The Seven Deadly Sins: Pride | Belief It Or Not

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  • Don’t be proud… be sad.
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  • @tacitblack4732
    @tacitblack4732 Před rokem +1303

    "Insecurity is pride." Sure, sure. And war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Christianity: More Orwellian than Orwell for over 2000 years.

    • @gothboschincarnate3931
      @gothboschincarnate3931 Před rokem +72

      They try to tell me that my experiences are invalid....when they have none at all. They can only repeat what a poorly written book tells then.

    • @gothboschincarnate3931
      @gothboschincarnate3931 Před rokem +10

      Doris says its the Hollywood syndrome....

    • @SurrealKeenan
      @SurrealKeenan Před rokem +6

      what belief it or not gets wrong is that he uses the wrong definition of pride throughout this video. The english term is too broad. The pride that means holding yourself accountable and striving for excellence and the pride that means feeling joy for your accomplishments and the accomplishments of your community oibviously aren't sins. However, vanity and narcissism (which are much better terms) are sins and also the root of insecurity.
      You don't have to be happy with yourself in order to be vane and in fact, vanity usually comes with feeling bad about yourself. Insecurity is a form of vanity. You care so much about how others perceive you that you are emotionally paralyzed. This can cause you to lash out when others touch on your weak spots or put others down to distract from your own weaknesses.
      Insecurity is a form of pride.

    • @tacitblack4732
      @tacitblack4732 Před rokem

      @@SurrealKeenan It bears pointing out that most Christians are deeply insecure because their religion never stops telling them that they are worthless and unworthy. Of course, it also tells them that they are loved and favored above all others by the creator of the universe, which causes Christians to suffer simultaneously from an inferiority complex and delusions of grandeur.

    • @gothboschincarnate3931
      @gothboschincarnate3931 Před rokem +31

      @@SurrealKeenan

  • @95mudshovel
    @95mudshovel Před rokem +1668

    in church, people would say they were proud of something, catch themselves, and say "not proud like _that."_ almost like... pride is normal and essential.

    • @shamtactics4712
      @shamtactics4712 Před rokem +143

      I still can’t say im proud of myself without either crying first or choke up bc im still trying to get over that religious trauma that made feel like a worthless piece of trash every sunday. Which is what they preached every week.

    • @washipuppy
      @washipuppy Před rokem +54

      I wasn't even raised explicitly christian, just background protestant with a catholic school education, and the notion of being proud of myself still makes me want to curl up like a Slater Beetle and roll myself into a ditch most times. It's awful how poisoned I am by these religious ideas I don't even subscribe to just by them being so entrenched in my upbringing.

    • @bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880
      @bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 Před rokem +9

      @@shamtactics4712 That's sad, I hope you can still work your traumas.

    • @Craxin01
      @Craxin01 Před rokem +29

      People need to understand that there are two kinds of pride. Pride in genuine accomplishments isn't bad. It can become toxic if it's excessive, but isn't bad in and of itself. Pride in things you have no control over or have done nothing to affect is inherently toxic. Race, religion, sex, nation, being proud of these things always turns bad quick.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem +20

      @@Craxin01 tell that to these preachers who pretty much exclusively define pride as toxic and also believe pride in accomplishments are bad because your mind itself is a gift from god

  • @tmercy1257
    @tmercy1257 Před rokem +906

    The whole “pride is unattractive” thing is actually kinda funny. There is this girl in my college class. She immediately caught my eye because she seemed so secure and confident in herself and I couldn’t help but be drawn to her. She’s so sweet and thoughtful, but it was her pride in herself that made me attracted to her initially. It’s being a self absorbed jerk that makes someone unattractive not having pride.

    • @MrDirtydaves
      @MrDirtydaves Před rokem +75

      Funny you should say that because the most popular/attractive people in my ministry school also seemed to be the most confident and often prideful people in the school.

    • @Newfiecat
      @Newfiecat Před rokem

      Yup. The church, which only comprehends extreme binaries, can't understand the difference between healthy pride/self love/confidence versus arrogance and narcissism. To them you're either an evil self absorbed narcissist or a virtuous doormat for Jesus.

    • @lucidmoth1023
      @lucidmoth1023 Před rokem +52

      And keep in mind most ppl who do find insecure people attractive, usually want to manipulate and abuse an easy target.

    • @Salem-ys6kw
      @Salem-ys6kw Před rokem +21

      It's women who are expected to put in all the effort to make themselves beautiful but still have no idea that anyone could find them that way. 🙄 And be totally grateful that a man would find them attractive. For men, being confident is seen as far more acceptable, shows good "leadership" and all, cause men are seen to have rightful authority. Arrogance and bigotry by men is often perceived as strength.

    • @JeantheSecond
      @JeantheSecond Před rokem +15

      If you have self-confidence, you’re prideful. If you’re insecure, you’re prideful. Right.

  • @truelyblue22
    @truelyblue22 Před rokem +616

    imagine teaching someone they’re inherently unlovable and then telling them they’re prideful for struggling with feeling loved

    • @elisabethscott20
      @elisabethscott20 Před rokem +36

      It's all paradoxes 💀

    • @TheGuardDuck
      @TheGuardDuck Před rokem +76

      ​​​@@elisabethscott20 No, it makes sense; it's just abusive. You're not allowed to feel good about yourself!

    • @drexcarratala5290
      @drexcarratala5290 Před rokem +31

      it fucks you up deeply, I can say from experience lmao.

    • @farribastarfyre
      @farribastarfyre Před rokem +10

      @@TheGuardDuck It's one of the few things on which the Evangelical worldview _is_ internally consistent.

