Don’t think of it as rust, accumulating on the floor. No, not at all. That’s glorious heaps of British motoring history. Ahh, the old spare wheel on the rear door routine. A comedy classic.
Thank your including time stamps. I think the Morris is too rusted at this point, feels like a road safety issue. Really excited for having the MR2 working again. Looking forward to the next episode. Keep up the good work.
But on the other hand, you then have to require this to pass modern emissions standards. So you either have weaker standards for new cars or push old cars off the road. I suppose you could have a more holistic approach, but then garages risk getting sued for X and can't hide behind a tick box. So unless it's shown to be a problem I think think the current approach is a good balance.
@@benholroyd5221 Morris Minors needed MOTs until fairly recently and didn't need to meet modern standards. Certain things are only required if a vehicle was first used after a certain date.
@@benholroyd5221 Emission tests are aged base and always have been. So old cars aren't subject to the same levels of testing. See also seat belts among other things that differ with age.
In days gone by it was not uncommon for the floors of relatively recent cars to simply drop out, in Canada. Lots of road salt and un-galvanised metal does that.
Please Lawrie for the sake of your own safety and everyone else's on the road scrap the Moggy.....and I'm not being funny, that car is beyond saving. Matt, why were you surprised that you sheered the bolt?....when you were tightening it!
I know this is a year old now, but, you're tightening (23:25) the lower hinge bolts on the door! At 26:00, beef up the mounting points behind the tie-downs, ratchet straps can develop quite a lot of pull and will deform your tie-downs or bend/warp the floor.
It has issues I don't deny, but there are still company's making all the parts for these classics, I can think of a few. Morris registration club and more.
@@Flying_6123 how many more horrors it’s hiding in needs to stripped sand blast or dipped Plus it going cost a lot of money to getting into a road worthy state that’s safe
@@stuartross282 if it costs too much to run again, why not make fit for static display, also if you get a classic car, you expect a lot of issues, my old morris 8 needed a full refit after I got it, so it's not doomed.
Wow what an interesting video from Lawrie & the team at LMM. It looks like the Moggy has turned into Swiss cheese underneath and will need a miracle to get sorted and put back onto the road again. What is happening with the Blue Peugeot 106 that belongs to Lawrie??
Bloody hell. I've had old geezers tell me in the past that moggies have a horrible rep for rust, but I never realised how true it was until now. Farkin ell
Re the Morris 1000, deconstruct it into a pile of useful parts and sell them to get some of your money back, your mate with the jimney needs to weld more thickness into the floor before he bolts the D rings in otherwise they will rip large holes in the floor the first time he tries to strap a load down. Look at the structure of a seat belt fastning and ask himself does my fastning look the same, if not forget it
As you were saying at the start about you being busy over summer. I can agree you have been busy going out places as I noticed yourself, Matt and Morgan at retro rides gathering at Shelsley Walsh.
Oh, I feel your pain. Car recently had it's MOT and whilst it passed it still needed some stuff to be sorted out. Though on the subject of getting another vehicle, I recently emailed you about one.
I can relate to the frustration with cheap pullers far more than I care to admit! May be worth looking at the style of fixed 2-jaw puller of the sort sold for use on Land Rover steering boxes and similar for inspiration, then fabricobbling something similar with some good thick wall box and plate with plenty of gusset action. Even if it can't shift it by itself, plenty of tension on the shaft and a good hard smack on the arm with a chosen instrument of percussive maintenance *should* break the seal and get it moving.
@@Ragnar8504 I have modified a ball joint splitter to get the drop arm off a Series steering box before! (Admittedly after several hours fruitlessly trying with blowtorches, hammers and pullers similar to the ones Laurie discovered to be toss, all inside a top floor flat...) May have since conceded that the pricy "proper" tools might actually be worth the expense.. (Or at least of a design worth ripping off and bodging together myself!)
Was thinking if you get yourself a mini flywheel puller then mod a piece of 10mm flat plate copy the hole patern across from puller to plate then cut a wide u slot in one of the long sides drill and tap the plate to slid behind the arm put your bolts through puller and into plate now you should get an even pull.
