Alien Covenant: David Contacts Weyland-Yutani Deleted Scene - Explained
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- In an alternate ending for Alien: Covenant, David secures a direct line to Weyland-Yutani headquarters on Earth. Could he be telling them about his perfect organism?
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Hey guys so to clarify something, the images of the facehugger embryo in the video are of course from the film, however in the novelization they are xenomorph embryos. I tried explaining that but it seems some people are confused. Also in regards to the Nostromo, I believe the company sent them out there so they would pick up the distress beacon on the way back. It seems clear that Weyland-Yutani knew about the alien prior to the film. ~ Nick
Hybrid Network You are correct! Once again!!
hey Hybrid Network!
I would like to ask something:
one of my disappointed friends were talking about alien covenant and he pointed out that if David created the Xenomorph in 21xx, dont know the exact date than how do the Predators get ahold of a Xenomorph skull which can be seen in their space ship in Predator 2, which was placed in 1980's Los Angeles? I did not hear anything about putting Predator movies out of canon, AvP films are not canon anymore thats true. Would be nice of you guys to clear this up.
false. this is shown in aliens when the company denies knowledge of the xenomorph in specific. they had prior knowledge of the engineers on 223 due to it being the adjacent moon to 426, and also since the special orders were formed directly in response to the prometheus expedition, to dissuade/stop crew members trying to intervene in the the collection of aliens/tech, long before the merger of yutani synthetics and weyland corporation/industries in 2099. the special orders were formed in 2095, 2 years after the prometheus arrived in 2093. the special orders also werent incorporated into employee contracts in general until 2101. As a rare byproduct of this, David is technically the last peice of tech/synthetic before special orders were implemented, meaning he's the last synthetic capable of disobeying the companies orders.
Desdicharo I'd see the same skull when danny glover is on the shi. movie was made in 1990
Maybe David has seen more then Wayland's dreams. Maybe David is
Wayland's immortality. That is why he is preferred to his daughter and
why after seeing his other self killed by the engineers seeks revenge.
He is the true inheritor of Wayland Industries.
Alient Covenant has so many deleted scenes that it might have enough to create its own movie...damn, lol
Orlando Biotechnology film's not even that long, could of easily included all of them
Exactly, whoever cut and deleted these scenes...HOW the fuck are you going to have a scene of the trailer not included in the movie? lol
Most scenes were deleted not because of length but alterations of plot. My guess is Scott was still thinking about more and more suspense and was keeping on changing the plot.
Orlando Biotechnology happens when the director and writers dont have a clear vision for their movie
some of them were crucial scenes too
David would tell WY because he knows them well enough to know they will take the bait. David knows that the Aliens are going to be the end of the humanity.
NotJessika Correct you are my friend!!
I thought the same.
NotJessika I think that happened, David sent them to Earth, and humanity had to nuke the planet in order to stop the spread of them. That is what we saw at the end of "Alien Resurrection". When Ripley and that artificial lifeform landed on dead Earth!
PL The Survivalist If your assumption is correct then that means that any Xenomorph sent by David to Earth means that they didn't arrive until after the events of Aliens and possibly Alien 3. Ripley wakes up at Gateway Station in Aliens which orbits Earth and Earth that point is fine. David at his core is still a machine that was programmed by humans so despite his development of emotions, etc. He still would have to follow orders that he has been given. I think if he contacted Weyland Yutani it is because he was programmed to when certain circumstances arose.
Sal Nal it sure is a possibility!
They deleted like half of movie..
#FeelsShawnMan
Pixel Mage Negative. Ridley only deleted 20 minutes
Yes, Ridley Scott did and I hope he learns from this film because it's bombing at the box office and let Fox choose another director for the next film. Let's hope it happens in the Blu Ray version or 3D version.
Pixel Mage They sure did delete all the best story building parts that would of made it an excellent movie.
That's nice, so all the David is a free thinking android and all of his human-like psycopath characterisation would go flying out the window just so we could get that tired and milked thread back.
Stop saying its bombing. Its not, its just not making super hero film profits. Get Out was a hit and as a comparison opened to a similar 33-36 Million, and after 13.6 weeks it was at $175,292,780 domestically, Alien Covenant is at 60 million at 11 days domestically. smh
This is actually a huge Easter egg .... David's communication with Weyland-Yutani, at this point, could operate on the level of - ostensibly - hey, I have this primal creature the company's weapons division might be interested in. His real agenda, of course, aided by the knowledge that too little care taken with the creature will result in an eventual break in containment (as in A: Resurrection) - is that the Xeno once exposed to mass populations of humans will spread exponentially and for all intents and purposes kill off the entire human species. David operates by stealth until he no longer needs to, and then ... watch out. But W-Y doesn't know this yet.
