A MUST Play SNES RPG | Secret of Evermore
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2023
- Secret of Evermore is definitely a surprisingly great oddity when it comes to the incredible library of the Super Nintendo...but should you play it in 2023? Let's find out in today's video.
#secretofevermore #nintendo #rpg - Hry
Honestly, it kinda _was_ an indie game. Our team was mostly composed of fresh faces. Our VP of development, Doug Smith of Lode Runner fame, had talked to one of the high-ups at Square Japan at a conference and convinced him to hire him and a team of new people to make a game set in the west in the style of Mana.
It was an experiment, so he didn't get much budget and mostly hired fresh faces with little to no industry experience. For instance, I was fresh out of college with only some shareware success and bare-metal programming to my name, and I got hired as the _lead programmer,_ which just seems insane in retrospect. Similarly, Jeremy Soule was still an unknown _teenager_ when we hired him after hearing his very-impressive demo tapes. Indeed, all but one of the programmers was in their first game industry job, and the one was only on his second job. To his credit, Doug was pretty good at spotting diamonds in the rough and a lot of us went on to be sought-after talent and even a few major industry players like Jeremy. I'm often amazed when I look at our diaspora in retrospect.
Also, Square Japan funded the team, but didn't lend any of its own talent, physical/creative assets, or source code to us, nor did they offer much in the way of direction, criticism, or encouragement. Doug told me this was likely because it was common in Japanese companies not to get involved in a project's success or failure unless you were sure of either outcome. We were kinda like an indie studio with a hesitant angel investor/publisher of the highest caliber who lent us a section of its warehouse to work in.
And I'm grateful for that. I'm not sure there's a better way to enter the industry. We had to prove ourselves, but not while struggling to keep the lights on. Indie success stories like Celeste are amazing, but you know there had to be a lot of stress before things panned out.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear you liked it. Our reception at the time was pretty mixed and it's always gratifying to hear someone speak well of it years later. Thanks!
I was still a kid so I don't know how marketed it was and didn't even think about whether it was widely released or who it was made by, but I only came across it because a friend had it in a big stash of games and I don't actually known anyone else who played it or had heard of it. Still remember it among all the big ones and it's all good memories!
Evermore is so much better than Mana! Kudos to all who developed Evermore!
I’ve always loved Secret of Evermore since I played it back in the 90’s.
Your efforts have definitely paid off. I’m very thankful for the work you and the rest of the team did. The game is one of my favourite games of all time.
And I was about 22 years old when I first played it, so this is not coming from the nostalgic views of a child in the 90’s, I was a young adult that had played Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Link to the Past and Secret of Mana. I knew what great games were and, for me, Evermore was right there on the same level as those.
I could never understand the criticism of those who compare it unfavourably to Mana just because it has a similar layout and gameplay style. They are totally different experiences in the end.
And this was one of the very few rpg games that, like Earthbound, was not set in the usual medieval fantasy world, but in a very creative sci-fi world. An extremely interesting, very atmospheric, amazingly creative and funny game, and, for me, one of the very best games of the 16bit era and of my life.
Thanks again, mate!
@@Nomadic-NerdsI prefer not to compare. I love both games, in retrospect. Mana was just plain magical when I took it home from the office to play through it and learn what sort of gameplay we were aiming for. Square Japan had really hit its stride by then and was producing respectably low levels of jankiness in its SNES titles and I had a great time playing it. It was meant to be, and was, very inspirational for me. We stood on the shoulders of giants, as the saying goes.
@@lehanderjau6269 Ah, you were almost my contemporary. I was ... hmm ... aged 24 through 27, I think, when I worked for Square. I had about five years on you. But you would have played Evermore at almost the same age I played Mana. Early to mid 20's are still formative years; your brain doesn't finish its structural development until age 25 or 26, I gather. I wonder if that's why we both had a strong reaction to a "Secret of" game around the same age. 🙂
It's actually amazing how I can start up Mana these days and the perky countryside music begins and I'm _right_ back there in my office chair, plugging it in for the first time, while my new boss, Doug Smith, stands to my left and tells me to play through it over the weekend. I can almost smell that subtle "office" scent, all plastic, MDF, and Formica, plus the weird hint of ¿ozone? you can get off of a CRT TV.