Me thinks there will be an exceedingly long shopping list with Moss Europe to get The Moggy back on the road. Other heritage parts suppliers are available.
Kellogg's just released a new Cereal:--"Morris Flakes/Part of a balanced breakfast!" Still,the look on yer face made me stop and think for a moment:--And it made me realize that Cars,ect just don't rust around here in Arizona/New-Mexico! Pick up a rust free Car and you won't have the "Oxidation Blues." I was recently GIVEN a pair of U.S. Spec English Ford Cortina's:-a Black '69 Two Door(Gold Vinyl Interior..)and a Green '70 Cortina Wagon(swapped-in 302-V8/4-Speed with a Black 70's 'Tuck-N-Roll' Interior..). No rust whatsoever,they were stored indoors for decades and the came with loads of spare N.O.S. and used some used Panels. I could sell these for quite a pretty Penny over in the UK. Always enjoyed the Channel BTW. Good stuff.
Swiss Cheese. ....About that other problem? -Weld a home-made slide hammer to it? ...Oh, and how about some old two-stroke mopeds? You know, with pedal cranks. I ride a 1978 Kromag Puch Swinger 2.
Don't forget to use big, thick spreader plates under the bolts for the D-rings, Matt, or they'll just pull through the sheet steel the first time you put a load on them, and make a very, very large hole... The Minor, well, that's not rust, it's just leaking character...
Looks like the one from the famous IKEA tool kit to me (my family owns two, one of the hammers immediately got bent trying to pull out something like a 4d nail).
I have a 1964 Morris minor which had all the floor welded many years ago, it has no paperwork but I do have the heritage certificate, I was going to rebuild it but now I'm not, I need the engine and gearbox and pedals for my present project but for a sensible price, not a lot, you are welcome to the body. Not sure how to contact you directly but if you are interested reply with contact info. I'm in Surrey. All the best
Hello! Please drop us an email at Lawrie@lawriesmechanicalmarvels.com We'd love to explore the possibility of using your shell with my engine - that would be amazing! Kind regards Lawrie
The Morris Minor is very easy to buy repair sections for. Most panels and repair sections are readily available. I used to own one until the wife said it was her or the Minor. I made a mistake and got rid of the Minor.! I got rid of her later!
Another entertaining video Lawrie, that Moggie does seem to have an awful lot of rust though. You say you don’t have a daily at present - what happened to the Avensis that James gave you? Thought that was going to be your new daily?
All is not lost, there is a company called "Morris minor spares" that carry what looks to be all the panels you'll need to restore your Morris miner. Apparently their in Battenhurst Road, Stonegate, East Sussex.
Well that’s what happens when you don’t talk care of your equipment when you live in that tip or environment and lawrie I don’t mean you 😏👍and a good idea for Saluki is maybe turning it into a road toolbox 🧰
i know its been awhile since this video went up but i was re watching it and couldn't help but wonder.. which is worse in terms of rust? the moggy or Red Ruth?
Lawrie, the steam locomotive that has been sitting in my local park for the last 70 years and hasn't seen paint since the 70s probably, is less rotted than your Moggy. sorry, but it's the truth.
What is this feasibility study on the Ruston? It needs tyres first, they'r razor-thin. Lawrie: Why do you manage to buy the rustiest, most clapped out bist of metal? Were you drungk again? Your friend was stabbing the moggie with all the zeal of Jack The Ripper. I was sure the car was going to fall apart on the lift.
STOP using the hammer, you are doing nothing but make the work harder. You need the old stuff to give a 3D former to where the replacement panels are going to go. You need to cut away the old rotten body work in the right order whilst using mole grips to clamp new panels to some remaining bits of the old to keep the shape. Then use tacks of mig weld to hold everything together. You will end up with new panels in the right place connected to either old good metal or carefully cut out patches itself tacked to old good metal. Start with the floor and work outwards. It does work preferably with original manufacturer panels but pattern ones are ok at a pinch. Then carefully weld everything up keeping heat low by small mig runs. Go mad ripping out metal and you will end up trying to join three new panels in mid air with no idea as to exactly where they should meet. Do that and you will be 2 to 3 inches out. Too late now of course.
