I am one of the 14 survivors of the sinking on Oct 29th, 2012 and I’m so glad you are telling the story. It’s a tough month, next year will make it 10 years
Obviously you will know more than me about the captains attitude but only yesterday i saw a clip of him saying "haha we chase hurricanes" ..then letting out a laugh i can only describe as 'worrying' . I cant imagine the horror you have gone through that on reflection seemed totally avoidable🙏
I offer my sincere condolences for your sense of loss and for the tragedy you endured. I hope that you find comfort in the rare opportunity afforded you in crewing on such a fine ship. I was able to visit her ca1985 while she was moored in St. Petersburg, Florida. Her foundering is a great loss to maritime heritage. The mourning of the souls lost is exacerbated by the experience, knowledge and ability that was lost with them. May God grant you fair winds and following seas.
I saw MGM's Mutiny on the Bounty for the first time in the late 1960s as a young child and I completely fell in love with the ship. In the 1990's I was lucky to purchase a 16x 20 inch photograph of the ship which was probably taken for promoting the movie. It is now framed on our hallway wall. I look at it everytime I go downstairs every the morning. She sort of looked odd after the fenders were removed, I never got used to that. Thanks for your film!
I really appreciate this video. You did your homework, and it shows! My favorite Bounty film was the 1984 movie, no thanks to its abysmal soundtrack, but surely to Anthony Hopkins’ stellar performance. This video deserves far more views! Thanks!
@@mjmmedia8056 Second movie was also my fav, cast of actors second to none. I wasn't even aware until recently they built a replica Bounty. Pretty amazing and really sad to know it sank. Today of course they would use CGI but it wouldn't be the same and never is as something tangible and real. Thanks for telling this story.
As a Pacific Islander, I'm very impressed with your historic research of the history of Bounty. I never knew it was berthed in Florida... fascinating to know. I am now your new subscriber.
@@mjmmedia8056 You're welcome. I do my personal research on all Pacific Island historic events and I took a trip to London to verify my research. Indeed, Captain Bligh's make shift coconut ration scale was evident in the British Museum (free). I highly recommend you pay a visit: czcams.com/video/Jh1mSHStwPc/video.html
As someone who has followed the Bounty story since I read of the ships building, in a 1961 Magazine, with colour pictures of it's progress, I was very surprised to learn of all the too-ing and fro-ing of the original crew AND islander's. I boarded the Bounty when she was moored at Torquay Harbour, Devon, UK, about 2007. Unforgetable. I was sick on hearing of her loss. I guess there's been no attempt or even assessment of the chance, to raise the ship ?
I was always loved the 2nd film and the movie soundtrack. Our family even owned the album. Later in life I got to board the Bounty in Seattle and again in Portland along with my boys. I had a hardback book about the survivors on Pitcairn and had a crew member sign it. He said he was a descendant of Fletcher Christan. Heart broken about the loss...
The officer seen at 1:35 is James Cook, not William Bligh. I often walk past the house in south London where Bligh lived on his return from the mutiny.
I think you'll find that the Admiralty instructed Bligh to go to Tahiti via Cape Horn. Also Bligh was one of the most lenient officers, but was rather harsh in his treatment of his crew. The stories of Bligh's cruelty were started by Edward Christian, Fletcher's brother in order to try to clear his (and the Family's) name. Bligh's ability as a navigator became legendary and the maps made by Bligh in the Bounty's launch were still being used as most accurate up to the 1940's. Some myths about this story are still around.
Hollywood has done a lot to twist the facts in just about every thing they do. Take a look at “ the Birth of A Nation”, from 1015. They show 100s of blacks raiding and killing. How crosse that is! Hollywood should be ashamed to allow that to ever happen.
@@peterlaustra2892 -----AND ? there was a mutiny there too, over his zealous treatment of the locals. He was replaced. Yet there is a Statue of him on the Thames Embankment.
Wood hulled sailing ships, even those that were copper sheathed against the ravages of the toredo worm, typically were retired after 20 years or less. Those that remain today have had extraordinary maintenance.
You got one detail wrong. It wasn’t _HMS_ Bounty. It was _HMAV_ Bounty (His Majesty’s Armed Vessel). As you rightly said, it was a merchant ship purchased by the RN. They put a couple of guns on it (hence-“armed” vessel), but it was an auxiliary, not a warship. Just like U.S. Navy auxiliaries are titled USNS (United States Navy Ship) and not USS. Not a big deal, almost everybody gets that wrong, but I thought you might be interested to know.
