CLAN MacGREGOR's FALL: Scottish Clan History and the Battle of Glen Fruin
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- The history of the MacGregor Clan, or any Highland Clans is colourful. Proscribed for 180 years off and on following the Battle of Glen Fruin, but why? Was it the fault of Clan MacGregor, Clan Colquhoun, or Clan Campbell? Who were the cause of the fall of Clan Gregor, Scottish history tour guide Bruce Fummey tells tales from Scotlands History
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Rob Roys mother was a Campbell... and the Campbells took him in when his name was removed.
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@@jokingker2553 😂 😂 😂
From the Scottish historical society a reply to I'm not sure? Well who the hell really is were you and I there?! But I think if it's been repeated as much as it has it probably has more than just a little probable foundation! You hardly ever hear anybody say anything good about the Campbell's, and of course if this is you Mr commentator you don't even want to get started on the comments about the master of stair?! I'm not sure?!
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No doubt, I couldn't hit subscribe fast enough.
@@brianwestberry9117 hahaha, I got here via a video on the silver bridge disaster. Good channel though
No lie, it's quite refreshing
same. he sounds like a nicer sean connery :D
When the Campbell's aren't making soup, they're making trouble.
😂
Lmao
im still waiting for haggis stew
AMEN
It's always the Campbells fault
As a descendant of Clan McGregor I stumbled onto this video. You’re a good storyteller, sir. I mean that seriously and not sarcastically.
Specifically, I appreciate the way you tell history by putting it into a physical space, both showing the land where events happened and then explaining them on the map. That’s the mark of a deft historian and a good storyteller.
🥰 hey Johnny Walker ~ I too am a MacGregor ( I’m in Boston area Massachusetts usa) McDermott’s married name ~ I never knew 😳 I can unfortunately say some of us up here are still wicked & unhappy 🙁 crazy curse I suppose ~ I’m not under it 🙏 I am 1/2 miqmac as well so I’m grateful 😇 not mean or unhappy lol 😆 happy 2022 my brother 💙✌🏽😇shalom shalom Nameste
Also from Clan McGregor. I'm a Greer. In North Carolina.
As a descendant of Clan Campbell; sorry we were such cunts to you lot.
@@borismuller86 bit of a understatement mate 🤣😂
It's amazing how potent this feud still is. As a young man I was at the highland games in Pleasanton California and that year they put the MacGregor and Campbell clan tents right next to each other. Big mistake. There was a huge brawl. I wasn't present but the other MacGregors told me the Campbells started it, and we finished it.
😂😂😂Let it go
My people on my fathers and grandfathers side where MacGregors. They ended up running to South Carolina in the 1640's and adopted the name Gregor which later became Greer. Took me a while to track that down. My sister married a man named Campbell. Should I tell her about this feud? We go to the Highland festival in Kansas city most years and I don't want to start trouble! LOL
@@mattsmith7490 Do you know a man by the name of Gary Sullivan? He's an older doctor and author.
So basically a couple of Americans got into a fight.
Are you serious? LOL that is fucking cringeworthy. How typically 'Yank' - a bunch of idiots finding an excuse to feud over something they never were involved in. How embarrassing that they hijack a bygone culture because they have none of their own.
Huge respect to Alasdair MacGregor. Balls of steel to take on that many horse. Pincer or not. Clever and brave af.
Patton would have loved it. "Hold em by the nose and kick em in the ass". As a McIntosh, MacGregors are my chattan. "Touch not the Cat bot a Glove"
Aye...I sense the McGregors were always the ones with the balls...and a rough and ready crowd...but fundamentally honest...unlike their cunning neighbours
As a descendant of the" children of the mist" I congratulate you on your synthesis of the Macgregor history. It is hard to attribute the dominant thead of the several competing strands that you outline. A modern perspective of right and wrong does not travel back 400 years too easily. The black and white of today is more finely nuanced yesterday.. In my book the Campbells are the guilty ones.
My ancestors were part of the MacGregor clan. Before passing away, my father collected info and put together a book. This video has great info and insight into what happened
Delighted
Is it published?
I’m a MacGregor myself. Direct descendant of rob roy as a matter of fact. This was a great video.
What a wonderful story. I'm Canadian - my Grandpa was so very proud of his clan roots (MacGregor by way of Jack and Davidson - I think that's Clan Chattan? I named my first son after Grandpa - another generation to carry the name Davidson forward) and I know he would have loved these stories. To the very end of his life, he wore his clan cap and got terribly flinty about clan Campbell. . . "Never trust a Campbell," Grandpa used to say. "Never as far as you could throw him! And may it be to the nearest bog." ;-)
Hey thanks for sharing that story of ur grandpa,very funny !
You father should be proud but the thingis we are related to campbells as well as many mcgregors married campbell girls even robroys mother vas a campbell !!!
I'm really inclined to see the Campbells as instigators and enablers of the violence between the Colquhouns and the MacGregors. None of them seem faultless, but I think Argyll carries a lot of responsibility for the end result.