Yet I can seldom remember why I've come to the kitchen... 🙄
Anyway, thanks for your perspective. It's indeed a little different from most I've heard, which are usually people who played it as kids or discovered it recently as young adults sampling older fare. I'm glad you got something out of our little project. 🙂
Secret of Evermore is a game I keep coming back to. Love this game.
Same here, man. Every few years, I'll end up booting it back up. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
A buddy of mine rented this game once and I loved it so much that it was one of the first games that I bought with my own (allowance) money. This was super expensive at around $80 USD. I was 15, so that was a metric ton of money, but boy, was it worth it. It's still one of my favorite SNES RPGs and arguably *one* of the best OSTs on the console. Jeremy Soule later went on to score the Elder Scroll series. I still occasionally go back to this game from time to time, and constantly have the OST in my music rotation.
I do remember buying games back then with my own money as a kid. Such a solid feeling of accomplishment when you were able to walk into a store and buy a game yourself. Especially one like Evermore where you get so much gameplay.
And yes, the OST is still one of my favorites by far. Definitely feels modern with the whole Lo-fi craze as of late.
The ambience, music and atmosphere in this game is amazing. It puts you in another world and mood.
Hall of Colossia is one of my favorite tunes from any game
It's so beautiful :O
Same here.
I can still hear the soundtrack in my mind after all these years. Absolutely adore this game.
I enjoyed the unexpected cameo by Cecil & Rosa from FF III at the end
I totally loved this game as a kid, especially with how similar it was to Secret of Mana (one of my absolute favorite RPGs). I had a blast replaying Evermore a few years ago, and it brought back a lot of fond memories. Definitely a worthy playthrough.
That said, it does have a few flaws which can understandably deter players. The hit detection is terrible at times, the trading game in the market is rushed and not particularly intuitive for a first time player (especially if you haven't brought along extra key items from earlier), a few of the puzzles can be downright frustrating, and both the dungeon area and pyramid have well-known bugs that can softlock the game. Most memorably for me, the dog has a tendency to get fixated on sniffing out items which simply aren't there, leading one to think they're missing an item, then spending forever trying to find it (I'm someone that searches out absolutely every item possible).
This game probably deserves more praise then it usually gets, but it definitely isn't for everyone.
> _"and both the dungeon area and pyramid have well-known bugs that can softlock the game"_
Sorry about that. 😬 We probably shaved off months or years of our lives during the final days/nights trying to get those areas working right under all conditions, and I think we'd all depleted our batteries to the point where we just weren't up to the task.
For what it's worth, it was actually much, _much,_ worse a few weeks before submission. We only had, like, 3 or 4 QA guys, and I think they were run ragged by testing those areas. We ought to have had twice as many people, because we shipped thinking we'd gotten pretty much all of the gotchas fixed and then found out there were still multiple ways to bone yourself.
We were very, _very_ tired, okay? 😅 It'd been weeks of going home at 2-3am and coming back at 9-10am, 7 days a week, because we had to make a manufacturing window for the xmas rush. Crunch is _bad,_ mmmkay? Young people are stupid to put up with it but they still do. The industry really needs to unionize or games will keep coming out buggy because management abuses the workers and the workers lose morale, drive, and their desire for excellence, sigh.
I had this as a kid, I forget how I got it but I remember being way too young to be able to understand any of the mechanics... but I loved playing it for a few every now an then just to listen to the music
I was so pumped as a kid to see this at our local Phar-Mor for $5. Wasn't so pumped getting to that part of the game where you can get stuck and have to completely start over. I remember calling the Nintendo Hotline and the recording said if you'd try to complete this puzzle in a certain way and the game was then saved there was nothing to be done and you'd have to restart your adventure. I believe it was inside the pyramid. Sunken bridge that won't rise up again or something.
