Pink Floyd, The Wall, 2. The Thin Ice - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction
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- While the first song, In The Flesh?, was Pink’s arrival into this world, Waters made sure that, before going on, he addressed his warning to anyone attempting to step into this world. A two and a half minute song which demonstrates, right away, the composer’s mastery.
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• The Thin Ice
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Show us old people realize that whole album the wall is one song, We called it a rock opera
Will you do the next two songs together instead of separately? "The Happiest Days of our Lives" and "Another Brick in the Wall Part 2" go together.
Are you also going to watch the movie so you can get a complete picture of what Pink Floyd was going for?
A concept album is an album whose tracks hold a larger purpose or meaning collectively than they do individually?
Can you review Take This Waltz by Leonard Cohen? My wife and I played it and danced to it at our wedding.
I've always felt that these opening tracks were supposed to be like a warning to the listener to just walk away. You may think you want to hear this, but you don't. This one always gives me the feeling of "Yes, I was a happy baby with a loving mother and father. I had it better than many. If you want a happy ending, stop now."
I'm so happy you are listening to The Wall in its entirety. The Wall is my "Lost on a deserted island. You can only have one album" album. Funny story. Back in the '80s when cars had cassette players, the player in my wife's car broke. You could not eject the cassette from the player, plus if there was a cassette in the player, you were stuck listening to it. You could not listen to the radio, etc. Ironically, The Wall was the cassette stuck in the player. We had no choice but to listen to The Wall every time we rode in the car for over a year and a half. You'd think we would be so sick of it that we would tear the dashboard apart to get the darn thing out, but you'd be wrong. We loved it and sang along for a year and a half until we eventually sold the car (complete with a free Pink Floyd, The Wall cassette still stuck in the player)!
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What a great story
With the auto-flip feature on those old decks, you were in the perfect position to appreciate the “isn’t this where… …we came in” thing. I thought that’s where your story was going, lol.
David Gilmore is one of the greatest guitarists ever, he plays straight from his heart with just gut-wrenching emotion, especially on this album.
The guitar truly is an extension of his entire being.
Totally true, but for me, the highlight of this song is the reverb on Nick's drum "as you claw the thin ice"
At my age, I do not have much breath, but David Gilmore's guitar takes away the little I have left.😎
That's a titanesque mission you've given yourself to fully analyse this masterpiece. At some point, you'll have to listen to it in one go from the first second to the last.
The only way to do it.
The beginning of the song is sung by David Gilmour, I would say his voice is smoother, more mellow, the second part that starts with "if you should go skating," that is Roger Waters, his voice is a lot more nasal, aggressive, intense, in the majority of their songs.
A great combination those two. A pity they had to break up. What really happened?
@@rabarebra Agreed! Personally, I've always preferred Gilmour's vocals, in anything....but there is definitely a time and place for Waters' vocals, for sure.
That said, I've heard Gilmour tear some sh*t up in songs himself....and somehow it always works.
Loved the listener's reaction when Waters' vocals came in, lol.....
@@phoenixmode6909 Water's vocals on Animals is pure Gold. Can't say I've listened to Gilmour's On an Island many times. Bought that on CD when it came out and almost fell asleep, still do. LOL
@@rabarebra Ego and different opinions on how to do songs and albums
Floyd for me were the only band besides the Beatles that had two lead singers who's expression was so distinct that they voiced completely different emotions with their singing. Lennon's sarcasm for Waters' cynicism.
We are all bitter about the way we were treated at school, even 50 years later.😡 That is why this album sums up the emotions of so many middle-aged people.
"The lyrics are devastating and tragic" Wow you nailed Pink Floyd lyrics. They are brilliant. Not sure anyone writes lyrics more perfectly. Crushing.
Remember : it's theatre. Some of the voices are playing roles, this song features the voice of the Mother, while the sinister, bitter, voice is that of the Narrator (he was also on In the Flesh, and he shows up a lot throughout the album).
When you are done with the album, you will remember this song as one of the more cheerful ones :D
David Gilmour is one of rock's greatest musicians and even though the Thin Ice is short his guitar gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.
