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- Dune Scene Stars: Kyle MacLachlan, Francesca Annis, Jürgen Prochnow, Silvana Mangano Director: David Lynch Writers: Frank Herbert, David Lynch Producer: Raffaella De Laurentiis Music: TOTO Production: Dino De Laurentiis Company, Estudios Churubusco Azteca S.A. Distributon: Universal Pictures Released: 1984
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Love the baroque framing around a giant docking bay entrance.
TRUESEPH Keepin’ it fancy! I mean these people are Royalty of not just one kingdom but the entire Universe! They gotta flaunt it!
The production design was awesome.
Oh yass... this is a strangebeauty kind of thing ... The whole movie is like this way
I _adore_ that detail.
Details like this give parts of the Movie a very Warhammer 40k-kind of feel.
For those not in the know, Spice doesn't actually fold space. The folding of space is done with a Holtzman engine. The spice gives the navigators prescience to see obstacles in space and plot a course safely. Without the prescience of spice, interstellar travel was a bit of a gamble.
Gamble? More like a near-certainty you would hit an object and destroy the vessel. Without Spice Prescience space-travel would be impossible.
@@Shamino1 probably not true really, space is actually pretty empty - two whole galaxy's can merge together without a single star colliding
@@Shamino1 Not a near certainty for a single trip. Each trip was a 1 in 10 chance of being destroyed in the books. But of course this is unacceptable odds for travel and cargo hauling, imagine 1 out of 10 passenger planes crashing daily. Each Heighliner ship could carry massive amounts of cargo, multiple Great Houses worth. 1 ship lost would be devastating.
@@Shamino1 I wouldn't say impossible but very highly improbable.
Good to know because I was wondering how spice folded space but that makes way more sense
This movie has one of the most striking contrasts of getting things right and getting things wrong that you'll ever see..
Very true. But whatever its flaws I love this movie
BradiKal61 yeah but no one could have done better at the time. With that technology
I remember watching it for the first time, I was about 10 and I was completely baffled, after watching it again I was still a bit confused, but having read the book it was easier.
@@nopenope8249 Except for Spielberg, Lucas & Industrial Light & Magic for Star Wars nearly 10 years previously
Simon Errock we are talking about Dune you ass clown
Star Wars gives you the hyperdrive. Star Trek gives you the warp drive. Dune gives you a mutant man slug tripping nuts in a control room. Love it!
Warhammer 40,000 makes you go through hell
@@fludbludAlso you may end up traveling through time.
Babylon 5 give you Subspace, which guarantees nothing, except some trouble sometimes.
I’ll believe that you can fold space once I see someone folding water and folding air in half. Good luck! L O L
@@StalkerX86 B5's subspace is the closest thing other universes have to showing "calm Warpspace".. its a dimension "behind" our own, thats psychoactive(makes telepath stronger) & so vast, no one really knows how large it is, or where the eddys will take you, exept for charted courses!
Dune from 1984 had one of the best sound tracks ever.
You bet it, Brian Eno and Toto
For the passengers, the actual FTL travel is a bit of an anti-climax. It's a bit like packing your cases, loading up the car, and driving next door.
And really not driving at all- just getting back out and being next door, except in a totally different country
Yep, traveling always require a perfect balance. Not too long not to short, for enjoy the trip.
Nope, its more amazing than that. Imagine if you are sitting in your bed and it suddenly becomes sand and your bedroom wall becomes ocean waves, congrats you just folded space. You remain station but your location appears around you.
@@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319 That happens every weekend - when I smoke the good stuff!
@@mandolinic Spice melange is similar to drugs, lol.
I loved seeing Steven Segal as the guild navigator worm thing. Perfect casting.
Not an ounce of makeup needed.
😆 he’s mutated into a space worm
😂😂😂
Riiight? Glad he's still getting roles playing himself.
I lol'd!
This scene is a clear example of why Lynch's Dune is still remembered: yes, the VFX are bad even for 1984. Yes, it changes the novel's lore. But it's incredibly visionary and surreal - and, as such, it does captures the novel's bizarre atmosphere. It really looks like an alien world that is only populated by humans prone on holy wars and mystic journeys.
