Did Tories steal Labour policies - and is May election likely?
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- Will we have a May General election? Will there be massive Conservative defeat in any Election that we do have this year? And what’s the economy got to do with it?
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Here to answer those questions are Former Chancellor who gave us the infamous mini-budget of 2022, Kwasi Kwarteng, and the former Labour Party leader and Mother of the House, Harriet Harman. They join Krishnan Guru-Murthy and Channel 4 News’ Political Editor, Gary Gibbon to discuss Jeremy Hunt’s Budget announcement yesterday, income tax cuts, and why, in their view, the Conservatives are starting to look a lot like the Labour party.
Produced by Alice Wagstaffe, Silvia Maresca and Shaheen Sattar.
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Kwasi constantly saying he agrees while everyone was still talking made this impossible to listen to.
No issue having Kwarteng on in principle, despite him being an absolute laughing stock. However his behaviour and constant interruptions made me switch off.
Also, parliament being all theatre, just puke inducing.
That's right. That's right. And. Yes, that's right. I agree. Yeah yeah yeah
I don't understand why you'd give a platform to Kwarteng to try to repair some of his reputation
Because he knows more about what it is actually like to run the British economy than just about anyone in the Labour Party except Gordon Brown. The question you should maybe ask yourself is why is Gordon scared to face Channel 4 journalists??
@@aclark903 The guy that crashed the pound? You need help...
@@aclark903 Why does Gordon Brown need to answer any journalists questions, he left government 14 years ago.
@@aclark903 Ran the economy? he crashed it in record time.
@@josephjones1093 So? Hunt is still better than anyone Labour have to offer. Economics is ALWAYS the weak point of any Labour government.
lets be honest for one moment , they are both full of it, two teams with the one same goal, pointless
At 15:48 Kwasi basically admitted that the good of the party takes precedence before the good of the country
I like Channel 4 news, it is more independent than news on other channels. The insight into what happens around the budget is very interesting. And what happened on the disastrous Truss budget. I like this podcast, l would to see more Channel 4 podcasts.
4 people talking about the budget, spent the first 9 minutes describing that the whole government, on both sides, is a theatre performance 😂 and that is all I could bear to watch. Pathetic.
Who cares? They should all be doing what is best for the country and its people. Not to support their power struggles. This is why this country is in the state it is.
I'm disappointed in Channel 4 for helping to keep Kwasi Kwarteng relevant. He robbed billions from taxpayers.
Interesting watch, Kwarteng seems more down to earth here and surely if anyone knows what it’s like prepping and delivering a budget it’s him. Either way, it’s quite clear from the tone of the conversation that everyone knows it’ll be a clear Labour win whenever the election is called.
I was in the process of putting a post together but then read yours and you have said pretty much everything that I was going to. The only thing I would add to your own post is that Kwarsi will be very much in touch with the current mood with the vast majority of the Conservatives and as he is leaving politics at the next election is not afraid to openly discuss issues.
after 14 years, was probably inevitable regardless of what Tories did in their last term
Kwarteng should be in prison for insider trading
It’s quite unbelievable that he is a guest. He has no shame. None at all.
Exactly. Shouldn't he be grinning at a funeral somewhere? Snake he is.
The Conservatives won the last election on a landslide and gradually adopted the policies of the defeated party. I have never been a fan of Harriet Harman but I have to agree that if people want a left wing Tory party why not vote for a real left wing party ie Labour. Conversely, I have voted Conservative for years because I don’t want Labour policies so if the Tories are using Labour type policies, which they are, then I’m not going to vote Conservative. The Tories have managed to alienate not only ex Labour voters that voted for them but also life long Conservative voters. Quite an achievement really!
Labour aren’t a left wing party. They used to be. They are now a centrist party.
That is exactly what I told my Tory MP a couple of years ago. I am conservative but the party isn't. The party can't take real conservatives for granted by trying to become more Labour than the Labour party, thinking to keep both sides of support. I was angry and my MP seemed to be high on something, blissfully unaware. Now, he won't respond at all to any communication I send.
Why the f is Kwarteng being put up as somebody who "knows what's going on"?
I don’t want to hear Kwarteng speak ever again.
Why’s he here?
Got to hand it to kwasi, he's got some front speaking on matters of state finance 😂
He has more intelligence in his little finger than your entire family
Why is Kwasi Kwarteng on here, being asked about the budget he should be in jail.
Low taxes when we have record low numbers of police soldiers doctors and nurses how do you pay for things without taxation.
You get people back into work and give them a decent wage.
I’m so glad Galloway got elected…
Why are we listening to this bloke as an authority on govt spending ?
Lol tory and labour - as if there's any difference between them these days. Its nothing but a turf war to them: and interviewing a failed tory isn't going to change that.