@@mjmmedia8056 sure is Trevor Howard is brilliant ..plays the part so well ..Brando does well too.. amazing film wins it for me 84 one is v good to beautiful music theme to it.. vangelis ..x.
Bounty was a marvel in a lot of ways. The men who built her built her as she would have been built in the 1700's. Being a Canadian, whenever I read of her or saw her in a movie, I felt a sense of pride. Such a loss when she went down and even more of a tragedy with the loss of human life that also took place that fateful day. Not sure if she will ever be replicated in that authentic fashion again.
Hello Anthony Rader, Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this. Very fascinating the connection you have with this ship. Can't agree more with how it was a tragedy when the HMS Bounty went down.
I remember that I Could've gone aboard HMS when I Thought it was docked in RI (guess I thought wrong) But somehow & I don't know how-heard it was taking on water-I was apprehensive about Sloshing along a sailing vessel of lore so I missed out-next I heard it sank at sea-and no one knew why you would attempt to outrun a hurricane-But your well done video explains thats what you would do in a vessel like that(but the leaking part?( don't know if it was fixed. (I'm not a credible source it's only what I heard from people who lived in RI & were knowledgable
"It was Bligh's desire to sail via Cape Horn" - wrong. It was the Admiralty's order. Bligh warned the Admiralty that if he doesn't receive the final order to set sail it would be impossible to sail via Cape Horn and they would have to turn to the East. And that's what happened. The Admiralty was late, leaving Bligh wait in England until it was too late. But at least he tried to act according to the order.
@@mjmmedia8056 It's also interesting why the Bounty spent 23 weeks on Tahiti. Many think it's because they had to wait for the fruition of the breadfruit. The truth seems to be something else since breadfruit is an all year round plant, no matter if you pick it in January, July or December. However, Bligh was ordered by the Admiralty to sail from Tahiti through the Torres trait and Java. Since in this region the wind blows from the West from January till March, it was impossible for Bligh to sail towards the West during that time of the year. Had the Bounty arrived to Tahiti from Cape Horn 6 months earlier, it could have left the island after 2-3 weeks towards the Torres strait. But the crew was late so had to wait. I know these from the letters and logbook of Bligh, his crew members and the Admiralty.
I thought I knew just about all there is to know about The Mutiny on the Bounty, your film proved not. I found a first edition of the book in a Goodwill Store. I bought it for $1.00, it's a prized possession of mine. Keep up the fine work. I am subscribing & I'll watch the rest of your work. 👍🏼
She's 2,000' deeper than Titanic. It would be extremely costly, and time-consuming to locate and dive down to her. Very few submersibles can reach that depth. Nice dream...but, not very practical.
There is some evidence that suggests that Christian made it back to England, where he lived incognito. John Adams' account of what happened on Pitcairn and the fates of others of the crew members changed multiple times depending on who he was talking to, but the evidence supporting Christian's return to England doesn't stop there.
The HMS Bounty was built in Lunenburg Nova Scotia Canada we will build another one day i am from that area and we are the only one that have the building plans for the Bounty.
YES BUT---it was MGM who applied to the Royal Navy Museum in London, for copies of all the plans. Who has them now ? Question, Will any new re-make, be strictly as according to the original plans, or to MGM size plans ?
@@MrDaiseymay Ok well i know we have the building plans to build this ship again if requested to.They are already talking about one being built in the future do not know all the details on it yet.
@@mjmmedia8056 My pleasure! For what it’s worth, it was pretty unresponsive but after the first few minutes spent over controlling it, I sort of settled in. I got the impression (speaking as one who sails) that it would have been better controlled by the set of the sails than by the helm. The rudder was, after all, not much more than a block of wood!
I take it you mean Historically ? Unless you are making a documentary ( usually for TV ) Hollywood in particularly, only make spectaculars like this, with the BOX-OFFICE in mind. In the past, there has been many such films of British Historic stories, with terrible oversites of history, and awful choice of casting, purely based on who is the current number one star.
One of the most Famous Stories in History! Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks so much for the comment. You're welcome.
I am one of the 14 survivors of the sinking on Oct 29th, 2012 and I’m so glad you are telling the story. It’s a tough month, next year will make it 10 years
I am so touched you commented on this! That is incredible that you survived and contacted me. If you are able can you share your experience?
