Why Didn't Spanish America Unite Like Brazil?

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Komentáƙe • 308

  • @jeanitacarambi354
    @jeanitacarambi354 Pƙed 3 dny +131

    it's funny that in Brazilian Historigraphy, we make the oposite question: Why Didn't Brazil dismebered Like Spanish America?

    • @elultramontano
      @elultramontano Pƙed 2 dny +2

      alliance with Britain

    • @TavasM
      @TavasM Pƙed 2 dny +15

      @@elultramontano uhm no? its waaaaaay more complicated than that

    • @jeanitacarambi354
      @jeanitacarambi354 Pƙed 2 dny +17

      ​@@elultramontano we already have answers being written for more than 150 years of historiography until today.
      The british is one of the minor causes of the brazilian unity.
      They sure helped in the independence processe by diplomatic and econonic means, but the political means of the unification during and after the independence war are autoctonous.

    • @user-dk1fg5ct7s
      @user-dk1fg5ct7s Pƙed dnem +8

      ​@@jeanitacarambi354bro, I think there are two main reasons for Brazil to be united after its indepedence: Pedro I, who fought against regional independences processes, and Duque de Caxias, who did the same

    • @jeanitacarambi354
      @jeanitacarambi354 Pƙed 9 hodinami +1

      @@user-dk1fg5ct7s you're right. Seeing the question as a a matter of agency of individuals, Pedro I and Caxias are two heroes of the national integrity.
      But there are others points of viewing. As exemple, economic and social ones (many historians sees the manutering of slavery as a cause of a "pact" of the elites for the conservation of the economical estrutures and avoid of slave revolts).

  • @brunolike8631
    @brunolike8631 Pƙed 4 dny +202

    I was not expecting the bit of brazilian and portuguese history at the end! You clearly did your research

    • @emanuel585
      @emanuel585 Pƙed 4 dny +7

      As a brazilian i can confirm that all of the brazilian parts were factual

    • @brunolike8631
      @brunolike8631 Pƙed 4 dny +2

      @@emanuel585 Ă©, eu reparei kkkk

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +8

      Thanks! I spent a long time researching and writing the script

    • @FrutoseDeMorango
      @FrutoseDeMorango Pƙed 3 dny +5

      @@icebulb Amazing video! It would also be cool to have a video dedicated to the history of Dom Pedro II. He was a hyperpolyglot, educated in numerous subjects, was raised by José Bonifåcio, patriach of Brazil, and Rafael, o Anjo Negro, an ex-slave. Under him, the royal family had no slaves as he despised it and banned slavery with his daugther he had plans to integrate the ex-slaves into Brazilian society, but the Republican coup exiled him to Portugal and forgot all plans about ex-slave integration.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 2 dny +1

      I will add him to the list! Although I already have lots of ideas in the back-burner haha

  • @eisbergsyndrom5010
    @eisbergsyndrom5010 Pƙed 4 dny +143

    BRAZIL MENTIONED

    • @tiosubaruomg
      @tiosubaruomg Pƙed 2 dny +1

      NĂŁo de una forma muito boa

    • @brunovarella5155
      @brunovarella5155 Pƙed 2 dny +4

      ​@@tiosubaruomg achei que ele valorizou bem o Brasil, quase uma ode

  • @miguelitomiton1456
    @miguelitomiton1456 Pƙed 2 dny +33

    An interesting thing that can be noticed is that whenever someone from another country mentions Brazil and talks about it, there are always Brazilians to come and watch and been a subscriber

  • @rocombole4847
    @rocombole4847 Pƙed 3 dny +34

    as a brazilian, I really liked this video. Definitely underrated.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +4

      Thank you! đŸ‡§đŸ‡·

  • @blueguns15000
    @blueguns15000 Pƙed 4 dny +29

    this dude is the oversimplified of countryballs

  • @undeadtrile8370
    @undeadtrile8370 Pƙed 4 dny +94

    I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO!!! It’s great to see latam history covered in detail and humor, greetings from Puerto Rico!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny +4

      Love to see Puerto Ricans here! 😎

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      @TeSu-fs7mp Pƙed 4 dny +3