The lyrics hit you right in the face...like life sometimes does an unexpected turn
The entire album is dark and forboding. It's awesome.
Ok, I’ll try to not let my head explode (from all those dark forebodings)
I love how a lot of Pink Floyd's albums sound like one song. There's such a smooth transition from one song to the other.
A tragedy portrayed in an ominous tone with an underlying but undeniable sophistication. I first heard this as a kid in the 70's and my appreciation has grown ever since.
Powerful and profound lyrics. One of the most gutwrenching tracks on the album for me.
Sweet and sour. That's what their voices always did for me. True representation of collaborative genius by 4 phenomenal musicians where the whole is more than the sums of the parts.
That look when it just... ENDS. Priceless. I don't know how you managed not to listen to the next track immediately.
I did!
@@VirginRock LOL I knew you would. I am sure there will come a time after you do these videos, where you will want to listen to the whole album all the way through, to get the full impact of it. It definitely is the type of album that needs to be heard straight through to fully appreciate. I found it painful when the song ended abruptly like that and the next song didn't immediately start playing. LOL I could feel your pain.
@@VirginRock I stand corrected. I see in your other video that you have listened to the whole album by now.
Remember this term. "Concept album".
The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals...
all concept albums. Intended to be listened to from start to end and not each song individually. They're stories.
I think the music represents the mind of the boy, and the lyrics her mother. As his mother "poisons" his mind with her overprotection, the music becomes somber and menacing, like if it was painful to even remember as an adult.
Great videos! Looking forward for the rest of the album. Welcome to the rabbit hole!!
Wonderful reactions! I envy anybody hearing this album for the first time, or any Floyd album for that matter.
Been looking forward to this one all week. One of the best and most emotionally brutal songs in the album in my opinion.
Love Pink Floyd. Please consider an entire album review of their concept album ANIMALS. It's only 5 songs. 🤞✌
omg yes!
She should just go ahead and listen to the 2018 remix, it's amazing
It’s only five songs but it is a 41 minute album.
I disagree on this opinion. It's way way too concept for someone trying to come to grasp with metal as a whole. It's a great album but come on.. you're recommending that over Dark Side?
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Yes. She needs at least 2 or 3 albums before diving into animals. With that said I think she'll be up to it.
The Wall is an all time classic considering the period it was performed. Always touches me internally.
Sounds kinky!😋
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The word I would have chosen was "ominous." That's what the music sounds like to me anyway.
I really enjoyed your analysis of In The Flesh, but The Thin Ice is my favorite Pink Floyd song they ever recorded. It was neat to be able to see someone experience the feeling and emotions evoked through the music for the first time. I've always liked how the music playing behind Roger's cynical lyrics - the piano - is in contrast to what is being said. It's sort of playful and innocent and kind of reminiscent of 1950's rock or doo-wop, which would have been popular in Roger (or the fictional character of Pink)'s youth.
One strength of Pink Floyd that doesn't get recognized enough is that in spite of a massive ego or two, the band did a fantastic job of deciding whose voice was more appropriate for which song or part of a song. David Gilmour is the better singer and has a more pleasant timbre, and although Roger Waters wrote the majority of their music and lyrics, he knew when to step aside and let David handle vocals. It works perfectly in this song. Roger isn't the best singer, but his voice works well in delivering cynicism, pain, and, at times, humor.
I can't wait to see your take on the remainder of the album. You've earned another subscriber!
For any of you that have lost your dad, whether as a kid or adult; does the thin ice hit a little different? Does the album as a whole? I can't listen to this album without dying inside for one last hug from my dad. Even now twenty years on. It still cuts so deep. Hell I'm sitting here crying for my Da.
Lost my mother when I was 10, now at 59 I still feel the loss. My father died when I was 26, I felt such anger to lose both parents so early and I was the eldest of 3 brothers.
@@morrisminor56 This album doesn't particularly get me, but I lost an uncle I never met as a tail-gunner in a Lancaster bomber, so The Gunner's Dream on The Final Cut never fails to send shivers down my spine. And we didn't even know where he was lost until the 2010s, when we finally discovered he was buried in a war cemetery in the Netherlands, and my dad got his name put on the local war memorial in Lancaster, England.