I understand 2 people died,you are lucky ro be alive.
@@bobforest8825 yes, my dear friend Claudine Christine and the Captain Walbridge.
Obviously you will know more than me about the captains attitude but only yesterday i saw a clip of him saying "haha we chase hurricanes" ..then letting out a laugh i can only describe as 'worrying' . I cant imagine the horror you have gone through that on reflection seemed totally avoidable🙏
I offer my sincere condolences for your sense of loss and for the tragedy you endured. I hope that you find comfort in the rare opportunity afforded you in crewing on such a fine ship. I was able to visit her ca1985 while she was moored in St. Petersburg, Florida. Her foundering is a great loss to maritime heritage. The mourning of the souls lost is exacerbated by the experience, knowledge and ability that was lost with them. May God grant you fair winds and following seas.
I saw MGM's Mutiny on the Bounty for the first time in the late 1960s as a young child and I completely fell in love with the ship. In the 1990's I was lucky to purchase a 16x 20 inch photograph of the ship which was probably taken for promoting the movie. It is now framed on our hallway wall. I look at it everytime I go downstairs every the morning. She sort of looked odd after the fenders were removed, I never got used to that. Thanks for your film!
Thanks so much for sharing! Very interesting! Glad you enjoyed it!
I really appreciate this video. You did your homework, and it shows! My favorite Bounty film was the 1984 movie, no thanks to its abysmal soundtrack, but surely to Anthony Hopkins’ stellar performance. This video deserves far more views! Thanks!
Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate the comment.
@@mjmmedia8056 Second movie was also my fav, cast of actors second to none. I wasn't even aware until recently they built a replica Bounty. Pretty amazing and really sad to know it sank. Today of course they would use CGI but it wouldn't be the same and never is as something tangible and real. Thanks for telling this story.
As a Pacific Islander, I'm very impressed with your historic research of the history of Bounty. I never knew it was berthed in Florida... fascinating to know. I am now your new subscriber.
Thanks so much for your feedback. I greatly appreciate your support!
@@mjmmedia8056 You're welcome. I do my personal research on all Pacific Island historic events and I took a trip to London to verify my research. Indeed, Captain Bligh's make shift coconut ration scale was evident in the British Museum (free). I highly recommend you pay a visit: czcams.com/video/Jh1mSHStwPc/video.html
As someone who has followed the Bounty story since I read of the ships building, in a 1961 Magazine, with colour pictures of it's progress, I was very surprised to learn of all the too-ing and fro-ing of the original crew AND islander's. I boarded the Bounty when she was moored at Torquay Harbour, Devon, UK, about 2007. Unforgetable. I was sick on hearing of her loss. I guess there's been no attempt or even assessment of the chance, to raise the ship ?
I got to see it in St Petersburg I still have an old t-shirt from it
I was always loved the 2nd film and the movie soundtrack. Our family even owned the album. Later in life I got to board the Bounty in Seattle and again in Portland along with my boys. I had a hardback book about the survivors on Pitcairn and had a crew member sign it. He said he was a descendant of Fletcher Christan. Heart broken about the loss...
That is so intresting. Thanks for sharing.
The officer seen at 1:35 is James Cook, not William Bligh. I often walk past the house in south London where Bligh lived on his return from the mutiny.
Thanks so much for correcting me! That is so fascinating that you walk past Bligh's house. Thank you very much for sharing this.
Correct!
you are a very lucky man,i envey you
The Statue memorial to him, is on the North Bank I beleive.
If you profess to be knolagable on the subject why make such a glaring mistake as to include a painting of James cook
Outstanding video and nicely done!
Thank you so much!
I think you'll find that the Admiralty instructed Bligh to go to Tahiti via Cape Horn. Also Bligh was one of the most lenient officers, but was rather harsh in his treatment of his crew. The stories of Bligh's cruelty were started by Edward Christian, Fletcher's brother in order to try to clear his (and the Family's) name. Bligh's ability as a navigator became legendary and the maps made by Bligh in the Bounty's launch were still being used as most accurate up to the 1940's. Some myths about this story are still around.
Hollywood has done a lot to twist the facts in just about every thing they do. Take a look at “ the Birth of A Nation”, from 1015. They show 100s of blacks raiding and killing. How crosse that is!
Hollywood should be ashamed to allow that to ever happen.
Correct on all points. Bligh was a genius. If a bit flawed.
