I'm not Mormon but simply Christian and have had missionaries in our home and fed them dinner and one time venison. It was fun having a Japanese missionary eat deer meat and later show him the deer on the wall that he just ate. Nice people! I'm not sold on Joseph Smith story but I respect what they believe if it makes them good people.
It always cracks me up that you say you are Christian and do not believe in the power of God shown through men and women on Earth. What about the Bible? Do you believe all the “crazy” “outlandish” stories which are similar to that of Joseph Smiths experience? The Bible is filled with miracles and unbelievable stories. Why is it so hard for people to believe that God is still that same God? He has power STILL to do WONDROUS things. You wouldn’t believe in God even if He was standing right in front of you.
@@Ryanhelpmeunderstand I don't really believe in anything for sure but that Christ died for me. I don't want to get into our different beliefs. I choose to just get along with followers of Christ so we don't get into all the hear says and stories. Love is the answer. Saying I wouldn't know God is very aggressive after I invited Mormons into my home and fed them.
What I get from this is there is a future and we are looking forward with hope. Very important to consider when the world is filled with so much negativity.
This makes me SO EXCITED as a botanist!!! This is going to be spectacular for the surrounding environment!!! Oh how I wish I could have helped, but I'm so glad they did this!!!
I'm from upstate NY originally, and live in Washington state now. Palmyra is one of my favorite places in the world, and even though I know the area well and recognized it, the thing that struck me was that my immediate thought was "I know those trees..." And that is a very deep rooted kind of longing that I hadn't experienced before.
Left the church years ago but it’s sad to not be able to recognize the hill that I spent so many summers at, watching pageant, driving up the hill, enjoying picnics at its base and on the top
@LightofChristInUpstateNewYork Thank y💖u sooo much Sister's & Elder's & overseers helping out in all thee hard-work efforts you all were blessed to be apart of the preservation of the old trees that you all... Quote... "🎼Put your shoulders to the wheel"🎶... To help rebuild Thee Sacred & Holy site of Thee Hill Cumora 💖😇
So awesome. It’s been almost 30 years since my mission. Seeing these young missionaries is inspiring and gives me hope. Thanks for all of your efforts! ❤️ PS: if you find any plates or a sword, maybe just leave them there for now. 😊
Isn't most of the hill already covered with trees? It's really only about one-fourth of one side that was cleared for the pageant. They show that really old photo of it when it was completely cleared and used for pasture. But for most of the latter half of the 20th century up to the present, it's mostly been covered in trees. It's almost like they just want to make sure that nobody in the future gets any funny ideas about bringing the pageant back.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N you’re correct, the hill is mostly covered with trees, only the staging area has been clear of trees. It’s my understanding that the citizens of Palmyra dug the hill up looking for more buried “treasure”. And eventually used the hill for pasture. My guess is the hill is being reforested as a kind of “closure” for those who will miss the Pageant. czcams.com/video/4ELqqqyPTMw/video.html
@@UVJ_Scott Thanks for the link. That was beautifully filmed. I think you're right about the "closure" part. TBH, I still find it odd that something that was a treasured part of LDS cultural life since 1937 was just cancelled and, as far as I can tell, no particular reason was ever given for the cancellation. I even got curious and went back and read the official announcement that was made in October 2018 and it didn't even provide any express reason. There was sort of an implication that the pageants were somehow interfering with a "focus on the gospel", "sabbath worship" and "faith" and things like that, but that was not even made clear. The announcement just said that the pageants were being cancelled and the members were encouraged to focus on faith, gospel and sabbath worship.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N it was a wonderful missionary tool and impacted the lives of many members over the years. We had 2 referrals associated with the Hill Cumorah pageant and those 2 were baptized. I understand the reason for dropping the various Church sponsored pageants was money, the article I read said the Church spent over $1 million each year to produce the various pageants. I was in the pageant the two years I was serving in the Cumorah mission and my wife and I attended the pageant 8 years ago with my daughter and son in law when they were living in Virginia. Great memories.
What a fun and fulfilling project that must have been 😀💜 God bless and keep our Elders out there🫂🙏🏼 The Book of Mormon is true, the Old & New Testaments are true, the Doctrine and Covenants is true, and the Pearl of Great Price is true🤍🕊 As a matter of fact, I LOVE being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints because the Holy Spirit has testified to me OFTEN that the truth is found here. If a person can't see the light in these beautiful missionaries as they serve of their own free will🫂, then maybe it's time for a little self-tuning to the Spirit of God🌞🕊
Not to throw a wet blanket on anyone but the hill we call "Cumorah" is where Joseph retrieved the plates and not necessarily where the last Nephite/Jaredite battles were fought. Lest we get lost in our own folklore.
As far as I can tell, nobody knows. I was curious and even read the official announcement from the church concerning the discontinuation of the pageants (dated October 2018). But even the official announcement didn't give any reason. It just said that the church wants to encourage people to focus on gospel learning, building faith and sabbath worship. But it didn't say what those goals have to do with discontinuing the pageants. I guess they just don't want to spend money on the pageants because that is a type of thing that the little ordinary members enjoy. The priority should always be on spending things that the leaders enjoy and help enhance the leaders' impact, I guess.
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It could not be Covid. They announced the discontinuation of pageants in 2018. I guess it was to save money. I read the official announcement (dated October 27, 2018) and it didn't really give any reason that made any sense. Just something vague about wanting to encourage the members to focus more on gospel learning and sabbath worship, neither of which would be in conflict with pageants. The announcement is basically a platitude word salad that says nothing about why they discontinued the pageants.