      "Latam" 💀

    • @Dark3nD
      @Dark3nD Pƙed 4 dny +4

      @@TeSu-fs7mp it's an actual word

  • @kamilom.8711
    @kamilom.8711 Pƙed 4 dny +17

    23:45 LOL!!!!!! Hi from Brazil đŸ‡§đŸ‡·đŸ‡§đŸ‡·

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +5

      There's a lot of Brazilians in the comments hahaha it seems like the algorithm is showing my video there, I love it đŸ‡§đŸ‡·

  • @VitoriusChurros
    @VitoriusChurros Pƙed 4 dny +56

    Great Video, +1 sub from Brazil

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny +3

      Thanks!

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    @TheJShep1229 Pƙed 4 dny +40

    This channel is underrated

  • @poetico2664
    @poetico2664 Pƙed 2 dny +7

    This is one of the best history channels I've ever seen

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 2 dny

      Best compliment I've ever received

  • @Buri111Official
    @Buri111Official Pƙed 2 dny +4

    20:03 this was actually sad 😔

  • @edermanutencaoejardim9138
    @edermanutencaoejardim9138 Pƙed 2 dny +8

    Brazil was the Portuguese royal family, Dom JoĂŁo VI moved the seat of the Portuguese government from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro in 1808

  • @losalphaenterprises
    @losalphaenterprises Pƙed 4 dny +23

    I absolutely love how accurately you pronounce the names in the video. Like, most of the time I'm watching these kind of videos, people tend to pronounce the names of locations and historical figures in a funny way, and I don't blame them as it's hard to pronounce a word from another language, but you are able to pronounce EVERY single foregin word PERFECTLY. Congrats!!! Really good and informative video as well!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +8

      I mean, they're not exactly foreign words for me hahaha so you could say I'm cheating a little bit

    • @losalphaenterprises
      @losalphaenterprises Pƙed 3 dny +6

      @@icebulb Wait I didn't know you were spanish too lol

  • @W1B1S4N4
    @W1B1S4N4 Pƙed 4 dny +27

    This dude deserved More View

  • @REEEPROGRAM
    @REEEPROGRAM Pƙed 3 dny +6

    A united spanish americas would've been a REALLY long chile: changed my mind

  • @AdriElGrafiquero
    @AdriElGrafiquero Pƙed 2 dny +3

    11:22 His name was Juan Bautista Cabral

  • @LT.KiraHertling1701
    @LT.KiraHertling1701 Pƙed dnem +4

    22:45 there is a very interesting historical fact here involving Brazil. During july and december 1822, Brazil occupied Upper Peru at the request of its governors, who feared an invasion by BolĂ­var's forces. Later, in 1825, the Empire of Brazil would occupy part of Bolivia, with the aim of dissuading SimĂłn BolĂ­var from helping the United Provinces of the RĂ­o de la Plata during the Cisplatine War.

  • @vitorpereira9515
    @vitorpereira9515 Pƙed 3 dny +3

    I saw Brazil e vim mais rĂĄpido que pude.

  • @braziliantsar
    @braziliantsar Pƙed 3 dny +5

    Imma be honest: too lazy to watch it right. But one of the main and most important reasons, is that Brazil only really stopped being Portugal's "object" when it became a kingdom and an exile for the portuguese royal family. There were pretty much no universities here before that period, so the elites just sent their youth to Europe, and most of the ones that came back simply didn't have ideas of regional economical development. It took much long for Brazil to develop proper separate elites, which would compete enough to create political during the oligarchy era.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 2 dny

      Yeah I mention that first half in the video!

  • @PersianCyrusII
    @PersianCyrusII Pƙed dnem +4

    I swear if the answer is “it’s basically napoleons fault” I’m gonna lose it

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed dnem +1

      It's basically Napoleon's fault

  • @ICH-yx1mg
    @ICH-yx1mg Pƙed 10 dny +13

    Happy to see another upload from icebulb đŸ’Ș

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 7 dny

      More to come! I'm glad you enjoyed it

  • @DanielCobblestone
    @DanielCobblestone Pƙed 4 dny +18

    Damn, your videos are amazing! Oversimplified but in country balls.