Anyways, would be very cool to see some kind of remake though I highly doubt they would see it as a profitable endeavor. Will just have to bust out the Snezz I guess.
Lol, yep that area was where I quit the game for a while as a kid, and then came back to it like a year later. This game and Lufia 2 had some of the hardest puzzles for me when I was younger.
And yea, they probably wouldn't see it as profitable, but when they remade LiveAlive, it gave me hope for it.
Awww that sucks. I guess I got lucky and didn't get stuck.
Also a squaresoft game Final fantasy Adventure you can run out of key sof something and soft lock right nearing the last 3/4 of the game or something.
As a kid I always loved getting the spear up to level 2 and throwing it at those jerky mosquitoes for the squishy splatter sound effect. And seeing the robot version of your dog pop out toast from the slot in his back. 😄
Lol, that's awesome. The "squish" was always one of my favorites, too. Bring back toaster dog, SquareEnix.
I bought this game on a whim back in 1996. I loved Secret of Mana, so I thought this was a sequel to it.
I enjoyed the game and eventually ended up beating it, but never put as much time into it as Mana or any of the other classic SNES RPG's.
I only beat Evermore once, but the music and atmosphere of the game were great and will sometimes randomly pop in my head. It actually just happened earlier today and that's how I came across your video. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
I love this game so much. I just finished another playthrough last night. It took a bit longer than usual because I'd stop in multiple areas and just let the music play.
Thanks for this nice video about such an overlooked gem!
Oh yea, the music is definitely a huge highlight for me. I'll start up a play through every couple of years, it's just so replayable. I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching.
The ambient sounds are so good, just listen to Nobilia square: wind blowing over tiles, distant sounds from the market, and birds chirping. It all has a slight reverb because you're in an open square surrounded by buildings. The forest is another good one.
The ambient sounds are one of my favorite things about it. It has a super calming effect that fits in so well with the world. It's one of the main reasons why I keep coming back to the game.
One of the best imo, playing it again for the first time in years right now on the steam deck. A true gem
earned a sub man cant believe you only got 100 subs
coming back in a year to see how big this channel gets
Thank you so much for the support! And that's super nice of you to say. So hey, I'll see you back here in a year, and hopefully I won't disappoint.
Dude your videos are so chill and your voice so smooth they should count as asmr
Haha, thank you! I actually still cringe when I hear my own voice played back while editing, but I really do appreciate you saying that.
Tough but incredible game. I got stuck as a kid and needed older brothers help to beat it.
Haha, those were the best times though! I had to get my older brother to help out a lot, too.
Love the name by the way! Been on a X-Files kick lately, on season 5 now.
Those raptors man. They are in every age. Right when your comfortable BAM raptors!
Lotta good memories with the galaxy s6. This channel's a hidden gem.
Same here...same here. But hey, the Galaxy s6 is in a better place now. And thank you!
I love this game, it's so unique. I've always wanted a sequel to this one that uses the same style and gameplay.
A sequel would be really interesting, maybe something based in a completely different world.
@@gabegoforth a sequel could involve gameplay in the real world as well the virtual world. It has a lot of potential, and with today's processing power the worlds can be huge with even more depth while maintaining the original aesthetic. Building on what makes the original so great.
As someone who owned the cart back in the day, I would never call Dr. Ruffleburg's experiment a must play myself. It's fun and interesting at times, but it is a slog at times too, with a fondness for mazes that can easily confuse the player, and an endgame that is just this side of weird incomprehensibility.
The Alchemy system is a GREAT take on the magic systems of other games, sort of like the Ultima Games(Which I wouldn't play until decades later myself), but more user friendly. However, by their nature they required a grind to get a spell up, and most 'zones' of the world had spells that their merchants favored.