I think he was trying to say that it was forested during the time of Joseph (about 200 years ago) and that now they are trying to restore it to that. What's weird is that most of the hill has been forested for the past 80 years or so, anyway. It's only a small section that was cleared for the pageant. I kept feeling a disconnect with the way they kept talking in the video as though they're doing a massive reforestation. I've been there several times. It's always been covered in trees, except for about 1 acre (about one-fourth of one side). The last time it was fully cleared was around the time that Mr. Bean got there. In those areas of the east, trees will grow naturally anyway. Farmers have to keep things cleared if they want to use the land for pasture. It looks like even the small pageant area was already starting to be overgrown with vegetation.
@@robbhays8077 why doesn’t the church do an archeological dig? There’s meant to be millions of sword and shields and armor to be found at the hill cumorah
In my opinion, the original hill is probably in central America or Mexico. Mormon probably traveled to what is now upstate NY. through inspiration to deposit the plates.
The hill is already covered in trees. No need to wait for the millennium. The area cleared for the pageant was only about one-fourth of one side of the hill. I guess planting trees was a fun project for the missionaries. But the video makes it sound like it's some kind of huge reforestation project. It's not. They probably didn't even need to plant anything. Trees will pop up there naturally and probably already have started. I guess they maybe wanted to add some different varieties, but a lot of the trees that are already there will still dominate what comes up.
Isaiah 24:5 - refer to the new testament witch says.." Let no man decieve you by any means for that day shall not come except there comes a falling away first, that the man of sin be reveled the son of perdition."
@@davidjanbaz7728 The BOM is false, there is Zero evidence for it. The Bible warned over and over false prophets and a different gospel which Smith brought both.
This hill... As in this is the hill that the church teaches about.... Because I don't think they teach that now. Perhaps there's another hill cummorah?? No more pagents, plant some trees to hide the monument and stop talking about this "clean" hill cummorah.
I almost think that Nelson just wants to make sure that nobody can easily restart the pageants after he's gone. He's thinking about his legacy and doesn't want to become another "past prophet" who leaves no lasting mark on the church. He's the great cancellation and deletion prophet. He's been cutting, cancelling and deleting things that other prophets did and he probably doesn't want future prophets restoring what he's discarded.
I have good news and bad news for you. First the GOOD news, -Jesus is the one and only true God who atoned for the sins of ANYONE who will trust Him in their hearts and confess Him as Lord! (Romans 10:9-11) But now the BAD news, Jospeh Smith mixed truth with lies to corrupt the one true gospel (Galatians 1:8-12) -PLEASE read/research the first hand evidence in the CES letter.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet who brought another gospel and a different Jesus with a different salvation plan. The Bible wared over and over about this.
It's easy to prove, all they have to do is excavate the area. If the BOM is true you should find all kinds of evidence. However, they know it's false, it is a made-up religion with a false gospel, another Jesus, and another salvation. This is what the Bible warned about over and over.
Well, it's not really free. The people doing the labor have to pay for the privilege of working for no compensation. Oh...you mean free to the church. Yes. And they may also impute an hourly monetary value to such labor, and then count that as a form of charitable giving by the church because the free labor is being performed under the direction of the church. So it's a win-win-win...for the church. And apparently the people planting the trees feel good about it because somebody told them that they're planting an "old-growth" forest (an oxymoron that's good enough for testimony-bearing Mormons I guess). Meanwhile none of them really know why the pageant was discontinued. But I guess none of that matters as long as Ensign Peak, as a result, has a bit more money to invest on Wall Street.
Don't forget to put back the stone box also... which dissappeared somehow.. probably the same reason nobody saw the plates.. nobody saw the stone box, which would have been good to help believe the narative.. but another fake storie from JS.
Let us know if any of you find any skeletons there. Since, you know, there was supposedly a battle so big there that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people died in that exact location
There were multiple hills named Cumorah. Your “clever” snarky remark is ignorant of the facts. Aren’t you aware of native North American tribes that claim to be descended from Israelites?? There’s so much fascinating forbidden history you sadly don’t know of…
@@spencerharward4884 I mean, if you can show me where this hill is where there are literally millions of dead bodies buried (since this battle would have literally been one of the world's largest battles to ever occur, it should be easy to find), then I'll change my mind and stop being snarky. But so far all I see is a bunch of religious fanatics continuously playing the Shell Game with their proposed "historical" events. But in the meantime, if you want to believe that American Indians are a filthy, dark, and loathsome people like the BOM says, you go ahead. If you want to believe they're cursed white people whose skin will return to being white if they're righteous enough, you go ahead 👍 As for me and my house, we serve objective truth, evidence, and the scientific method
If I had been there, I would have just sat down on the ground and cried. How dare Russell M. Nelson cancel our culture and heritage by discontinuing the Pageant! He didn’t even deign to give us a reason! All he said was other things are “more appropriate.” Whatever that means. Russell M. Nelson is a false prophet! I rue the day he ascended to power to change our culture and heritage!
You could create your own traditions with family and friends! I sustain the prophet and part of that is to try to do good things of my own without being commanded.
The stone box got washed down the hill a few decades after Joseph Smith and then the pieces got removed. This according to witnesses that lived in the area.