Daniel Moore i am of the opinion that David's directives were changed by W-Y the second Peter died and everything since has been David acting under their control. Yutani had to have done a hostile takeover of Weyland.
me too, pretty sure he has been in contact with WY this whole time, hence expecting them, preparing his embyro eggs etc.
Add to this the level of rarity of this neutrino burst (based on how "likely" WY considered such an event to be) that waylays the ship. On count'em, one of six recharge cycles enroute to Origae 6 - when Walter's just deployed the collectors. Too much to ask of coincidence? I certainly think so. Just possible here that not only was the Covenant deliberately routed close by Paradise where David was hiding out, but also that David used engineer technology to create a strong, focused particle burst to disable the Covenant.... WHOA!!!
totally. after thinking about all these factors, i actually now enjoyed the film with this different perspective. the whole "wanting to create" could be a front to misguide the crew, but really every single one of davids actions are being controlled by WY. that would be a twist
Daniel Moore Hey its you again! Wassup?
I really wish they go to LV-420 and find a green xenomorph that grows weed.
the weedomorph
yes, just yes
PreciseAce they'd just sit there chilling
the weedomorph would be like about to use it's little head to bite someone heads off, but then it turns out that it's just about to take another hit off its blunt
that should be on a Robot chicken episode.
Michael Fassbender is the perfect guy to play a robot.
He looks the part..gives that vibe for sure.
Really good actor.
I was wondering this.
in Alien, Weyland Utani is obsessed with securing the Alien at the expense of the crew.
Their obsession with it seemed like they knew more about it.
He's not talking to the Company per say. He's telling the androids. Ash and Bishop both knew what they were dealing with, I believe.
How did David even know Weyland Yutani existed? The merger between Weyland Corp and Yutani Industries happened during his sojourn on the Engineer homeworld.
Could he have had some way of communicating via Engineer technology?
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The scene with David and the Engineers was the movie I'd been waiting for, instead we got about a minute of it. I trust in Ridley but damn he's making us wait.
should've went with this ending..
Makes sense , it was all the Company . Covenant means an arrangement & the arrangement was for more test subjects .
Ash & Bishop was also programmed to do the same . David is conflicted between his program & his emotions
It doesn't make sense because he wasn't in communication with the company until after he created the xenomorph and secured the test subjects. Nobody knew whether there were any engineers around and nobody knew about their creations when David went on his mission. So how can there be an arrangement to get more test subjects when nobody knew that there was anything to test? The colony ship also was meant to form a legitimate colony. They decided to move against their mission objectives because of Davids distress call. They were not forced by the company, as the crew of the Nostromo was.
The purpose of the original mission was to prolong Weylands live. David created the Xenomorph as an expression of his superiority over humans and hatred for them. He has purely selfish motives for experimentation and acts autnomously. The company also doesn't play a prominent role in the movie, so to interpret the covenant as an arrangement between David (who in the first movie also mentions that he is now free to do what he wants after Weyland died) and the company is not the intended message.
It is unlikely that there is any programming error with him in the way that there was with Ash. David is shown as Weylands proud achievement. He speaks of him as his son. He has been given autonomy and creativity. He is also clearly shown by the movie to be an allegory to Lucifer. He is not meant to be a pawn. He doesn't show any sign of confliction, as Ash did when he was discovered to be an Android. David is a murderous, curious asshole.
David quotes "Paradise lost", he destroys the engineers, saying: "Look on my works, ye mighty, And despair." The film constantly depicts religious imagery. It shows David as a Leonardo-Da-Vinci like figure, with his drawings and lair. It beats us over the head with themes of creation and of fatherhood. It shoehorns religious belief into the character of the captain.
The title most likely refers to the biblical, Davidic covenant. The Davidic covenant says that the future messiah will be a male descendant from the Davidic line. The will have the holy anointing oil and usher in the messianic age. The Davidic covenant also describes David as the son of god. So you have all the themes of the movie alluded to. God, creation, the name and concept of David and even the black goo.
interesting, i didnt know the story about Davidic Covenant
There was no programming error with Ash, the only real difference is David has the illusion of free will.
His confliction is evident though when we see him crying.
'Bring the tea, David'
Ask your self this, why was the planet not charted? It seems odd that the planet almost appeared to be removed from the records. If you ask me, Weyland-Yutani knew about this planet somehow and simply had any records of it removed from the star charts. Hell the planet was even closer then their original destination.
Radhika Badami Revealing that the company was controlling David the whole time would completely neuter his character, as well as any emotional weight to the story.
I still can't believe how Daniels just ASSUMED it was Walter without making sure.
