Is Tree of Savior the Spiritual Successor to Ragnarok Online?
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2016
- What makes a game special to you? The unique gameplay? The story? The characters? A combination of these factors? Something else entirely? In this video I take a look at what makes Ragnarok Online special to me and what it means for a game to be a "Spiritual Successor."
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RO made me feel immersed like no other MMO back in the day, something I always had a hard time explaining to WoW players. This video summed it up beautifully.
MMO devs, take note.
Yes. You were your character. It's because you didn't have direction. Like the video said, in today's MMOs, quests are how you level up - and there is usually a linear progress - (Quest till you've reached quest cap. Grind for EXP to lvl up until you are high enough for next quests. Rinse and repeat)
In ragnarok. You were just brought in the world. You were not special. You were not a hero. Literally, you get dropped at a city and you were on your own. You had to figure out what to do. All the decisions you made pretty much came from you, lol.
Agreed. WOW may have taken over the MMO world but doesnt really scratch the itch like RO does
@@kanishk2643 This is why FFXI was far superior to WoW. While there was a quasi-linear story progression the entire rest of the game was sandbox.
It is incredibly how unique Ragnarok still is in the mmorpg scenario. No other mmo, not even new ones have monster and class system that Ragnarok have. For me, Ragnarok was and still is the best mmorpg of all times. And for that I am sad that gravity never made a remake for this game.
i think its because they are too focused on making mobile games to even put thought or effort into something that could actually make them money. If they had a remake of ragnarok online i would be there in a split second. at this point i think we will see a remake of star wars galaxies before we ever see a ragnarok online remake.
18:44 One of my favorite things about Ragnarok Online OST is how some tracks take risks by steering away from the "ambience" to focus on the journey itself in a very personal way. On some fields between Morroc and Prontera, you get the track "I miss you" which goes out of it's way to be really sad and emotional. That track doesn't "represent" you hunting for materials or MVPs on these areas, and yet, you start feeling things you weren't expecting and your perception becomes different by being exposed to it. A lot of people judge soundtracks by whether they represent things well but Ragnarok has plenty of these shiny examples of changing the focus. Above all, Ragnarok puts the soundtrack on the driver's seat rather than deeming it an embelishment or a secondary aspect.
I just hope that RO reborns years later when technology is evolved and it becomes the first SAO experience . It just fits perfectly
It won't. Technology has avanced so much and still we have nothing "like ro" but with modern advances, a vr headset won't change that.
@@lunasllenas1997 The issue is, game developers are too busy grinding their individual "stats" (or, well, "zeny" anyway...) to pay much attention to the state of gaming quality in the world. Instead of improving upon great games of the past, we get gacha mechanics.
You nailed it with the quests, modern days mmo turned them into chores because, frankly, of WoW success.
Though I have to admit, the job quests of FFXIV where very interesting, some part making you learn your job (for example the White mage one making you learn, you have to do damage not heal only).
The problem tho?
Modern days mmo community doesn't care, don't read, just skip skip skip every cutscene, every bit of texts.
They want everything as soon as possible.
Nowadays the journey doesn't matte,r what matter is the end goal.
And when they reach said end gold?
They complain about how there's no content.
I want to go back to the good old days ;_;
the quest system in wow was actually amazing. i remember when i played it when it first came out and it was like "wow its like a hybrid between morrowind and a mmorpg". and theres nothing wrong with that. but its wrong if every mmo just does it
You know what I don't understand.
Take Pokemon Sun and Moon. At it's core it's the same game from 20 years ago. They kept refining it and people love it.
Now take RO. It's clear people want RO. They want something similar. Yet nobody is actually willing to give them that.
As gaming became mainstream in the mid-00's, developers started dumbing things down in order to make games more accessible. This is the crux of the failing MMO - most of these games are meant to be hardcore in nature.
They're making a mobile chinese remake that looks pretty much like the original game, overhauled
Wish it was released in the west
Amen. Age of instant gratification is killing this game. This game takes like a decade or more to get a satiating grasp. People these days don't want quality and depth but instead flashy graphics and don't want to apply their gray matter while playing games.
they couldn't regulate cheating. Old timers and stronger guilds were too powerful or cheating (bots, buying zeny) and it's too hard to regulate or punish. And so the market for items got insane overpriced, so the game became too daunting for new people. Without a constant healthy population, it gets stale for old timers. Then Gravity kept making changes for the worse.