    • @TheGuardDuck
      @TheGuardDuck Před rokem +15

      @@farribastarfyre There's actually a lot that's internally consistent. The biggest problem is that it's abusive, manipulative, and you can't see how it crazy it is until you get out. I know the doctrines. It was when I realized the doctrines were basically describing an evil god, that I had to leave.

  • @l_Doc
    @l_Doc Před rokem +787

    My mom used to love doing pottery as a hobby, selling some of her work at craft shows. She'd smile and get excited when we sold one of her items. She eventually became a "born again" Christian and started to stop with her hobby. I was like, "Oh great, she probably thinks she was too prideful." And surprise, surprise, that was exactly the reason. So religion made her stop loving her hobby. Thanks, religion.

    • @bensmall2602
      @bensmall2602 Před rokem

      Sorry to hear it man. It's exactly what Christianity does, scoops out all the things that make you who you are and replaces them like a parasite.

    • @yeesusofsuburbia
      @yeesusofsuburbia Před rokem +70

      omg that's horrible
      please have a convo with her about it and try to dig deeper, maybe pick it up yourself and have her help you
      it's so sad religion keeps people in a chokehold

    • @roythomas7207
      @roythomas7207 Před rokem

      Is she in the Jehovah's Whiteness cult or another Christian cult?

    • @l_Doc
      @l_Doc Před rokem +27

      @@roythomas7207 None discript cult I guess. She doesn't go to church anymore cause she didn't like what they where teaching. She studies on her own and finds answers she agress with.

    • @l_Doc
      @l_Doc Před rokem +21

      @@yeesusofsuburbia I've tried before. But she's sold her equipment a while ago.

  • @WizWiteKnight
    @WizWiteKnight Před rokem +429

    Calling Pride a sin is the original Gaslighting.
    You arent worthy of Love. You can only get it from God, who is gracious enough to Love you despite you not being worthy of it. Don't love yourself, listen to us, and fall in line.

    • @happyclappy1805
      @happyclappy1805 Před rokem +27

      absolutely on point. horrible manipulation of scripture

    • @adrianghandtchi1562
      @adrianghandtchi1562 Před rokem +29

      Because loving yourself means you’re not codependent a resource of control. It’s so culty it might as well be a cult

    • @pierrelaplant7926
      @pierrelaplant7926 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Believe in the God who believes in you.

    • @RobespierreThePoof
      @RobespierreThePoof Před 4 měsíci +1

      "Arrogance" would have been better.
      Humility certainly is a virtue

    • @CHNO-dq3dm
      @CHNO-dq3dm Před 4 měsíci

      @@pierrelaplant7926Gurren Lagann!?!?!? Kamina!?!?!

  • @DesGardius-me7gf
    @DesGardius-me7gf Před rokem +1096

    Whenever a Christian tells me I’m prideful, my response is: “Thank you! I’m glad you noticed. Must be a real pain in the ass knowing you can’t manipulate my emotions with your bullshit, isn’t it?”

    • @nothanks6549
      @nothanks6549 Před rokem +25

      How many Christians have told you that?

    • @lorianabanana6066
      @lorianabanana6066 Před rokem

      @@nothanks6549 When you are LGBT+ Christains will constantly give you crap about 'pride' and how you don't deserve it. It's right up there with 'Y'all just wanna sin'- so ya ALOT.

    • @lorianabanana6066
      @lorianabanana6066 Před rokem +122

      @@nothanks6549 Which is ironic because most Christains think awfully high of themselves lol.

    • @MK_ULTRA_HDTV
      @MK_ULTRA_HDTV Před rokem +21

      @@nothanks6549 Thousands in their imaginary conversations.

    • @runewolf77
      @runewolf77 Před rokem +5

      I think pride is a sin because it can make u lose ur compassion for other people if ur not self aware of it. It does say in the bible that if u stay on the path of love God will dwell in u. Just remember to think of others and u should be ok 😉

  • @Zanerus
    @Zanerus Před rokem +702

    I have to ask, how do you not get emotionally exhausted from finding these examples?

    • @BeliefItOrNot
      @BeliefItOrNot  Před rokem +538

      I’ll let you know when I figure it out

    • @ZeketheZealot
      @ZeketheZealot Před rokem +278

      @@BeliefItOrNot
      The work that you put into these is good and incredibly helpful, friend. Don’t burn yourself out, but if you’ll pardon the pun, absolutely be proud of what you do. Seriously. The work you do is so, so valuable.

    • @Zanerus
      @Zanerus Před rokem +117

      @@BeliefItOrNot I was not expecting a reply at all to be honest. Thank you.

    • @Zanerus
      @Zanerus Před rokem +108

      @@BeliefItOrNot I love your input on these topics and countering these insane and exhausting mindsets.
      Don't always have the energy to engage with your content but I do enjoy when I can.

    • @aazhie
      @aazhie Před rokem +32

      @@Zanerus wow, same, and thanks for saying this. I enjoy the content so much, but sometimes it's so exhausting. Trevor does so much work just finding this stuff

  • @raven_g6667
    @raven_g6667 Před rokem +416

    I deal with schizophrenia. I am on disability and sometimes it's hard for me to reconcile the real world with the one in my head. There are things I cannot do, things that others can and ppl tell me, things a man should be able to do. I've developed coping mechanisms and ways to live with this neuro-divergence and carve out a semblance of a life for myself. I am very proud of myself that I've gotten to where I am and I'm even more proud when I accomplish something. There use to be a lot of ppl in my life that told me that if I surrendered to God, I'd be able to cure my mental illness entirely. Well, I don't believe I need to be cured of anything, I'm proud of the person I am.