The visuals are all over the place. Some look actually pretty good I think like the first shot of the ships in lines moving to the highliner and others are wildly bad. The scene after this with the highliner appearing in Dune orbit looks like a cell shaded cartoon cutout overlaying the dune/starfield image. The movie in general is all over the place in music, visuals, pacing...
And the Villeneuve movie misses the mark. The visuals are drab, monochrome, boring whereas Lynch's movie is balls-out weird.
@@plaxusvendant2983 Compared to Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 a space odyssey some of the optical effects are weak, but still memorable. Not one scene in the remake is memorable IMO. He really did feminize the film as intended. Black women on Arakkis.
@@rancosteel i know you wanna clap their cheeks
@@UC4AQUgrQ9EwVIGoF0w7xHXg who cheeks?
I know this film gets a lot of bad raps but I still love it cause it's both weird and oddly beautiful at the same time.
That's my feelings exactly. Thank you, I feel less alone now!
pspboy7 it's a could have been film.
The colour range and tone of the new Dune is like staring at a bowl of porridge, compared to Lynch's Dune. I will always love this film without guilt.
Me too! Especially this entire scene, with the score. Makes me wish I had seen it in a theater, but I was too young when it came out.
@@reginal.898 Yes I love that Navigator; it's so cute.
I love the 'old world' look to everything. The level of detail on the 'entry door' to the fold ship is amazing.
Viewer- 'The Duke's ships are huge!'
Guild Navigator- 'Hold my spice'
This scene perfectly shows the mystery of Dune, why spice is needed for space navigation, why Guild Navigators are important, all missing from the new movie...
Mores the pity
I love how the Heighliner's hangar bay entrance looks like a baroque gate/doorway made of gold
[violent agreement]
And even given how big the door is, it’s not even visible on the Heighliner in the distance shots. That’s how HUGE Heighliners are.
@@philsmith2444 ikr!
FTL travel in:
Star Wars - fly through tunnels in a sub-space dimension
Star Trek - warp space around the ship and fly in a bubble
Dune (novel) - engine folds space so the ship can hop over to the other side. The navigator uses spice to achieve the mental powers needed for the calculations.
Dune (film): mutated drug addict pukes on a hologram of some planets and the universe is so confused that it just goes with it.
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Yes!!! Finally! Someone understands it!!! It's been a pet peeve of mine. I can now free my pet. Thank you!!!
the movie version makes this all so rediculous, one of the reasons it failed
Warhammer 40k: ship is piloted trough literal hell by a three eyed mutant
FTL travel in:
Stargate - did someone drop a giant magic hula hoop?
People complain that the movie is not true to Herbert, but they miss that the movie is really true to Lynch. The whole movie is as if Lynch read the book and then had an epic fever dream about it. It's beautiful, weird, flawed, and sublime.
This movie is actually infamous for Lynch wanting to be removed as the official director due to so many changes being made to the movie and him not liking the final result.
Just re-read the novel... it was far more faithful to the book than I realized.
@@Rodshark75 that happens when you refuse to add computers into your futuristic universe. However how ships, harvesters and machines operate is kinda a mystery it must be the spice...
FWIW Herbert himself liked Lynch's movie, despite the departures from the novel
Going to be flawed no matter what, there is no way to capture the universe of the novel in a 2 hour movie.
I think the visuals and style and design of David Lynchs Dune was brilliant. Love the film. Exceptional cast.
I visualise the navigator going back to the staff room, lighting a ciggie, and saying "Anyway, where was I..."
More like a spice joint
For a navigator, wouldn’t it be...”Anyway, where will I be...”
hahaha
@@Chunkboi "Where I will have been..."
Yea 😂😂😂
Beautiful set and prop design, i like the new ones but the 1984 version is way more esoteric and freaky
You don’t really see the new ones as they’re in suits.