I am inclined to agree, they may not have carried out the first physical blow but they were certainly the instigators.
It's definitely a trait of the Campbells playing one side against the other and standing back to watch the ensuing carnage, the seeds of which they'd sown.
"A people whom can legally be hunted wiþ dogs"
Me, a MacGregor: oh, oh no...
Tee hee hee
So I'm an Orr and, according to a little clan history book I picked up in Edinburgh, after the fall of the MacGregors some survivors fled to Clan Orr and adopted the name. Not that I claim any Scottish ancestry, definitely too far removed for that but I thought it was cool. So what I'm saying is your welcome to use my surname
@@TenaciousSnail don't worry, its not legal in Canada
How's the leg ?... lol
Lol
Excellent video I am also a MacGregor descendent. Alister Macgregor was a true hero for the clan.
It's clear and not unusual that the Campbells were the cause of The conflict in Glenn Fruin. Excellent presentation Bruce.
To me seems it was the Campbell's who started it all got the other two clans to fight it out then come in and take for their own wat was left in plain terms a land grab been done this way for centuries land and then POWER
Fuck the Capbells. They should have been banished
@@johnwokutch8015 Seems to me it was James VI and his manipulations that led to this end, though the Campbells seem to have been willing conspirators. All water under the bridge at this point, but a good example of how injustice is justified to meet the ends of greedy people.
It's hard to blame any one source of fault in the old, clan skirmishes, haha.
I've always felt that the biggest misfortune of historical Scotland was that we spent so much time scrapping with the neighbours that uniting and becoming an unstoppable force was never an option. If we had learned to get along and collaborate, I reckon we would have made the Vikings look tame in comparison.
I used to work for the Colquhouns in Luss and I have to say; we didn't hang as many folk as they used to back in the day, haha.
Im a proud Campbell only thing I care about is all Scottish history. Whoever was at fault dont matter its just awesome to hear someone talk that knows about Scottish history. Thank you for starting a great channel to learn from!!!
Thanks Jeffery
I agree Jeffrey, I am a Canadian Campbell (with some MacPhee & MacDonald in there too) & I think they all had a hand in the whole mess. Too bad the clans were always fighting each other. Scotland has such a rich history & I love hearing about it & reading about it. Aside from all their squabbling with each other Scotland has produced the finest fighting men in the world.
As a Henderson/LaMont descendant, I'll say it was the Campbells. Apparently massacres of opposing clans whose land they wanted was a favored tactic.
The Campbell's slaughtered the Clan Lamont in a place called Dunoon in Argyll and Bute in western Scotland.I know where the memorial stone is.
A sad state of affairs eh?
As my grandfather taught me ‘ya ne’er trust a Campbell. Proud LaMont
@@noreen4529 My father, whose ancestor was transported to Jamaica in the 17th century, taught me "you canna trust a Campbell"
I agree as a Lamont descendant as well :)
i'm a collie, my family 400 year ago were macgregors, we escaped the persecution and escaped up to peterhead. remember, never trust a campbell
My mother, born in Germantown Philadelphia, said her people came from Cork. She was raised Catholic. She once told me that for some reason she never really liked the Scots Irish.
My mother is a Murdoch and said that to me as a lad. She was fairly astute as it turned out.
@@regulusmine2336 look at North of Ireland for you mom's answer 🇮🇪
Yeah you can, trust me.
@@markcampbell1444 Ach, no! Ye Campbell's polish the hooves of Ol' Scratch himself. Ye gave the the Sirens the melodies to tempt Ulysses. All of ye have the silver tongue hammered from the lockets of widowed women. They sleep in cold beds with nary a bite to eat bc ye killed their men like a Judas in the night. Be gone Campbell, go make your soup and fill the cans with the sweat oh honest men.
MacGregor Despite Them. Proud MacGregor here. Flippin Campbells
Ah ken eh?
That's what I was told growing up. Campbells be damned.
I am also a Macgregor
LOL. The Campbell's are in my line too. I don't have anything against the McGregor Clan. Mainly because my genepool is an eyedropper. Liney's whaddya gonna do?! ♥️We came to the Americas in the 1790's. I think we can all get along after this time.
@danny hawk you forgot the McLeods. Ha! Only kidding. 😘
A lot of MacGregor fugitives came to Canada. The name is not uncommon in Ontario, and points east.
You're spot on! My family is in Ontario, Quebec and eastward.
Yeah im from ontario and my grandma is a MacGregor!
@@augustthorstein2072
My grandmother is a McGregor too. She was born in the eastern townships of Quebec, but the family is also in Glengarry/ Prescott in eastern Ontario.