@@robbhays8077 Yep, and my dog ate my homework too. I got a clue for you: there was no stone box. Joseph Smith just used the "stone box" business to make up his story of how he obtained the mythical golden plates. The story actually originated from an unpublished manuscript written by a guy named Solomon Spaulding 15-20 years earlier. Here's the introduction to Spaulding's story: INTRODUCTION. NEAR the west Bank of the Coneaught River there are the remains of an ancient fort. As I was walk ing and forming various conjectures respecting the character situation & numbers of those people who far exceeded the present Indians in works of art and inginuety, I hapned to tread on a flat stone. This was at a small distance from the fort, top of a great small mound of Earth exactly horizon tal. The face of it had a singular appearance. I discovered a number of characters, which appeared to me to be letters, but so much effaced by the ravages of time, that I could not read the inscription. With the assistance of a leaver I raised the stone. But you may easily conjecture my astonishment when I discovered that its ends and sides rested on stones & that it was designed as a cover to an artificial Cave. I found by examining that its sides were lined with stones built in a connical form with down, & that it was about eight feet deep. Determined to investigate the design of this extraordinary work of antiquity, I prepared myself with the necessary requisites for that purpose and descended to the Bottom of the Cave. Observing one side to be perpendicular nearly three feet from the bottom, I began to inspect that part with accuracy. Here I noticed a big flat stone fixed in the form of a doar. I immediately tore it down and Lo, a cavity within the wall presented itself it being about three feet in diamiter from side to side and about two feet high. Within this cavity I found an earthern Box with a cover which shut it perfectly tite. The Box was two feet in length one & half in breadth & one & three inches in diameter. My mind filled with awful sensations which crowded fast upon me would hardly permit my hands to remove this venerable deposit, but curiosity soon gained the assendency & the box was taken & raised to open it. When I had removed the Cover I found that it contained twenty-eight rolls of parchment-&- that when - - - appeared to be manuscrips written in eligant hand with Roman Letters & in the Latin Language. They were written on a variety of Subjects. But the Roll which principally attracted my attention contained a history of the author s life & that part of America which extends along the great Lakes & the waters of the Mississippy.
@@robbhays8077 Would those be the same witnesses who said that there is a huge cave inside the hill with piles of plates and the sword of Laban inside the cave?
@@firstLast-gb9kr LOL. The book is real, the story within its pages is fake. If the Book of Mormon story was true, there would be abundant physical artifacts of those ancient people all over the place. That evidence would be as abundant and obvious as say, the evidence of the Aztec empire. The Book of Mormon says that there were hundreds of thousands of Semitic Hebrew-descended people living in the Americas as late as 400 AD. It says that their culture had horses and chariots, smelted metal tools and weaponry, and that they spoke and wrote in Hebrew, and worshipped both the Hebrew and Christian religions. NONE of that stuff existed anywhere in the Americas before Columbus. So the story is fake.
@@terryslade6240 Joseph Smith was never jailed a single time for any beliefs. He was convicted of fraud in 1826 and was allowed to leave town because he was only 21 years old. He was jailed in Missouri in 1838 on charges of treason and murder for starting a civil war. He was jailed at Carthage, Illinois on charges of inciting a riot and treason against the state. None of those charges had anything to do with his religious beliefs. Joseph and Hyrum were murdered in Carthage Jail because some of his former disciples published a newspaper which exposed his secret polygamy practice and political ambitions; Smith ordered their printing press destroyed so they couldn't publish more of his secrets; local non-Mormons were outraged at Smith's violation of the publisher's freedom of the press, and they stormed the jail and killed them.
@@randyjordan5521 I also hear that Joseph Smith was jailed in NYC because he killed six people with his hat. He was jailed in Bahamas because he impregnated two hundred women in a single week. I believe he was jailed in California because he caused a fake gold rush. And wasn't he jailed because his TV advertisements were fake? Hmmm. Imagine that.
@@terryslade6240 So, you wanna be an ignorant clown. OK. Abram W. Benton was a doctor and Presbyterian church elder who had attended Joseph Smith's "peep-stoning" trial of March 20, 1826, and also his subsequent trial on "disorderly conduct" charges of July 4, 1830. Benton wrote a summation of Smith's fraudulent activities, which was published in the "Evangelical Messenger and Advocate" on April 9, 1831. To quote Benton: "Messrs. Editors: In the sixth number of your paper I saw a notice of a sect of people called Mormonites; and thinking that a fuller history of their founder, Joseph Smith, jr., might be interesting to your community, and particularly to your correspondent in Ohio, where, perhaps, the truth concerning him may be hard to come at, I will take the trouble to make a few remarks on the character of that infamous imposter. For several years preceding the appearance of his book, he was about the country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending, by means of a certain stone, or glass, which he put in a hat, to be able to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines of gold and silver, &c. Although he constantly failed in his pretensions, still he had his dupes who put implicit confidence in all his words. In this town, a wealthy farmer, named Josiah Stowell, together with others, spent large sums of money in digging for hidden money, which this Smith pretended he could see, and told them where to dig; but they never found their treasure. At length the public, becoming wearied with the base imposition which he was palming upon the credulity of the ignorant, for the purpose of sponging his living from their earnings, had him arrested as a disorderly person, tried and condemned before a court of Justice. But considering his youth, (he being then a minor,) and thinking he might reform his conduct, he was designedly allowed to escape. This was four or five years ago. From this time he absented himself from this place, returning only privately, and holding clandestine intercourse with his credulous dupes, for two or three years."