The Bazaar is an inspired, interesting way to do an item trading system. It also is broken as heck at times, as about half the items don't do what they claim, or are always in effect so it makes no difference.
The combat is FANTASTIC, with a push and pull you won't see in any other game thanks to the way the stamina bar works. But it also has some real down turns, and since each weapon requires its own leveling, you'll either have to grind each time, or just ignore half of them, which since each weapon type comes with its own unique Level 3 you might never see it, especially in the Axe category thanks to how soon after you get all four axes you'll get the spears, which have a longer reach, and all but one does more damage.
I'm a fan of almost everything I mentioned, and the Player2/Dog being overpowered was great, honestly, as it turned what could have been an annoying videogame helper into an actual help in some combats.
That being said, you will wind up with a bad taste in your mouth at the end, as the final boss/zone is kind of a wash, obviously rushed too, and the ending itself is weird in its tonality, trying to be melancholy and meaningful...in a game that has the lead constantly quip at people, and quote really bad b-movies(Mars Needs Lumberjacks has stayed with me for years now).
My favorite games tend to be games that you are immersed into and experience. SOE is no exception and I believe the music and environmental sounds were a huge part of making it that. It's also such a unique fantasy world that has a lot of mystery to it. It introduced me to the action RPG genre and easily became my favorite game experience and favorite game at the time. To this day it is one of my favorite games OAT. There are so many great things about the game. For example, I loved the humour in it as well. I've often wondered if the devs were actually steering in a different direction for the end boss. If I remember right that creepy face that shows up once or twice in the game doesn't have much of an explanation as to what it is or why it exists. I believe there's even a secret code or secret room you can access to fight it in the last world. 🤔 And I think the purpose was for the game to be 2 player similar to how Mana was multi-player but if correct there wasn't enough room for it.
I absolutely agree. The game was so immersive, and impressively so for the time frame. A 2nd player mode would have been a really cool touch. Experiencing the game with another play would have been awesome.
A true classic. I remember renting this game whenever I could because it was always so engrossing no matter how many times I had to start over.
Yea, it really is one of those RPGs that throws you right into the action from the start. I love me some JRPGs, but the majority have way too much dialogue before the first bit of gameplay.
A fair review.😊
I played it as a kid. It was released in Australia in the 90s. One of my favorites along with Donkey Kong and Lufia 2 and Terranigma (my fave).
It will have it's 30th anniversary next year. Wow. I play this game over the years since I have the SNES emulator since the early 2000s.
It is always a treat. Graphics, soudtrack and story is just simple fun times.
It is crazy that it has nearly been 30 years. Lol, it just goes to show how timeless a really well-made, off the wall game can be. Thanks for watching.
A beautiful unique RPG, loved it's darker gritty feel. It deserves a lot more praise.
I had this game and I loved the different versions of your dog!
Haha, yep! Any game that gives you a dog is an automatic win for me!
my first rpg and i Fn loved it! one of my top rpg games of the snes along with Mario Rpg, Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger
Well you've got great taste, man. Those are definitely up there as some of my favorites. Especially Chrono Trigger!
Thank you so much! I want to play this game all the way through. The story is so cool. The weapons are great.
Hey, you're welcome! You definitely should do a full playthrough, it's a great game to just pick up and play whenever you get the chance.
So fun. I got a rom since I don't want to buy an adapter for my snes. I'm with you homie, Nostalgia is one hell of a drug. lol : )🍻
Yea man, getting everything hooked up as far as retro can be a big pain, roms are definitely the way to go. I hope you enjoy it!
I agree, this one deserves much more love then it got
Yea, it really does. Even having it dropped on Nintendo's NSO would be a big win, and it would get a lot more exposure.
@@gabegoforth If they did that they would have to do the Japanese text on it since it was not released in Japan I thought. I commented before I watched the video.
@rezterralico4369 yea that is true, they would have to translate it into Japanese. Or it could be one of those games that we get, and then the Japanese market gets a different game.