Great alternative stories Bruce! Being descended from the MacGregor Clan and from my families with their aliases ( mine the Pietrie/ MacGee families) to avoid capture on both sides of my genealogy, I'm naturally biased toward the last alternative involving that dastardly Campbell Clan who were constantly "acquiring" land from the MacGregors. Unfortunately, knowing that we also had a habit of "borrowing" cattle which I might add were not orange at this time, I may have to agree with your first alternative which is to say that we were defending ourselves after going on our usual nightly cattle raids. Mea culpa, mea culpa. In fact, I always ask my friends to check their cattle before I leave.
he stole the cattle good work great great great grandftaher :)
@@tonythille8924 Naughty Rob Roy
Most interesting way of breaking down this battle I've ever heard. I had an old friend, a Celtic singer from Scotland who was very proud that he could trace his family back through Clan MacGregor via his mother. But to have a Clan name stricken on pain of death it would have taken far more than a Chief or two, it would take a King. This seems to be a political ploy made to look like Clan rivalry, which is what it became. This was a time when anybody who stood fast to views different from their King could get them all killed and quickly. My friend told me that Clan MacGregor was unhappy that James VI was going to use England as his base instead of bringing England into the Scottish fold. While James was probably wise to do it that way for political reasons it didn't sit well with many and the MacGregors were the most powerful Clan in opposition. So, having curried favor with the King in order to keep their clans alive and in tact, I can see both Colquhoun and Campbell of Argyle making stealthy tactical moves and using propaganda to take the enemy down. That it worked shows part of the beginning of the method England used to disunify the Highlanders as a whole. It worked all too well.
Now that's an interesting take
I believe King James ordered them to denounce the name on pain of death because the motto for clan MacGregor is “royal is the blood that flows through these veins” or something grammatically similar, so he was basically eliminating potential claimants to the throne.
Imagine if Scotland did bring England under it's rule, wonder what it be like today
@@mattevans923 that was my friend's belief and mine as well. The MacGregors could have made claim based on having been the rulers a good while back. But it would've ultimately broken Scotland and England both which James was intelligent enough to see. The Clans were thinking in the present. James worried about the future. My friend didn't like this but he agreed with me that James I made the right call.
@@tub19 it wouldn't have worked, which is at least one of the reasons that he did things the way he did. He was following Elizabeth I who had made England the world power that it still is today. Scotland was slowly starting it's break from the Catholic church but was not far enough away to please the English nobility that had made a complete, clean break through Elizabeth. If memory serves me, James also broke from the Catholic church when he became King of England. Had he not, he would have sparked internal warfare probably ending in his being the first English King executed by his own countrymen instead of Charles I! There were too many ways to get himself killed by the English and this is just one of them! After the execution, the civil war between the two countries would have broken England's international power and made both ripe for European (and Catholic) takeover. James was intelligent enough to save his beloved Scotland even though it didn't seem like he was doing that at the time. He chose to make the wrong decision for many but it probably actually saved the clan rule of the Highlands for at least a little while longer.
My uncle was Sir ian Alexander McGregor one of the leading malariologists in the world who made a great contribution to mankind - despite them
Wow! This video explains this topic so even I can understand! I’m a MacGregor by marriage but have made it my “duty” to learn as much about MacGregor history as I can. Thank you very much! Cheers from Florida!
As a Colquhoun this is a brilliant channel to learn about you'ur clan.
Also a Colquhoun, and the story told here is the same I have heard growing up.
I don’t know much about Scottish history so these videos have massively educated me
You have no idea how much I enjoy the stories of Scotland. It's stunning,
I aim to please Glen😊
My maternal grandmother was full Scottish. I have always been proud of this and I love to hear stories about Scotland. I just love it.
Absolutely hooked on Scottish history after watching and subscribing and I am English/Welsh. Next time I go to visit my friends in Perth I will be going to check out some of these sites and staying a few extra days, I'm sure they would like to come along. The way you present these informative chunks of history is first class, thank you.
Yay
Fascinating history and wonderful insight! I never would have found your channel had it not been for those who support you. Will join patron or BMAC just to see more videos in the future!!
My family comes from Croatia, my ex was Scottish, Clan Gordon. We both have an ethnic history of blood feuds going back generations that nobody can sort out or affix blame to...
It seems you don't know what ethnic actually means, ethnicity is more the cultural upbringing associated with ones native national identity. The term 'Native' is a cognate of the term 'Nation', both of which etymologically relate to their derivative form 'Nationality'.
'Ethnicity' (from 'Ethnos') is acquired, for example your native Yank Doodle native accent from America is a part of your native ethnicity as well as your heritage being American as you inherited your American default citizenry (and ethnicity overtime) as a result of your native USian American nationality.
I’m indigenous to what is now called the United States, however, I’ve had immense love and respect for SCOTLAND. It’s been a long time dream for me to visit, and hopefully when the world is less chaotic. I be able to do so.
Do it. Do it
Go! I did 10 years ago, and want to go back. My family came from Renfrewshire near Glasgow. I wasn't able to make it there on my trip, and hope to go back.