  • @bigt52997
    @bigt52997 Pƙed 4 dny +15

    crazy high quality video i was shocked to see only 2.5k subs

  • @kebab_man1441
    @kebab_man1441 Pƙed 4 dny +10

    pretty high quality vid mate love it

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @eltiofresca4998
    @eltiofresca4998 Pƙed 4 dny +10

    W video man, thanks for actually explaining history properly

  • @cleitopson
    @cleitopson Pƙed hodinou

    25:08 The references, lol!
    Great video, loved all the detail and gags on it, absolutely worth the wait.

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    @3master791 Pƙed dnem +1

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    @emilianohermosilla3996 Pƙed 4 dny +4

    Fascinating video, man!

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      That's awesome! Thank you so much!

  • @grevilisaacbonilla9179
    @grevilisaacbonilla9179 Pƙed 4 dny +2

    honestly you nailed it man, you explained it better than how my school taught me (i'm in honduras)

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    @Omnigreen Pƙed dnem +1

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    This was very funny, especially all the gags you threw in

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 2 dny

      Haha thanks, I try to make it entertaining as well as informative!

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    Impressively quick, understandable and entertaining.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 hodinami

      I'm glad you like it!

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      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Glad you enjoyed it!

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    @ChariTheAlternate Pƙed 4 dny +3

    I actually really liked this video, I'm subscribing ( also, the end cutscene was ominous )

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny +1

      Thanks for the sub! Haha yeah I went for an Avengers-esque end-scene

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    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Took a long time to make 😅

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    @ajelandrotiveri1695 Pƙed 3 dny +3

    El mejor video acerca de este tema que he visto, buen resumen, buen humor. Saludos desde Ecuador.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      ÂĄGracias! đŸ‡Ș🇹

  • @Linkswon
    @Linkswon Pƙed 17 hodinami +1

    Great video ♄

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    @nedflanders9215 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    this is amazing and interesting thank you

  • @Tomekurens
    @Tomekurens Pƙed 4 dny +3

    I LOVE IT! This is like oversimplified. BUT ITS DIFFRENT! AND AWESOME! +1 SUB FROM POLAND!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Thanks for the sub! đŸ‡”đŸ‡±

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    @msc2127 Pƙed 4 dny +3

    wow this was a great video!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +1

      Thank you so much!

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    @bealu9459 Pƙed dnem +2

    10/10 video man

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    @jonatasgomes6651 Pƙed dnem +1

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    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed dnem

      Thank you for your support!

  • @Lmark821
    @Lmark821 Pƙed 3 dny +1

    I never got much into Spanish and Portuguese colonial history but this brought greater interest in my mind. Now I feel more connected to something apart of my heritage

  • @Eldelbigote
    @Eldelbigote Pƙed 4 dny +3

    Amazing video, I'll sub

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny +1

      Thanks for the sub!

  • @toxicgamer1601
    @toxicgamer1601 Pƙed 2 dny +1

    nice well done and editited video

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    @_amapy Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Great job

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    @Fortnitd-Maps Pƙed 4 dny +1

    You deserve more views,subscribers,likes etc

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny

      Haha thanks, they'll come with time

  • @lusitanus.
    @lusitanus. Pƙed dnem +1

    Ironic to think that Dom JoĂŁo VI did not want to return to Portugal and independence began with the intention of the courts to demote Brazil to a colony.

  • @protongamin4544
    @protongamin4544 Pƙed 2 dny +3

    peak pronounciations on your part, 1 sub from brazil buddy

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    @fernandostaejak3705 Pƙed 7 dny +1

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      @icebulb  Pƙed 7 dny

      That's right😎

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    @WeirdAwesomeGeography Pƙed 7 dny +1

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    @IdanGhengis Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Good video

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    @maxwalker1159 Pƙed 3 dny +1

    Sick!

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    @toquinhojakson5805 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Nice video

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    @3erie559 Pƙed 3 dny +1

    this mustve taken a long time to animate and edit, very good video

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +1

      The whole video took 6 months, including research and script. Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Felix-Wilson
    @Felix-Wilson Pƙed 4 dny +3

    Bro, im new around here, pretty cool channel

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Welcome!