@@carandol22 I loved the Wall. Just a journey into madness and isolation And all the handlers trying to get you back on stage. Being a part of the machine. But Final Cut was so personal and so brilliant. Gunners Dream. I agree.
My father died when I was 6 months old. He was in the Navy. His sub mysteriously sank. I never grieved, as I never knew him. This is my pain. Many of the songs on this album hit a little different.
@@Amasaman my dude you have my deepest sympathy. I can only but imagine the empty place that his passing left you. If I was there with you now I put my arm on your shoulder and would do a toast with 19 year ardbeg scotch to his service and loss. Again you have my deepest deepest sympathy.
I actually have to wonder how much Rodger Waters talked to his mother. I played Mother and my mother was extremely hurt, not my intention or directed. She did listen the the entire album and with The Thin Ice, told me that is a woman's fear about putting a child on the earth. There is the love and lullaby's, but the fear it won't be enough. She reminded me about the thin ice as one year, I got grounded Christmas vacation after 4 cold water immersions.
I'm tempted to say this track has three main singers. The smooth and soothing voice of David Gilmour, the haunting and cynical musings of Roger Waters, and the pained wails of David Gilmours guitar.
Well said, Willy.
Well said.
I was just away to say something similar - the guitar speaks as much as the vocals do.
Love it. You instantly know it is David Gilmore when you hear his start playing. Not all guitar players are this distinct.
She needs to listen to it on Acid and realize where the imagery truly goes
Imagine if they would of have Rick Right as well...
The Poetry of Roger Waters...
"If you should go skating
On the thin ice of modern life
Dragging behind you, the silent reproach
Of a million tear stained eyes
Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice
Appears under your feet
You'll slip out of your depth and out of your mind
With your fear flowing out behind you
As you claw the thin ice..."
First of all, I would like to thank you 🎉🎉🎉 for the beautiful videos you have already made. The moment he says "cracking the ice" is the exact moment where in the movie "Alice in Wonderland" a crack in the ice appears beneath Alice's feet. Well, 50% of Pink Floyd fans don't believe in the albums' synchronization, while the other 50% do.
Gilmour is the calming blue sky. Waters is the low pressure system, turbulent weather pattern.
I'm absolutely loving this series, fantastic!
Amy, thank you very much for giving us your feelings about this Pink Floyd album, I heard it for the first time in 1980, at the age of 22, since I am not English I appreciated the music above all (uncontaminated by the lyrics), later on I saw the film and I found it sinister, painful and very sad.
I also lost my father when I was very young and I saw that Roger, often felt the same way I did.
Thank you, ma’am.
This song gave me shivers and tears the first time I heard it. Still does 25 years later.
MASTERPIECE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love to see how your expressions change as you listen.
Excellent analysis. Roger Waters (the second singer) wrote most of the album, the bitterness of the loss of his father in war, permeates not only this album, and is addressed specifically in the album and movie, but it is addressed in much of his music. As such, Roger Waters is noted not only as a musician, but as an anti- war activist.
Roger has simple views, very primitive views about the war, and always blames America.
@@user-is5ct5qq4n i'd like to know your opinions and then choose who convinces me more 😁😁😁
@@65alef Roger's views are good-natured but incredibly naive. It is what it is.
@@mwoodlarks3121 honey , i don't fully share Roger 's opinions but i don't like those of those who think they are superior to him either.
Kisses from Italy 💋💋💋🇮🇹
There are other tracks related to this album/story that are not on this album, for example “When the tigers break free” and “The Final Cut”( from the album of the same title).
3:30min You get it very clear. The changing from sweetness to bitterness is how Pinks mind changes through his life (and of course in the album)
The Thin Ice is beautiful, another masterpiece powered by Pink Floyd.
This album really is emotionally intense - it's what made me a classic rock fan at 13 the night I heard it played through the first time. now with a hell of a lot more perspective about 30 years later, I'm seeing something I didn't have the ability to initially - I knew the album was biographical, but I think it might be possible to use the overarching themes and storyline as a metaphor for any person's life, if the events are adjusted by degree.