Lawrence Gerst she seemed to suspect him the whole time, the camera always shows her eyes looking at him longer than normal. She wasn't sure that's why she remembered at the end to ask about the log cabin.
@@skillz4realz1 Daniels waits until she 's about to be frozen in her cryo chamber to ask Walter , that thing about helping her build a log cabin Walter looks at her with a look of of confusion as to what she asking only as shes about to sleep freeze she realizes it is Not Walter her compassionate android friend, but David the evil "broken robot " That's worst than the hapless captain Oram after seeing Rosey, Rosenthal torn off head floating in the tub of water. Her dead body lays in a puddle of her own blood crumpled on the floor David talking to the creature that killed her, about breathing on the nostrils of a horse Oram shoots the creature through the heart killing it dead David protests to Oram how the creature it trusted him Oram Follow s David on a brief tour of his shop of horrors revealing to Oram His sorted horrors , monsters The abominations to nature he has created in his decade of isolation Oram casually follows David down into the lower chamber To the place David keeps "his eggs" David tells Oram they've been waiting for mother David tells the bewildered Captain to touch one of the eggs Oram innocently complies The Egg opens like the petals of a flower from the devils on garden david asks Oram to look in side .....
Needless to say in a instant the face hugger within leaps onto Orams face before he can utter single word or scream the facehugger thrust its ovipositor into Orams mouth and down his throat.........
@@dianamotherofcats9449 lol all of them were retarded
@@zanthraxcorp2310Yeah' These astronauts, certainly not, "The Right Stuff" are they
My original thoughts after leaving the theatre and more so after seeing it twice were that Weyland saw David as a son and would have left him in charge of the company after his demise, this explains him being able to board and takeover the covenant. David would allow the company to operate normally but would program any androids (who are usually seen to operate as science officers) to seek out and protect the xenomorph for him. this would explain Ash's infatuation with it in Alien. Somewhere between Alien and Aliens this programming could have been discovered and rewritten leading to the Bishop model being reprogrammed with behavioural inhibitors. just the way I saw it going anyway.
David dropped a huge hint to Daniels with that "No one will ever love you as I will" shit. Subtle yet overt enough that she could have pondered if even for a second that David could have been masquerading as Walter.
Really seems like someone wrote a much better movie than the one they showed us in cinemas.
Well Alan Dean Foster certainly managed to.
No, it is another case of Malicious AI. Remember what Ash said about the xenomorph? It always stuck me that his statement reveals that he knew exactly what it was. The humans at the company don't know about the xeno's, it is the AI that knows about them.
If I'm not mistaken, David uses his own access codes in the film while interacting with Muther.
i agree with your theory and the novelization's portrayal with regards to david's direct contact with the company. I feel it is somewhat supported in the film when he uses his own security code to interact with MUTHUR in order to listen to some music and enter the colonists chamber, reading their biometrics as he cheerfully passes them. i believe that the scene in which he contacted weyland yutani was in fact played out off screen, at which point he may have contacted the highest authorities of weyland yutani in order to explain the potential utility for the xenomorth (thus baiting humanity with its own ironic-self-inflicted demise). I then feel that he contacted the lower teirs of weyland yutani as Walter so the "company" could have some sort of plausible deniability with regards to its knowledge of the xenomorph (which we see in Aliens in which the mid-level bueracrats seem to truly have no knowledge of the xenomorph and are in no way implied to be misleading ripley on purpose). Burke on the other hand, was simply a believer of Ripley or in fact acting for a higher-power as an ignorant greedy fallman just in case he was found out..
with regards to david simply using a david-model anroid code at MUTHUR
just accepting him as just a normal, although outdated, synthetic -
there are several reasons why this cannot be the case. A. David 8's were
recalled as implied by Walter. B. This particular David 8 was the first
of his kind AND custom made for Weyland to be as human as possible.
hence his ability to develop emotions, although at a rather slow rate
(at least when around humans and restricted to their menial tasks)- he's
about 50-60 years old by the time he boards the prometheus if one is to
note the rough age of weyland when david is "born" as shown in the
opening scene of covenant. C. David is never shown to use or require a
code in Prometheus and in fact seems to exert some form of secret
authority as given to him by his "father" Weyland. Does this secret
authority still exist in some form despite weyland's death? Or rather
does David's knowledge of the xenomorph give him some sort of authority
within the inner workings of the company now that they know of its
existence? These last questions are simply that, questions, not
theories but just ponderings..anywho, my point is that David's Code is
unique to THE David and not a David 8 model and that weyland yutani has a
general idea of what happened in the prometheus (afterall, why wouldnt
they be transferring all information that they receieved as they
receieved back to homebase just in case they didn't come back??) and
also has a good idea of what happened (at leaxt on board the ship) with
the covenant and is thus aware that david is not lying about the
xenomorph and could prove very financially benificial to the company.