Not sure if you read comments from a year ago video, but I just want to say that I'm pretty sure a lot of viewers will be thrilled to see you cover Ragnarok's story in detail/chronologically!
Yesss I did a lot of quest and is impressive the amount of lore, characters and plots that this game have if you are in to it
i started RO in 2003 and quit after the Euro Loki and Chaos server were closed. I played a few different MMORPGs then, but none of them were like RO. Now I am 38 years old and I transfered my old account to Euro (fRO) and I play again. I don't mind the older graphics or the bugs we know for years. It is still the best game in my opinion.
Great video.
I would agree with you on most things but not the bugs the damn rubber banding has pissed me of far to many times and the damn broken AI for Homunculus and mercenary is frustrating. Sure you can download an AI script that fixes it but still. gravity still makes new content for RO but YET why the fuck can´t they just update the client to make the game run so much better and why not fix the damn AI. doing that can make the best mmo ever even better and that´s just a plus in my book.
21:25 BAMMMMMMMMMMMM. RIGHT IN THE CHILDHOOD
I honestly have been playing this game for 16 years and never have done the quests and you make me really want to. God this whole video was so fucking cool. I just found new appreciation for a game I've been in love with for over a decade. I love that you only become recognized at 99. God damn how ingenious
Incredible video. Very in depth analysis, that brought me a whole new understanding of a game I love and thought I knew about! Kudos.
you captured everything I loved about RO, its sad to think that there may never be another game like it..
Today, I was looking for a compendium of rag's lore. I mostly played it bypassing dialogs , ignoring quests... except for the map details. I stumbled uppon your video and I was overcome with a good nostalgia. Thank you. I pieced together many details I didn't know i had picked up, I remembered good times just siting in Veins and hearing it's amazing soundtrack in loop...
Your content is really great and well produced! You deserve more subscribers.
+1
I subscribe, I read this comment, I look at number of subscribers....320???! No Kidding!! That was a Great video!!
found this video while digging around for reading on the plot lines in ragnarok online...made my iro account 20 years ago and have played on and off since then. you hit the nail on the head about what made ro special to me, and i wanted to thank you for helping me realize what made this game so special to me in the first place
I really love your seriousness and how poetic yet deeply analytical to tell us these story of RO. I really miss old days of RO :( :)
This really brings back the old memories in RO and i didn't even realize (way back before) what you all just mentioned. From the classes, the maps, the story line and the music... all this masterfully planned to give the best possible game experience... and the reason why we all loved RO. I still play today in the mobile version though and the game still is the best!
Hey, thanks for a great video! Special appreciation for the outro, with your RO character interacting with the overlay and the audience :D
wow you know you're a great analyst when you are able to explain how i felt in my 11 years of ragnarok in ways i never noticed myself. i just kept gravitating back towards RO but now i know why. thank you!
Good job on this one man. Very near and dear to my heart.
You done the best RO review that I saw in my life, good work! (=
You've put into words a feeling I couldn't begin to describe about RO. I just restarted playing it again on a classic private server after the unsavory direction gravity took iro. I can't wait to get home to log back in! THANK YOU! Thanks, and thanks again!
This is exactly what i feel. Great job man.
An incredibly underrated CZcams channel and a great video that made me feel nostalgic for a game I've never played.
Nice video 😌👍🏻 this game represent a huge part of my life, you nailed it's essence in this video and also the comparison with TOS who ended being a disappoinment
Amazing! This video is very well done! I'm actually itching to play RO right now for some roleplay and do some quests on a classic server after years of hibernation. Very good sir! VERY GOOD!
I loved the part when you compared the OST. Songs in RO are really something to pay attention to, of course, you get bored after a while and turn them off, but initially it's great, and part of the nostalgia comes from the songs. I may try Tree of Savior but it seems to me they put little to no effort to bring this game alive, comparad to classic MMOs. Seems to be a tendency for future games unfortunately.
Started playing RO when I was 13yrs old. Im 27 now and damn i can still feel the excitement and joy that I had during those days. It was literally the best mmo for me and up until now, I'm still wishing there would be a true successor to it.
i started playing TalonRO last week.. go for it dude.. hands down.. i've tried so many private servers but this is the best so far
Dude.. I love this video! I always try to explain why I love this game to my friends but could never really articulate it. No MMO plays like it at all.