    • @Felix-Wilson
      @Felix-Wilson Pƙed 3 dny +1

      @@icebulb bro, thx for the great vid and the entertaining and informative content

  • @Getkaizoed
    @Getkaizoed Pƙed dnem +1

    Zamn your back after those 7 months of exile

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed dnem

      I hope to upload the next one in less time

  • @gianfrancosegura3587
    @gianfrancosegura3587 Pƙed 12 hodinami +1

    Hi from Mangomarca, PerĂș. Nice video

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  • @AgustinCarduz
    @AgustinCarduz Pƙed 9 hodinami

    as an argentinian I absolutely clap to you. You have summarized a topic so complex, so well and i just a few minutes. IDK if you are from Iberoamérica o from outside but congratulations! I'm a new sub

  • @earlnovero8208
    @earlnovero8208 Pƙed 3 dny +2

    I'm new subscriber I learn more about Latin America I didn't expect you mention my country Philippines.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      No one gets left behind 😎

  • @stargazer-elite
    @stargazer-elite Pƙed 10 dny +6

    Epic

  • @annam1066
    @annam1066 Pƙed 9 dny +3

    Great video! Never learned anything about the history of south america in school, nice to watch a well done video about it now

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 7 dny

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Mworldgames
    @Mworldgames Pƙed 4 dny +1

    The GOAT IS HERE

  • @franbalcal
    @franbalcal Pƙed 7 hodinami +1

    Would have been funny if you added how Bolivar billed peru for the costs of their independence. An independence that many in Peru didnt want (as one of the most loyalist regions). But Bolivar couldnt permit the spanish to have a foothold in south america where they could try to reconquer the lost territories.

  • @antilad5584
    @antilad5584 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Goated video, learned a lot about post colonial SA

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      I'm glad you liked it!

  • @tuff9486
    @tuff9486 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    You need to make a part 2 of what happens after.

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      I'm planning on making a follow-up video on the Texas Revolution and maybe one on the Paraguayan War

  • @Treetle0
    @Treetle0 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Bro how do you not have at least 50k??? I would’ve never guessed that you only had 2k. A new subscriber. :)

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Thank you for the sub!

  • @tanjiro.127
    @tanjiro.127 Pƙed 3 dny +1

    Wow. This is amazing! I’ve always wanted to understand how South and Central America ended up this way. I’ve spent hours on Wikipedia and ChatGPT trying to figure it out, but always just got a vague idea. This was exactly what I needed!
    Thanks for much for making. And for including Central America and Brazil, to make sure our curiosities were fully satisfied! Only thing I’m still wondering is how Chile and Argentina ended up extending down South.
    Btw, why are the music and sound effects identical to Oversimplified? Is it a tribute? I love it, of course!

    • @bunniifangz
      @bunniifangz Pƙed 3 dny +1

      Patagonia (the southernmost part of South America) was basically ungoverned by any formal states and only had a tiny population of indigenous people living there so it was basically free land to these two countries which they spent decades fighting over

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Yup, that's a good summary

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      I'm glad the video was exactly what you were searching for!
      And yeah, the music is Oversimplified's because it's the best copyright-free music out there, by artist Kevin Macleod.
      The sound effects are the generic "whoosh" and "slap" everyone uses haha
      Love that you love it! Thanks for the support!

    • @Lowdian
      @Lowdian Pƙed 3 dny

      "Only thing I’m still wondering is how Chile and Argentina ended up extending down South"
      Very similarly to how the US extended to the west, killing natives.

  • @Tusiriakest
    @Tusiriakest Pƙed 4 dny +2

    great video... a little to "Oversimplified" inspired... but I hope you found your own style soon.

    • @tuff9486
      @tuff9486 Pƙed 4 dny

      No, it is amazingly made. Oversimplified glosses over too much history.