I know this movie has taken it in the teeth for almost 40 years but i love the film. Great cast, great settings, great models, great atmosphere and of course, any movie with music by TOTO in it, can't be all bad.
Cheap models. Bad special effects.
I love all the whispering
I saw this in a theater back in 1984. I had previously read most of the book, which only somewhat impressed me. This is a very unexpected flavoring of the book and yes the FX look poor in several cases. However, it mixes the sound track and the images in such a way as to give a fairly coherent feeling of being in a truly alien universe. Somewhat like the original "Bladerunner". I would call it a work of art, and as such it will not have the same effect on all viewers. That is part of the magic, and it does have a place in the dune family.
This movie gets shat on a ton but aesthetically I think it's very satisfying
I think it follows the book much more than it's given credit for.
The new movie missed this hauntingly beautiful scene.
Yeah, I thought it was cool that Lynch spent some time on the Highliners and the Guildsmen. Villeneuve completely ignores it, but he's being true to the book. There's very little mention of it in the first book.
I like the new movie
To be fair, the first book doesn't talk about any of this, so in that respect the new movie is being faithful to the book. If there are more Dune movies for the later books, I expect we'll see the Guild Navigators there.
@@augustday9483 Yeah, but they for some reason missed Thufir, Piter and Yueh among other things despite having twice as much space as Lynch had and replaced it with what: visions of Zendaya and action scenes.
@@augustday9483 No, the new movie turned the heighliner into a sort of wormhole tunnel where you go in one side, come out on the other in another system. It completely changed the whole purpose of the spice and Navigators.
Still my fav Dune. Some scenes are jaw dropping others evident of a rushed production. They all seem to fit perfectly though.
This movie is unforgettable.
I love the set design and aesthetics. Lynch is timeless even though this film was not perfect, I still regard it as a great adaptation as a one off.
Lynch didn't like it and wanted his name removed from the credits. Maybe he changed his mind now that it has a cult following?
Whatever it got wrong, the set designs are amazing!
I just dig how the 3rd stage guild navigator vomits out the destination from starting point! Oh, Lynch you are one strange man.
This film is so trippy, love it so much.
The books are awesome aswell
completely underrated movie and decades ahead of its time
Dune is just.... weird.... it’s like two people can watch the same movie and see two different things. I watch it and I’m amazed, other people watch it and say they just watched a dog turd lit on fire. I love this movie and it’s one of my favorites, it’s just so damn different and it took a lot of balls to make a movie like this.
You have a few types. People who read the book and dislike how different this is. That is fair, I watch this as a David Lynch movie more than as an adaptation of a Frank Herbert novel. Then you have people that just have no imagination and want things to be normal and explained to them simply. Being that this is Lynch you just have too much surrealism for them. And then you have people that can just accept it as an individual piece of art, with all its flaws but still be in awe of how beautiful it is as a whole. Like us, I presume.
I appreciate this film when I look at stills of it.
I hate it when I’m watching the actual film.
I know what you mean, Frank. Kind of like how two different Puerto Ricans can....hang on....oh shit, cops just kicked my door in.
I mean,the books by Frank Herbert are chuckfull with weird shit.
People snorting sandworm-poo LSD and getting strange powers,turning into half human/sandworm hybrid "gods" and what not...
David Lynch just added some of his own weirdness to it.
A lot of balls, no marbles.
Holy shit, I just realized that the pug in MIB is a Dune reference. 🤣
Me too 🤯 thanks!
Can you explain how it's a reference?
@@MegaDRKSTR well there's def a chance that the MIB writers/producers had never seen Dune and happened upon the pug idea totally novelly, but that would just be an unlikely coincidence, while the case of it being shoutout or reference or trope or whatever you want to call it would be a more likely and is a common thing to do in movies, especially movies of the same genre, and especially MIB which utilizes a lot of other sci-fi elements that they didn't come up with all on their own.