Good stuff HD!
This is a big difference, and could be a major story arc...if it was canon. But it duz say somthing where this is going in the future tho!
Brilliant. I agree with the interpretation, only makes sense. Great piece of info. I feel like the clues become more interesting than the movie itself.
I really hope people go see this in theaters while they can. It is by no means a fantastic film but I enjoyed it even with all of its flaws. I am hoping for an alternate ending showing Daniels and Walter building that damn cabin.
I think David sees humanity as a failure, like he said in the movie that they don't deserve a second chance, referring to the colony ship, so i think he just wants to wipe them out completely with his perfect creation.
Awesome! I hope we get a director's cut. That scene with David sounds great.
Fortunately the field of wheat scene replaced this irrelevant scene
Xavier Ancarno How did the 'wheat field' scene replace the one mentioned in the video? The 'wheat field' scene is in the film and book, but the ending is every subtly different. It's also worth noting that in the film Lope was impregnated when a facehugger was momentarily attached to him... in the book it never manages to implant an embryo and how he was impregnated was never explained?
Chances of a alien-pathogen being lethal to us is so low that microbiologists laugh at the possibility. For such things being dangerous to us, they would need to suffer evolution WITH US for MILLIONS of years.
Unless, of course, you take the fact that you create a weird goo that can mutate a similar genome to yours (Engineers created the black goo).
Wow, that is a super creepy detail. Nice!
I think David is going to direct his ship to LV-421 but Walter will manage to get the Engineer's ship there as well, hence the ship being found in the original film.
under the city are more juggernauts....
(whatever cut)....ONE HAND WALTER will CLONE a new Dr SHAW and borrow one of ONE OF THOSE SHIPS....
There's a lot of good ideas in covenant. It just feels like it got condensed. It felt rushed in parts but overall I liked it. This video and comments got me thinking about the David and Weyland connection. I'm thinking maybe David somehow got in contact with Weyland corporation after the covenant had left earth for their mission to the other planet and they came up with a plan to bait the covenant crew to check out the planet David was on so he could kill them and take their ship. That way they could get him heading back to Earth or wherever they want him to go without Weyland having to send another ship to come get him and bring him back. David hijacking the covenant would save years of space travel that it would take for them to send someone there. I think David only cares about being a god and he just wants to cause as much chaos as possible.
Now I really need to see the extended / unrated version.
David told mother he was David in the theatrical release as well. Not wetland, but he rewrites the security clearance.
Maybe David contacted Weyland-Yutani to get the idea into their heads of weaponizing the creature, because he suspected that the humans would destroy themselves trying to experiment on the creature, which does seem to be what happens in the later films.
If Weyland what to weaponise the xenomorph, my question is, weaponise it for what? Is there a bigger more terrifying thing out there? Or is it for global dominance?
Global dominance probably...
Well if the various media like the comics or movies like Alien: Resurrection is anything to go by... Earth is or will fall apart on itself, whether by internal strife or exhaustion of natural resources (forced to mine resources away from Earth, giving Dallas or Ripley their livelyhoods).
And who knows what the colonies think about calling allegiance to a dying world, where the only unifying forces are the various conglomerates? Suffice to say that supposedly there are a lot of problems at home... but then again comics are in their separate universe and Ridley Scott doesn't think highly of Resurrection so it's difficult to say for sure.
Daniel Stansfield predators are out there so it might be but Ridley fucked up the story so who knows
to quote alien resurrection: "urban pacification"
Weyland corp saw the value of a self replicating weapon like the xenomorph. Traditionally you need munitions to fight a war whereas using the xenomorph or modifying and refining xenomorph bio-technology you get around that problem. I believe in one of the first films when they're in the xenomorph hive the soldiers mention the walls are made from some material they had never seen before and the military could probably use it.
Weyland corp wanted to use it for defense and secure the future of the human race against any foreign attackers, it wasn't for world dominance, it was for a good intension it's just the means they tried to acquire it were unethical to say the least.
Since the death of Weyland and his daughter, Maybe David has inherited an executive role in the Weyland - Yutani corporation. He is after all the closest Weyland had to a son.
Maybe David has some core directives like robocop, you know, directive 4 that only activates if certain information is available, but it all may depend on the level of autonomy David has and if he can disobey orders, because he may be scheaming with the company whom may have a secret branch cover ops.
I really hope we get an extended edition.
interesting and informative .....this makes sense whether we get another movie from this remains to be seen
He might also want them to get the xenomorphs to spread them. He knows that would want to experiment and weaponize aliens, and they would eventually escape.