    • @elisabethscott20
      @elisabethscott20 Před rokem +45

      I'm proud of you too. And fuck those people who told you that you would be cured if you just "surrendered". Offensive on so many levels.

    • @notNajimi
      @notNajimi Před rokem +21

      Hell fuckin yeah dude, be proud of yourself!

    • @drexcarratala5290
      @drexcarratala5290 Před rokem +15

      we love a prideful neurodivergent

    • @bluester7177
      @bluester7177 Před rokem +23

      You should be fucking proud, you're making a life for yourself in a world that isn't made with you in mind and often enough is trying to bring you down and treat you like shit, you're strong and should be proud.

    • @exnihilokonkin6122
      @exnihilokonkin6122 Před rokem +8

      Oh that is just the worst, isn't it? My husband has schizophrenia. He works part time (as much as his illness will let him). He had an early onset (dx at age 14). He should be proud of himself, as should you. You are pulling through despite your barriers. He was told that he was "oppressed by demons" and basically not "christian enough". I haven't heard of one case of SZ being cured by religion. It takes a lot of work to not let this mental illness completely annihilate you. So yes, you ought to be proud of yourself.

  • @JackTheVulture
    @JackTheVulture Před rokem +702

    there is something so. evil? about suggesting that anxiety is pride, that its sin. shaming people with mental illness for being mentally ill. anxiety disorders arent logical. there is plenty to be genuinely anxious about even without anxiety disorders! they need so bad to include EVERYONE as sinful. they always seem to assume the worst of everyone. the way they describe the actions and thoughts of people and what they want is like. always a bad faith interpretation. always a strawman. its all guilt.

    • @merbst
      @merbst Před rokem +1

      Christianity is Evil

    • @brushdogart
      @brushdogart Před rokem +52

      I was thinking along the same lines. Accusing those who suffer from social anxiety of sinful pride is simply monstrous! Not to mention how much damage those words can do to someone who may already be suffering from depression or other delicate mental states. Just horrible.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem

      These people get off on their own power. They've found a socially acceptable place to abuse people.

    • @juiceoverflow
      @juiceoverflow Před rokem +61

      Christians to their kids: there's an all knowing entity who watches your every thought and move, and if you're ever bad he WILL know and you'll suffer in hell for all eternity
      Also Christians: why does my child have an anxiety disorder?!?!

    • @merbst
      @merbst Před rokem +33

      @@juiceoverflow To be a little more accurate, you need not do anything wrong for God to torture you forever. The definition of Sin is intended to spare noone.

  • @abracadaverous
    @abracadaverous Před rokem +405

    Pokluda's sermon about sheep being defenseless and falling over when they're scared demonstrates that a) he's never been around a sheep, and b) he can't tell the difference between sheep and fainting goats.

    • @michiganscythian2445
      @michiganscythian2445 Před rokem +94

      And sheep aren’t defenseless. In the wild, they have horns. Domestic sheep are bred to not have horns or are de horned shortly after birth if they do. But sheep are far from defenseless as wild sheep: they have horns and they’re incredibly agile. Look up mouflon or Marco Polo sheep to see what they looked like before humans started mucking with them

    • @vintagearisen
      @vintagearisen Před rokem +59

      There's a whole parable in the Bible about differentiating sheep from goats, so this irony is especially hilarious.

    • @tatiana4050
      @tatiana4050 Před rokem +25

      @@michiganscythian2445 I would say slugs are more defenceless than sheep.
      Even if sheep were the way he described them. They at least have skulls protecting their brains

    • @spacepope69
      @spacepope69 Před rokem +6

      Apparently Podluka has never seen the last episode of Kino's Journey: The Beautiful World-The Animated Series, where Kino has to fight off GMO sheep.

    • @LoganBluth
      @LoganBluth Před rokem +46

      @@michiganscythian2445 Having worked with sheep on a farm growing up, I'd bet on even your average *_domesticated_* sheep to be able to defeat your average adult human in hand-to-hoof combat! Their skulls feel like granite when they butt you at speed!

  • @michealforguson5317
    @michealforguson5317 Před rokem +671

    There's a difference between Pride and Arrogance.
    Pride is pretty much whenever you do something and you feel happy doing so. Arrogance is that but taken to an extreme. You think too highly of yourself, your expectations are too high. It's no surprise that Arrogance and Narcissism go hand-in-hand.

    • @qiae
      @qiae Před rokem +63

      It is worth mention that narcissism is most often a low self esteem issue in which basically arrogant posturing is the coping strategy developed for that self esteem issue.

    • @estebanrodriguez5409
      @estebanrodriguez5409 Před rokem +39

      The "extreme" form of pride is called hubris, it's when the person belives he is above god.
      Arrogance is most often used when denoting someone that made a mistake but doesn't admit it...
      The truth is that pride, arrogance, hubris, vanity, etc they are mostly synonyms... they come from root words that "describe" the act.
      The interesting thing, is that many are Greek words and the ancient greeks, with their crazy ass gods, had a VERY different interpretation on what "pride" was in relation to their own gods.
      The interpretation of the sin of "pride" also changed a lot over the years, much like how "sloth" changed DRASTICALLY from acedia. Funny how the church wouldn't call kings prideful under they rule because they were appointed by the G-Man himself.

    • @qiae
      @qiae Před rokem +18

      @@john-paulhunt6943 what are you talking about?

    • @LouieLouie505
      @LouieLouie505 Před rokem +31

      @@john-paulhunt6943 “…all hating on social security here….” When people who haven’t had their voice heard finally are flexing their human rights, that is just fine and right. There would be no anger if the privileged would simply relinquish their special rights of discrimination and favor so that needs are met without having to fight for recognition.