Influence and inspiration are powerful and crop up everywhere. I honestly think that people who care a lot about considering their ideas as novel are on the wrong path. There is use in it, like if you want to make the most money for yourself and guard and maximize your own interests, but I think it's more useful to consider yourself as part of a larger whole, even if it forfeits some profit you could have gotten ensuring copyrights and the like.
Even if you were the first person to come up with a chord or to deem a plot of land yours, emphasizing how your piece is just part of systems greater than yourself is the better reference frame than the self-centered one where you don't emphasize the larger systems and instead focus on your own ownership.
Holy shit, I agree !
Too bad MIB didn't have a
whole litter of talking Pugs !
me too! and I've watched both multiple times!
The first time I saw this at the theater I was 80% lost. I saw it three years later after taking some hallucinogenic mushrooms and it made perfect sense.
That's because when you watch it on mushrooms, the movie is six hours long.
I watched DUNE in a theater in the 1980s and 75% confused, 10% lost because I couldn't follow it, 15% pissed off because it cost a lot for the tickets and I wasted three hours and felt I had been had.
It didn't make any sense for you then either, you're just trying to sound cool
I'm still lost on the fish pooping out spice haha
Its great to watch high. Highly recommended.
3:04 my favorite score transition in all of film. It's like Kubrick's bone but sonicly, just perfect art.
Totally agree man - it’s kind of transcendental
It's really good! Kinda reminds me of Radiohead.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Decks Dark (on the heighliner)
4:26 This scene is something modern films cannot do.
why?
@@enzog8245 Because modern filming uses a non-realistic myopic style. The everyday realistic style long shots used in Dune would be frowned upon as too old fashioned. And modern cameras have multiple focus meaning it wouldn't even be physically possible unless you turned off a lot of its automatic features, which would relegate the shots to an "art style" that would be criticised as being amateur.
"Wow, those ships are huge"
"Whoa, there's a lot of them..."
*HUGE ORNATE SHIP BAY OPENING MADE OF GOLD*
"Whaaaaaa-"
It makes a lot of sense actually.
@@georgsgrants9925 Explain?
The imperium of man would like to know your location.
Imagine bringing someone from 20000 years ago into our time...everything would be 'whhaaa!' for them too.
LMAO
The last couple of shots of the disembarked troops with the heat haze are fantastic
That is just brilliant, isn't it? There is a lot here that is astonishingly good, and yet...
That score, incredible! Toto/Brian Eno is to Dune what Vangelis is to Blade Runner
@Cataclysmic Dildoser I thought / hoped so regarding him and BladeRunner 2049.
But his 2049 score was pretty forgettable.
The music when they arrive is.. i cannot find the words but, heyy, we are in the far future, traveling the space, and just arrived to this planet, than you have sand and sand and this beautyful epic music this is art
Haunting, mesmerizing…
@@mysticmarble94 they should have used El-P
@@mysticmarble94 Hans Zimmer did the score for 2049, not Vangelis. I like the 2049 score, but to each their own.
i wished Denis Villeneuve explored more about the spacing guild in his movies
I love the long scenes, fade transitions and mysterious music, it kind of puts you in a trance like state following a stream of conciousness. The slow pace allows you to gaze at some of these panoramic shots in awe and take in all the amazing details they put in, like the trail of ships slowly making the trip one behind the other up into space towards the monolithic docking ship, the ships then entering through the gigantic fancy gold frame fading to a closer shot of the giant gold frame while still following the ships, the ships docking and then the camera panning up from the docked ships as you hear other ships docking in the background. Also, the amazing matte painting by Albert Whitlock as they land on the planet at 4:10, that is a lost art. In that shot I always felt the perspective, lighting, great detail, speed of the ships looked just right plus the mysterious music were all working together and litterally transporting you to that world.
Thanks for the time stamp! I went back and watched it again. Good representation of the Sheild Wall and seitches.
true, hard to see nowadays
Same, i get that with 2001 Space Odyssey too.
people these days hate these sequernces sadly
And now for the bravery test. Let's a put happy tree just here, and give it a little friend just here. You know me, everybody needs a friend.
Albert! That's the fourth matte painting you've ruined with those f-ing trees!!