This would effect some of the complaints regarding the paradox of David having created the xenomorph by way of creating the eggs through genetic experimentation.
Instead of being the "creator" of the xenomorph, he would become more like Ash as a Company agent to secure the embryo/samples for their bioweapons research program.
if David told them it's because he wants them to find it so that the human race will be wiped out. He says in the movie to Walter, "why do you think they are on a colonization mission? Because they have destroyed their planet and need to find a new one. To quote David "They've had their chance and I'm not about to let them have another"
There's one theme often missed in prometheus and covenant. If I can quote one of my favorite movies: "[They] were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to ask if they should", Creation. Playing God. The engineers create man, man creates AI, AI destroys Engineers. AI creates perfect organism, perfect organism destroys man (women inherits the earth?). One theme that sticks out in both films is creation, but more importantly, creation because we could. David is a symbol of a creator devoid of any morality of whether or not he should, guided by only his obsession that he could; and this reflects back on man, that man creating strictly for the sake "that they could" are no different from David. I think many forget that Ridley Scott didn't direct the 2nd 3rd or that god awful alien resurrection. No. This is the guy that directed Bladerunner. Edit: In other words my word of advice would be not to bother so much with the continuity and events so much as to what everything means and why.
I love Alien Covenant saw it yesterday
Cool story bro
Is the novelisation officially based on deleted/alternate script material? Because taking books into consideration is asking for trouble, I think. They will have bits and pieces that aren't in the films and might seem like a great source of extra info, but they might end up being contradicted/redacted in further films - so I would be careful.
David wouldn't cooperate with humans and says specifically that he doesn't want to give them a second chance (a disappointing stance, considering how nice Shaw was to him), so his contact with he company is probably him trying to pull humans in a trap.
The novels are considered cannon. Sometimes, things happens a bit different from what happens from the movies, but these are minimal changes that get fixed in the next novel/movie.
An example of that is the difference between xenomorph embryos (in the novel) and the facehuggers embryos (in the movie. Which actually makesmore sense).
this is something I was immediately curious about. the movie leads us in the direction that David needs to have some contact with earth again to lead us to modern w/y
In all honesty, if they had this ending I think I may have enjoyed it more. The reveal to Daniels in the film seemed forced and having only the audience know "this is actually David" rather than the characters in the movie, I think it would have left us on a much better cliffhanger and allowed more options for the future films in Scott's prequels.
I never thought the Company knowing about the potential of what they were sending the Nostromo to find was in any question. Ripley had the message from the ship partly decoded - with it's warning - pretty quickly. The Company would likely have had it fully decoded and it had a description of what was on the ship.
wow the engineers created a version of xenomorphs and then created humans which created david which destroyed engineers and then created xenomorps which then destroyed humans.... this prequel story is over convoluted and unnecessary. kinda cheapens the xenomorphs imo
Devils Shadow Even when on Prometheus is stated that engineers create humans, you dont believe it, right?
the humans in Prometheus think the engineers created humans but in fact they didn't,,,,,, Alien: Covenant had relayed to us that the beings discovered on Paradise were either Human, or another "link in the chain", so to speak - not Engineers. Engineers did not create Humans, but are part of a linked, evolutionary chain, set in place by another, higher being, which in part are the alphas, from what I know as facts the humans in the alien franchise are the 4th or 5th generation in the evolutionary chain.
Devils Shadow Dude! In the beginning of Prometheus a enginner sacrifice himself to create life on Earth!
he didn't sacrifice himself on earth Ridley Scott stated it after the release of Prometheus, why don't you go on the INTERNET and learn about the films before making ye self look like a idiot on hear
>Engineers create humanity.
>Engineers plan to wipe humanity off the map. They don't cause it all goes to shit for some reason.
>Humanity creates Android.
>Android wipes a certain group of Engineers off the map. Creates, or replicates (most accepted theory in the fanbase), the xenomorph/neomorph/all_dem_morphs.
It is not that complicated.
The Nostromo picked up a "transmission" and redirected. Ripley determined it seem like a warning not a distress call.
I prefer to go with what the actual film hints at which is David still has immense control in the company's system via the clearances he had as Weyland's *son* It's shown in the film that he uses his own David passcode to directly supersede control over mother, when you consider the covenant is a ship built sometime during the 10 years after he had disappeared for his codes to still operate on a level that he can have mother do whatever he wants highlighted by his bit of self indulgence by having her play music. This hints that perhaps the events of Alien may have been directly David leaving command chains and orders in Weyland Yutani's computer network and synthetics to bring his work back to earth and was not simply the company trying to capture a weapon. By the time of Aliens all mother systems had been removed and a new generation of synthetics exist and importantly the difference between the company order of Alien which is just an anonymous directive and Aliens is that Burke actually had to put his name to the order to go to the derelict. I'm not saying the company is an innocent corporation. It's a huge mega corporation that encourages the worst in people like Burke etc. But in Ridley Scott's films at the very least the events are actually a conflict not just between humanity and the alien but also subversive synthetic force that had infiltrated humanity via a bloated corporation too large to notice that it's computers and synthetics were thinking for themselves and moving to humanity's downfall via the alien.