I did pick up a book on the MacGregors for my son, as that was my husband's family. My son's comment was "Mom! They were nothin' but horse thieves!" It took a bit to convince him that all the clans were "horse thieves." 😂
Scotland is absolutely beautiful! And such lovely people, and quite outspoken.
If you wait for the world to calm down you’ll never see Scotland.
Good to see a proud American acknowledge and admit he is an American. Too many fakers from America claiming to be everything but American.
Respect to you Sir.
@@plasticpaddy985 he’s a Native American bro. He’d have to go back ~15,000 years to find immigrants lol (if he’s 100% First Nation). Is it too much a crime to enjoy one’s history and have a little fun with it? I mean, it’s true that most of the comments here are lame af, but at least they’re admiring rather than tearing down...
This is a great retelling of the story, it's always a pleasure to stumble upon a presenter with an obvious passion for his subject.
Subscribed! Your ability to tell a story, has me hooked.
A most enjoyable way to learn Scottish history. Fantastic job. 👍
Still in 2021 McGregor, despite them!
Greetings alison, how are you today?
I'll admit, it was all three clans that led to the battle.
I just found your channel and I'm enjoying your storytelling. I live in Canada with a strong family connection to Scotland. I'm a descendant of the clan as my maternal grandmother was a MacGregor, and a decendant of Rob Roy. Our line also includes McNeil, Munro, Ross, McGuer, and many others. Bruce you're a wonderful teacher.
Thank you
Thanks for this video! My ancestors kept their name and fled to the Orkney Islands, moving to Glasgow in the late 1800s. My dad moved to Canada where I was born, and I've met many a MacGregor here. So glad I found your channel! Also, has anyone else noticed that Rob Roy MacGregor tartin is absolutely everywhere lately in US and Canada?
If the records are accurate, my grandma descended from the MacGregor Clan (but all women, so they didn't remain MacGregors). They settled in Canada and then in Iowa. Anyway, I thought that was pretty cool.
Nice to know there are other Macgregors ,my lineage comes from 3 brothers who settled in North Carolina been to Scotland early 60s
All 3 brothers , your granny was a bit of a girl .
Your Lineage would be Yankish now, your immediate and most related ancestors were Yankee cowboys of the old West, just like most Americans ancestors, and your ancestors ancestors ancestors ancestors weren't actually Scottish, they were Reivers, who weren't considered Scottish or English.
@@plasticpaddy985 clearly don’t know where North Carolina is and how recent the “old west” was. Funny nonetheless
@@plasticpaddy985 trying to gatekeep people from their own lineage eh? you must be a gem of a person. Tool.
I love these videos, I love history and I love the natural beauty Scotland preserves. Never actually been to Scotland, never had the money. But these videos bring it home for me. Thank you Bruce!
Thanks Chad. I'm on the brink of shedding a tear. It's only my machismo that's saving me right now
@@ScotlandHistoryTours 😂
have you looked up border reivers , lot of history there too ,
Only recently discovered your channel and I’m loving it. Scotland has some of the most beautiful countryside I’ve seen on this island.
True
Just found your channel, it is indeed a gem. Thankyou
The Battle of Glenfruin is preserved in the ancient Piobaireachd called "The Rout of Glenfruin"..lovely tune
Everyone knocking the Campbell's but their tomato soup is miles better than that clan Heinz .
Is it really Campbell's soup they sell or stolen McGregor's? Damn those Campbell's with their soupy ways!
Heinz is better Campbell's is 💩💩💩💩
Campbell’s soup is better! Lol
If a Welshmen born in America might interject?. Wouldn't you think the STEWards would be the ones who made the soup not the Campbells.
@@DavidJones-ct7fw O DDEFNYDD O If ur from nefyn/Gwynedd area of north wales possibly related
Scotland is definitely on my go to list. My dad loved it. These videos help me to get I touch with the land a lot more whenever I make it there. Thank you, its very interesting.
Look forward to seeing you here
I could watch and listen to you all day long. I've learnt a lot from your channel. Better than anything on normal TV brilliant 👏 👌
I thank you
If the Campbells were involved you know who's to blame.
obviously the campbells. it is always the campbells fault, always
@@maxineward1419 aye
@@maxineward1419 It is what it is
@@dylancampbell6586 at least you know how corrupt your ancestors were.
The Dalrymples?
Another great video! As a descendant of the Clan MacLaren, who were also hard-done-by by the MacGregors, I'll hold my judgement as to who was right or wrong and simply be entertained ;)
pog ma hone
Completely addicted to this channel. I watch at least one video a day and I can't even begin to express how much Serenity they give me. Just fantastic storytelling
Guid lass
Just came across your channel today when I searched for videos on the Morrison Clan ( I’m descended from Morrison Clan on my father’s side )
Got to say really enjoying not just the history , but the way you have presented them . Learned few things never heard about and heard about but not knowing the history behind it ie going away with a flee in the ear and the riot act .
😁
My ancestors from Scotland that were MacGregors came over to America in the 1640s. Long live Clan MacGregor!