@@normanbraslow7902 some years later he was appointed Governor of New South Wales...
lenient but harsh
@@peterlaustra2892 -----AND ? there was a mutiny there too, over his zealous treatment of the locals. He was replaced. Yet there is a Statue of him on the Thames Embankment.
Great content and beautifully presented thank you for you're time and effort you put into making this video ❤
Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate it. :)
Wood hulled sailing ships, even those that were copper sheathed against the ravages of the toredo worm, typically were retired after 20 years or less. Those that remain today have had extraordinary maintenance.
Excellent video! 👏🏼
Thanks so much!
You got one detail wrong. It wasn’t _HMS_ Bounty. It was _HMAV_ Bounty (His Majesty’s Armed Vessel). As you rightly said, it was a merchant ship purchased by the RN. They put a couple of guns on it (hence-“armed” vessel), but it was an auxiliary, not a warship.
Just like U.S. Navy auxiliaries are titled USNS (United States Navy Ship) and not USS.
Not a big deal, almost everybody gets that wrong, but I thought you might be interested to know.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for letting me know.
I have seen those movies two 👍 👍 up on your channel
I was on the bounty when it was docked in Portland. Amazingly small
Wow! That is so cool! Thanks for sharing.
Yet I read, that the replica was made 30ft longer, to accommodate Engines, and large film Cameras, of the early 60's.
@@MrDaiseymay Yes, the original was only 90 ft. long. Way too small for the mission.
Great stuff..huge fan of this . Like the presenter. !))good job..!))
Thanks so much! You're to kind! 😊
@@mjmmedia8056 your very welcome what's yr fav film out of the three..!) X
@@robertpaisley8643 I like the 2nd one the best because it is a classic.
@@mjmmedia8056 sure is Trevor Howard is brilliant ..plays the part so well ..Brando does well too.. amazing film wins it for me 84 one is v good to beautiful music theme to it.. vangelis ..x.
Bounty was a marvel in a lot of ways. The men who built her built her as she would have been built in the 1700's. Being a Canadian, whenever I read of her or saw her in a movie, I felt a sense of pride. Such a loss when she went down and even more of a tragedy with the loss of human life that also took place that fateful day. Not sure if she will ever be replicated in that authentic fashion again.
Hello Anthony Rader,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this. Very fascinating the connection you have with this ship. Can't agree more with how it was a tragedy when the HMS Bounty went down.
@@mjmmedia8056 But what about the plan to re-make her ?
@@MrDaiseymay I am not sure if that is still going to happen or not.
History is so amazing. I love it❤️❤️💥💥👍
Thanks so much! I greatly appreciate it!
I remember that I Could've gone aboard HMS when I Thought it was docked in RI (guess I thought wrong) But somehow & I don't know how-heard it was taking on water-I was apprehensive about Sloshing along a sailing vessel of lore so I missed out-next I heard it sank at sea-and no one knew why you would attempt to outrun a hurricane-But your well done video explains thats what you would do in a vessel like that(but the leaking part?( don't know if it was fixed. (I'm not a credible source it's only what I heard from people who lived in RI & were knowledgable
Why no mention of the girl who parished when it sank?
"It was Bligh's desire to sail via Cape Horn" - wrong. It was the Admiralty's order. Bligh warned the Admiralty that if he doesn't receive the final order to set sail it would be impossible to sail via Cape Horn and they would have to turn to the East. And that's what happened. The Admiralty was late, leaving Bligh wait in England until it was too late. But at least he tried to act according to the order.
Thanks for the correction on this. I was not aware. You are a historian because you seem very knowledgeable on this subject matter?
@@mjmmedia8056 It's also interesting why the Bounty spent 23 weeks on Tahiti. Many think it's because they had to wait for the fruition of the breadfruit. The truth seems to be something else since breadfruit is an all year round plant, no matter if you pick it in January, July or December. However, Bligh was ordered by the Admiralty to sail from Tahiti through the Torres trait and Java. Since in this region the wind blows from the West from January till March, it was impossible for Bligh to sail towards the West during that time of the year. Had the Bounty arrived to Tahiti from Cape Horn 6 months earlier, it could have left the island after 2-3 weeks towards the Torres strait. But the crew was late so had to wait. I know these from the letters and logbook of Bligh, his crew members and the Admiralty.
Your video was Very good-just found it Jan 2023-you filled in the missing puzzeltet pieces!
Thanks so much.