    • @holstatt6896
      @holstatt6896 Před rokem +7

      Yes that is true. But Christianity make no distinction at all, OP of this subthread.

  • @M_MTsc
    @M_MTsc Před rokem +206

    A religious friend of mine passed his engineering degree degree and his mother said that they should pray thanking god for his grace and helping him passed. That day he lost his religion as he starting thinking, that’s nonsense, I worked hard for four years and made many sacrifices. I made this happen, this was me, god gave me nothing. I deserve recognition for what I’ve done.

    • @LadyOfTheEdits
      @LadyOfTheEdits Před rokem +15

      Facts!!

    • @dylldobaggins4594
      @dylldobaggins4594 Před rokem +18

      It’s like the old sportsman’s adage ‘The more I practice, the luckier I get”.
      Same with study or hard work.

    • @galactick3816
      @galactick3816 Před rokem +6

      @@dylldobaggins4594 There are two types of luck
      1. Luck that a master can get more consistently
      2. totaly random, no control over it
      A lot of people don't know that... And neither is affected by a god either XD

    • @dylldobaggins4594
      @dylldobaggins4594 Před rokem +3

      @@galactick3816 Your first option does not exist.
      The very definition of luck is that it happens by chance which means that nobody can control it.
      Try again.

    • @sonovabeach2165
      @sonovabeach2165 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@dylldobaggins4594but his first definition meant the same thing as ur addage tf u mean

  • @TheCount991
    @TheCount991 Před rokem +130

    This is one of the things that did the most lasting damage from when I was a Christian. Never taking any credit for your accomplishments, while taking all the blame for your failures is a terrible way to live.
    I’ve always been nature, especially birds. When I was around 12 I went to a few kids programs at a local nature center. One time a professor from the local university was a guest leader. He brought a bunch of taxidermied birds along, maybe 25ish, and a prize for whichever kid got the most right. I identified every single one correctly, including the one that was a trick fake bird. I was so excited. The next morning we went to church, and the pastor gave a sermon about pride. I never went to that program again because I felt guilty for being good at something.

  • @TheLodjur
    @TheLodjur Před rokem +252

    Rather than "dont be prideful" it should be "don't put others down". The important part is to be a decent person. Feelig proud of an actual accomplishment is a good thing, what else gives you self worth if not feeling proud of what you do and who you are?

    • @heathercontois4501
      @heathercontois4501 Před rokem +15

      My parents are very Catholic, but they have even told me being proud of an accomplishment is not a sin. You should feel like you did a good job and did it well.

    • @sherrijennings9309
      @sherrijennings9309 Před rokem +20

      I wonder what the original Greek or Aramaic word is. I suspect the translators who chose "pride" may have missed some cultural nuance

    • @heathercontois4501
      @heathercontois4501 Před rokem +11

      @@sherrijennings9309 Upon each translation, someone decides to change words. At least that's what I've learned.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem +8

      I kinda feel like you don't even need religion to teach you that

    • @TheLodjur
      @TheLodjur Před rokem +8

      @@mariaquiet6211 Indeed you don't. 🙂

  • @lindenshepherd6085
    @lindenshepherd6085 Před rokem +84

    Just wanted to add about the “know-it-all” thing, as a kid who grew up not knowing I was neurodivergent, I was constantly oversharing what new things I learned or was passionate about. It was difficult for me to navigate interacting with other kids because I struggle with humor and sarcasm, but when I interacted with adults, I got praise for demonstrating I was smart or “gifted”. So, the only type of social interaction I really felt secure in was sharing cool things I read about or talking about the things I found interesting in class. Needless to say, kids my age didn’t like a person with limited social skills who appeared to be a show off. Adults stopped finding the behavior “cute” or admirable, so I started getting backhanded remarks about being a show-off or taking up too much conversation space. My best friend found my way of interacting annoying, but didn’t bother to tell me why she was withdrawing to hang out with different people, so I didn’t get the chance to practice social interaction again till I moved schools. I finally got to a function point when I was 16, though even then I wasn’t generally liked.
    When you shame a kid for “pride,” you are ignoring potential signs that that kid needs a bit of extra help. They may not know what they’re doing, and when it’s already a struggle to talk to people, most kids in that situation struggle to find recourse when that method of interaction no longer works.