You were lied to then. Official Clan MacGregor records put the first MacGregors in New York untill the very late 1700s. If you are going to pick something to lie about, dont make it the most well known and recorded Scottish family. 🤣
@@PostPatriot According to the records my family has found, mostly from the digging my grandmother and great grandmother have done, this is the information we have. Also they didn't live in New York, but in New Hampshire. She just passed away, but we still have the paperwork. She had traced our lineage back to both Scotland and Finland back to 1400 and 1200 respectively. So maybe your records are incomplete.
@@jeremiahkivi4256 Then you are the wrong MacGregors. The actual bloodline clan as recorded entered America in the late 1700s. There were three brothers and they immigrated around 1785 and settled in Iowa, or Idaho, I cant recall exactly.
So, no, you aren't MacGregors. You may be a cousin or married into the family somewhere, but Scottish bloodlines are well documented as National heritage. So my records are exact. Thanks for the laugh.
@@PostPatriot Lmao Iowa wasn't a thing until 1846, also wasn't IN the US as a part of the Midwest/Wisconsin Territory until 1803 when purchased by the US from France. Idaho was a part of the Northwest Territory which wasn't established until 1818 and a state until 1890. You claim to know history but get basic facts completely wrong. If anyone is having a laugh, it's everyone at your expense. Good day and good luck on getting your information correct.
Mine also. Kincaid 1649
Glen Fruin,Glen Luss and Glen Douglas ahhh i miss my childhood running up those hills
We spent a week at Arrochar in '16; one morning when the Little Lady wasn't feeling quite up to snuff I took the rental for a driveabout. Ran down to Faslane then up that incredible nap'o'the earth road through Glen Fruin...had no idea of the history of the place until reading up on the MacGregors some time later. Finished the trip by driving through Glen Douglas. Can't wait to get back. Beautiful country, wonderful people.
Aye, that's Garelochhead Training Area where many a poor Jock soldier has sweated and shivered, slogged up them hills, sloshed about the peat bogs and been feasted on by midgies - a fine place!
I am a Colquhoun, and the story you have told regarding the raid on the Colquhouns is the one I was told growing up and the one I believe.
Great video my friend. Love our history.My mother was a Campbell and my father done our family tree and we can trace our line back to the house Douglas. Love our country.
I am a MacLaren and we also have some bad blood with the MacGregors...not personally of course (I am a friend who is a McGregor) but those stories are told over generations, and they still carry a bitter flavor to them.
The remaining MacGregors fled eventually settling in Canada, where the battle of the Thames in the war of 1812 was fought on MacGregor land, ( the British called it the battle of MacGregors Mill) the battle was an American victory, where Shawnee Chief Tecumseh was killed, and the British were finally forced out of the Old Northwest Territory, the family later settled at MacGregor Point on the Eastern Shore of Lake Huron where a Provincial Park bears their name, it is from this branch of the family, that my late wife was a decendant, oddly enough both my ex father in law and brother in law share the name of John, and in every generation since his time there has been one male named Rob Roy.
Not the only MacGregor's in the New World some of us were south of you
we settled in america australia and new zealand too. i was looking at a rental in queensland two years back and the owner was shocked i knew " 'S Rioghal Mo Dhream" meant royal is my race. how did you know that? he questioned to which i replied 'because royal is my race'. we didn't have any of the same living relatives, yet macgregor we are. so i'm saying not all macgregors moved to canada. many didn't.
Some of the persecuted kept their Sept and also found life in America. I am just now learning of my heritage. But I found that this was the case with why I have the last name of Whyte.
Hi, cuz, I am from the same line!
very ihterstingmy home town is windsor ontario canada love that area
This channel is an absolute GEM! 💎 Glad I found it!
I'm glad too
I used one of your videos in my freshman comp class as a demonstration of how to shut down a logical fallacy with poise and grace. I'll buy you coffee each time I use your work as an example of the right way to approach difficult topics. Thanks, Bruce.
Brilliant! Thanks
Another good Video Bruce. I'd definitely go for Campbell. Time and time again throughout that period right into the mid 18th century clan Campbell had been on a massive land grabbing spree managing to get rid of all the clans they thought posed them a problem, and in turn using their power in parliament and influence of the law to seize the land from them turning it all in to Campbell land. The more land they own the more tenants they will have paying rents. MacGregor, MacDonald and Stewart of Appin to name a few clans this happened to. That is why there is a Duke of Argyll today that owns so much land and influence.
Exactement
I remember loving Nigel Tranters book about the McGregors
I’m so glad someone mentioned the Tranter text. I hope all you N. American McGregors beg your local library to get you a copy.
Jeanette McGregor Ireland
Slainte!
Wonderfully researched and I appreciate the care you take in your explanation and story-telling. Greetings from Johannesburg!