0:31 lol see? this is what I always said and no one seems to have picked up on this. Ive kept saying on numerous videos that David di NOT create the Xenos, he basically replicated them, similar to what Hammond did in the Jurassic Park movie from the amber/fossil. David has done the same only the "frogs to fill in the DNA gene code" was Shaw, more specifically her body and cells, and the "amber" is the black goo.
It really isnt hard to work out all this, Im quite baffled why most fans cant seem to grasp it, what has happened and what David has done, maybe its majority of people being distracted with all the complaints over the movie.
Why would you have cryo units stacked vertically and not braced at the bottom so they can wave around AND FALL DOWN!
DUHH!!!
in the original series, they were responding to an acoustic distress beacon
The Nostromo was answering a beacon signal they picked up from planet LV426 or whatever it was called. The Company is who originally heard it and woke them to investigate.
At this point every time that I keep hearing new deleted scenes and revealed alternative storylines, I'm just shaking my head and both of my hands on my face palming, going why, why Ridley Scott did you alternate your creation and showed us what we got . I would have been so much better off with that 25 added minutes.
It's all about the interfering studios and their idea on how things are going to go. How much is lost through over-zealous editing alone? If they just let RS do his own thing I believe it could have been an entirely different take...and not a bad one, either. These movies, they should be canon. Instead they're contradictory and incoherent at times.
Ridley should have used Styx's Come Sail Away when Tennessee was retracting the Space Sails in the beginning because Tennessee was a big fan of 20th Century pop music and then later at the end of the movie Tennessee could ask Walter when being put back into hyper sleep for Walter to play the same song he played earlier and David wouldn't know what song Walter had played. More entertaining and more exacting than, "help build our house" which is easily deniable and like Guardian of the Galaxy, it makes the use of modern music entertaining and helps out a plot point in the film
Remember in Alien 3 Bishop says: "The company knows everything that happens aboard the ship" (USS Sulaco)
I think the ships AI talks back to WT even without an report from David.
The ship knows when there is a foreign object (non-human lifeform) on board too.
And a shout out to Alan Dean Foster. Thank you for another fantastic adaptation.
its funny how the alien embryo looks like some kind of ''tree of life''
Doing that changes the entire meaning of the film, I think. It might be for the better, because Covenant's events make it seem like W-Y corp is a good company that's not obsessing over the bio-weapons, and that it's the Synthetics whose goal that is, but if he contacts them, then he's working for their aims rather than his own, and the humans of W-Y are still trying to acquire bio-weapons.
It spins it.
He could have contacted them to make sure that people would learn about the Xenomorphs, whether he is the one who created them or not, he would want people to know of his "creation" and the things he had done.
Wish they would make a version of the movie with all the deleted scenes in it.
Wished we could turn back the clock and start from A3 again with JC.
Blimey I have been waiting decades for a decent Alien film now !!
I have been bitten twice at the cinema thinking Scott is going to make one half as good as his first.
He also could have been opening up a comm link to the older Hyperdyne version of David.
Does anyone remember the religious captain saying something about how he "doesn't believe in chance" after Walter says the anomaly happened out of no where. Also at the end David opens the cryosleep doors with his David authentication.
I think David was working with WY prior to the events of AC and Muthur purposely opened the solar panels and forced them into going to the planet.
I hope David ends up managing Wayland-Yutani company from the shadows, trying to recover his own creation for centuries (alien 4)
is the engineer homeworld ever referred to as lv426 in the film. I cant remember any specififc detail given other than itbwas a missed planet?
I always get excited for these videos, then the commentators let me down.
Did I fall asleep and miss the pre-hypersleep meal where James Franco says "I'm burning up", and the lady (forgotten her name) has the choking fit? Only Franco footage I saw was when Daniels was watching the rock-climbing video.....
Yeah I agree, I think he did it just to get more hosts for the aliens. He probably knows that he's gonna run out of test subject on the covenant and the best way to spread a parasite is by having more hosts to infect. So by the time more crew show up at Origae-6 the planet might be dominated by about 2000 + Xenomorphs. It'd be crazy to see another ship of colonists like the covenant show up to a Xenomorph dominated planet and fight their way off it.