    • @ferretfather2000
      @ferretfather2000 Před rokem +5

      feel free to talk my ear anytime👍

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před rokem +7

      @@ferretfather2000 Am not the OP but you fell into my crosshairs today and I shall inflict myself upon you.
      I decided to base a speculative biology species on "what if early humans, but american possums???" and I am constantly enamored by these nothumans descended from possumlike social critters because the more I write about them the funnier they get. I gave them fur legwarmers and armwarmers and shoulderpads so they look like they escaped from a prehistoric 80's fitness show with 80's glam rock manes, and because they have kids in litters the babies just grab on to that while the adults walk around looking like displays for tiny not-possum-mans.
      The babies also are born precocious so they can teeter and totter around like clumsy kittens. And they chirp like baby caracals. Oh and the species has arms and legs the same length and necks that bend like seals so they can look forward both on four legs and two (and when they stand they can just stare up in the sky, they like to do that when it rains and later once they figure out showers, because the water feels good).
      I made them obligate carnivores and then gave them basically inaccurately reconstructed triceratopsids as livestock, they have wagyu tricerasteaks and stuff.
      And they live in underground warren-cities similar in scope to Derinkuyu in Turkey. (Look up Derinkuyu it's AMAZING how huge it is.) Also they don't really have gender roles but they instead have "pretty" and "dirty" classes - "pretty" class are for people who do brainy things like theoretical stuff, and writing, and maths, and fashion, and singing, and they "brag" about that by dressing in nice delicate and elaborate things in easily-stained colors, and it's centered around "keeping pretty". The "dirty" class is for heavier labor and elbow-grease jobs, like mechanics, or sex work, or gardening/landscaping, contracting jobs, working printers and carrying books and larger-scale cooking. If it makes you sweat and your muscle burns it's a job that "gets you dirty".
      There's no problematic things with their society about "pretty" and "dirty" jobs, they're all just as valid and important and both "pretty" and "dirty" classes have people that are attractive and more that are plain or downright uglycute, it's just that one group tends to be more waifs and twinks and the other's more (realistically bodybuildery) amazons and strongmen. The biggest thing with them is that they have different cleaning and dressing-up schedules because a pretty job means bathing/showering to get ready for work and a dirty job means bathing/showering as a reward for a day of work well-done. And pretty-class possumpeople dressing kind of shabby after work to relax and be cute and not deal with expectations, while dirty-class possumpeople enjoy dressing up after work to preen a little and feel nice and flashy.
      Hope you have a nice day and that maybe you liked reading me ramble about my weird possum-adjacent not-humans, or maybe learning about derinkuyu existing!

    • @micosstar
      @micosstar Před rokem +1

      i'm- like the exact copy in terms of social interactions between kids and adults and in neurodivergence; so glad you shared your story!

    • @Tornadopelt
      @Tornadopelt Před rokem +1

      @@neoqwerty Oh, neato! I like! Wanna hear my idea for a fanfic of "Madoka Magica"?

    • @ameziaarchard8487
      @ameziaarchard8487 Před měsícem

      I had the same experience when I was in a church someone told me that I act like I'm all knowing, I was so angry

  • @LateNightKaiju
    @LateNightKaiju Před rokem +176

    All of the seven 'sins' are healthy and beneficial in moderation. They are all motivators. Even sloth inspires people to save time and labour, and can cut down stress. They only become problematic when they go too far. Like almost everything in the world.

    • @darkstarr984
      @darkstarr984 Před 8 měsíci +10

      Yup. All of it is bad in excess, but it’s also terrible to be lacking in them!

  • @ararepotato1420
    @ararepotato1420 Před rokem +206

    This one hits a bit too hard for me. I took this idea VERY seriously when I was younger. I had an obsession with being humble and not prideful at all. You know what that got me? Low self esteem, very low opinion of myself, an inability to recognize my own abilities, and I had no drive to be better or do better because I did not feel good about my accomplishments.
    It took many months of therapy and practice before I could even say: "I am proud of myself" and many more to actually believe it. Pride is good, it's arrogance and narcissism that is not!

    • @amalgamfrostpink5030
      @amalgamfrostpink5030 Před rokem +3

      Same boat. My mouth tastes of poison any time I am complimented or I compliment myself. Really fucked me over.

  • @CandyPants627
    @CandyPants627 Před rokem +169

    This is what they used to destroy me. Before I went to an evangelical church, I was a very confident kid. Which sounds like the making of an asshole but I also had a natural curiosity and willingness to learn and be taught. To me, that sounds like an amazing kid. Could be bad with the right guidance, could be a really good start for a successful healthy person. But I started going to an evangelical church around 9. They threw that in my face and told me everything that I was, was evil. The self assured nature was of the devil. I needed to submit (didn't party, hadn't had sex, was homeschooled, and 99% of my life was ministry but guess that didn't mean much). I they broke me but I never submitted. Thankfully, with therapy, I'm finding that kid again.

  • @shaereub4450
    @shaereub4450 Před rokem +335

    I officially left near the end of 2019, and it's like finally seeing the abuse and manipulation only after leaving the abusive relationship.

    • @FlyingKaida
      @FlyingKaida Před rokem +23

      Left my abusive relationship around the same time, but took me until mid 2020 to finally say yeah... it is in the bible too isn't it? And of course my ex used the bible and Christian music to maintain a firm hold on me for far too long. Glad you made it out of that!

    • @TheGuardDuck
      @TheGuardDuck Před rokem +13

      When I left, it felt like going through a breakup. And yeah, you can't see how insane and self-abusing it is until you get out.

    • @aaron2891
      @aaron2891 Před rokem +5

      I broke it off midway through 2021. Didn’t recognize the abusive relationship aspect until I heard Taylor Thomlinson mention it, but it more than fits.

  • @princesskatarina351
    @princesskatarina351 Před rokem +32

    Imagine the ego, the gall it takes to stand at the center of a giant stage - all eyes on you - and tell everyone they need to "clothe themselves in humility". While you're up there, strutting on that stage in a bespoke suit.

  • @THATGuy5654
    @THATGuy5654 Před rokem +132

    I hear Allen Parr suggest that flaunting knowledge or education is prideful and wrong, and I think,
    _"But that could pretty much prevent people from correcting misinformation whenOH GOD DAMN IT THAT'S THE POINT ISN'T IT?"_
    Allen Parr: A man so transparent that he can say the quiet part out loud without saying the quiet part out loud.

    • @elisabethscott20
      @elisabethscott20 Před rokem +26

      This is giving me flashbacks to 2020 when my relatives were clutching their pearls at how "disrespectful" I was by imploring them not to eat horse dewormer. As I recall, I was specifically called a "pompous ass" for referencing a medical study.