Wouldn’t HMS stand for “His Majesty’s Ship” since the monarch at the time was King George III?
I thought I knew just about all there is to know about The Mutiny on the Bounty, your film proved not. I found a first edition of the book in a Goodwill Store. I bought it for $1.00, it's a prized possession of mine. Keep up the fine work. I am subscribing & I'll watch the rest of your work. 👍🏼
Thanks for sharing. I greatly appreciate it.
Crazy. The HMS Bounty is a British ship. Here she is sailing under an American flag!!!
*They are telling a story , I thought that I would get a glance of the tour of the antique vikings ship.*
This was Bounty 2, but you can see in YT Bounty 3 "H.M.A.V Bounty"
I read that it's main structure was made of steel, with wooden cladding ? Probably cheeper, and more tougher.
Very Interesting
"Bligh Master Mariner" a book written by Rob Mundle. It tells the Story after the mutiny and Bligh's journey to Timor.
Thanks for the recommendation. Appreciate it.
@@mjmmedia8056 You're welcome
hi,why has no one gone down to find the Bounty at the bottom.? the 1962 film was a great film,still watch it on dvd.
Hi. Thanks for the comment. I am not sure why no one has tried looking for the Bounty. Great question.
She's 2,000' deeper than Titanic. It would be extremely costly, and time-consuming to locate and
dive down to her. Very few submersibles can reach that depth. Nice dream...but, not very practical.
I bottle ships, and the Bounty is on my list, leave a comment as to how you would want to see her!
HMS Bounty, destined to destruction twice by the horrendous misdeeds of both ships Captains.
There is some evidence that suggests that Christian made it back to England, where he lived incognito. John Adams' account of what happened on Pitcairn and the fates of others of the crew members changed multiple times depending on who he was talking to, but the evidence supporting Christian's return to England doesn't stop there.
The HMS Bounty was built in Lunenburg Nova Scotia Canada we will build another one day i am from that area and we are the only one that have the building plans for the Bounty.
YES BUT---it was MGM who applied to the Royal Navy Museum in London, for copies of all the plans. Who has them now ? Question, Will any new re-make, be strictly as according to the original plans, or to MGM size plans ?
@@MrDaiseymay Ok well i know we have the building plans to build this ship again if requested to.They are already talking about one being built in the future do not know all the details on it yet.
At 1:37 it is a portrait of Capt Cook, NOT Bligh. Lets get it right.
1:39 "...fall prey to 3 minutes"
:-)
Well done.
Thanks so much!
Sehr Schönes Video. Habe sie jetzt auch abonniert ich nehme auch Binnenschiffe zum gröbsten teil auf scheuen sie vorbei danke machen sie weiter
Really interesting, glad this story was told!
Thank you! I greatly appreciate the comment! 🙏
What an interesting and enjoyable video, thanks for making it :)
Thanks so much. Glad you liked it.
Thanks but at 1:37 the portrait is Captain Cook not Bligh
Thanks for letting me know
At that time it was His majesties ship Bounty.
Intresting. I had no idea about that. Thanks for bringing it up.
11/12/2012
Not "her majesty's" it was "his majesty" . George III was King.
HMS 'BEAUTY.', DIED TEN YEARS AGO THIS COMING SATURDAY 29/10/2022.
The land
you are reading the info from the Wikipedia page
I steered this ship in Sydney Harbour.
That is fascinating! Not many people in the world can say that.
Thanks so much for sharing!
@@mjmmedia8056 My pleasure! For what it’s worth, it was pretty unresponsive but after the first few minutes spent over controlling it, I sort of settled in. I got the impression (speaking as one who sails) that it would have been better controlled by the set of the sails than by the helm. The rudder was, after all, not much more than a block of wood!
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All of the movies are very, very flawed.
I take it you mean Historically ? Unless you are making a documentary ( usually for TV ) Hollywood in particularly, only make spectaculars like this, with the BOX-OFFICE in mind. In the past, there has been many such films of British Historic stories, with terrible oversites of history, and awful choice of casting, purely based on who is the current number one star.
The Bounty 1984 is at least 90% accurate.
@@bobbylee2853 Great film!
aren't cape horn and cape of good hope the same place??
You could be right on that.
@@mjmmedia8056 if i remember right cape horn was later renamed cape of good hope to get away from cape horn's reputation for being dangerous.
Cape Horn ~ South American
Cape of Good Hope ~ South Africa.