Every part literally available off the shelf, built by men and rebuild able ,probably not by the kid with a hammer like someone standing on someone else's sandcastle. No sense and a pointless action
Don’t think of it as rust, accumulating on the floor. No, not at all. That’s glorious heaps of British motoring history.
Ahh, the old spare wheel on the rear door routine. A comedy classic.
Worked on Morris Minors as an apprentice. Some restorations used to require everything of the floor to be replaced bar the transmission tunnel..
05:33 Does it count as independent suspension if its not really part of the car anymore? ;)
This is beyond rust, this is just ROT
Morgan is a master at the Jeremy Clarkson school of Auto-body inspection!
You do know that moggie floor panels are a thing. You probably need to replace all of them, but they do exist.
only way to save it is to do a project binky on it and replace all the body shell and repair the body panels and move them over to the new shell
I thought Project Binky was all captive bolts and custom brackets?!?
......4wd turbo morrie minor....there is a precedent
Thank your including time stamps. I think the Morris is too rusted at this point, feels like a road safety issue. Really excited for having the MR2 working again. Looking forward to the next episode. Keep up the good work.
Ah the moggy will be fine. It just needs some new metal!
I was excited for the Mr2 too
The Moggy is a good example of why all road vehicles should have an annual MOT. It would implode if it hit a speed bump at 5pmh.
But on the other hand, you then have to require this to pass modern emissions standards. So you either have weaker standards for new cars or push old cars off the road. I suppose you could have a more holistic approach, but then garages risk getting sued for X and can't hide behind a tick box.
So unless it's shown to be a problem I think think the current approach is a good balance.
@@benholroyd5221 Morris Minors needed MOTs until fairly recently and didn't need to meet modern standards. Certain things are only required if a vehicle was first used after a certain date.
@@richcatsinthewelder5232 it used to be that pre 196X cars were exempt, now it's 40 years old. So many / most minors were exempt anyway.
@@benholroyd5221 Emission tests are aged base and always have been. So old cars aren't subject to the same levels of testing. See also seat belts among other things that differ with age.
In days gone by it was not uncommon for the floors of relatively recent cars to simply drop out, in Canada. Lots of road salt and un-galvanised metal does that.
The poor moggy has more rot than the dodge and that’s saying something - getting that arm off the MF I would use a bearing splitter and puller combo
Usually when you want to remove a bolt you turn it in the direction that LOOSENS it...
Ye but sometimes the easiest way to undo it is to go tight then tighter then tighter then a hammer
Wow! I thought my Mini had a bad floor but that Morris is another level. Good luck!
Please Lawrie for the sake of your own safety and everyone else's on the road scrap the Moggy.....and I'm not being funny, that car is beyond saving. Matt, why were you surprised that you sheered the bolt?....when you were tightening it!
I know this is a year old now, but, you're tightening (23:25) the lower hinge bolts on the door!
At 26:00, beef up the mounting points behind the tie-downs, ratchet straps can develop quite a lot of pull and will deform your tie-downs or bend/warp the floor.
Lovely to see things progressing! :) Enjoyable video as always gents!
No updates on Morgan's FIATs or Trev's Kia Pride?
I'd love to see you save the minor, because they are lovely cars, but if it costs too much don't strain.
Personally I think it’s scrap
@@stuartross282 better to try save then give up straight away.
It has issues I don't deny, but there are still company's making all the parts for these classics, I can think of a few. Morris registration club and more.
@@Flying_6123 how many more horrors it’s hiding in needs to stripped sand blast or dipped
Plus it going cost a lot of money to getting into a road worthy state that’s safe
@@stuartross282 if it costs too much to run again, why not make fit for static display, also if you get a classic car, you expect a lot of issues, my old morris 8 needed a full refit after I got it, so it's not doomed.
The Moggy's holes have holes, where there isn't rust....