    • @awkwardukulele6077
      @awkwardukulele6077 Před rokem +28

      Oof, yep. It’s the religious version of calling your kid’s correction of your mistakes, “back talking,” because you’re, ironically, too prideful to handle criticism.

    • @philip8498
      @philip8498 Před rokem +7

      the only reason we can even see allen parr is because he is more transparent then air. so we see a little better through him than through anything else and that outlines his generall shape.

  • @blumoon131
    @blumoon131 Před rokem +101

    "If someone is under the protection and care of an all-powerful being, how can they be anxious?"
    It certainly doesn't help when that supposed all-powerful being is also a vindictive psycho who has rules that make you feel like you are never good enough...

    • @page8301
      @page8301 Před rokem +21

      It helps even less that it is an imaginary being that does diddly squat.

    • @agoo7581
      @agoo7581 Před rokem +15

      It's on par with "why don't you want to go prison, where there is free food and lodging?" as world class dumb statements.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem

      Cause Christians never get hit with natural disasters, oppression, abuse, poverty, famine or sickness, nope, never, ever.

    • @juiceoverflow
      @juiceoverflow Před rokem +15

      It also doesn't help that the being will send you to a pit of eternal torment and suffering if you do something like act on the sexual urges he gave you

    • @mattmorehouse9685
      @mattmorehouse9685 Před rokem +2

      @@juiceoverflow Or if you eat shellfish. It's almost like this all powerful being is some sort of avatar of narcissism and evil. So prideful, he wants every last human to worship him forever. And if you don't follow every last rule in his book (even the ones that contradict the other rules) you'll be tortured- forever. Yet they talk to us about their god being not prideful.

  • @dillanklapp
    @dillanklapp Před rokem +52

    Two ways the word pride is used; as the opposite of humility, and as the opposite of shame.
    When people march in pride parades for example, they aren’t being arrogant, they are just saying they don’t have to be ashamed of who they are.

  • @GeneralCloudhopper
    @GeneralCloudhopper Před rokem +49

    Telling someone who has anxiety that it's because they're too prideful is whack

  • @aprilmichel7816
    @aprilmichel7816 Před rokem +30

    "The source of anxiety is pride." is one of the most fucked up things I have ever heard and I can't explain why but it made me retch on the inside.

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před rokem +4

      Because it's thought-terminating. Instead of telling you to ask WHY you feel anxious so you can figure out why your brain feels danger (reminder anxiety is a survival mechanism that activates when you feel unsafe, including learned helplessness situations), it tells you that being anxious is Bad and you don't want to be Bad now do you, now submit to God he's the only one that can help you you can't help yourself.

  • @pfefferfilm
    @pfefferfilm Před rokem +115

    8:24 After I transitioned, I went from zero selfies to like fifty a day because I finally see my face and after three decades like what I see and can actually smile and don't want to kill myself so I guess that's pride tho
    Queer Pride though. I like that we use that word because it's not at all "vainglory" like the original word in the bible. "Gay Pride" is used -> It's the opposite of shame. I love myself and there's nothing those preachers can do to take that away from me.

    • @katashworth41
      @katashworth41 Před rokem +17

      I feel similar after I came out as enby, still don’t take selfies cos I just do not photograph well. I always seem to not be looking in the right direction or pulling a face after making a joke. Much rather be behind the camera. But I do feel so much better in myself.

    • @pfefferfilm
      @pfefferfilm Před rokem +14

      @@katashworth41 Learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all

    • @katashworth41
      @katashworth41 Před rokem +13

      @@pfefferfilm knowing my partner loves me helps

    • @awkwardukulele6077
      @awkwardukulele6077 Před rokem +10

      I still have my gender-swapped photo saved in my computer as a reminder for why I need to pursue transitioning. Seeing a person I recognized after going my whole life not really seeing myself in the mirror gave me a kind of self love I’m not relinquishing anytime soon.
      But of course, all that’s sinful, because it’s prideful AND it’s queer. I just hope my relatives can keep the questions of “why did you leave the faith?,” to themselves for a while, because they will be getting an earful if they ask me that right now.

    • @sarascarpati887
      @sarascarpati887 Před rokem +1

      @@katashworth41 erm.. Sorry if ask, but what's enby?

  • @MrDirtydaves
    @MrDirtydaves Před rokem +111

    My parents like to say I’m “angry” at god and that is why I walked away from my faith. But in reality, I got healthy and started to be more proactive in my own life and suddenly my life was better than all the years of prayers had ever manifested.

    • @Reevay762
      @Reevay762 Před rokem +6

      I did the same exact thing. Walking away from my faith has absolutely worked for me. Happier, more focused on my health and clear mindset. 😊

    • @juniperrodley9843
      @juniperrodley9843 Před rokem +1

      Anger at God in the same way one might be angry at a belt used to beat them

  • @norafromash5087
    @norafromash5087 Před rokem +114

    As a person with a lot of insecurities, pride is a good thing. It helps me be confident and happier with myself. There is of course such a thing as too much, but for a lot of people today that doesn't really apply. We need to be proud of ourselves, or we will never be happy.

  • @katashworth41
    @katashworth41 Před rokem +101

    Constantly being reminded of the sin of pride as a kid has completely ruined my confidence, there are things I know I am good at. I’m a damn fine quizzer and not a terrible writer, but I got a review on something I wrote saying I was talented and I can’t believe it.

    • @vienlacrose
      @vienlacrose Před rokem +17

      The most essential job of any cult is to erode the belief that you are capable of surviving without them.

  • @SilortheBlade
    @SilortheBlade Před rokem +76

    Anyone reading this, you are not worthless. If you grew up listening to these horrible preachers and that still nags at you in the back of your mind, just remember and say to yourself, you are not worthless. You always have worth.