Great video！I can’t find another MMORPG nowadays that can give me that experience of role playing since RO. And you just explain exactly why. thank you very much .
the quote "its about the destination, not the journey" just about sums it up why i always go back to RO, no other game ever gave me this feeling of community where you make bonds with people when you grind the same damn monsters to the OST for hours on end, it wasn't about becoming the strongest character with the best gear or level rather it was about having fun playing the damn game. i feel like modern mmos miss this mark and to some extent i myself became a bit more competitive focused in my games. i often wish to "go back" to the time where i actually enjoyed just playing an mmo for the time i had with it, rather than trying to be competitive. im trying to go back a bit to the old mindset, like for example i picked up roleplaying in wow because just playing the raids and doing the hardest content isnt ... fun. or rather its fun in a way but i want more out of my games.
anyways, great video and i even saw my guild in there lol
This is better review of Ragnarok Online than any reviews I've seen so far..
Nostalgia for me is mostly Ragnarok! Thank you for this video of yours on how you exquisitely and accurately described every bit of Ragnarok gaming experience. From the music and everything in its essence. Hope you'd be able to cover too some lores of our favorite game.
Wow what a indepth video. You definitely deserve more subs dude.
This was an 11/10 video. Nice job!
this is by far the best analysis i have heard of ragnarok online in comparison with tree of savior. Man you have brought so many memories in a very well done speech. Your vid is awesome. Thx for this, seriously.
Wow, great video. You nailed the reasons RO is special to me. Grouping with others, the leveling and quests, and the locations with their BGM.
I love the game so much, but as many people have said the game has become too mainstream like. Everything comes so easily in renewal, even the Classic and RE:Start servers don't feel the same. Wish they did.
The way RO handled it's storyt is exactly the same way the Souls series did. The world is explained by the environments around you, the enemies you fight, the people you talk to, and the items you discover and examine. I have a feeling an updated version of RO would do magnificent in this era where quite a few gamers are starting to get tired of being treated like idiots and want to discover things on their own without hand holding like it was in MMOs before WoW ruined everything. Shame it'll never happen.
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17:37 Oh god this really touched my heart. I loved that quest, specially that some of the questions to pass it do test the players's chivalry itself. What do you do if you find another adventurer in trouble who pulled too much? How do you react if a novice comes to you for help and advice? What do you seek to gain from your adventure; fame, wealth, friendship, love? All required you to answer with humility and honor, cementing in you the mentality of a tank. Someone who protects and guides others who can't do it themselves. It made me so proud to be a Knight.
Great video. I played RO mostly in 2004-2007 but i love RO to this day. And the video is exacly how i feel about it. I started to play some RO again when the whole covid quarantine thing started. I play on OriginsRO server which resembles the old days the most for me with some very minimal QoL features added.
Same I play on OriginsRO
Randomly happened upon this video while deciding to relive 2002 and check out RO again. I really enjoyed this video and glad that I wasn't the only person who actually did the questing. If you played back in the day, iRO actually had a fairly large RP community where I played with the same group of people for 8 years before we all moved to another game (Final Fantasy 11, I think it was).
You deserve well MORE suscribers, amazing video man
I'M IN THE VIDEO.
It's 3 am and now I'm crying in my bed because I miss this. Not only the game - everything that came with it too.
Never have I been more immersed in a game.
Do you still play? Hit me up on Steam when you read this.
dunno if you still play/are interested in playing but originsRO is pretty gud
Where were you in the vid? What server do you guys play in?
@@leorickaldana366 novaro
prolly one of the best 30 minute video about RO here in youtube. this guy nailed almost all of the things that i've wanted to say and describe to Ragnarok as a game, as an MMO, as an immersive experience and a borderline second life overall.
started RO back in 2003 till 2007 as a close beta tester here in the Phlippines (pRO). ive continuously had an on and off relationship with this MMO throughout the years starting in 2006 due to being seduced and lured by other MMOs that the same publisher has been releasing and heavily advertising. still, even though i had a hard time being devoted and loyal only to RO, one thing i know for sure is i keep on going back to it at the end of the day :3
i still play RO upto this date, unfortunately our old server (pRO) handled by the previous publisher (Level-Up! games) already died back in 2015, a new publisher arise and had given life to RO once again here in the country (Electronics Extreme, ROph). it's as if Ragnarok just refuses to die, and im happy with this resilient trait of this game
Very very cool video. Interesting content for 30 min, well structured, well narrated. You got my +1 :)
Thank you for this video. RO was truly a magical experience.