It's not that bad, it's worse :-(
"Its rotten lawrie"
"It's not that bad!......send it!"🤣
In Rust we Trust
Wow what an interesting video from Lawrie & the team at LMM. It looks like the Moggy has turned into Swiss cheese underneath and will need a miracle to get sorted and put back onto the road again. What is happening with the Blue Peugeot 106 that belongs to Lawrie??
The Jimny bolt sheared off because you were turning it the wrong way!!! Lefty-loosey righty-tighty. Watch the video again
Bloody hell. I've had old geezers tell me in the past that moggies have a horrible rep for rust, but I never realised how true it was until now. Farkin ell
Yeap, very much living up to its reputation
great video as always also I have never in all my years seen that much rot on one Vehicle
Re the Morris 1000, deconstruct it into a pile of useful parts and sell them to get some of your money back, your mate with the jimney needs to weld more thickness into the floor before he bolts the D rings in otherwise they will rip large holes in the floor the first time he tries to strap a load down. Look at the structure of a seat belt fastning and ask himself does my fastning look the same, if not forget it
What’s broken now are my favourite videos 😃👍
As you were saying at the start about you being busy over summer. I can agree you have been busy going out places as I noticed yourself, Matt and Morgan at retro rides gathering at Shelsley Walsh.
Remember in the 190s my father pulled a paper out of a VW beetle from the sixties in the sill
Oh, I feel your pain. Car recently had it's MOT and whilst it passed it still needed some stuff to be sorted out.
Though on the subject of getting another vehicle, I recently emailed you about one.
I can relate to the frustration with cheap pullers far more than I care to admit!
May be worth looking at the style of fixed 2-jaw puller of the sort sold for use on Land Rover steering boxes and similar for inspiration, then fabricobbling something similar with some good thick wall box and plate with plenty of gusset action. Even if it can't shift it by itself, plenty of tension on the shaft and a good hard smack on the arm with a chosen instrument of percussive maintenance *should* break the seal and get it moving.
I'd been thinking of something like balljoint splitters the whole time!
@@Ragnar8504 I have modified a ball joint splitter to get the drop arm off a Series steering box before! (Admittedly after several hours fruitlessly trying with blowtorches, hammers and pullers similar to the ones Laurie discovered to be toss, all inside a top floor flat...)
May have since conceded that the pricy "proper" tools might actually be worth the expense.. (Or at least of a design worth ripping off and bodging together myself!)
Was thinking if you get yourself a mini flywheel puller then mod a piece of 10mm flat plate copy the hole patern across from puller to plate then cut a wide u slot in one of the long sides drill and tap the plate to slid behind the arm put your bolts through puller and into plate now you should get an even pull.
Me thinks there will be an exceedingly long shopping list with Moss Europe to get The Moggy back on the road.
Other heritage parts suppliers are available.
Basically it looks like every bit of metal below the bottom of the doors will need to be replaced, and quite a bit above that as well.
Kellogg's just released a new Cereal:--"Morris Flakes/Part of a balanced breakfast!" Still,the look on yer face made me stop and think for a moment:--And it made me realize that Cars,ect just don't rust around here in Arizona/New-Mexico! Pick up a rust free Car and you won't have the "Oxidation Blues." I was recently GIVEN a pair of U.S. Spec English Ford Cortina's:-a Black '69 Two Door(Gold Vinyl Interior..)and a Green '70 Cortina Wagon(swapped-in 302-V8/4-Speed with a Black 70's 'Tuck-N-Roll' Interior..). No rust whatsoever,they were stored indoors for decades and the came with loads of spare N.O.S. and used some used Panels. I could sell these for quite a pretty Penny over in the UK. Always enjoyed the Channel BTW. Good stuff.
Mmm, Swiss cheese chassis.
Whenever I see one of these videos I assume everything is broken, just some things less so than others 😁
Swiss Cheese. ....About that other problem? -Weld a home-made slide hammer to it? ...Oh, and how about some old two-stroke mopeds? You know, with pedal cranks. I ride a 1978 Kromag Puch Swinger 2.