Kwasi the demolition expert can still have a voice......that's just wrong
We need skilled carers. Why doesn’t anyone think of training up school leavers, mums/homemakers/older workers who have been made redundant who want to return to work to do it in exchange for education/skills training vouchers that can be used further down the line? Many single mothers would love to get further qualifications but can’t afford to do it but would happily work in the care sector for five years in exchange for the fees to do it (in addition to being paid a decent wage of course!)Many women have also been stuck at home caring for elderly relatives so were unable to work for long periods of time but as soon as their elderly relative no longer needs them they would love to return to the workforce but want a career so they can finally have a life! The government is so out of touch. We don’t only need university educated workers but much more skilled workers with good qualifications and adequate mentoring and apprenticeships - that’s what they need to concentrate on for growing the economy. Small businesses would appreciate less VAT ( as would the rest of the population!) and the rich can well afford to pay higher capital gains. We need to tax giant corporations more too.
"Theatre" so are they all actors ? Is it all fantantasy? God help us. They are playing with peoples lives.
They could not give a sh*t. Politicians are performance artists.
This is why lots of people think the media and politicians are one and the same. How can you have Kwarteng sat there grinning? He should be laughed out of every newsroom
Spot on , this discussion is the epitome of the political bubble in action
As an outsider observing what is unfolding in Britain, it is truly alarming seeing the downward spiral going on. The scary thing is that there are still so many Brits who turn a blind eye to the degradation of their culture. I really hope that it isn't too late and Brits can turn things around.
I reckon about 4% of the population are what you could call Tories, the rest just like to think they are
If they are voting for the Tories they are Tories and they have effectively ruined the country.
the budget is for politicians to better themself
Kwasi Kwarteng is my hero. My mortgage payments have increased by 50 percent come on innnn.
These people are taking about performing like an actor in parliament playing a part, but these are the people running our country into the ground 😂
I think they're talking utter bolox. especialy her and kwasi.
The real thing is a danger to us all, many have never known them in control.
Their all probably sitting there thinking Rishi's the perfect prime minister for me
What “ideas”…….tax and print money until it all runs out.
'I wonder what Kwasi thinks about the budget, the UK economy and how we could fix it?' said literally no one ever
Felt sorry for theresa may, cameron dropped her in the mess and he's back in. Once the tories are out the better!
I hope we have an election in may
How long was th list of guests that couldn't make it?
After what he did to the country he's got a nerve commenting on anything that involves money its no wonder he's not standing at the coming election. He's just a coward.
Get in the dustbin and take queen of crayons truss with you mate
Pied Piper Pantomime by the pressititutes.....Vote for the Citizen Independents!!!
You asked wgo better than Kwasi to discuss the budget. The answer to that is anyone else...
So the labour party do have policies. Now there's something new
Open boarders,
Selective enforcement of the law, SJW bullshit but these are bi-partisan
"Still being argued over"?????
What are they arguing over?
Whether it was incompetence, insanity, greed or simply being the panting lapdog of an evil overlord?
They both ultimately read from the same script by those really in charge so this doesn't really matter
Ministers serve the crown, not the public. If you refuse to bow to this demand then you're not allowed to be in parliament. Our democracy is a sham and always has been.
What is obvious is he has a very simplistic understanding of what's going on. Maybe not the best person to run the treasury, he would probably be ok running a burger van. Maybe
Kwasi just said that a Chancellor never divulges any part of his Budget, yet this seems normal behaviour now, including him telling his Banking mates what he was going to do so they could all make a mint betting on Shorting the Pound. Hypocrisy.
Kwasi Mo-Dough got a nice bung from his investor mates after that disaster budget. Wouldn't believe a word he says. Fool.
It would explain why they are going down the toilet
There are only two reasons to still consider voting Tory. 1. You are totally tribal. 2. You've suffered some kind of head injury.
If they are they are going to squirrel them away
For so long they will have forgotten where they hid hem happy days
They are the same party.
There is now clear blue water between Labour and Tories. It is VAT on private schools.
I wanted to 😂 but I couldn’t stop myself from 😢
Kwarteng all forgiven now is it ?
Of course they are. They don't have any ideas of their own. Never have had. And why you have KamiKwasi on to discuss the budget, when he has zero credibility at all to discuss the budget, is really beyond me. Wasn't there anybody sane available for interview? Like Rachel Reeves, for example?
It's a uni party.
At least it is good to hear, from Mp's Harriet Herman and Kwasi kwateng explaining the budget statement.
The Labour Party policies are so Right wing that it’s simple for the Conservatives to embrace all of Labours policies. What we need for true Democracy is a real Labour Party that actually has the interest of the majority of the country ie the workers who generate the wealth and pay the majority of taxes and get very little in return for their cash.