1:44 the dramatic zoom!!! nailed it
It seems blame cannot be blamed solely on one group, and given the wonderful presentation, the facts are inconclusive. It seems a culmination of the 3 parties and the edicts of King Jimmy lead to this sad portion of highland history. Just trying to look at this objectively. Btw, I would also point to Robbie Burns' Grave Concerning another famous MacGregor!
i grew up in foster care and at one of the homes i lived in the family name was Gregg.
It was definitely one of my better experiences and i was shuffled in and out of a lot of places. Group homes, foster homes, juvenile facilities, work ranches, hospitials, etc.
Anyway it all seemed normal until we were watching something on the local news that involved a person who was under suspicion of a crime and his name was Campbell. Suddenly the family went nuts and were talking about what a bunch of crumbs the Campbells were. Then they proceded to tell me about the several hundred years feud that they had with them. it didnt even dawn on me that there was no Campbell's soup in the house. i think every house i ever lived in had Campbell's soup but not the Greggs. I thought it was so weird.
i lived there about 10 months, one of the more long term places i stayed. They were the most wobderful people i lived with but unfortunately it was a bad time in my life. Anyway all these years later anytime i hear the name Campbell the old juices start flowing and i go into feud mode. lol. We do have campbells soup in our pantry though.
Thanks Bruce you made my day @ The Moraig Standing Stones this week, well Chuffed.
Love, love these videos! I’m from the US, and I love your videos of Scottish history! You need your own program on the History Channel! Thank you for making these videos!
Maybe one day!
This is truly interesting to watch, I love your accent
Where are you from
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Chile, I discovered your channel with the video about Thomas Cochrane :)
Ah low, sorry, yes
Wow, I am a Murray, I was always told," You are a Murray!" I was at Mt.St
Helens. I am black, from ALABAMA. LOVE BAG PIPES FOR SOME REASON.
My surname's Johnson, I'm white, but seemingly related to many black guys in Detroit!
Many, if not most, Black Americans have European admixture. Muhammad Ali's great grandfather was from Ireland.
Another Murray checking in.
@@justinmurray4652 Hi glad to hear from you;.
clearly the scots were competing against
...THE BLACK IRISH
All the times I drove by firkin point nee the wiser.. everyday is a school day in the journey of life. Thank you Bruce
Firkin point is near the frontier between Colquhoun and MacFarlane territory. In each engagement mentioned, there was a sizable contingent of MacFarlanes fighting on the side of their allies, the MacGregors, to include the Battle of Glen Fruin. The MacFarlanes had their own problems with the Colquhouns and needed little encouragement to join the MacGregors.
Very cool! Thank you for the history lesson. I’m a MacGregor via Scotland to Ireland to the US in Southwest Ohio. Hoping to travel and visit the ancestral lands someday.
Aye it's a bonny part o' the country
hello fellow Ohioan!
I just found this channel because I was interested in seeing a bit of my family history because I didn’t know much about it, first and foremost I consider myself American and Scottish second, despite also never having been to Scotland, I knew the general idea of the Macgregor families history but this helped me become a bit more knowledgeable of where my family came from, and I’m quite thankful for that
You can't be both American and Scottish in any order as they are two entirely different distinct nationalities/ethnicities over 4,000 long long miles apart across a vast ocean desert in entirely different continents with different cultures, philosophies and perspectives etc. Being one and claiming to be the other undermines both by automatic default.
It would be more accurate to say you are an American native who happens to have had a distant ancestor or two who was born in Scotland a long time ago.
@@plasticpaddy985 honestly I agree with you, I am American in nationality with Scottish ancestors, but I still take pride in my ancestry to some degree, I don’t wave it around and declare it to the world and yell it out in the middle of the street, but my family line traces back to Scotland so it’s the nation I most align with after my home nation, I don’t see anything wrong with that
@@austingole4861 Fair enough, no offence though just going by a lot of American views here and there it seems to be about all they can talk about. Some just get tired of seeing it constantly mentioned after a while, then start wondering about it and eventually looking into it more academically to see why it's so prevalent like it's a cry for attention to be noticed.
@@plasticpaddy985 I can see how this would get annoying, but I mostly did this comment because I was thankful, hope you have a nice day
@@austingole4861Cheers, nothing personal of course, it was more a collectivised observation, you have to understand it's not like an overnight thing, it's fairly endemic with a lot of comments coming from America that are largely posted on many Scottish groups, not just CZcams video threads, also Facebook groups, Twitter, social media in general etc, so hard not to notice it, been using CZcams more since about 2007, used it a few times earlier but wasn't a regular user before that point so seen it a lot over the years.
But yea have a nice day too, no hard feelings.
My Grand Parents left Scottland to come to America in 1922. My Family name is Cowan, septs of Clan Colquhoun. Just subscribed to your channel. It's great to learn about my family's background. Thanks.
I'd say: 'You're welcome.' though your name suggests this channel may not ba as good a fit for you as you think.😥
My family are from Helensburgh, just over the hill, my great grand father , Thomas Bryce, was born in Glencoe, he was a Gaelic speaker, he was one of the MacGregor Clan, who changed their surname to Bryce, the Bryces later became a sept of Clan MacFarlane.
