Training discussion with "Lover of Mountains" Kilian Jornet
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- He is an undisputed endurance legend, and arguably the GOAT in all things intensely vertically challenging and long in distance. Kilian Jornet gave me an hour of his valuable time to chat about endurance training and his approach to it for the short (3-4h) and long (19-21h) events that he still dominates after many years at the top.
Stephen Seiler meeting Kilian Jornet, what more could we ask for :D
A big thank you to Stephen and Kilian for sharing. I love the comments on how to judge your training and racing by self assessment based on experience.
Fascinating thanks! His understanding of training is incredible and both of you are so good at communicating it. He is clearly an exceptional athlete but also a man with deep analytical reasoning. The long term view on training is particularly fascinating. I heard Kristian Blumenfeldt (NO too) make a similar point: "Injury prevention and consistency is key, because there is no single key session".
Great interview. Thanks. FUNdamental.
Great to hear Kilian confirm the 2, max 3 hard sessions and only towards races. I started to train differently now, lots of zone 2, as much as time allows and polarizing towards competition.. Doing the same track, I can already see slight improvement in 2 weeks while aiming for the same HR. I'll save the HIIT for the 2 weeks before racing.
Well, that was brilliant. In the end it seems to come down basics - train the sports you love on a regular basis and the success will come. Yeah, it's a fascinating, sometimes confounding, multi-faceted process, but you two guys managed to put it across so well. 😀🇳🇴
epic talk. training with no food and just drinking stream water, yep. love the simplicity
Loved this, thanks! Made me decide to drop the VO2max intervals before the next marathon build block altogether and focus on easy volume more.
Great you got him on, one of the great minds and champions out there, amazing to hear about the adaptations for altitude and how people try to simply if they adapt to altitude or not based on blood only. 😊
Absolutely amazing. A dream come true. Two great minds discussing and giving invaluable insight about human physiology, performance and sport. This is gold. And it's for free! 😃. Thaaanks a lot to you both. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Moltes gràcies
Really looking forward to listening to this one! Thank you Dr. Seiler! I really enjoy learning from you. Your work and sharing is very, very appreciated. Thanks again!
Really cool & very interesting interview!
Thank you so much for taking the time to share gems of knowledge just for the love of sports.
I especially appreciate the strategic choices to push back life stressors.
On a more personal side of things I am wondering how the volume and accumulation of time training translates for amateurs/AGers. I cannot do 10h a week of endurance + strength + one VO2Max session once in a while… so I allocate a bit more toward HIT to feel race intensity and hope for physiological gains… still a conundrum for me to find the right blend. This quest is interesting though ;)
Another fantastic interview Stephen, super motivating. Thank you so much. 👍👍👍🚴♂️🏃♂️🇦🇺😁
Oh wow, looking forward to listening to this one!
Totally agree with Kilian's ideas on metabolic flexibility. I often go on morning rides of 3 to 4 hours without breakfast. Friends think I'm crazy but I actually feel more functional and less sluggish.
I, too, am a metabolic flexibility adherent. I do almost every run outside of a “race specific block” fasted and all the easy runs inside the race specific block are fasted. I’ll even end a day of fasting with a workout to really force the body into the fat burn. Totally tracking you here.
Same here. It's what you've eaten in the previous days that matters. I've started to do a high protein keto style diet 5 days a week then 2 days high carb around my harder days. I always feel best the day before a carb load but I always panic! 😂. My resting HR comes down and HRV goes up when I'm keto! I just recover much better without carbs.
Leaving a like and a comment before watching. So excited for this. Thank you Dr. Seiler!
So much experience and knowledge and hard work and scientific curiosity and only one conclusion: love matters most. Thank you both.
Great interview. Good job.
Brilliant. Thank you for sharing! 🙏
Loving these interviews you are doing! -
Is it me, or has killian been on a interview binge lately? This is like the 3rd one this month he did. Good stuff
I've probably seen more interviews of him in the last year or two then in 10 years before lol.
Maybe the launch of his company demands it, or maybe fatherhood(and his new schedule) just mellowed him out a bit.
Just in time for the funeral. Thanks for uploading this.
Very interesting. Thanks to you both.
Great talk, thanks a lot :)
Would love to watch that follow up about breathing and whatever else. Great talk!
92 VO2 max is INSANE 😮😮😮😮
when Stephen is checking his notes at 39:42, Kilian checks his instagram :D
Could you please advise the best method to self-assess my aerobic and/or anaerobic threshold? I need to set my zones properly.
2 endurance legends thank you. Dr Seiler - since being low carb high fat to increase metabolic flex, my aerobic/Z2 HR has jumped by 10bps. Can you explain why please? Fat required more oxygen? Does this make it more or less efficient than carbs?
One GUESS is that you have made some fundamental changes in your intensity distribution and your entire HR range has expanded. I have athletes tell me that when they started getting their balance right on intensity and recovering, their maximal HR went UP. So, this could also result in higher sub max values, even though you feel fitter and better. The difference in metabolic efficiency breaking down fat and CHO is not large enough to explain a 10 bpm increase in HR at a given workload.
@@sportscientist Thanks so much for the reply. Your approach led me to a complete training overhaul. And recently I've been largely (80-90%) focused just beneath LT1. Gradually increasing power (bike) and lowering cardiac drift. Then, I started listening to guys like Kilian and Zach Bitter and went low carb. As I said, my HR (at the same pre LCHF pace) jumped considerably BUT (and I failed to menion this) my cardiac drift dropped substantially. And in fact, at the same pre LCHF power, I have been able to maintain a steady HR for almost double the length of time. I was thinking of dropping the power to beneath what I had thought was my LT1 HR. But I think I'll just crack on with the same power, accept a higher HR and assume I am below LT1 still. And it will be interesting to see if my HR has increased when I next take on an all-effort workout. Thanks for all the free help you give us all...!
I've had a huge bump also. Especially at my max heartrate. Training a littlebit less and doing only one fast, one long and rest easy / week has been the key for me. I think I was overtrained and for that reason my max HR was 15 bpm lower then it is now.
It's the opposite for me, when I'm keto and fasted my z2 HR is lower for the same power on a bike.
Dr. Tim Podlogar is going to have a headache after hearing this interview.. Carbs carbs cabs
In your interview with Nils Van der Poel, he said that it's the specific, HIT training that's more important success rather than the early season base building. Here, it seems that Kilian is saying the opposite. Can you make sense of these two seemingly contradictory ideas?
I am not Stephen, but it’s likely because Kilian’s competitions are so long in duration and therefore are at a relatively low percentage of his vo2 max so his ‘top end’ aerobic endurance is not that important. This is quite opposite to Niels whose competitions are much shorter in duration but at a much higher intensity
Interesting enigma: the romantic scientist :-)
What devices can be used for measuring what rate of fat/carbs are we burning?
Pretty sure you'd need to go to a lab treadmill test to give you that kind of info.
Very interesting conversation, thanks! Are you going to be working together?
We are working on a project related to quantifying ventilation in the field during training with a new wearable, so that will be interesting to get Kilian's unique insights there.
Thanks Stephen, hush hush, I won't tell a soul.
4375 views for something better than a ted talks
Killian never talks about the fat adaption in deep. Is he doing the fasted training? Is he on the ketosis?
My impression is that he is not doing any very specific dietary strategy to emphasize fat intake. He is a vegetarian though.
great interview! thanks a lot