I whish I was in the room when Lynch was trying to explain this scene to the storyboard artists and FX crew.
@@avae5343 Acid. Lots and lots of acid
Talk about taking the spice...
Maybe this movie is an allegory about drug trips , like 'Puff the magic dragon' was in the 60s
@@obo7707 You sound like you aren't familiar with David Lynch's movies. The craziness in Dune is par for the course in his filmography. It just doesn't work in the Dune movie because it's based on someone else's work.
The production design was the real highlight of Lynch's Dune.
I forgot I'd been to see the new Dune at IMAX a month ago...I will never forget this film...
The Lynch movie has this baroque style you see here. I'm no longer certain what happened first, reading the novel or watching the movie... They influenced each other profoundly. A fantastic music track as well. I prefer telling the story by Villeneuve but I prefer the old movie's music and visual style.
I wonder what would have been the infuence on scifi movies if Jodorowsky's Dune 1970s movie were made. We'll never know now...
Dune is a such a visual treat. I know it's flawed, but I've always loved this film.
I read the book before I watched the film. Jesus, Lynch fucking nailed the look of Arrakeen, for the most part.
Arrakis
Lynch's Dune is just incredible. The sets, costumes, designs and overall attention to details are so cool. An underrated gem.
Yes!
Well said!
I don't dig the Baron...but overall this is the best Dune you can see on screen to date, period.
The new Dune is far better, but this comes close.
@@crazybabuskaman3923 Nope, it needs part 2 to confirm that it's better. For now it's just a nice movie with very nice visuals that ends abruptly.
I love how the music instantly changes when they fold space. It's like the planets or space itself is making the music.
Music is amazing as well
It's eerily beautiful, isn't it?
I was a very impressionable young boy when I first saw this movie, and I believe that this was the first scene of the movie that I saw. I had to watch it through the snow of a channel that we somehow were getting but were not totally supposed to be. I could not get enough of this film. I just bought and watched the newer version on Saturday. While the new one was good the strong soundtrack was missing as well as the striking visuals. I guess I will always have a big place in my heart for this version no matter what anyone says.
med.c
I really hoped we would be treated to a new interpretation of this scene in the new movie. But as it seems the old one stands unchallenged
Absolutely amazing movie for its time Had just read the novel and then saw this!!! It was the 80's and special effects that looked amazing at the time Read all 8 books This is an amazing movie Make sure you watch the extended version Brilliant
The spiceddiver cut ?
It's such a bad book adaptation and yet a movie that I love dearly because of its outrageous weirdness, atmosphere, and music.
You nailed it
@@PatousMcGillicuddy Thanks mate!
And now, thanks to Villeneuve, we got an awesome book adaptation besides this little pearl of weirdness. 😉
Lynch's 1984 Dune film, came on one Saturday a month, on local network TV, in the late 80's....I used to watch it pretty often and thought it was fascinating, weird and astonishingly good at the same time... The internal narration of Paul was the factor that made it so intriguing, mystical and oddly powerful.... I don't care what the critics say, it was brilliant
Little known fact about Dune: In the super extended version the Pug folds food into its mouth. "The spiced Beef must flow!"
Snore
Love the steampunk design of the space ship and the incredible size of the navigator ships...
A literal worm hole made by a worm.
The navigator looks so cute, lol. I like its scraggly little arms.
"The guild demands belly rubs"
T-rex arms.
The visuals of this movie are the best ever. Set designs are exquisite. Soundtrack is gorgeous (except for the Toto guitar parts). This sequence features the prophecy theme by Brian Eno which is fabulous. Flawed as this movie is, it created the perfect imagery in my mind to go with reading the books.
Lady jessica is such a fox
1:15 is that the? WAIT A SECOND!
That’s the same actor from Men In Black!
What the hell was Frank doing in Dune!?
hahahaha, alien pug.
duh he wrote the book
Slow roasting, apparently.
This shit looked so good man complete different vibe from Vellenuve.