This project is actually kind of a joke. They're making it sound like it's some kind of big reforestation project. But the hill they're on has been covered in trees for the past 80 + years. There's only a small area (about 1 or 2 acres) that was cleared for an annual pageant. The pageant was discontinued after 2018, and it's easy to see that the cleared area is already overgrown with vegetation and new trees would soon be growing naturally anyway, just from the seeds and roots of the surrounding trees. It's great that the young "missionaries" can have a nice day outdoors feeling good about planting trees. And they can plant some new varieties there. But that's all it is...a "feel good" project. They try to insert the "old growth forest" buzz words in there to make people imagine some massive forest of towering trees being there in a hundred years or so, but who knows what's going to happen there in the next hundred years. It could end up being all cleared again if some well-connected billionaire buys it and wants to do something different with the land.
Took a hundred years to repair the damage they caused by declaring a miracle happened there.🙄 Teaching the "Gospel"? Teaching a new myth to add to the old ones, more likely.
@@alystero8838 Do you mean what really happened or what Mormons believe happened? What really happened is some cows ate some grass and farted...over and over and over...when the hill and environs was used for pasture. What happened according to the LDS church is that Joseph Smith met an angel at that very hill and the angel showed him where there were some golden plates buried there that contained a record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, people who spoke Hebrew but (for some odd reason) wrote in a language called Reformed Egyptian. Joseph Smith translated the ancient records by looking at a magic rock in his hat or, alternatively (depending on which Mormon you talk to), using some magic stones called the Urim & Thummim, which were attached to a breastplate. Then the angel took the golden plates up to heaven so that nobody could examine them or try to get rich off them because that's the best way for people to learn how to have faith. The latter story (about the angel and the plates) is more interesting. But the former story (about the cows eating grass and farting) seems more realistic.
What a waste of money, you stopped the pageant that gave jobs and income for people. And now you spend money that could help needy families on tree seeds. Now you put it back to just being a hill. Great job.
I'd say, this is some type of facetious sarcasm, maybe Opposite Day, or just a silly bot. It is difficult to know, but I am not getting a vibe of genuine sincerity. Could be parody for social commentry?! Clearly this is presented as confused information and misplaced anger, but it seem so silly and off that I can't believe it would be a real concern for someone. IDK but that is what I'd say. PS... Backhanded compliment, yeah that could be it✌️
Speaking of wasting money, I read this morning that the LDS church has donated 18 pallets of bottled water to some charitable cause. I don't know that the church could afford to part with that much money out of their estimated 100 billion dollar investment fund. Especially after the church just had to pay a 5 million dollar fine last week for trying to understate the wealth of their investment groups.
I've participated on the Hill Cumorah in the Hill Cumorah Pageant. It's bittersweet to see it end.
I'm not Mormon but simply Christian and have had missionaries in our home and fed them dinner and one time venison. It was fun having a Japanese missionary eat deer meat and later show him the deer on the wall that he just ate. Nice people! I'm not sold on Joseph Smith story but I respect what they believe if it makes them good people.
Thank you for feeding our missionaries, Brother!
Thank you for feeding the missionaries.
Thank you for opening your home and eyes to the Good ❣️
It always cracks me up that you say you are Christian and do not believe in the power of God shown through men and women on Earth. What about the Bible? Do you believe all the “crazy” “outlandish” stories which are similar to that of Joseph Smiths experience? The Bible is filled with miracles and unbelievable stories. Why is it so hard for people to believe that God is still that same God? He has power STILL to do WONDROUS things. You wouldn’t believe in God even if He was standing right in front of you.
@@Ryanhelpmeunderstand I don't really believe in anything for sure but that Christ died for me. I don't want to get into our different beliefs. I choose to just get along with followers of Christ so we don't get into all the hear says and stories. Love is the answer. Saying I wouldn't know God is very aggressive after I invited Mormons into my home and fed them.
I love Our Missionaries Elder’s and Sister’s . This was a Beautiful Act of Love. Thank You All. 💙💙💖💖
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What I get from this is there is a future and we are looking forward with hope. Very important to consider when the world is filled with so much negativity.
This makes me SO EXCITED as a botanist!!! This is going to be spectacular for the surrounding environment!!! Oh how I wish I could have helped, but I'm so glad they did this!!!
Love this! This is where I served my mission.❤️
That is truly sacred ground! Thanks for this!
is this where the plates were found?
Re-seeding the Hill Cumorah is all well and good, but still I'm sad that the Pageant is no more. What a wonderful experience it was to go to.
I'm from upstate NY originally, and live in Washington state now. Palmyra is one of my favorite places in the world, and even though I know the area well and recognized it, the thing that struck me was that my immediate thought was "I know those trees..." And that is a very deep rooted kind of longing that I hadn't experienced before.
Me too! I grew up in Herkimer. Haven’t been there in years. I miss the trees. I always bring back a few leafs.
So cool! My ancestors settled in this area about 400 years ago. They joined the Church in New York
Thank you for sharing this! I had no idea! Fine young men and women. May they be blessed
Not a Mormon or any kind of Christian but this is fantastic. Great to see.
I was just there this last October (23), it was Wonderful!!
GOD' Bless You Brothers and Sisters. thank you So Very Much for planting trees for future generations. :)
I thank our HEAVENLY PARENT'S, for restoring THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on earth.