Haha, now I finally know what those shadows stand for (15:47). Nice analysis on the music, I've never thought about it, I usually just, felt it.
Ragnarok was also my first game, my brother introduced it to me when I was a kid, I would watch him play and talk with people after I came from school, little me was mindblowed. So when I first logged in I was greated by this stranger named Zion, I thought she was a real person, so I thanked and tried to talk to her, only to discover later what NPCs were.
So many stories, so many memories. One of my favorites was the first card that I dropped, it was a rocker card, my brother told me to sell it because cards are pretty rare and worth alot, so little me was excited that I would be able to buy a new sword, so I went on a straight line to the npc and when I saw that he could only give 10z for my card made me disappointed, my thought process was that the card was not one of the valuable ones. So I went to my brother and told him that, he laughed so much that I think I've made his day that day.
After years I got pretty invested into the ragnarok story, I started to roleplay, explore and learn more about the world and its habitants. Amazing game, experiences and people that I may never know who they are, I'll never forget them.
multi-player immersion is vital in every MMO, something that only RO perfected! From the basic principles of Supply and Demand of the in-game market that determines the pricing of items and gears (merchant class vending) to the subtle details of class and their roles, like paying a priest to warp you in specific maps or resurrecting or even buffing makes a lot of difference, sage's endow, hunter's hunting skills, alchemist's potions, crusader's tankyness, wizard's AoE, bards and dancers ensembles! a very effective symbiotic system no one can ever make ❤️
wonderful video! I love in-depth video essays like this !! but yeah, I play Ragnarok when I was 11 with my internet friends. lol so I WISH I could have gotten as far as you did. I think the farthest I got was like 2nd job. and I obviously never paid attention to the story. still. If I had a PC I would love to go back and play on a dead server. Just looking at your video is intensely nostalgic.
when ancient groover comes on and you get hit right in the childhood
Got goosebumps as you played Payon dugon song. So much nostalgia! TURN THAT SHIT UP
To further illustrate the point of the music just look at the song names. Almost all of them reference the zone they belong to in some form or another, and even some cheeky ones like Rag All Night Long. They absolutely *must* have known how vital that card was going to become.. But that just shows how much they cared about what they were creating.
I'm looking for a review for Tree of Savior and ended up here... Subbed :)
it's true about the friendship. omg, i just realized it lol . i still remember when online friends just talk about first love in school back then and now we talk about life, jobs, exploring or traveling, and family things. we really grown up together. we don't play RO anymore tho, just group chat (which surprisingly still active). but still!! this is amazing. it was great too when we really met each other irl for the first time (after7 years) hahaha it's a great experience and this game is part of me, really xD
thank you, this video is beautiful
and one of the best quality in this game (imo) is.. BACKGROUND MUSIC!!
My god this video is SO ON POINT
Wooo! I'm on CZcams :D Well done, Dan! I liked it :)
I loved the mythology And it actually got me interested in history and mythology. I love the cardartworks, the item pictures of the valkyries, the baldrset and all.
I never played the original, I played on pservers that were simular to it.
The whole feel of the game and the players you got to meet online just made grinding and leveling soooo much fun. I'd sit for hours, days with my guild in TeamSpeak, just having conversations while playing the game and have so many fond memories.
WolfRO was my first, then came xenaRO and then DarkRO. Still love the game and wish it was back.
This is a great video man.
that was an amazing analysis
Nah see they were trying to be a Spiritual Successor to Ragnarok Online 2. :^)
lol
@@amjedal-suleimani2217 ToS really isnt much like RO.
i will never forget my home town ''morroc town'' and its music
your video so good i enjoyed watching it more than once
Beautiful video, well done!
Man, such a well made video.
Ragnarök online is hands down my favorite game ever.