In fairness to Kwasi he did have a good plan but he announced it at the wrong time. Markets reacted that way because his budget was a stimulative policy when the Central Banks were going through a tightening cycle to combat inflation. If he had done this a year later then the reaction would not have been the way it was.
I love this kind of round podcast/ fourcast.
YES!!!!
20 points behind? I think you mean closer to 30 points behind...
Please stop giving the Tories who have crippled so many people souch air time. I'm not watching.
It was all rubbish. C4 🤡's asking Phony Yucky Kwatang Kwarteng.
So how are Labour going fund everything then if they don't have growth from the economy or migration at those levels? Harman is pretty lightweight. I'm Old Labour by the way.
Channel 4 having a slice of P.I.E
I’m screaming seven in my Len Goodman voice…
Yes.
" I’m on very good terms with many Tory MPs. I’m not ashamed about it and I’ve got very good friends who are Tories and they’ve been very, very good friends of mine for a very, very long time, and long may that last.”
Sir Keir Starmer ( Guardian interview , Nov 18th 2022 )
Just because people disagree politically does not mean you have to hate each other personally
@strats And your point is? We all should hate each other? The Guardian way perhaps?
Exactly. There's no difference between the lot of them.
Hang on …..yes it is….it’s the politician who is responsible for my pension pot, earned over a lifetimes hard graft, tanking on the alter of Tufton Street.
That’s it , I’m vomiting now, just listening to ….well didn’t Peppa Peg coin a phrase in the Telegraph for this “gentleman “.
Kwasi Kwarteng was famously sacked on the tarmac as Chancellor arriving from Washington atfer attending the IMF Meeting of October 2022.
Channel 4 News is meant to be a serious news organisation - why did you have kwarteng on your show?
Why have that man on?
Yes
WTAF???
Why on God’s green earth are you asking ‘actually asking’ for Kamikwasi’s ‘thoughts’ on anything financial? The man who added HINDREDS OF POUNDS to innocent people’s MORTGAGE REPAYMENT?
How dare you all.
Innocent? Or gullible? Did Kwasi sign you up to a dodgy mortgage or did you do that to yourself?
Again this is not limited to Israel behaviour since Oct but before and is a result of years of injustice for Palestine
Kwasi who???
Oh, the one trick pony who fell at the first hurdle.😂
They are a unaparty now. You can't get a piece of paper betrween them.
It's a sad day in Politics when you have to put on those two idiots. Sort of defeats the object really as I didn't watch a minute of it.
There is also a possibility that sometimes 2 people can agree on something?
We need all former pm boris johnsons cambin on a one ahow panel. See how they would talk about their experience under boris party
As long as the tino party doesnt steal harmans idea to have mps sitting at home in pyjamas
I don't see how continuing down this same road is going to do anything for the country (and thus the Tories election chances) between now and October, as it hasn't for the preceding 14 years
The Tory Party's over, it's time to call it a day... (Forever, hopefully...) 🤔(Green Fire UK ) 🌈🦉
Kwarteng has no shame
More like Labour has become so utterly indistinguishable from the Conservatives that they have the same policies anyway
Indistinguishable, anyone who desires to rule over others has serious mental illness.
Paranoia at its finest
Why of all people would one listen to Kwarteng, FFS?
They are both the same party now, just Labour isn't hiding it
Well I much rather enjoyed this take, more of a civilised conservation between two wings of different parties + co-presenters but Kwarteng not leaving much room for credibility is he!?
You are so kind.
He is a Yucky Phoney Performance Artist.
All the current Labour and Tories care about are their donors, the voters aren't given a choice anymore.
Neither have a clue so I don't know why they bother!😊
Why does it matter if the idea is good
Because they have a cult to depend on. People vote conservative and constantly get screwed over but because conservatives align with their racist agendas; they vote for them
@@conservativedestroyer4056 Meh. Would rather parties just agree to a good idea or not to be honest. lol.
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Having Karteng on the program talking about the budget is like asking a rapist to come and talk about rape!!
An extra £450 per month on my new 2 year fixed rate mortgage. Thanks Kwasi…
£650 on mine
Kwasi should be in jail for theft.
No they're both stealing Thatchers ideas.
I’m not a fan of Thatcher, but god could we do with someone with her mettle!
Hard faced kwasi chatting on like he done nothing wrong
He is such a pretentious pr*ck
Ask Harman about P.I.E. .....p e do information exchange...Sir Peter hayman
Same hand diffrent glove,
WTF is Kwasi on your show he should be in jail for crimes against Britain.
Lol kawsi being invited to talk about budgets.... he will never be the right guest, he and Liz destroyed the country and their reputation - why give them any air time?