Left the church years ago but it’s sad to not be able to recognize the hill that I spent so many summers at, watching pageant, driving up the hill, enjoying picnics at its base and on the top
Sister Gillette! So surprised to see you in the video but then again you are exactly who I would expect to be out there working hard.
@LightofChristInUpstateNewYork Thank y💖u sooo much Sister's & Elder's & overseers helping out in all thee hard-work efforts you all were blessed to be apart of the preservation of the old trees that you all... Quote... "🎼Put your shoulders to the wheel"🎶... To help rebuild Thee Sacred & Holy site of Thee Hill Cumora 💖😇
So awesome. It’s been almost 30 years since my mission. Seeing these young missionaries is inspiring and gives me hope. Thanks for all of your efforts! ❤️
PS: if you find any plates or a sword, maybe just leave them there for now. 😊
LOL !
They are somewhere
I served there in 1973
I served in the Cumorah Mission 1967-1969. Wish I could live long enough to see the hill when it’s restored.
Isn't most of the hill already covered with trees? It's really only about one-fourth of one side that was cleared for the pageant. They show that really old photo of it when it was completely cleared and used for pasture. But for most of the latter half of the 20th century up to the present, it's mostly been covered in trees. It's almost like they just want to make sure that nobody in the future gets any funny ideas about bringing the pageant back.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N you’re correct, the hill is mostly covered with trees, only the staging area has been clear of trees. It’s my understanding that the citizens of Palmyra dug the hill up looking for more buried “treasure”. And eventually used the hill for pasture. My guess is the hill is being reforested as a kind of “closure” for those who will miss the Pageant. czcams.com/video/4ELqqqyPTMw/video.html
@@UVJ_Scott Thanks for the link. That was beautifully filmed. I think you're right about the "closure" part. TBH, I still find it odd that something that was a treasured part of LDS cultural life since 1937 was just cancelled and, as far as I can tell, no particular reason was ever given for the cancellation. I even got curious and went back and read the official announcement that was made in October 2018 and it didn't even provide any express reason. There was sort of an implication that the pageants were somehow interfering with a "focus on the gospel", "sabbath worship" and "faith" and things like that, but that was not even made clear. The announcement just said that the pageants were being cancelled and the members were encouraged to focus on faith, gospel and sabbath worship.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N it was a wonderful missionary tool and impacted the lives of many members over the years. We had 2 referrals associated with the Hill Cumorah pageant and those 2 were baptized. I understand the reason for dropping the various Church sponsored pageants was money, the article I read said the Church spent over $1 million each year to produce the various pageants. I was in the pageant the two years I was serving in the Cumorah mission and my wife and I attended the pageant 8 years ago with my daughter and son in law when they were living in Virginia. Great memories.
Thank you 🌳
It reminds me of the scripture about children counting the trees in the Last Days...
I've never heard of that Where is it,if you recall?
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
What a fun and fulfilling project that must have been 😀💜
God bless and keep our Elders out there🫂🙏🏼
The Book of Mormon is true, the Old & New Testaments are true, the Doctrine and Covenants is true, and the Pearl of Great Price is true🤍🕊
As a matter of fact, I LOVE being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints because the Holy Spirit has testified to me OFTEN that the truth is found here. If a person can't see the light in these beautiful missionaries as they serve of their own free will🫂, then maybe it's time for a little self-tuning to the Spirit of God🌞🕊
God bless
How awesome ❤
The hill was not originally forested. It is a hopewell / adena burial mound.
Love it this is dope.
What an awesome opportunity!
Well done, Elders and Sisters❤
Not to throw a wet blanket on anyone but the hill we call "Cumorah" is where Joseph retrieved the plates and not necessarily where the last Nephite/Jaredite battles were fought.
Lest we get lost in our own folklore.
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why did they scratch off the snout of Anubis in facsimile 3 printing plate?
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The squirrels are going to have a field day.
The LDS Church as you know it is in its final days and last hours.
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Why was the pagent discontinued?
As far as I can tell, nobody knows. I was curious and even read the official announcement from the church concerning the discontinuation of the pageants (dated October 2018). But even the official announcement didn't give any reason. It just said that the church wants to encourage people to focus on gospel learning, building faith and sabbath worship. But it didn't say what those goals have to do with discontinuing the pageants. I guess they just don't want to spend money on the pageants because that is a type of thing that the little ordinary members enjoy. The priority should always be on spending things that the leaders enjoy and help enhance the leaders' impact, I guess.
Espero pronto estar ahí con mi familia. Amo a mi Salvador y espero vivir con él eternamente junto a mi amada familia. Y sé que ese lugar es testigo de muchas cosas maravillosas!!
How come they discontinued the pageant? Covid?
It could not be Covid. They announced the discontinuation of pageants in 2018. I guess it was to save money. I read the official announcement (dated October 27, 2018) and it didn't really give any reason that made any sense. Just something vague about wanting to encourage the members to focus more on gospel learning and sabbath worship, neither of which would be in conflict with pageants. The announcement is basically a platitude word salad that says nothing about why they discontinued the pageants.
Why was the pageant canceled
Make Cumorah Great Again !
0:48. Do we know the hill was actually bare during the time of Joseph?