  • @0kah645
    @0kah645 Pƙed 6 dny +5

    This channel is too good not to have 100k+ subs

  • @mmayfield1994
    @mmayfield1994 Pƙed 2 dny +2

    Interesting Brazil managed to stay as one while spanish america broke due to a mix of politics and power vacuums

  • @Eliteninja_261
    @Eliteninja_261 Pƙed 3 dny +2

    The second oversimplified

  • @C0lon0
    @C0lon0 Pƙed 3 dny +2

    Of course Brazil would remain united, who else got an "colony" in europe if not Brazil?

  • @DK3Hunna_
    @DK3Hunna_ Pƙed 4 dny +1

    W video

  • @zittitizi5553
    @zittitizi5553 Pƙed 9 hodinami +1

    Now i can flex the fact that i know Latin America history

  • @kimberlylewistyner2070
    @kimberlylewistyner2070 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    Honey wake up icebulb posted!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      I've been waiting for this meme since I started my channel 😂😂

  • @matheuspinho4987
    @matheuspinho4987 Pƙed dnem +1

    Spanish America was the balkanzing before the balkanzing was a thing

  • @justneedanaccount9190
    @justneedanaccount9190 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    So glad I found this channel, great summary of all the chaos of the Latin American revolutions

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 4 dny

      I'm glad you found me too!