Very underrated classic. There was simply no other action RPG like it- still don't think there quite has been since either. Truly unique.
I just replayed this in order to get greased up for Sea of Stars, and I love it yet again.
Oh, it's the perfect game to play to prep for Sea of Stars. In fact, I'm finishing up a review for Sea of Stars right now. It's definitely one of my new favorite games.
I didn't even realize how similar it was to Mana, don't even remember how I got a hold of it but they obviously did a PAL release as well as i'm in Australia and played it I think a year or two after it's general release. Definitely enjoyed it a lot.
I was disappointed that this wasn't in the Collection of Mana collection. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would have loved to play this on the go.
I know, right? This would have made such a great inclusion in that collection. It would have introduced a brand new experience for people who have never played it before. And yes, playing Evermore on the go would just be an awesome time.
Secret of Evermore was so fun to get my hands on to get my secret of mana 1 fix back in the day. It was the only other game that played exactly like secret of mana 1 but with guns lol , I miss the times when game companies experimented. Now it's all just swords and shields.
I love that you dropped a Lufia scene in the beginning.
Hey thanks for noticing! Lufia 2 is definitely one of my favorites as well.
@@gabegoforth my #1 for snes. also a hidden gem most don't know about.
So great!! Nice review - it was just about the last great SNES pixel rpg made😁
This game was incredibly underrated! 🔥🔥
Just bought mine today
Wow i remember this game. Such a hard game to figure out haha
Amazing game, had fond memories of being stuck in the rome/greek or whatever it was place for hours and hours.
I was in 6th grade when it came out. I loved it, we all theought it was the sequal to secret of mana. The different epochs you travel, i always will have good memories hanging out at a buddies house taking turns. The market in part 2, the chess board in part 3, dog in part 4. I wish they would remake this or spirit successor it. Unnececary hate by my classmates.
I still have a secret of evermore hat and shirt I ordered from the square catalog. of course, still have the game too. didn't enjoy it as much as mana, but it's an interesting game.
Great atmosphere and music, but this game needs to be played with a guide due to a series of maze dungeons
One of my favourites! Music is excellent
It is definitely one of the best things about the game.
I like this game 😊. It did seem forgotten to me . Its so well made.
It's sad that few know of this delightful game.
Played it as a kid…my favourite game of all time
Also, this was one of the games I got out of yearning for an experience anywhere similar to Secret of Mana (which I only witnessed being played by my siblings as I was yet too young or it was 3 players and there was 4 of us. Language issue too as not a native English speaker). Another one that I bought for the same reason was Twisted Tales of Spike McFang which suffered from the extreme linearity but it was fun otherwise.
Secret of Mana is a fantastic experience, but I do actually prefer this one a little better now. If you haven’t though, you should really check out Trials of Mana included in the Collection of Mana for the Switch. It is everything great about Secret, but it expands exponentially.
I adore this game and his soundtrack. The only really hard part is against the big rat in Gothika. If you are not fast enough and don't have your alchemies leveled up you can redo all the game^^ and that was my first time^^ I ranged and protect the guide in plastic covers and add hand drawing maps of the forests to it, where to finds alchemies, what to buy or where to buy in the market in Noblia.. yes the words themselves are unspeackably lame to say that I love this game^^ ah and in french Podunk was changed to "Pontoise" a town near Paris and it doesn't sound or mean anything close to Podunk^^ I can't wait to play it with my son with the 2 players edition on rom, but after he played it alone..
I've played through this game more than probably any game ever, excluding short rouge-likes, but certainly when it come to RPGs. I've played it a lot more again in recent years due to the randomizer called "Evermizer". A game I would recommend to anyone who enjoys (A)RPGs.
Oh cool! I'll have to check out Evermizer. It is definitely a game that I always come back to as well.
I just wish there was a way to play this game again since i lost my cartridge a long time ago. Such an epic game.
Honestly, I would just emulate it. Until Square makes it available for purchase, I don't see a reason not to. Especially since you owned the cart already.