The first would be the moments before life begins and the moment of introduction to the stageplay of existence. This one, the moment his parents begin teaching him they're instilling their own suspicions, fears and biases, which is something most parents do unintentionally or in order to protect, in this case it's to an extreme.
So 1 - birth, and 2 - early childhood programming. Next is abandonment, then school.
Its very nice to see your appreciation for Pink Floyd a band I've been listening to since 1973. I glad you can see how talented the are. Maybe sometime you can do the same with David Bowie and Sting as a solo artist. The music is so rich it just pulls you in and takes you on this journey.
The "other singer" is Roger Waters. The first vocals are David Gilmour's.
The whole album is an endless loop. Listen carefully and it starts with “we came in?”, it ends with “isn’t this where…”
listen to the lyrics, in the beginning.
"And the sea may look warm to you babe. - and the sky may look blue" (Gilmore's verse)
This is a "parents" warning, that things are not as they appear.
Then comes Waters verse, in the role as the narrator.
Thank you so much for taking this trip I'm enjoying all of your journeys appreciate all your work and thanks for sharing
Thanks for the analysis! -- Your face moves like mine -- in the 80's. But now, in this music there is a release of goodness and power. Something pushed-down, sensed everywhere.
When you have finished listening to this album piecemeal, you NEED to listen to it from start to finish without interruption and with a box of tissues on hand because you will need them..... plus probably a strong brandy or whisky!
Or a bowl….😉
Don’t worry I’m still left in awe every time I listen to it and I’ve been listening to it since 1980
I am loving this series. I really enjoy to see your emotional reactions. I just want to point out that the sinister voice you hear is Roger Waters, who is actually the one who created the album. Roger has said that one of its biggest regrets is that The Wall is a Pink Floyd's Album, and not his album. When you finish with the Wall I suggests you to listen to Waters' 1992 album Amused to Death (it is another of the greatest albums ever made). I am also a teacher, I think that is why I identified with your emotional reactions. I look forward for the rests of the songs. I started this series with Young Lust and the I watched the happiest days of your life, and another brick in the wall part 2 until I realized that I should start from the beginning. My deepest respect to you! Thank you for your videos.
That trem dive after the first guitar fill...
Very few lyricists can draw such detailed mental pictures with so few words. Roger Waters is a genius IMO.
You are nailing it. You must do the whole album. Plus, the motif carries on, throughout.
You are right about the bitterness - that's trademarked Roger Waters material.
There are a few musical motifs that run through The Wall. The interesting thing is that some of them hark back to other, earlier material as well.
Thank you Amy for taking us on this journey with you. I sincerely believe this opera will occupy a forever space in the Western Canon and will be taught and celebrated by generations going forward. I can't wait to watch your reaction to the entire piece.
You are a RawkStar 🌟 can’t wait for Another Brick prt 1 - welcome to the PF appreciation society 🌒
I am excited to complete the entire album with you. Though I have loved Pink Floyd for nearly fifty years, this will be my first time. Odd I have not given their most beloved album a fair shake.
Since you appreciate these masters of tone, color, and mood you may also be impressed with another massively popular prog rock band from the same period, Genesis. I have heard both bands live in concert. They are two of my most favorite rock bands. Segues are used to great effect in Genesis (1974) masterpiece 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway', their double concept album. Whether you feature this work of art or not, you must listen to it also. Personally, I feel it is one of the best musical achievements of the 20th century.
Genesis 'Supper's Ready', a 7 part suite from their Foxtrot album (1972) is considered by many to be the best progressive rock work in the genre. At 23 minutes it has a lot to discuss, both lyrically and musically.
I can't listen to this without seeing the scenes from the movie and your analysis is spot on as far as clawing and painful. If you saw the movie, you'd understand what I'm saying.
