely. So you are complaining that you are spending money and buying everything and you don’t have free range to unlock everything in one go. Boy sit down go outside……there are plenty of games that have unlimited stamina, like last Cloudia
I think whales should be able to play 8-10 hours a day if they want.
Absolutely agree!
the problem is they never listen
150000 gems = a% = you rich
GIVE ME YOUR GEEEEEEMS
They are miiine! My treasure! Golum! Golum!
@@pliyo Gollum😂😂
PLIYOOOOOO!
TONYYYY !! ♥️
I have two accounts, one is free to challenge. And another account to support games as needed may be added as a season pass.
Not to be a dick but it sounds like youre bad at resource management.
Like, this game isnt made for sitting on it for hours at a time but instead piecing together progression from day to day. Even as a whale, as you have unintentionally pointed out, there is only so much you can do in a day.
Personally, I run two accounts, one is a minnow account, I spend 30$ a month and the other is f2p. The f2p is suffering on the stamina pots but thats because Ive still several weapons to build.
The other is backlogged with pots because most content is done and most of my stamina dumps into events.
So, there is plenty of stamina between the regen rate (30/hour) and the daily pots. And honestly as a whale Im confused on what content you could really need to farm other than gil, which is easy during an exchange event.
Stamina system is ass
Thta's a you issue. Stop refreshing for useless stuff. The game isn't build to play for multiple hours.
Told u
The game is like a slot machine.
If you want to play.... u need throw in a coin
I quitted
Last event sucked
Ouch.....You have been using all of your resources nonstop. I still have over 300 tonics and 5 million gil. Slow your roll for a week. I disagree with many of your points. The game requires resource management skills like any stamina based game. You have me scratching my head Pliyo.