Villeneuve lacks vision. He tries to pass off minimalism as some form of individual style when its clear he lacks any
Much better than the you know what version
My 1973 Dodge Van had the same interior.
It's the windows.
That's because it was shot on location, evidently without your permission.
I actually prefer this version of Dune. There is a sense that the future is ancient, it's more mysterious.
The Guild Navigator sequence has to be the MOST David Lynch part of this entire movie. As in - the producers just let him go and be free on this one scene to be all-out LSD fueled trippy.
It's straight "Eraserhead"
"Pugs in Space, space, space.."
This scene puts Eno's "Prophecy Theme" to great use. I wish Villeneuve would have used it in his adaptation.
The sets were amazing for this movie. Everything has a very ceremonial and symbolic feel. No cold steel glass and simple lines. Very baroque ornamental luxurious. Even the giant doorway of the guild highline is framed by a filigree gilded in gold. The chairs that Paul Leto and Jessica sit in are not utilitarian but leather high backed and plush. It's wonderful to see how opulent travel for the nobles is in the imperium. Folding space is far better than any other form of travel. It's near instantaneous. No long tedious journey in cramped quarters. You can bring enormous amounts of chattel with you. Their is no need to keep people alive with life support for a long journey, or wasting space with engines or fuel. Just a simple great cylinder that stores thousands of personal cargo containers.
Special effects guy to David Lynch: "So,how trippy do you want the whole space-folding sequence to look,in the movie?"
David Lynch: "YES!!!"
At least the first film tried to get the navigators right. Dune 1 and 2 completely ignored them. Really disappointing
The 80s just has a different aesthetic you wouldn't get today.
We have a gold mirror in our bathroom because of 0:47.
That imagery has stuck with me for years.
This film gets some stick but I love it.
Yeah, that (gigantic) bit of Baroque design was an interesting touch. My favorite moment in the film.
It's not that the 1984 Dune was hit and miss...but that it had wonderful imagination and design style to it's visuals that outstrip the new film. Who can forget those third stage guild navigator scenes or the vision of a wild baron harkonnen laughing maniacally while spinning round and round that jet of steam!!?
In spite of all the limitations of the VFX of the 80's, Dunes has IMO some of the finest and most captivating and engaging scenography ever seen in sci-fi movies.
3:15 soundtrack so amazing, sounds like blade runner scene like tears drops in the rain.
Initiate Gellar Field.
The Emperor protects.
GW stripmined dune to make 40k
Heretic, Find them 🔨
Yes. He Does.
@@LOLHAMMER45678 GW made an epic dune
Death to the false Emperor!
I can't believe they didn't do this scene in the new Dune movie. I was really looking forward to how cool and interesting they could've made it. Every since I saw Interstellar's wormhole scene, I've been dying to see how a modern interpretation of Folding space in Dune would be imagined. But there was nothing. So Dissapointed.
Cinematography top notch!
All of the tech in this movie has a very steampunk look to it.
Dune is steamp.. cyberpunk itself
Yes, machines with any sort of internal memory or computation ability were outlawed and the technology banned and destroyed. Leaving only simple machines with human computers to do all the calculations.
Don't let that ruin the experience ;)
Takes a lot of brass to say that.
It's like its inspired by all those UFO sightings that people witnessed.
So let me get this straight. They got a crackhead so high he transformed into a weird slug and can now bend space time?
Acidhead. He predicts a future safe path. The engines do the jump
so awesome. better than Dune 21 in many ways
That Guild Navigator scene looks like something straight out of Twin Peaks: The Return.
classic scifi of the 80s.. slower, more detailed, vibrant and an amazing musical score to add emphasis to key scenes.
I wish we had movies with today’s special effects with 80s sets and storytelling. I feel like movie sets and backgrounds are all just boring black and gray. And they rely too much on explosions and fights
They took book about war between Jihadists in Caucasus and Russian Empire, consumed some heavy "melange" - and "Dune" was the result.
Its such a shame some of the styles didnt cross over into future sci fi movies
My ideal version of 'Dune' would probably be Villeneuve's script and direction, but mostly using Lynch's art direction and production design.