I started playing it in the (brazilian) open beta up until Satan Morroc. And the way i see it is that the devs kept trying to add elements of more popular mmorpgs to appeal to a more general audience, and this is what killed the game for me, when i was playing the game for the first time i wold spend hours walking across maps trying to find out what was the best spot to train at my level, doing this i would meet other players, exange information, trade itens and sometimes even form friendships. The way the game works now is just like any other mmo, you got your streamline fetch and hunt quests that every players goes trough the same experience like robots.
I simply loved your video and hope you do more ragnarok, or mmorpg in general analysis content in the future. Great work, keep it up!
Phenomenal video. I have a question but idk how much other than mmorpgs you've played buy do you know of any other mmorgps that are similar to RO that are newer and more active?
"more videos coming soon"
I cry every tiem ;_;
Very well said, the immersion is what makes RO so unique.
Here's the real secret WHY:
1. It's really because of Ragnarok's BGM (background music)
2. It's so EASY and SIMPLE to play (unlike those 3D games)
3. It almost had no "quests" (except for job change) - which means FREEDOM, which makes it 1000% more exciting!
I humbly ask if there is a sequence to these quests and care to share some links to where I can read them? (including the npc
dialogues in-game if possible)
(I stumbled upon this video and my curiosity peaked but I do not know if I have the time to play so I will instead read it :>)
Thank you for your reply!
Monastery in Disguise kicks this song's ass by a long shot
this is really well made
payon cave 1 is still my most beloved BGM to this day
Extremely well made!
excellent sountrack analysis
hey I remember you! I don't remember from what server though. RO is still going strong.
this video is still so relevant. this guy should be hired as a consultant for a new mmo.
ah yes, the sign quest. i definitely still do remember that up to this day. it was one of those times when i felt so fulfilled as a kid.
Nice video, thank you
This had a very unexpected effect on me, as i was initially looking to get hyped for ToS again..., but now i kinda want to leave ToS for good, and try Ragnarok for the first time. Damn.
Tos wasn't good or at least the management the game got so its time to skip to another mmorpg i reached level 330 on my dragon without single pt anyone except at instances which in my opinion sucks. the end game 320+ beated with gears of lvl 170
Thank you
Man. Excellent video. But the music makes me want to cry. Nostalgia is... incisive.
I agree with you, Ragnarok Online / Private Servers was incredible game experiences that always get to take me back to old days of grinding, partying, and soooo many memorable moments
I'm still listening to its soundtracks sometimes too
I know I'm not much of a gamers like other people do, I haven't even try the latest series from Legend of Zelda or engaging things like Sword Art Online Lycoris or something, thats hardcore stuff for me...
But aside from RO, I get to carves another incredible gaming memories in PS-1/PS-X which I consider to tailing the feels of excitement from RO; Legend of Mana , yep... It had almost every aspect of Ragnarok except its just Offline, lone progressive storytale kind of type with end-level, and no chatting with other players. But it still have great Soundtrack and havent met the standard which its successors tried too after these years
I loved this video well made.
This is game is a masterpiece; it was thoroughly thought: story, music, characters, quests, etc.
I love this game
Lots of Gravity initial RO developers moved to the IMC Games. Kim Hakkyu, lead developer of RO and former CEO of Gravity is also the CEO of IMC Games which developed ToS.
Moreover the SoundTemp also developed its OST as well.
💘🥰💞💞💯💯💖💖💖❤️❤️💝💗💗💝💕💕❤️❤️💖💘💘💯💯 Still love this game till this day ! Grinding from 2003 till today 💯💯💯💯💯
I'm now thinking of going back to play RO after 10-years of break form it
subscribed for katawa shoujo intro
Yeah, I'm just beginning to play TOS and bumped into this video :D I didn't know there are people who think link this. I've played RO before and I really enjoyed that it almost killed my youth and spent all of my allowance to this Pay to play game. The only thing I really know is that, it doesn't really matter what game you play, it's whom you play it with and that is your friends before :)
I am actually playing RO right now while listening to this. TalonRO to be exact XD
I'm downloading it now xD
@@StarOyster_ im also playing it, ^_^
Ragnarok OST album is one of the few game ost album that you can just listed them on your music player and keep it roll while you dont really notice it was a game ost. most of the song is really good produce.