  • @lalocatalan23
    @lalocatalan23 Pƙed 4 dny +2

    27:18 caught me off guard 😂

  • @Kapullus
    @Kapullus Pƙed 3 dny +1

    Commenting for algorithm

  • @Someone45356
    @Someone45356 Pƙed dnem +1

    this video is really really really understating peru's presence in the entire conflict. For one it was the original and only viceroyalty in america during the hapsburg era of the spanish empire. And despite you saying the rugged and accidented terrain is why spanish america is not united, yet the original viceroyalty of peru held everything from Panama to the Patagonia from 200+ years until Carlos III.
    This is also to say, Peru was the most loyal out of all the viceroyalties in Peru. There was no initial impetus from anyone to declare independence there, it was all work done by both San Martin and Bolivar which then later propped up caudillos from peru proper. But before this the royal army of Peru was essentially a humongous bulk of this "royalist" force you speak of. It's so easy to just call the royalists spanish as if they were The royalists, when really for a grand majority it was the same mestizos, criollos, indigenous from the territories. In fact the royalist side actually did include a greater portion of indigenous and slave-descent soldiers since the wars of "independence" (more like secession really) would not benefit them as it was a very very criollo project.
    But back to Peru, a lot of those counter reconquistas you mentioned in the video were in fact done by Peru. They were the ones marching in Santiago, Buenos aires, cartagena, Quito. So to a lot of the rest of hispanoamericans in south america Peru was seen as an imperial juggernaut and bulwark. They were forced to act against Peru as a sort of way to guarantee that they wouldn;t get reconquista'd again like they already had. And in the end the only reason they won was because Peru imploded in chaos just before the "independist" side did themselves.
    Which is how it ties in to how Spain's politics did ruin Peru, and the exact issue that later became the carlist vs liberals was the death sentence for peru. The thing is that Ferdinand VII in 1820 wanted to send 20,000 troops to south america and quell the rebellions. Instead the troops go and commit a coup lead by rafael de riego and impose the liberal constitution of 1812. It's interesting how it lines up since when San Martin declares independence for Peru, Peru was being independized not even against the crown but against the liberal junta of that time.
    It was during this period that a lot of the fighting back was done by royalists though, and surprisingly enough they were winning. Viceroy de la serna would start moving the capital and everything to avoid defeat, and as previously mentioned the fact that the indigenous were on his side made the andes a very strong fortress. But then 1823 came. Ferdinand VII finally comes back to power in the throne.... and the first thing he does is throw everything the trienio liberal had done. And by everything it was literally all of it. Viceroy de la serna was now in a complete legal void, since he was a viceroy appointed during the trienio liberal. This gave the chance to this one general Olañeta to rebel on the side of the conservative king as opposed to a liberal viceroy. The rebellion of Olañeta was a HUGE drain on peruvian forces, not just from the defects but fighting it back costed lots of lives. Some could even say that Olañeta in Peru was more pivotal to causing the actual independence than even bolivar himself who was losing on his end up until that point. The battle of Junin was a decisive one for this reason, as it was one where the independists had actually won and it only marked the end for the viceroyalty of peru. Peru in the end lost all of its stability since now the "presidents" were almost always caudillos elected by themselves pulling coups and this kept on for a really long time after independence, both Bolivar and the british put Peru in debt and asked for money back from literally being independized against its will. Even Bolivar himself had said "Peru gained nothing except its own independence".
    Simon Bolivar himself in Peru to this day is not a very well regarded figure at all. As you mention he was made literally the first dictator of south america by the bootlicking congress of Peru. Bolivar abused his power and his constitucion vitalicia only lasted a few days since the man ended up getting kicked out rather soon after taking power. Bolivar for his part would openly state in letters how he disliked peruvians and quiteñans and had quite the vitriolic things to say about them, which is also in part why he took guayaquil and created bolivia as we know it. The Gran-colombo peruvian war was also a thing in this, where the territories of Maynas, tumbes, and Jaen fought to stay in peru alongside peru itself. They felt themselves more part of Peru than gran-colombinos and unlike guayaquil they succeeded in staying apart of peru in the end.
    As for other miscellaneous comments, by 1796 the spanish americas already had the common hispanic market which was set up in 1778. This market was literally the reason Buenos aires became relevant in any way whatsoever through the leather trade. Before this point it was merely a backwater that had no spanish military presence, relied on contraband to even thrive, and was a very fringe portion of the viceroyalty of peru before becoming part of the newly made rio de la plata viceroyalty. It's so ironic how places that were being treated better like buenos aires and became rich as well ended up being the most secessionist, meanwhile Peru that lost a good portion of its territory stayed loyal to spain until the end.
    Also speaking of secessionists, its no surprise as you mention the british movements during this time. All of the independist leaders from O'higgins, to Don Jose de San martin, and Bolivar were all into english masonry and this played a huge role in what they ended up doing in the end.
    Speaking of which I found funny the bit with O'higgins becoming chilean, since in the end he was actually kicked out from Chile and went to live his final days back in Peru. To this day the house of O'higgins in Lima is still there.
    Lastly Mexico and this whole part of New Spain as a whole declared independence as a result of the conservative vs liberal politics too. It was done however much more peaceful relatively than south america, as both the criollos mestizos and indigenous caciques and powerful people were more uniliterally agreeing that Spain being so liberal was not gonna fly. Good to note that this independence also just so happens to be in 1821... which was trienio liberal time.
    All of these political conflicts were all exarcerbated as a result of the napoleonic wars. But had in many ways roots coming back all the way from the bourbon reforms, the same bourbon reforms that split peru and created so many of the modern borders we know, promoted absolutism, removed all the jesuits (which were the very soul of how some of these viceroyalties were so big to begin with), gave places like buenos aires and venezuela the power to exercise what they did. In the end a lot of reasons all coalleced in this sort of sequence of events, and lead an otherwise very prosperous empire that lasted 300 years to end in said part of the world.

  • @raphgalban2007
    @raphgalban2007 Pƙed 3 dny +3

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny +3

      đŸ‡”đŸ‡­ and đŸ‡§đŸ‡· are everywhere in the comments hahaha love it!

    • @raphgalban2007
      @raphgalban2007 Pƙed 3 dny +1

      Oh and about the Novales Revolt, his officers were disgruntled “Americanos” i.e. Mexico, Peru, etc. and they captured the entire city of Manila except for Fort Santiago, which his brother controlled. Cheers!

  • @LuisRodriguez-tm1ld
    @LuisRodriguez-tm1ld Pƙed 4 dny +2

    A few reasons.. Geography, Regionalism, and lastly Hispanics don’t get along with each other.

  • @Mozzie09
    @Mozzie09 Pƙed 4 dny +1

    I would love to see a video about the American Revolution and like the war of 1812 and Mexican American war in the style of this!

    • @icebulb
      @icebulb  Pƙed 3 dny

      Those are all in my To-Do list (except for the American Revolution, because it was covered by Oversimplified)