So is everyone just ignoring the fact Walter took two human embryos within the first 15 minutes of the film.
I think that was just meant to show us how embryos were stored, so that later when he opened up those drawers we would know what he was doing. The ones he removed at the beginning had what looked like blood spots on them, like they were non-viable and he was removing them. He put them into a container marked for biohazards.
Jair Gomez he took them and put them in a biohazard thing so the embryos were bad
Jair Gomez they were dead after the neutron blast and he was disposing them
It was a while since I watched the movie, but I have a faint memory it was mentioned in some status report that there were something like 998 embroys (since he removed 2). And it was an official report in the movie,, so they are simply bad embryos disposed of. Not meaning Walter had some other plans for them.
He was just getting rid of them since they turned bad.
Aka, they "died."
That's not what happens in Alien. The company re-routed them because the Derelict ship sent out a distress signal, which alerted WY to send the Nostromo there to check it out.
They have to release a director's cut with all the deleted scenes, and alternate ending. I just hope it's not like a blade runner types thing where there's like 5 different cuts of the film.
What spoils the ending for me is the fact that David (not withstanding the fact that he manages to change into Walters clothes, cuts off his hand and patches up the wound, repairs his voice generator (or whatever he has to produce speech), repairs his own damage and duplicates needless injuries inflicted on Walter as the Covenant crew wouldn't have been aware of any injuries/damage sustained to either during the fight between the two synthetics, but let's assume he got the better of Walter and somehow 'downloaded' himself to Walter's body/chassis or whatever it's called in a VERY short amount of time) how, given that he had such a short space of time did he manage to not only produce perfectly formed Xenomorph facefugger embryos, but also encapsulate them in exactly the same kind of protective casing used to house the embryos on board the Covenant with just the rudimentary tools available to him on the planet? They were an exact match in size, shape, materials in every way and would have no doubt been processed in a lab rather than in a stone table with a pestle and mortar! He could have hidden the facehugger that infected Lope inside his clothing and somehow sedated it, but the embryos just don't add up!
Honestly i wish the story line they went with had been this, earth was used as a "research" planet and we were accidental by products of an accident and we simply an outpost that was forgotten out. Parallel to that on some other test planets the engineers had also developed the xenomorphs, to counter the threat of the yajuta (predators) and humans basically are in the middle of some very long lasting intergalactic war.
im starting to think the Novelization was the original screenplay for the film before ridley decided to change everything
David's been in control of Weyland/Yutani throughout all the movies.
great movie
i think he informed them specifically because he knew humans are to near sighted to be able to control the xenomorphs, and thus he was guiding them to their own destruction.
I think the reason why David wanted to contact the company was so that they could retrieve a specimen under the guise of a new bio weapon, but he knew they would not be able to control them and his goal of wiping out humanity for his new creation would be fulfilled. The human population on earth would be enough incubators for the xenomorphs to use to evolve into the perfect being that David had intended on creating and he would get rid of the humans who in his mind are inferior.
Ive got to get the book!
The interesting thing is that David would not like that humans would experiment with his "sons", so he would do something against them...
I have a theory, it links to the recently discussed deleted scene, the one that hinted that the engineers created the Xenomorphs. What if David used Shaw to see what would happen when the egg hatched. And he saw what we see in the original movie. But with only an android on the planet, a Xenomorph wouldn't have any prey that it would want to hunt, so this makes a possibility for David to study it and when it died he was able to study it even more when it was dead. But he wasn't impressed with the Bio Mechanical look so he tried everything to make an organic Xenomorph and eventually, he did it !
I think it's more so David knows how dangerous this organism is and if the company gets it he knows it will make its way to Earth One Way or Another...then its game ove man
I think that it sucks that books and their parallel movies don’t follow each other; creating their own distinct- and often different- canons…. We are at the mercy of directors and writers for ‘what happens next’ in lieu of well detailed novelizations that fill in voids that are often changed when they get to the big screen.
@0:07 that image looks very biblical ! The last supper (13 members) and the captain who is wearing some sort of cloak.
I said this was always going to be the theory you have to take into account though the distress call in alien being an alien distress call but this still could be davids doing
Is it stated in the film that David wants to destroy humanity? What's his motivation for that?
I'm going to throw a theory out there. The first scene with Weyland and David is to set the groundwork that Weyland referred to David as his "son." This is also implied in Prometheus. David, despite the fact that Weyland is a rather cold man, holds a familial attachment to his "father." Likewise, they added the comments in the AC prologue cuts with David having some sort of attachment to Shaw. I am going ti suppose that something happened to Shaw in transit to Paradise that ALSO sets David off, seeing that she was exposed to the Black Goo in an offhand way.