  • @LilyoftheLake14
    @LilyoftheLake14 Před rokem +34

    My dad was also spied on exactly like yours. They took pictures of him once helping me get a ball out of a tree by throwing bigger sticks at it. He had to lay down for the rest of the day after that and wasn't better for another 2 days.
    He had to fight tooth and nail for disability. He had doctor's proof, x-rays showing how damaged his back was, he couldn't work a consistent job because of how messed up his back was. He had several diagnosed problems and was on strong pain meds for his back, too. Plus he'd had 3 different surgeries back in the 90s that ended up just making it worse and he refused to get anymore surgery until the 2010s when the medical technology was much better. He was in pain all the time and since he couldn't work, we were poor and had 1 old car so, every weekday, my dad would have to drive my mom to work, get me ready for school, drop me off and then pick us both up. I remember times he was in so much pain that he had to recline in the passenger seat once we picked my mom up from work.
    He would also have OK and good days that he would take advantage of to get as much done as possible. He was denied disability several times because of these vultures like the one that took pictures and spied on your dad. We experienced the same thing and it made my dad anxious and paranoid knowing he might have someone spying on him at any moment.
    Because of these assholes that would take pictures of my dad when his back wasn't hurting as much, it ended up takimg him 12 years to be awarded disability. He literally had to hire a lawyer and go to court over it. When he won, he got backpay for all 12 years of suffering and not being able to make ends meet. My mom had to work 2 jobs at one point to support me and my dad.
    The way he won his case wasn't what happened in the courtroom. After 2-3 hours of sitting in the uncomfortable chair in court, my dad was in a shitton of pain. He walked next door to a restaurant and asked to buy a couple bags of ice, but they were nice and just gave him the ice for free. He went out to the lawn area of the restaurant and laid on the grass with the ice packs on his back. He laid there almost the entire recess because he could barely move and was trying to relieve a slight amount of the pain.
    Serendipitously, the judge decided to visit that restaurant to get lunch and the judge saw my dad laying on the field with his face scrunched up in pain. The judge asked my dad if he was okay and my dad explained that he was trying to relieve some of his pain after sitting in court for the few hours. That's what changed the judge's mind. They were using these scumbag's video and pictures of him doing stuff to try to prove he was faking his disability even though he had xrays showing the opposite and doctors diagnosing him with several things, and even though he was in pain while doing the stuff he was recorded doing, pain doesn't always show on picture or video.
    I really hope that they actually discontinued that practice. My dad won his case in 2002 so most of the scumbaggery happened in the 90s. I know that this still happens with certain insurance claims, especially worker's comp. They want to prove that people are "faking" their injuries so they can stop paying out compensation.
    Some people do fake disabilities or injuries for monetary gain, yeah, and fuck those pieces of human trash. Just because some people are garbage, that doesn't mean everyone is faking. You can't claim someone isn't disabled or injured if they're cleaning or playing with their kids or something people can do with disabilities, especially disabilities that don't require a wheelchair or other device that makes someone "appear" disabled which is a stereotype many people have. Many disabilities are invisible to most people and just looking at someone for a short moment isn't enough to tell you whether someone is disabled/injured or not. If you've read my novel, thank for your time!
    Tl;dr: My dad also was spied on and denied disability for 12 years. Seeing a short moment of someone doing something isnt enough to prove whether or not they're disabled or in pain.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin Před 10 měsíci +4

      It’s mind boggling to me. Surely paying someone to go out and spy on a person getting disability is more expensive than the actual disability.

    • @LilyoftheLake14
      @LilyoftheLake14 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Rhewin Right?! 🙃 Lol. Exactly! Even though the government is notorious for quite often spending ludicrous amounts of money on stuff the US doesn't need, but then, at the same time, there are millions of American citizens, including many veterans, that are poor, in poverty, and/or disabled, desperately in need of financial help just to cover their basic needs to survive: shelter, food, & water; then "all the sudden" the government has to "watch their spending," even though they just dropped a billion dollars for a brand new fleet of fighter jets to replace an almost identical fleet that are the exact same model of fighter jets. The only difference being is the new ones are the 2024 models with very few changes, most completely unnoticeable, and the current fleet are the 2023 models and look identical to the 2024 models!
      And the year prior the 2023 jets were also a billion dollars and have barely been flown.
      The government wastes billions of dollars every year to buy military equipment that's barely different from the same equipment the year prior. That's the military industrial complex for you, though. 🙄😒 (I'm not saying all military spending is wasteful because obviously they need to pay soldiers and need to replace broken equipment but trading in tons of perfectly fine equipment every year just to get the newest models is so wasteful.)
      When American citizens, especially any veterans, actually need help with survival, the government can't spare 10-50 million to give super poor, in poverty, and/or disabled Americans, veterans, like $600-$800 a month and instead they flush billions down the drain yearly and don't give a sh*t.
      God, it's so completely infuriating... 😡😡🤬🤬🤬
      P.S. Thank you for reading my novel that is my original comment and my novella that is this comment. lol. 😋 Have a good day! 😊

  • @coocat5840
    @coocat5840 Před rokem +39

    Crazy that these are the same people who have the gall to say that humans are so special and made in god's image and better than every other creature to the point where we were the PURPOSE the universe was created... But they oppose pride, right?