I think he was trying to say that it was forested during the time of Joseph (about 200 years ago) and that now they are trying to restore it to that. What's weird is that most of the hill has been forested for the past 80 years or so, anyway. It's only a small section that was cleared for the pageant. I kept feeling a disconnect with the way they kept talking in the video as though they're doing a massive reforestation. I've been there several times. It's always been covered in trees, except for about 1 acre (about one-fourth of one side). The last time it was fully cleared was around the time that Mr. Bean got there. In those areas of the east, trees will grow naturally anyway. Farmers have to keep things cleared if they want to use the land for pasture. It looks like even the small pageant area was already starting to be overgrown with vegetation.
Has anyone ever excavated at cumorah to uncover the swords and shields from the battles?
No, the BOM is false and there is NO evidence. None of any kind
They stopped because they realized there was nothing there, it's all made up.
Is this the hill cumorah where the war happened?
Maybe.
Its where the gold plates were found :)
@@robbhays8077 why doesn’t the church do an archeological dig? There’s meant to be millions of sword and shields and armor to be found at the hill cumorah
@@mikkifrompreston4396 is it the same hill that the war happened?
In my opinion, the original hill is probably in central America or Mexico. Mormon probably traveled to what is now upstate NY. through inspiration to deposit the plates.
It will be beautiful and we can enjoy it in the millennium.
The hill is already covered in trees. No need to wait for the millennium. The area cleared for the pageant was only about one-fourth of one side of the hill. I guess planting trees was a fun project for the missionaries. But the video makes it sound like it's some kind of huge reforestation project. It's not. They probably didn't even need to plant anything. Trees will pop up there naturally and probably already have started. I guess they maybe wanted to add some different varieties, but a lot of the trees that are already there will still dominate what comes up.
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Really the TRUE CHURCH must be a restored church Daniel 2:44
It said kingdom not church: you should stick with the Book of Mormon and leave our authentic Christian book alone as your interpretation is bogus.
Isaiah 24:5 - refer to the new testament witch says.." Let no man decieve you by any means for that day shall not come except there comes a falling away first, that the man of sin be reveled the son of perdition."
"FALLING AWAY FIRST"
@@adenpalayar5660 Does the new testament witch ride a broom?
@@davidjanbaz7728 The BOM is false, there is Zero evidence for it. The Bible warned over and over false prophets and a different gospel which Smith brought both.
Elder Woodruff! I know him from Buffalo!
Maybe they’ll find some tapir fossils
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Don't forget the golden plates
Im not a mormon but I believe if you try to dig, there are lots of ancient weapons buried on that Hill.
There are no weapons, no evidence of any kind which is why they won't excavate the area.
at least you guys are planting trees, not like Joseph Smith who was involved in magic and treasure-seeking
You don't understand, would you like to?
The same thing that happened to the lamanites ❤
Zero evidence
M Joseph to Jesus Cameron and comfort look up on CZcams
It’s too bad the various church pageants had to end due to the church’s history shared by evangelical churches.
This hill... As in this is the hill that the church teaches about.... Because I don't think they teach that now. Perhaps there's another hill cummorah?? No more pagents, plant some trees to hide the monument and stop talking about this "clean" hill cummorah.
Did they find a peepstone in a hat, like JS used in order to dictate the BoM?
I just found one and I will be starting a new and improved religion. You only have to give 5 Percent.
Quick! Let’s plant trees to cover up the fact that this hill is clean. Sorry. Nothing archeological to see here.
I almost think that Nelson just wants to make sure that nobody can easily restart the pageants after he's gone. He's thinking about his legacy and doesn't want to become another "past prophet" who leaves no lasting mark on the church. He's the great cancellation and deletion prophet. He's been cutting, cancelling and deleting things that other prophets did and he probably doesn't want future prophets restoring what he's discarded.
I have good news and bad news for you. First the GOOD news, -Jesus is the one and only true God who atoned for the sins of ANYONE who will trust Him in their hearts and confess Him as Lord! (Romans 10:9-11) But now the BAD news, Jospeh Smith mixed truth with lies to corrupt the one true gospel (Galatians 1:8-12) -PLEASE read/research the first hand evidence in the CES letter.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet who brought another gospel and a different Jesus with a different salvation plan. The Bible wared over and over about this.
Very sad to see all these Mormons so blind to the reality of their false religion.
It's easy to prove, all they have to do is excavate the area. If the BOM is true you should find all kinds of evidence. However, they know it's false, it is a made-up religion with a false gospel, another Jesus, and another salvation. This is what the Bible warned about over and over.
why
Cool free Labor I hope they at least got lunch
Well, it's not really free. The people doing the labor have to pay for the privilege of working for no compensation. Oh...you mean free to the church. Yes. And they may also impute an hourly monetary value to such labor, and then count that as a form of charitable giving by the church because the free labor is being performed under the direction of the church. So it's a win-win-win...for the church. And apparently the people planting the trees feel good about it because somebody told them that they're planting an "old-growth" forest (an oxymoron that's good enough for testimony-bearing Mormons I guess). Meanwhile none of them really know why the pageant was discontinued. But I guess none of that matters as long as Ensign Peak, as a result, has a bit more money to invest on Wall Street.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N You really understand a business acting as a church...
Don't forget to put back the stone box also... which dissappeared somehow.. probably the same reason nobody saw the plates.. nobody saw the stone box, which would have been good to help believe the narative.. but another fake storie from JS.
The religion is all made up.
In a short time most missionaries will be out of the church, when they learn the truth that has been kept from them.
Or vise versa.