Without doubt the Earl of Argyle the Campbell Chief, Campbell in Gaelic means "Crooked Mouth" with good reason if one puts it into a historical context.
Or wry mouth, as in humorous.
No such thing as 'Gaelic' - that's actually just a foreign slur word to wrongly conflate them, the correct words are 'Albannach' which means Scottish.
Or 'Eirennach' which means Irish.
@@plasticpaddy985 or Scots Gaelic as Gaelic is the name for the language they fall under, in fact in Ireland it’s Gaelige that they use to refer to their language.
isnt campbell derived from champbelle or champbeau?
@@philmckay9973 I don’t think so, I’m pretty sure the clan had been around longer than the French started interacting with the scots but idk, I’m a Colquhoun so this ain’t none my business
Whenever there is a Campbell in the Glen, mischief is afoot.
I’ve just watched this after seeing your stand up comedy show in Dumfries last night 08/09/23 which was brilliant!
Love this too as I am from the MacGregor clan but spelled McGregor so wanted to learn some history from the name… very interesting 🤔
I'm delighted
I'm David Fruin and four generations ago my family came to the USA and I've heard stories about how we used to be MacGregor but everyone had a different take on the story. Thank you so much for such a great video on how it all happened!
I am a MacGregor and proud of it.
Royal is your blood Margaret
@Bill Day lol, should I have searched for another MacGregor to marry?
Is your married name bonanno Margaret ? As in Joe bonanno the bonanno clan from New York ?
My middle name is McGregor.. and I am and have always been proud of it..:)... I actually have Gregories (MacGregors/McGregors essentially) on one side of my family and the McGregors on another.. so being a McGregor is really in my blood! LOL.
I am part of macgregror /Gregory I still proud I am part of some Scotland
How can any of us know? Such hard times to live back then.
Your a legend. Going through your all your videos for the 4th time. Love your accent and the knowledge you have.
Wow! I wish I was making them faster
Thank you so much for all your research and presentation. I am only just starting to research clan his stories. It is just heartbreaking the clans and chieftains and the coercision and oppression that happened to not only the MacGregors but others.
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Love these stories. It all new to me. Every Campbell I met was of a good sort. Related to many a Conway. I did grow up with a family of MacGregor, I even wonder if they knew their own history. America was good to them. As it has been to my family.
Get off the fence ma man😜
@@ScotlandHistoryTours My Mother and her people are Murray's, but they are all from Ireland. All our fences were stole by the Brits.
I Huv a Dirk thirsty for Campbell Sympathy ya wee Dotty!
@@widdershins1796 Ah sure the Campbell's ran my local in Cambridge, the Ancient Druids it was called. They treated me well, even though I was very far from home. I have no issue with the Campbell clan. Good people,excellent hospitality. How do you judge people?
@@steveosullivan5262 it's referred to as "Humor" As yeknow....Scottish Grudges are Famous for going back to the Old days.
Ok. Reading the comments I’m defiantly in hostile territory here. From what I’ve come across that my kinsmen were defiantly players of the great game. The leader at least. I don’t think it was started by them but were defiantly willing to cash in when the opportunity arose. Let rival forces duke it out and clean up at a discount. Now to the bonds: if my countrymen would have stepped in instead of waiting on the sidelines waiting for payday, well things could have been different. Now I’m no scholar I’m just piecing things together from what I know and what I’ve seen growing up as an American Campbell. I have no problem saying if an ancestor was right git or not. It still makes me who I am.
@barry Campbell: Defiantly? Do you mean Definitely?
@@mickeencrua the second term. Though the first does put a villainous spin to it.
knowing a bit about Clan Campbell's tendencies, and with your persuasive words, the idea that they were at the bottom of the situation is very attractive.
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I used to go swimming in Glenn Fruin in my school days...dude I didn't know how much history was around my old stomping ground....love this channel
Every day's a school day
Many of the Macgregors took on the name Murray after they were stripped of their name but most of them never forget their true heritage and switched back once it was permitted.
Indeed
You are proof that the power of history is in the storyteller. Reading Sir Walter Scott's Historical Account of the Clan Macgregor provides the bones of the story, but no blood. Will be back to hear more--my 7th great grandfather John Mack (father having been born Mcgregor) and his wife Mary Inverness both died young in 1627, leaving behind an only son. Wonder now if perhaps their early demise was due to the political upheaval. In any case, thanks-- your telling of the tales belongs on a stage!
I am a Darling with a Campbell great grandmothe of North America. Living on 5 Nations land. thank you for what you do.
I'm English married to a Scottish Lady, (clan Hay) and I find this channel fascinating. Is the world any different today? I don't think it is. I could listen to you all night!!