@@gabegoforth I can't say for certain, but I suspect they're never going to put the game out again, not even emulated. It was seen in Japan as a failed experiment and I don't think they ever got the memo that it's kind of a cult classic these days. I've tried to make contact with them to see if they are willing to free up or license the IP, but even as the lead programmer of the game, I can't even get them to talk to me, let alone discuss options. So emulate away, as you do not seem to be costing them any future income by doing so.
i just recently played this for the first time, and this is one of the best most atmospheric games i have ever played. it truly made me sad when i beat the game, i wanted more lol
It is super atmospheric. I think that the music has a lot to do with that, combined with how unique each world feels.
It really is. For me the very beginning really pulled me into the game, and it just kept getting more and more fun. I really loved the marketplace part of the game. Just such a wonderful game to play.
My damn favourite game of all time. Going to play it again soon. And I swear there is a bender for Dry Ice and I could swear I have found it.
But it isn’t a person but rather a wall vending machine. It looks just like other sections of wall, but it is a vender there and it sells Dry Ice and it wasnt cheap either. I remember I was leveling my Call Beads skill and found it hard to grind out the money to buy more Dry Ice.
I agree this game is so underrated
Good Review. Quick and 2 the point.
Thanks!
Holy moly, someone acknowledging this gem’s existence in the year of our lord 2023
Lol, because it absolutely deserves it!
Hey! Hey hey hey now.... I'm not talking to myself. I am having an interesting conversation with an interesting person. lmao
This game is on my list of fond growing up memories. I loved this game. I played it, Super Mario RPG and Super Metroid all around this time. I was addicted to these games.
It's definitely up there as a childhood favorite of mine as well, along with Super Mario RPG, the remake looks incredible! And yes, Super Metroid is a game that I can still play through again and again.
i absolutely love this game but i won't sugarcoat it, the gameplay is very janky, cryptic and tedious for the most part of it (and gets reeeally carried away with its mazes). but if you can endure that, there's really something unique here, although also comes a little short, like they ran out of budget halfway or something.
i'm taking part on this gaming club of sorts by the name of retro hangover, this title is this month's choice, and people are hating it beyond compare. it's kinda funny, actually, because i get it even though i really like this game.
the best things about it are the soundtrack, the ambience and the good change of pace from the swords and magic theme. feels like an afternoon special with michael j. fox.
just be warned, it's quite unpolished.
This was one of my favorite games namely because it was a U.S. only release and no one I knew had heard of it.
Same here! I didn't know at the time that it was a Western only release until years later, but it definitely flew under the radar of anyone else that I knew that was into RPGs at the time.
@@gabegoforth a little bit of trivia, it is possible to get every item from the bazaar, however, many of those items don’t work, becauseof glitching in the code. There are emulators that fix this, however, none of the cartridge version games do not have this glitch.
It also got a UK release
@@crazyfool7685 do you know if it was a PAL release?
@@aedwardsss Yes because I owned it on Super Nintendo
The American manual has a section about weapon masters and seems like it's talking about new abilities being unlocked, but nothing in game matches the screenshot. I've been looking for an explanation for that for 20 years
Well that's the first time I've ever heard of something like that. Maybe it was planned out, but fully developed? That would've been interesting, though.
I actually loved the mood and music of this game. And I appreciated the alchemy system. It was a tough game and I'm sad I never got to finish it. But it was highly enjoyable. Idk why I never finished. Must've been around the time I got a PS1 😅
I mean hey, things happen. There were sooo many incredible games back then to play through. I definitely didn't finish a few, just because there was something else out, lol especially once the PS1 was released.
Also, for the evermore fans here, you should look up what it was supposed to be like or its first iteration. Would have been pretty interesting, too. Might even be a copy of it somewhere. Apparently, the game was supposed to be really, really dark..
Interesting, I'll have to check that out.