I discovered PF in my early teens, during the mid-late. This album was always a mystery that slowly unraveled as I got older, but what always struck me and resonated with me was the tragedy of it all. Roger Waters voice always manages to paint a picture of tragic bitterness and despair, and years later, when I began playing bass (because Waters was a bassist) and writing lyrics for the bands I was in, he was always a brutal and constant source of inspiration.
Then the accentuated, sarcastic bass line, leads us into the ominous, "Daddy's Flown Cross The Ocean, Leaving Just A MEMORY" with the sharp guitar brilliance of David piercing into us.
I agree, in your analysis, that Roger's voice, His tone His delivery, and accentuation, is perfect for the underlying music. This Masterpiece Compilation definitely spoke to me, and is Timeless.
"Kind Old King George, sent Mother, /a note/, when He heard, that Father had gone" that says it all. Much Evil has been born out of London England. I can only imagine how sarcastic they are.
The musical solo, expressing something haunting is classic David Gilmore, long notes bending with a lot of presence interwoven with scale dribbled contractual play with a lot of attack on the strings. While easy to play he conveys a ton of emotional expression with his instrument. You'll hear a lot of that throughout the album or throughout all of Pink Floyd's music for that matter.
This is not really a stand alone song, it misses ingredients, so to speak, elements to be considered a song, it is there on the album to add information to the overall theme and story that is being shaped on the album.
The instrumental is beautiful music meant to sound, in my estimation, like crying (possibly of the parent because they know that their innocent child is going to be corrupted?). Such a perfect culmination to Waters' bitter, cynical and jaded lyrics that say 'if you venture out into the world, be aware that it will all go to sh..'
Agreed, that solo is definitely channeling a baby's cry.
Your bringing tears to my eyes with these. Such a beautiful deconstruction. The wall with always hold a place in my heart ❤️
"It's hard in the content" -- you have just had your first real encounter with the Blues! You will find that there are recordings of old Blues masters that are played on a single jangly guitar that are just emotionally devastating. This is so much fun experiencing your discovery of music I have loved for over forty years!
Roger, the second singer, definitely has an edge to his voice, which he uses quite effectively. Did you know he has a 5 octave vocal range?
*Effective* vocal range? I know he can hit screams and growls real well but those don't really count as part of your range. At least according to any well-trained singer.
@@mr.nazareth4501 I was gonna say - 5 octaves, some of them occasionally even in the right key! 😂 I love Rog's voice but he definitely leans more into effect than technique
Hmmm. Maybe, but David Gilmour is still a much better singer. So was Richard Wright, for that matter.
@@paulhagger3895Roger was always more about the message
You want to know how great Pink Floyd is? In that little song they take you on an emotional journey from tranquility to pain. Like Master artists.
Again, I love your reactions! "The Wall' is probably one of the most "accessible" Pink Floyd albums, they have a lot of albums and songs that are much more complicated, and much more demanding from a listener. This album is different, but I think it's because they wanted to really portray the story and emotions of that main character, Pink, in a very moving, direct way. That's why they're not that subtle, it's more like a punch-in-the-face type of music here. It's very interesting, 'cause Pink Floyd is known for very subtle delivery of meaning, very symbolic. Here - it's quite the opposite, it's just: right here, bum, in your face. 😀Sometimes maybe even too direct. But it's OK, they wanted to do something unusual for them, 'cause normally they are not that direct in their messaging, they love more cryptic, more subtle kind of delivery - I mean both lyrically and musically. Anyway - I love Pink Floyd with all my heart, I can promise you that it will be a great journey discovering more of their fantastic music!
Pink is just beginning his journey. You have to remember that The Wall is in itself a biography of sorts. Each song is a different chapter.
This is amazing 💕 i love watching the emotions rippling across your face as you listen!
"It has the same feel as In the Flesh. The same motif. Its painful". I hope Roger sees this! He would be delighted!
That 'swirly' sound - both the airplane in In the Flesh and the guitar at the endof this one - are the sound of Pink's mind spiraling down into madness.
If i could have three wishes, one of them would be to be able to hear and see The Wall again for the first time.
The best album ever made!
I don't think there is a more influential concept album in rock music. There have been other great records, but it's universal.