I'd be low key using a metal detector
Let us know if any of you find any skeletons there. Since, you know, there was supposedly a battle so big there that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people died in that exact location
Skeletons.....and steel swords.....and horse bones.....and chariots.....and Hebrews.
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@@randyjordan5521 😆
There were multiple hills named Cumorah. Your “clever” snarky remark is ignorant of the facts.
Aren’t you aware of native North American tribes that claim to be descended from Israelites?? There’s so much fascinating forbidden history you sadly don’t know of…
@@spencerharward4884 I mean, if you can show me where this hill is where there are literally millions of dead bodies buried (since this battle would have literally been one of the world's largest battles to ever occur, it should be easy to find), then I'll change my mind and stop being snarky. But so far all I see is a bunch of religious fanatics continuously playing the Shell Game with their proposed "historical" events.
But in the meantime, if you want to believe that American Indians are a filthy, dark, and loathsome people like the BOM says, you go ahead. If you want to believe they're cursed white people whose skin will return to being white if they're righteous enough, you go ahead 👍 As for me and my house, we serve objective truth, evidence, and the scientific method
If I had been there, I would have just sat down on the ground and cried. How dare Russell M. Nelson cancel our culture and heritage by discontinuing the Pageant! He didn’t even deign to give us a reason! All he said was other things are “more appropriate.” Whatever that means. Russell M. Nelson is a false prophet! I rue the day he ascended to power to change our culture and heritage!
You could create your own traditions with family and friends! I sustain the prophet and part of that is to try to do good things of my own without being commanded.
You'd think that all of those kids could find that stone box.
The stone box got washed down the hill a few decades after Joseph Smith and then the pieces got removed. This according to witnesses that lived in the area.
@@robbhays8077 Yep, and my dog ate my homework too.
I got a clue for you: there was no stone box. Joseph Smith just used the "stone box" business to make up his story of how he obtained the mythical golden plates. The story actually originated from an unpublished manuscript written by a guy named Solomon Spaulding 15-20 years earlier. Here's the introduction to Spaulding's story:
INTRODUCTION.
NEAR the west Bank of the Coneaught River there
are the remains of an ancient fort. As I was walk
ing and forming various conjectures respecting the
character situation & numbers of those people who
far exceeded the present Indians in works of art and
inginuety, I hapned to tread on a flat stone. This
was at a small distance from the fort,
tal. The face of it had a singular appearance. I
discovered a number of characters, which appeared
to me to be letters, but so much effaced by the ravages of time, that I could not read the inscription.
With the assistance of a leaver I raised the stone.
But you may easily conjecture my astonishment
when I discovered that its ends and sides rested on
stones & that it was designed as a cover to an artificial Cave. I found by examining that its sides were lined with stones built in a connical form with down, & that it was about eight feet deep. Determined to investigate the design of this extraordinary
work of antiquity, I prepared myself with the necessary requisites for that purpose and descended to the
Bottom of the Cave. Observing one side to be perpendicular nearly three feet from the bottom, I began
to inspect that part with accuracy. Here I noticed a
big flat stone fixed in the form of a doar. I immediately tore it down and Lo, a cavity within the wall
presented itself it being about three feet in diamiter
from side to side and about two feet high. Within
this cavity I found an earthern Box with a cover which
shut it perfectly tite. The Box was two feet in length
one & half in breadth & one & three inches in diameter. My mind filled with awful sensations which
crowded fast upon me would hardly permit my hands
to remove this venerable deposit, but curiosity soon
gained the assendency & the box was taken & raised
to open it. When I had removed the Cover I found
that it contained twenty-eight rolls of parchment-&-
that when - - - appeared to be manuscrips written in
eligant hand with Roman Letters & in the Latin Language.
They were written on a variety of Subjects. But
the Roll which principally attracted my attention
contained a history of the author s life & that part
of America which extends along the great Lakes &
the waters of the Mississippy.
@@robbhays8077 Would those be the same witnesses who said that there is a huge cave inside the hill with piles of plates and the sword of Laban inside the cave?
That is not the original hill of cumora in time of mormon
That's because there was no "time of mormon." The book is a fake.
Not original hill cumorah? Could you please explain?
@@randyjordan5521 I've seen the book. It is real. You can even find it a library or a book store.
@@findingcraigie there may be another hill with the same name.
@@firstLast-gb9kr LOL. The book is real, the story within its pages is fake. If the Book of Mormon story was true, there would be abundant physical artifacts of those ancient people all over the place. That evidence would be as abundant and obvious as say, the evidence of the Aztec empire.
The Book of Mormon says that there were hundreds of thousands of Semitic Hebrew-descended people living in the Americas as late as 400 AD. It says that their culture had horses and chariots, smelted metal tools and weaponry, and that they spoke and wrote in Hebrew, and worshipped both the Hebrew and Christian religions.
NONE of that stuff existed anywhere in the Americas before Columbus. So the story is fake.
Nothing happened to Joseph Smith
Well, except for getting shot to death.
Joseph Smith was imprisoned many times for his beliefs. He was murdered in prison and so was his brother Hyrum.
@@terryslade6240 Joseph Smith was never jailed a single time for any beliefs. He was convicted of fraud in 1826 and was allowed to leave town because he was only 21 years old. He was jailed in Missouri in 1838 on charges of treason and murder for starting a civil war. He was jailed at Carthage, Illinois on charges of inciting a riot and treason against the state. None of those charges had anything to do with his religious beliefs.