I think about this game a lot. Whenever i play another game where i have to name my town I am tempted to and sometimes still name it Poedunk this mana series, earthbound and of course Zelda were my top games I still think about often
Same here, this game in particular, as well as games like Wild Arms. I'll still catch myself humming the songs and thinking about.
playing alone, this one is really BETTER than mana. and thats..
I’m from KY and when I first played this game I said “Hey, that’s where I’m from!!” Lol I tell people I’m from Podunk.
Lol, I mean there are a lot of places here, especially in eastern Kentucky, which are definitely Podunk, USA.
i still have this game but hardly play it, i really need to
You really should!
one of my favorite games , next Terranigma
I definitely plan on covering Terranigma! Such a great game, as well as Illusion of Gaia.
If they remade this again….wow….would be amazing!
Yea, I think it would be unlikely, but a remade HD2D of this would be amazing.
They should have done so BEFORE the 3DS/DS Eshop shut down permanently while Lufia 2 did get a DS remake for that one its pure CRAP.
@veghesther3204 And even though it doesn't have anything to do with Mana, it would’ve been a cool bonus if it were included in the Collection of Mana on the Switch.
I dont think it needs a remake...i think this graphic style is timeless...i honestly didnt care for say the update they made with ducktales..i liked the older nes look...
@peterc866 the graphics do hold up very well. Which is a testament to the developer's skill back in the day. What would be cool though, is if they included some anime style cutscenes, similar to when Chrono Trigger was brought to the PS1, and then the DS.
i have this game its the best grapics are good its alot alot of stuff big world .. 10/10
Oh yea, the world is what really surprised me as a kid when I first played it, just how all of the areas felt so alive and expansive.
Superb Game
The prophet trying to convince you that you are in a video game, a good laugh.
Para mim Secret of Evermore é o melhor rpg do SNES.
Cap.
I heard there is a glitch in a jail cell. If you save your game or something you get permantly stuck. Ever come across this problem in your game?
No I haven't personally come across that particular one, but I do remember there being a couple throughout the game. It's such a weird game anyway, that glitches really don't bother me too much.
It's a mixed bag
siiiiigh. i'll add it to the list
They do add up quickly, don't they? And just subbed to your channel, BTW.
I remember beating the game when it came out and it had been a real chore. It has great graphics, an excellent soundtrack and an interesting story but the gameplay loop is atrocious. I thought Secret of Mana was a bit grindy, especially leveling magic, but it's nothing compared to Secret of Evermore. Everything is acheived through the most tedious means and repetitive actions. All the mazes can be summarized as "you took the wrong door/teleport try again.", combats are ruined by the terrible hit detection, alchemy is clunky and tedious AF... Nothing works smoothly in this game.
Never played the game but wasn’t this game made with 3D rendered graphics like Donkey Kong Country?
No, I don't believe so. But they did use that in Terranigma.
I had this game as a kid, but at the time I couldn't work out how to beat the rat king boss, so the game really frustrated me. But apart from that issue, I just never felt this game had the same charm as things like Chrono Trigger, or the Mana or FF games. That's the thing, by trying to westernise it, I felt they lost some of the magic. I loved Japanese games because they were overtly Japanese, so Secret of Evermore just didn't hit the spot for me.
Yea, that is completely understandable, and Chrono Trigger is a nearly impossible game to ever match. For me, taking away the Japanese aspects made it feel like some nostalgic Saturday morning cartoon, similar to Mighty Max, but actually felt like you were IN that world, and I loved it. But I definitely get where you are coming from.
Evermore is so much better than Mana. Definitely doesn't get the love it deserves.
Absolutely. It really deserves a lot more attention. Maybe Square will see fit to re-release it someday...but sadly, most likely not.
Top casual fun arpg in the snes for me, but not as overall good as terranigma.
Terranigma is a fantastic game, it's up there as one of my favorites.
I liked secret of evermore more than secret of mana. No shade to mana.
Do my eyes deceive me?
Is that paul rudd in a snes commercial?