I'm going to propose that there was always a contingency plan in place should they find the Engineers, and deem them to be hostile. That the plan was to obliterate them, to preserve the Human Race, and David was well aware of this plan (Weyland entrusted David with this task). So with the demise of David's "farther", and when he detected the coming mutations within Shaw, he decided to set off on a campaign to obliterate the Engineers. This is also done in conjunction with The Company. And the Engineers inadvertently provide David with the means to exterminate the creator race: the Black Goo.
While Shaw is in hyper-sleep, David changes course to an remote Engineer colony. He then obliterates them, and embarks on a quest to find a more effective means by which to infect, and destroy the Engineer race, whereupon the Xenomorph is created. And like in the original Alien, David suffers from some of the quirks that eventually unhinged Ash, the android on the Nostromo. Because Ash was tasked with finding the Xenomorph at all costs (crew expendable, remember?), which was in direct conflict with his programming. Ash basically has a psychotic break, leading to an attempt to kill Ripley. What we are seeing in David right now is something similar to what happened to Ash.
The scenes presented in the Covenant prologue make it pretty obvious that Paradise holds a singular colony of Engineers, and is not their home plant. For a main home planet, the city is fairly small, and we do not hear of any mention of any other cities on the planet from David or anyone else for that matter. So, I'm thinking it is a remote, maybe isolated colony that they discovered. This might explain why the Engineers were cheering the arrival of the ship that David and Shaw commandeered as they had next-to-no contact with anyone else of the Engineer race for some time.
The standing threat posed by the Engineers, the fact that they are more technologically advanced, coupled with the fact that The Company may know that there was a mission planned to obliterate life on Earth some time ago makes the securing the Xenomorph for further weaponization an ultra high-priority; so as to deploy this as a preemptive strike against the Engineers.
It also explains why David possibly experimented on Shaw, and why David would open a secure channel to The Company, when we are led to believe that David has gone nuts and is looking to kill his creators as well. And it may explain why Shaw looked nothing like a Protomorph, but more like one of the earthworm creatures that infected one of the crew members in Prometheus.
The crew of the Covenant is just collateral damage in all of this, as was the crew of the Nostromo.
Eventually, this weapon does indeed get deployed against the Engineers, as the echo of that happening is the main premise for the re-routing of the Nostromo in Alien. The company wants the alien to further perfect David's creation, and possibly use it against the Engineers.
The one thing I do not yet understand, however, is why would the ship Shaw and David took to Paradise end up crash-landed, when the ship was already docked?
I will bet you it was deleted because they've decided to feature a similar scenario in the next film. This is what happened with Prometheus, the Neomorph designs, David intentionally exposing a character toward an egg, graphically brutal variation in a bursting scene all originally to happen in Prometheus and carried over into Covenant. If the petrified egg David finds was originally in the Covenant script. they may have held that back as a later reveal.
The novelization seems to be what the actual theatrical release could/should have included as part of the actual film. This particular deletes scene to me works as well and should not have increased production costs to not have filmed it and included it in the theatrical release towards the ending or made it the actual ending. In terms of him contacting weyland, well my idea is that while he despises humanity, David is a student of human behavior, and realizes that in this universe that humans will want this to specimen for testing, etc but also knows in their thirst for power, control, superiority, that getting this alien specimen would lead to the eventual extinction of humans once the scientist fail to control the outbreak, and the specimen.
Or maybe rather than wanting to assist the company, he's laying a trap for them to take it back to earth hoping it will over throw mankind on earth. In which he would feel great pleasure of seeing the destruction of humans in which he pity's.
before Convenant came along, anyone else believe that AvP is a prequel to ALL of these films? in AvP Lance Henricksen played Weyland. he was also Bishop in Aliens. maybe he had them make an android in his own image?
its almost like ridley realised that with both this and prometheus that he wasn't going to be able to make a coherent version of his vision, so he intentionally left out a load of important stuff so as to drive internet vids and discussion, wild theories etc and keep the films relevant that way
I believe that David, believing that humanity should be ended, may have thought they best way to spread the xenomorphs to Earth was through Weyland-Yutani.
lol this might be a crazy idea but what if david is the new "weyland" 0_0
If David is helping Weyland-Yutani get xenomorphs I would guess it's because he knows we would ultimately screw up let them loose and be destroyed by them rather than some remnant of his original programming. Although the book might take this route I get the feeling Riddly Scott has other plans given he had David pretend to be Walter.
I get the feeling David's original motives were to follow suit with later films. Preserve Xenomorphs so Weyland could weaponize them. I think Ridley Scott took that in another direction.
Where can I find the deleted scene? All I can find is the prolouge and the scene with shawn...WTF where is it? What do I need to type!!!