Be good to hear how the new tyres on the Ruston goes.
Hate to tell you that moggie is beyond saving
How Fabulous to have another WBN video
Don't forget to use big, thick spreader plates under the bolts for the D-rings, Matt, or they'll just pull through the sheet steel the first time you put a load on them, and make a very, very large hole...
The Minor, well, that's not rust, it's just leaking character...
"Oh god the wheels still on the door" #numpty lol. We've all been there.
It's a glorious moment
Quite a mix there, enjoyed this, best wishes for all your projects!
Poor old moggy. You might get your money back on trim and interior bits!
Oh, how I've missed the pang of dread whenever somebody uses the words "How hard could it be?".
you can tell he is a professional mechanic.. he got a Claw hammer.. lol
Looks like the one from the famous IKEA tool kit to me (my family owns two, one of the hammers immediately got bent trying to pull out something like a 4d nail).
You keep mentioning the chassis: it doesn't have a chassis like a van as it is a monocoque design.
Your Minor makes me feel better about the state of my MGB
12:00
You have to remember, the cab is an add-on.
Originally, they're just a tractor :P
just getting an early start of electrifying the Morris with Iron/Air batteries
Least you can use that Chinese tool as a stress buster...wall, throw, repeat...
7:02 that feller clearly got excited bashing at the rust
That he did
I have a 1964 Morris minor which had all the floor welded many years ago, it has no paperwork but I do have the heritage certificate, I was going to rebuild it but now I'm not, I need the engine and gearbox and pedals for my present project but for a sensible price, not a lot, you are welcome to the body. Not sure how to contact you directly but if you are interested reply with contact info. I'm in Surrey. All the best
Hello! Please drop us an email at Lawrie@lawriesmechanicalmarvels.com
We'd love to explore the possibility of using your shell with my engine - that would be amazing!
Kind regards
Lawrie
The Morris Minor is very easy to buy repair sections for. Most panels and repair sections are readily available.
I used to own one until the wife said it was her or the Minor. I made a mistake and got rid of the Minor.!
I got rid of her later!
I think you can basically build a brand new one from the parts available!
@@lmm What? build a new wife?
Another entertaining video Lawrie, that Moggie does seem to have an awful lot of rust though.
You say you don’t have a daily at present - what happened to the Avensis that James gave you? Thought that was going to be your new daily?
Some well developed heritage-speed-holes and weight saving in the Morris then, basically race car spec now right?
Part Lotus with all the added lightness
I'm afraid the only thing holding your Minor together is the roof☹
All is not lost, there is a company called "Morris minor spares" that carry what looks to be all the panels you'll need to restore your Morris miner. Apparently their in Battenhurst Road, Stonegate, East Sussex.
That's going to be very useful!
9:50 If you let Morgan inspect it for too long it won't even be that :)
Rusty Morris Minors are just terrifying.
That they are
And this weeks competition prize is...... a piece of Moggy Minor Floor !
definitely not a RETROPOWER project :D
I think most viewers would appreciate that moggie more if you scrap it 😉
Moggy doesn't look too bad - relatively speaking of course.
It'll go again... Eventually
Nice welding project that Morris lol
Poor Morris. Should have bought a Beetle!
That bolt sheared because you were tightening it not undoing it...
He has much to learn!
Good times ;) :D
do you want some morris minor with your rust?
My only question is why is Morgan wearing a pair of old y-fronts as a face mask?
I would like a Range Rover Lauri!. If you lived in Surrey I would come along and help!
Well that’s what happens when you don’t talk care of your equipment when you live in that tip or environment and lawrie I don’t mean you 😏👍and a good idea for Saluki is maybe turning it into a road toolbox 🧰
The Moggy was pulled out of a field/ditch tbh
i know its been awhile since this video went up but i was re watching it and couldn't help but wonder.. which is worse in terms of rust? the moggy or Red Ruth?
🤔
It's a hard one. Redruth is pretty solid underneath, but knackered I'm the cab, the moggy is solid in body, but knackered underneath.