Genuinely asking
Yep, lol that was indeed a young Paul Rudd acting like he was playing Zelda: A Link To The Past, in a dark parking lot...the 90s were a wild time.
@@gabegoforth lol thanks for the reply.
I thought it was but, wasn't sure lol.
Yeah the 90's were wild, i was born in 80 so i got to experience the nes era and the genesis/snes era as a kid.
Damn, those fun times😊🙂
@@nessadvantage9447 same here, dude. Going from the NES to the SNES was a magical thing as a kid. And just getting lost for hours in an RPG, great times.
@@gabegoforth i completly agree.
You had to look hard to find a really bad rpg on the snes (lol, sadly i did find a few)
My favorite game to this day and an rpg i could get lost in again and again was chrono trigger
@nessadvantage9447 lol, there are a few bad ones, but they are definitely few and far between. And yes, Chrono Trigger is a game that I still play through consistently. It's my favorite game of all time hands down. I always want to make a video about it, but doing that game justice is very daunting.
Spamming spells is easy
A much much better game is beyond oasis
This is not a hidden gem. It was a major hit.
Yeah this game is pretty well known
Okay, good to know. I just haven't heard too many people talk about it, and I've never known anyone who's played it or has even heard of it. But thanks for the info.
@@gabegoforth
Hey this is a great video though. Don't get me wrong. The way you explained the game was perfect.
In fact you point out a lot of things I've never heard a reviewer dive into. Lot of people get hung up on the secret of mana gameplay comparison, and the strange need to compare them. You seem to be someone who appreciates the character of the game, rather than just a piece of software.
The background music is unintrusive and goes well with your narration.
I'm subbing. Also easy to watch/listen to as I'm doing dishes lol
@necromancer_eatmypantzer yea, I was definitely trying to stay away from the Mana comparisons as much as I could. Even though there are strong similarities, Evermore definitely has its own unique character and vibe.
And thanks for the kind words and support. It definitely makes making videos worth it.
Lol, and yes, I always try my best to create only the finest background noise for chores around the house :)
@@gabegoforth Haha I hope that didn't come out weird.
I struggle sitting and watching commentary videos, but they're fun to listen to while mowing the lawn, walking the dog, dishes, vacuuming etc
I hated this game growing up
Lol, well it's not for everyone. But if you get around to it, you should give it another shot.
I hated it it was boring and slow
I was obsessed with this game as a young kid (born in 1990). My parents rented it once and something about it cemented in my memory and then for years I was obsessed with finding and playing it again. I would draw little comics about the game based on my somewhat inaccurate memory of it. After a few years they finally bought me a copy off ebay (sometime in 2000 when I was 9 or 10 years old)
Even with the weird bugs, this game is 100x better than Secret of Mana. I liked Secret of Mana as a kid but when I tried to replay it as an adult 10+ years ago I realised it's kind of shit. The party AI is garbage, they constantly get stuck on random shit like bushes and grass, which holds up the screen and gets you stunlocked and fucked in the ass over and over. I made it to the last dungeon and dropped the game.
Secret of Evermore though, this game has some weird balance issues and easily abused exploits but the atmosphere and setting are just so unique I don't even care about those at all. This was the world that got me obsessed as a 5-6 year old and I couldn't stop thiinking about it for years until I got my own copy of the game.
It's a fucking weird pairing but Secret of Evermore and Addams Family Values are the games with an atmosphere that just stuck to me like glue and I couldn't let go. Chrono Trigger is a very close second (and I obviously think CT is a wayyyy better game than either of those two, but the atmosphere of the aforementioned and how it influenced a young me are what I'm referring to)
And I would have to agree with you. As much as I love Secret of Mana, Evermore is just a better game. The setting, world, dialogue, and gameplay, while similar, is just more enjoyable. Lol and yea, this is a game that also really stuck with me as a kid. The way a lot of retro RPGs that I would play back in the day would leave a lot to my imagination, similar to a really good book.