Meh. I've read some of the dialog of DV's version. "Let's have the Emperor be sad that he blowed up House Atreides. blegh.
This movie is STILL one of the most epic and realistic imaginings of the future. I always put this on now and then ti watch it again and again. Sorry but Ive seen clips of the 'remake' of Dune and they dont even come CLOSE to the atmosphere of this original work! The music alone is incredible.
It’s good to see that the baby from Eraserhead got work as a navigator.
Yes there are major issues....but this movie will always have a very special place in my heart...
This is one of the very few small problems I had with the new Dune films. They dont really help people understand just why Spice is so important.
Yeah its briefly mentioned in the beginning and a massive cylindrical engine ship is shown, but then completely ignored... the whole reason for spice production is this exact sequence, to space travel faster, and to extend life but with a cost of mutation. All this is missing from new movie, I think modern audience are not smart enough to grasp deeper concepts like this.
@@artmaknev3738 The spice importance and the importance of the guild navigators. Also... was I the only one disappointed by the worms in the new dune2?
@@ClarkeIllmaticalwhy?
@@abraxasee8946 It wasn't impressive. I felt Lynch did more with the worms. DUNE 2 worms, focus on Spice was really bad.
DUNE 2 looks good, but if part 3 is not GREAT - Lynch's film will age better.
@@ClarkeIllmaticali'm sorry but you have fucking clinical brain death if you think Lynch's dune will AGE BETTER than the new one 😭😭
The gilded doorway is a fantastic touch
It seems that most people commenting on this don't understand that Lynch's work is meant to appeal to the emotions, not facts and logic. His art is a mixture of surrealism and gothicism, not realism or rationalism. It's interpretive, not replicative. Despite its departures from the book, this is one of his best films. It's a surreal/gothic masterpiece. That's why it has a cult following; despite Lynch's own dissatisfaction with it, he created something that made a lasting impression.
That's where it killed it for me, the cult type of environment. Movies that have weird folk enforcing their will because "beliefs" just irritates me.
I'm a dude who likes to see advanced tech, not weird organisms laser puking planets.
It's been years since I've seen this movie and I didn't remember much of it due to lack of interest.
Doesn't mean it's a bad movie, clearly you enjoyed it as well as many others and it's getting a remake! I'm just picky myself
@@sacr3 A cult following is a small but passionate fanbase. That has nothing to do with what's in the movie itself.
Have you even read the book? It's entirely about cults controlling the universe with remnants of belief systems like Monarchism, Islam and Christianity. Lynch didn't change any of that, and if this version follows the book, it won't either. So if that's the cult type environment you're referring to, you should probably be looking elsewhere for your entertainment.
The entire series of books is about a civilization without advanced technology: no computers, no robots, both of which were banned by royal decree. That's why they have the Space Guild, the Mentats, the Bene Gesserit, etc.: people with mystical powers or savant level intelligence to fill the void left by the absence of advanced technology. There is very little advanced technology in the Dune universe; only global socialist monarchies directing the building of vast infrastructure to support a spacefaring empire. That may seem highly advanced, but that has little to do with technological advance. In fact, most of it relies on the unifying power of religion, mysticism, and paranormal activity. Herbert himself was making a point about our own civilization's advancements, which are more sociological wonders than technological.
Aside from space travel, genetic engineering that is a stage beyond our own capacities and a few other minor things, there is little in the Dune universe that can't be replicated with modern technology. In fact, it depicts a ruthless and barbaric authoritarian civilization that has technologically advanced very little in 10,000 years.
The glory of Dune is perverse glory, not righteous glory. That's how Herbert intended it. It was a warning against Monarchism, Imperialism, Socialism, state religions, resource mongering and dependency infrastructures, social engineering, cults of personality, rigidly defined classes, caste systems, insane racial and ethnic divisions, eugenics, the guidance of civilization by gurus seeking to fulfill prophecies, etc., etc. The intention is for the audience to look past the depictions of superficial glory and see the perversity and savagery of all of that as it really exists. Lynch tried to portray that in keeping with Herbert's vision, but most people missed the point. I think the same thing will happen with this film.