I remember ro like that, but when I play it these days, it is just not the same. Maybe because everyone already knows the best paths and everything is already discovered
10:20 why are there blue and red marks on the ground?
It's a Knight class thing. The skill bowling bash had a bug that made it not work correctly sometimes. thats if you where standing on those colered lines on the map. its a grid that every map has but you wouldnt normally know where they are. unless you had some kind of modded game client to show you where the grid lines are so you could avoid them if you want to use bowling bash.
Ugh the thief quest, the hide and try not to die. I forget was it the assassin guild? In the middle of the desert with all the monsters. I died 3 times just trying to get to the door.
Hey hey I wan't to get into the story of ro, but I don't know where to start, any tips?
well as a ragnarok player myself (have played it since 2006) getting into the story would be pretty tedious right now. Given all the story updates and new chapter releases as well as adjustments due to the renewal which includes monster and class revamps starting points might end up different than you would remember. It would be best if you checked a guide on the internet to find out where to start. But if you are starting from the beginning I hope you have a collossal shet ton of patience because its on episode 15.2 and every episode is fairly long. plus there are God knows how many side quests (which some side quests add a bit of extra background story to the main quest even though they arent part of the main quest) RO is one of those mmo for hardcore gamers lol~ im a hardcore/lazy gamer and by lazy i mean my alchemist is only lv 97 xD not even reborn yet xD
I thin they call quests "challenges" in Japan. I know RO isnt japanese, it is only something i noticed.
en excellent video, I maybe play TOS but knowing that it has nothing to see to RO
I never really realized how good RO's story is until this story.
I just thought of them as "quests", but for some reason, I didn't find them tedious. I find them rather a necessary evil to be stronger. It really felt like as you've said, to prove that you've earn it.
But I think what makes RO so great, is that times were far too simple back then, and RO was really something that accompanied it.
Just think, back then we didn't have Discord, and google wasn't really popular (or even existed?). So what do you do? At least in my country, we have shops or computer hubs, where we can as a neighborhood community, play RO (or any game really) as a 20 man team. We shared exploits, stories, quests, items etc. in that hub. Of course, some days it'd be just pure grinding, like selling warps to Glastheim, or it'd be a goal oriented day, like hunting for an MVP, or being the top team in PVP.
Looking back, in this day and age, would you feel like grinding 5-10 hours a day, for a couple months straight, just to do it all over again? Levelling up from 1-99, transcending then going 1-99? The quick answer would be no, because people nowadays really want everything to be "fast". But in reality, you probably would.
Sometimes RO pops back here and there again, in my country at least, on a private server. Where newbies and pros would play the game all over again. We'd have a small tight community of going around 200-500 (sometimes with dual accounts), of course dying down again after some time.
But the same stuff is still there. On a low rate server, you'd find a lot of people farming the usual grind spots such as sunken ship, the one with the swordfish, etc. You'd also find groups of people in their usual spot. Ours was the outside wall of house of the PVP arena in Prontera.
Fun memories such as click the dog / disguise events where people who were grinding / pvp'ing / hunting etc. would go to town just to participate.
It's just so fun to "EXPERIENCE" a game with other people. It doesn't even really feel like "playing", but it truly felt like living a 2nd life.
Going on the more competitive side, you still have servers with purely WoE gameplay. It was truly another fun recent experience. Imagine, from regular WoE where people would just fuck around killing each other, to a more goal oriented WoE, where you really have to be synchronized.
RO really for its time, offered *A LOT* of things, both in and out of the game. It has such a low entry cap, wherein you only need to know how to pots and click to level up. But such a high ceiling cap, where in game knowledge about the items / skills / etc. and mechanical skills will make you a literal god amongst those newbs.
It's just such a shame that the devs are really afraid of the thought of having people "grind" will make them go away.
I mean sure, I'd hesitate to play a low rate server, but give me a decently packed server of at least 200, and a mid rate, and I'll happily go through all of the trouble.
name of the song from 4:00 to 4:30??
CheongChoon from the RO OST.
The mythology in ToS is based upon my country which is not very well known so obviously people wouldn't know it that well and my country is not that well known in general there for finding any information not in our language is really rare so please before you call it obscure understand that just because you don't know it's suddenly obscure. Just like the Valhalla thing. no one knows if it's real or not but because it's more international it's suddenly not obscure.