@@lmm so what you are saying is that you need to figure out a way to fit a Morris minor body on to a dodge 100 series chassis?
Mad max here we come!
@@lmm lol
Where’s ash gone not seen him for a while
I was wondering that as well!
Didn't see any Trevs in this one either! :)
Probably won't see me any more on any of them
@@ashajplantsupport3124 Ah, that's a shame mate! Enjoyed your screen time when you were around too! :)
Chuckle brothers 😱😱😳😳🥴🥴😵💫😵💫
To me, to you.
personally I would stop there!
Just needs a bit of love!
The Morris needs jacking up and a new one run up under it.
Lawrie, the steam locomotive that has been sitting in my local park for the last 70 years and hasn't seen paint since the 70s probably, is less rotted than your Moggy. sorry, but it's the truth.
Reminds me of my rotten fiesta
It's quite bad
Not that bad? Nah it''ll buff out I'm sure
T cut fixes everything
What happened about the MZ motorbike?
jack up the headlights and fit another car to them.
Possible
What is this feasibility study on the Ruston? It needs tyres first, they'r razor-thin.
Lawrie: Why do you manage to buy the rustiest, most clapped out bist of metal? Were you drungk again?
Your friend was stabbing the moggie with all the zeal of Jack The Ripper. I was sure the car was going to fall apart on the lift.
Definitely sounds like somebody has been proper pi$$ed up on the internet, school boy error 😂😂
If your stuck for parts find a marina lol
you get to the point were you have too many old machines gobbling up time and money. rationalise and keep clear of cars with iron worm
Lawrie had a Moggy
Its carpets were quite soggy
The underside was sparse,
So it dragged its arse
Like a worm riddled doggy
Lawrie - you shouldn't let the bad boys play with your stuff, you really shouldn't.
The instruction was, please clean the underside so we can see what we're dealing with, and that's what we got
£500 for 500lb of rust 😑
Actually the rust is quite good.
STOP using the hammer, you are doing nothing but make the work harder. You need the old stuff to give a 3D former to where the replacement panels are going to go. You need to cut away the old rotten body work in the right order whilst using mole grips to clamp new panels to some remaining bits of the old to keep the shape. Then use tacks of mig weld to hold everything together. You will end up with new panels in the right place connected to either old good metal or carefully cut out patches itself tacked to old good metal. Start with the floor and work outwards. It does work preferably with original manufacturer panels but pattern ones are ok at a pinch. Then carefully weld everything up keeping heat low by small mig runs. Go mad ripping out metal and you will end up trying to join three new panels in mid air with no idea as to exactly where they should meet. Do that and you will be 2 to 3 inches out. Too late now of course.
There's enough there to see where bits have to go - luckily there's enough bits available to put the metal back into it!
Mat needs to buy a honda monkeybike, theyre 50cc and fun af
Moggy vs Fiat x19 which is more rotten
'Not that bad'!?
What a lot of rot you do talk!
Ahh yes, the mouldy moggie syndrome. "They all do that sir".
Looks like you need a bigger barn already. Yes, you do seem to have a problem.
“It’s not that bad” while wearing a Star Wars episode II shirt? Someone enjoys denial
Hahahahah
just like working on a land rover ...
13:16 What a piece of shit! I feel your anger on this one! How much is it for a good one?
clay
And I thought my minor was rusty XD
You need a 3D printer to recreate another body.
Or just the floor!
Every Morris Minor that survived into the 1980s was in this condition. They cost 30 quid back then.
It's not beyond saving, just needs love
wouldnt bother with that morris
That is not the worst motif minor I've ever seen... Yours still had part of a floor haha show us moggy stuff
I'm sure there are worse out there, and there are many bits out there to sort it!
@@lmm so you'll be good to sort yours, you can guy the panels brand new.
@@computerwizkid1002 we think it'd doable!
Every part literally available off the shelf, built by men and rebuild able ,probably not by the kid with a hammer like someone standing on someone else's sandcastle. No sense and a pointless action