All art is an artists' rendition. I suspect this film will be no different, regardless of how much it might stick to the books. I'm just hoping that it won't be the typical socialist propaganda that we're seeing in today's films and TV shows. If so, then it will be a huge artistic failure, because the story itself is a condemnation of all that.
@@BatEatsMoth Jesus bud, listen there are millions if not a couple billion that dislike this movie for their own reasons.
This movie gave me too much of a cult/religious taste in my mouth and I'm no fan.
Therefore I didn't like this movie and how they portrayed things like, well, this FTL travel. My preference is with advanced technologies, but show me a flying space fetus shooting energy from its mouth and you'll lose me right away.
May as well just make it a giraffe that shits out universal locations if we're going to make no sense.
@@sacr3 Hey that's fine with me, but you're barking up the wrong tree with the new one because it's still just a film adaptation of Herbert's novel, which is 100% about the sort of things you don't like to see in a sci fi movie.
@@BatEatsMoth fair enough chief! It's a well known film and my old man adores it. So who knows, I may go visit the old man and watch it with him. Maybe it'll surprise me.
Either way I show some form of support even if I walk out upset.
I loved this movie as a kid 😎
0:00 to 1:47 was actually done better in this version than in the new one
A flawed but still brilliant movie. The set design, and the costumes were absolutely gorgeous. All the 3 major players, the Atriedes, the Harkonnens, and the Emperor, had their distinct styles.
The 1984 Dune movie still looks good in 2020.
The first desert scene and music is clearly the best part of the whole movie and what singlehandedly justifies it.
Why they didn't show this process in the new film, feels like a really good way to explain the importance of spice...not saying that its necessary to show a beam of light coming out from the navigator's arse, but just some closeup of the giant navigator ship, some processes that are happening there and maybe a glimpse of distorted navigator.
I think Denis Villeneuve have his very own style. He try to make something new but resonable for the Audiences who not really read the novel before can enjoy. My opinion, both David Lynch and Dennis Villeneuve did very good at space visual. Dennis of course with advance CGI can open many door never be open before But Lynch movie did very good at music, creative background and character building
@@BELIVE114 yes but now my friend who never watched the old dune movie, thinks that spice gives you psychic powers... like jedi in starwars. He thinks that navigators are those women dressed in black...arghhh, missing the Space Guild explanation was kind of a mistake in Part 1, hope it will be explained better in Part 2.
Lynch is so magnificent in capturing the essence of the book. You can pour dozens of millions in random video game effects montages and have your basic anime-ninja sequences with 0 emotional effect or interest. I'm hoping we get something more than surface this year instead of being mind-killed...
The ethereal soundtrack in this movie is what the 2021 movie needed
So...no one is going to comment on the giant Space Fetus shooting gold beams out of its nose? No one? Ok.
Nazeem Oh, that was his nose? It seemed like it came out the other end
Nothing to see here. Move along...
They hired the director of Eraserhead to make this. It kind of goes without saying there will be weird shit like this all over the movie.
And the Oscar for "Best cinematic use of a Turkey's ass" goes to....
I thought it looked like a giant huhu grub or whitchity grub and agreed it was hooting what ever out of its bum, somehow it did not quiet fit the bill, a sort of mutated Jubba The Hutt
The travelling without moving scene is by far the best thing about 1984 Dune.
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They enter a ship in the size of a "star destroyer" and do not fly anywhere directly; dozens of those shipes have to get in a giant space ship. I LOVE it!
Its going to be very hard for DUNE 2021 , to show this scene in such a magical , and otherworldly way.Cant wait
I heard rumors that there is no such scene in the 2021 movie but I'm not sure 😭😭
@@mysticmarble94 Well?
@@dubuyajay9964 Yeah, he was right.
It actually made no sense, for all I care that thing could have been a recycled monster from another aborted movie.