Thank you so much ‼️
This recording was released when I was
12 ys old & it represents the tortures of my early youth in a perfect way - cannot listen without tears but I kind of enjoying it.
Sorry for my english - I'm german
I love what you're doing here. When I was a teenager, I used to pinch this record, and other Pink Floyd albums, from my mother, so I know it very well. It is very refreshing, and really insightful, to hear you think about it and discuss it in a way I never could.
There is so much good music I'd like to recommend, but one title that pops up is Deep Purple's 'Child In Time' (the studio version). It contains a lot of very contrasting parts, I think you'd find it very interesting...
Very nice reactions 🙂
The title should give away the tone of this song: danger...The Thin Ice. It's a soundtrack to the movie, and it's rather sinister in the film, so you certainly interpreted it accurately.
The movie is quite a journey.
You seem to have a wonderful ability to interpret emotion, which is so important to conveying emotion in music.
You might consider taking your notes on each song, and what you interpret. Once complete, sit down and watch the movie and see how the songs play throughout the narrative of the film.
The music itself is the narrative here. It begins with the innocent newborn lullaby, then moves into a 50's "doo-wop" childishness delivered by the piano. Then Pink (Waters) moves into the pre-teen adolescence of 60's revolutionary rock.
I find it funny looking at you while you lissen Pink Floyd. The Wall is my childhood
In for the long haul, it's gonna be great!
Imagina cómo me sentí al escuchar el álbum por primera vez en 1979 cuando tenía 19 años de edad; fue alucinante, no daba credito a lo que escuchaba y lo que me hacía sentir la música.
Gracias po tus vídeos y saludos desde Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca. México.
Love this!! Keep 'em coming!!
Can't wait for the next one. Great stuff. Love your content.
We are witnessing musical and lyrical genius from 1980
Welcome to the concept album.
It's not intended to be listened to song by song. The album is meant to be listened to in its entirety. The story starts with song one and doesn't finish till the end.
On an individual song basis it can often sound disjointed and entirely lacking context.
The movie gives important context to this. The smothering, the mothering and then the bitterness. Its the journey that geldof is going through thinking about his strict upbringing and reflecting on his recent break up and break down.
Amy, you are in for an incredible journey. The Wall is a very intricate, complex masterpiece. I've been listening to this album since its release in 1979 and every single time it stirs my emotions in different ways. The there is the movie The Wall, which adds visuals to the lyrics and music.
Yes, the movie is a breathtaking experience. Amazingly, they put all the incidental sounds in the album four years before the movie came out.
I always enjoy your videos.
The thin ice is one of the best songs ever.
Oh darling, It's about how devastating World War II was on England. Extremely tragic, But never more beautifully brought voice
The bizarre screeching noise and Thunderous crashing sounds, followed by a baby cry! Is the aftermath of a Bombing raid on London. This album was no mistake. If this new generation, Doesn't wake up by that I mean, Get their heads out of their asses Or anybody else's asses, And I can't see that happening!
The wall. Is the best ever. What's even more amazing is the story behind , dark side of the moon.
I would also like to add, A personal note! I'm a 71 year old Vietnam Veteran. I grew up watching the Beverly hill billies, I always had a crush on Miss Jane! And you I like a young wicked pretty Miss Jane. I am a fan
I'm happy i found your videos. I love your take on this. Keep up the amazing work.
First time I've seen you almost at a loss for words. Heading over to the analysis now, love these.
Your spot on. Love your analysis!!
I can't wait for all songs to be released!! :)
Really enjoying your discovery and analysis of this album, the wall is probably my favorite album of all time!
Its really cool... You make me listen to albums ive known for most of my life, in new ways. Thank you! :)
You are an absolute joy to watch.
I was waiting for you to continue this brilliant album! Greetings from Chile 💕
It starts out like an idealized picture of life, then the second verse is someone telling the truth. The musical ending is, to me, the devastation felt by that truth being revealed.
Enjoyed this video.... been watching her channel on a regular now & I have to say it's one of the best on CZcams for sure...
Can’t wait till you get to mother and comfortably numb, those are the best on the album