Stopped at 2.05min: My granfather's clan, is MacGregor. He said to my mother, who told me as a child, "Never trust a Campbell". His name was not MacGregor because of the outlawing of the Clans name. He was a Hunter, they took the name of the maternal side. Eventually moved to Australia around mid 1800's. He also said the family hid Rob Roy at Arbroath Abbey back in the day - Family stories passed down to us in Oz.
MacGregor. Tough clan and were always our friends.
You’re a wonderful storyteller. I’m hooked on your videos and going to send you ko-fe. Many thanks.
Fascinating video!
I'm actually a MacGregor (Daniel Quill is my pen name) and my grandad's grandad's grandad's birth certificate (1800) says 'McGregor or Drummond' - as his dad name is given as John Drummond, presumably his public name (in the same way as Rob Roy chose Campbell after his mum's maiden name) and presumably born before 1774 when the proscription of the name MacGregor was repealed.
Years ago my dad took me to Glen Fruin and to that marker in this video.
I was told that the reason that there were so many Smiths in Scotland is that they are really MacGregors.
From the stories I read as a child, I had always believed that the outlawing of the MacGregors was due to Rob Roy and their part in the 1715 rebellion. Also sometimes erroneously linked to "Bonnie Prince Charlie", long after his death. Obviously, it goes back further than that.
wait wait! wut?
My 2X Great Grandparents were from Sterling Scotland James Halley was a Clan MacGregor member. His wife was a MacDougal. I found this interesting and bet there is more to the story also.
@@jameshalley9763 stirling not sterling
As a descendant from both Campbell and MacGregor, this whole story makes everything a lot more complicated 😅
I and I'm a decent of Robert the Bruce and James the the 6th, get Tae fek you waloper!
I feel sorry for the pair of you🤷🏻♂️
I have to wonder how many people saw or understood your meaning at right about 10:18 in the video. Very subtle and well done..."and the penny dropped" thankyou: Doug. Canada
Aye aye!! I Iove your story telling Andrew. This is my favorite
I can hear my McDonald ancestors whispering in my ear, "it was the Campbells".
If there was any skulduggery in the Highlands, it's a good guess the Campbells were at the bottom of it!!
My Dad told me this account. Sorry! I won’t be inviting you over to my house so don’t worry
Came here to say the same
100 % agree 😂👍
Amen. I'm Clan MacDonald as well. Nothing but spite for the backstabbing Campbells
@@wiseguysoutdoors2954 Your hamburgers suck.
The surname King is a sept of the MacGregor clan. My family is from Ayr and my father said that in his community everyone knew who the "Campbell" was, and shunned them. My mother wouldn't even buy Campbell soup!
Why were they hated so much? From Ireland btw love Scottish history :)
I remember MacGregors in England who would not speak to,or have anything to do with Campbells. That was in the ‘60s ,I wonder if they kept it up ?!
@@CrimeVid when I was in secondary school there was a teacher by name of Mr Campbell. When he found out my father was a McGregor (I have taken my mother's name as I am the last male of the name, so it wasn't common knowledge) he absolutely hated me. The hatred was mutual. This was back between 2002-2007.
- Kyle.
@@geminiii6634 MacGregors held their land by coir a glaive, "right of the sword". They believed that land should be won through battle and held through battle. Mainly, they believed this because nobody could beat them in battle. The Campbells were interested in getting more land and eliminating the threat posed by competitors. At the time, Robert the Bruce, King of the Scots, was doing a rather shady practice of issuing grants for lands that were already inhabited. Rather than battle the MacGregors, which would be suicide, the Campbells bowed to the King, knowing that they would be granted land near Loch Awe and some surrounding lands, which were held by MacGregors. It was basically like a very dastardly and politically motivated sort of land reform. Strong clans were simply unwilling to recognize the authority of a king. Weak clans were willing to collaborate with the king if they were provided these land grants to the lands of stronger clans. The weak clan gets more land, the king effectively has more support, and a strong clan that could put a wrench in the plans of the crown has their lands stripped.
If I may... it's like if you had a really weak, poor neighbor who lives in a mobile home, and you live in a mansion. He always talks about how much he likes your house, but he doesn't want to get a job or go steal a house at gunpoint like the rest of us. This neighbor decides that his best shot at getting more land is to convince authority figures to kick you out. He starts jerking off the mayor once a week. One day, after jerking off the mayor for a few hours, the mayor decides to give the neighbor all of his lawyers and send cops to back him up. They all tell you that you're evicted, and your mansion now belongs to your neighbor, pack your bags or we kill you. That's the Campbells.
Similar thing happened a couple hundred years later, with the Colquhouns. That time, the Colquhouns stood up to MacGregor, but they were brutally defeated in battle. The King sees it, thinks, "hmm, these people will do anything I say, and this is an opportunity to make the barbaric MacGregors less powerful", but that time, he banned the name itself.
@@alliums361 Thank you :))))
Thank you for great videos , you have great charm and the scenery is stunning !
Glad you enjoyed it