Joseph and Hyrum were murdered in Carthage Jail because some of his former disciples published a newspaper which exposed his secret polygamy practice and political ambitions; Smith ordered their printing press destroyed so they couldn't publish more of his secrets; local non-Mormons were outraged at Smith's violation of the publisher's freedom of the press, and they stormed the jail and killed them.
@@randyjordan5521 I also hear that Joseph Smith was jailed in NYC because he killed six people with his hat. He was jailed in Bahamas because he impregnated two hundred women in a single week. I believe he was jailed in California because he caused a fake gold rush.
And wasn't he jailed because his TV advertisements were fake?
Hmmm. Imagine that.
@@terryslade6240 So, you wanna be an ignorant clown. OK.
Abram W. Benton was a doctor and Presbyterian church elder who had attended
Joseph Smith's "peep-stoning" trial of March 20, 1826, and also his subsequent
trial on "disorderly conduct" charges of July 4, 1830. Benton wrote a
summation of Smith's fraudulent activities, which was published in the
"Evangelical Messenger and Advocate" on April 9, 1831. To quote Benton:
"Messrs. Editors: In the sixth number of your paper I
saw a notice of a sect of people called Mormonites; and
thinking that a fuller history of their founder, Joseph
Smith, jr., might be interesting to your community, and
particularly to your correspondent in Ohio, where,
perhaps, the truth concerning him may be hard to come
at, I will take the trouble to make a few remarks on the
character of that infamous imposter. For several years
preceding the appearance of his book, he was about the
country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending, by
means of a certain stone, or glass, which he put in a hat,
to be able to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines
of gold and silver, &c. Although he constantly failed in
his pretensions, still he had his dupes who put implicit
confidence in all his words. In this town, a wealthy
farmer, named Josiah Stowell, together with others,
spent large sums of money in digging for hidden
money, which this Smith pretended he could see, and
told them where to dig; but they never found their
treasure. At length the public, becoming wearied with
the base imposition which he was palming upon the
credulity of the ignorant, for the purpose of sponging his
living from their earnings, had him arrested as a
disorderly person, tried and condemned before a court of
Justice. But considering his youth, (he being then a
minor,) and thinking he might reform his conduct, he
was designedly allowed to escape. This was four or five
years ago. From this time he absented himself from this
place, returning only privately, and holding clandestine
intercourse with his credulous dupes, for two or three
years."
So now many christian denominations prioritizes climate change instead of evangelization. Very appropriate to laudato si of vatican.
This project is actually kind of a joke. They're making it sound like it's some kind of big reforestation project. But the hill they're on has been covered in trees for the past 80 + years. There's only a small area (about 1 or 2 acres) that was cleared for an annual pageant. The pageant was discontinued after 2018, and it's easy to see that the cleared area is already overgrown with vegetation and new trees would soon be growing naturally anyway, just from the seeds and roots of the surrounding trees. It's great that the young "missionaries" can have a nice day outdoors feeling good about planting trees. And they can plant some new varieties there. But that's all it is...a "feel good" project. They try to insert the "old growth forest" buzz words in there to make people imagine some massive forest of towering trees being there in a hundred years or so, but who knows what's going to happen there in the next hundred years. It could end up being all cleared again if some well-connected billionaire buys it and wants to do something different with the land.
What a joke.
Took a hundred years to repair the damage they caused by declaring a miracle happened there.🙄
Teaching the "Gospel"?
Teaching a new myth to add to the old ones, more likely.
Are trying to be persuasive?
What happened there btw?
@@alystero8838 Do you mean what really happened or what Mormons believe happened? What really happened is some cows ate some grass and farted...over and over and over...when the hill and environs was used for pasture. What happened according to the LDS church is that Joseph Smith met an angel at that very hill and the angel showed him where there were some golden plates buried there that contained a record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, people who spoke Hebrew but (for some odd reason) wrote in a language called Reformed Egyptian. Joseph Smith translated the ancient records by looking at a magic rock in his hat or, alternatively (depending on which Mormon you talk to), using some magic stones called the Urim & Thummim, which were attached to a breastplate. Then the angel took the golden plates up to heaven so that nobody could examine them or try to get rich off them because that's the best way for people to learn how to have faith. The latter story (about the angel and the plates) is more interesting. But the former story (about the cows eating grass and farting) seems more realistic.
What a waste of money, you stopped the pageant that gave jobs and income for people. And now you spend money that could help needy families on tree seeds. Now you put it back to just being a hill. Great job.
I'd say, this is some type of facetious sarcasm, maybe Opposite Day, or just a silly bot. It is difficult to know, but I am not getting a vibe of genuine sincerity. Could be parody for social commentry?! Clearly this is presented as confused information and misplaced anger, but it seem so silly and off that I can't believe it would be a real concern for someone. IDK but that is what I'd say.
PS... Backhanded compliment, yeah that could be it✌️
Speaking of wasting money, I read this morning that the LDS church has donated 18 pallets of bottled water to some charitable cause. I don't know that the church could afford to part with that much money out of their estimated 100 billion dollar investment fund. Especially after the church just had to pay a 5 million dollar fine last week for trying to understate the wealth of their investment groups.
@@randyjordan5521 ouch... 5mil to the government for saving money. Makes me wonder what the government will do with the money.
@@firstLast-gb9kr sounded like a bot to me as well.
@@randyjordan5521 also in the news... Was the donation of property and a building to a food bank in Idaho.