    • @silverwolf2676
      @silverwolf2676 Před 11 měsíci

      Another example of "rules for thee, not for me"

  • @ronniec427
    @ronniec427 Před rokem +191

    Another video where you manage to articulate the problems I had with Christianity. The day that I stopped believing and realized that I no longer had to fear hell or measure my actions and hoping that I was humble and good enough that I would I go to heaven and be told "well done good and faithful servant" was a good day.
    Also this video reminded me of when I led a bible study talking about how to love our neighbor as ourselves meant we should love ourselves because otherwise the bible would say that you should love your neighbor more than you love yourself. As a person who was in a period of disliking/hating myself, that was an important realization at the time. No one challenged me on it but I got a few odd looks and so I looked more into it and found things that said that no, that's not what it means although I can no longer remember their bs justification. You just cannot win with Christianity.

  • @rebeccazegstroo6786
    @rebeccazegstroo6786 Před rokem +64

    I was taught not to toot my own horn so thoroughly that I had a horrible time with job interviews.

    • @nothanks6549
      @nothanks6549 Před rokem +12

      Same. Taking too much credit it thinking of something I did as too good feels incredibly fake to me in interviews. I feel like they can see right through me. 'He doesn't really think he did a good job so he must not have done a good job."

    • @dylldobaggins4594
      @dylldobaggins4594 Před rokem +1

      Yeah but deep down you know you’re amazing, right?
      Good genes and upbringing, nothing to do with an imaginary sky friend. 😉

    • @rowanlavellan9755
      @rowanlavellan9755 Před 5 měsíci +2

      There needs to be a 'big mood' button alongside the thumbs up

    • @phillyphakename1255
      @phillyphakename1255 Před 4 měsíci +3

      I failed out of college because I didn't think I was worthy enough to even ask questions or go to office hours or be in a study group.
      I had plenty of tooting to do, I just couldn't. I was trained not to by my religious upbringing.

  • @kyledilbert6424
    @kyledilbert6424 Před rokem +29

    I do not exactly know why, but the idea of calling someone’s anxieties and insecurities “pride”, and by default a sin, feels so unapologetically evil.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem +9

      Cause it's fucking cruel and sick, that's why

    • @legosi2736
      @legosi2736 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@mariaquiet6211 I completely agree 👍

  • @ZeketheZealot
    @ZeketheZealot Před rokem +35

    I accidentally clicked this notification the second it arrived and I could not be happier

  • @dmofgtown
    @dmofgtown Před rokem +168

    Just wanna say I really appreciate the clips (ie the adult cartoon references or movie clips) you place in your videos to parallel the dumb shit the pastors spout in their sermons! They’re always spot-on, and I can only imagine it takes forever to find the perfect clip. You’re doing the lord’s work, my friend! Lol

    • @witchflowers6942
      @witchflowers6942 Před rokem +14

      “im going to have the most fun of anyone at this party. and im going to do it sober.” i couldn’t stop laughing

  • @pearlroses9341
    @pearlroses9341 Před rokem +15

    I distinctively remember that at a youth conference that they told kids from ages 10 and up that having self esteem ,especially good, was evil and from the devil. That was a turning point for me on deconstructing my families faith.

  • @DevLunar
    @DevLunar Před rokem +19

    I absolutely hate the way churches handle mental illness. The guilt tripping to make people suffering with disorders feel like it's all their fault cause they're sinners is atrocious. When I was struggling I was told all those same things that it's my fault cause Im not good enough even though I was praying and attending every church event to try and please God. At one point I considered killing myself cause I thought I'd never receive mercy as a sinner. Thankfully I decided against suicide though I can't say the same for some other kids at my church. There are people dead and gone cause of shit like this

  • @Alyenbird
    @Alyenbird Před rokem +41

    As Aron Ra put it, "If you have no Pride, you have no Shame, and when you have no Shame, you have no Honor."

    • @dingdongism
      @dingdongism Před rokem +7

      Buddy, have you considered that this statement is a bunch of nonsense?

    • @guts1859
      @guts1859 Před rokem

      @@dingdongism In what way?

    • @dingdongism
      @dingdongism Před rokem +3

      @@guts1859 In every single way. The statement is meaningless. It’s an attempt to sound like, I don’t know, a Hollywood superhero or a layperson’s idea of a philosopher. It doesn’t even make sense.

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před rokem +2

      @@dingdongism When it's stripped of the context of FECKING COURSE it's meaningless. You have to know what Aron Ra means by pride, shame, and honor to give them their context.
      He believes in the hypothesis that morals in human society are a part of social evolution and social regulation, in opposition to people who believe that morals are divine, and the people who believe that morals are objective. I dunno what the name of that philosophy is 'cause I ain't one of those guys, but. That philosophy also informs you that he sees pride, shame, and honor as part of the social mechanisms we humans evolved to work in big groups like ours, like morals.
      You have to start by defining shame in this context: Shame is an internal response to doing something wrong, or thinking you did it wrong. It can be healthy to feel shame, because it's a corrective mechanism. But what happens if you've NEVER felt like your work was good, or that you did good, or that you have worth?
      What happens to shame if you don't even know what being proud of something feels like? Do you know WHAT you did wrong, or do you just start thinking that YOU'RE wrong and start feeling self-hatred and self-loathing instead?
      Honor can mean a lot of things but in this case it would be consistency with your personal ethics and morals. The standards that you strive to meet so that you can feel proud of yourself when you correct what you feel shame for when you fail to meet your standards.
      It's a much longer concept than the punchier sentence, but that's what it means, when you properly unfold it. It's not meaningless so much as extremely condensed.
      (which is a different flaw that's omnipresent in academia, shorthanding into specific words with specific meanings so they lose their context outside of a specific group)

    • @dingdongism
      @dingdongism Před rokem +2

      @@neoqwerty Your lengthy explanation didn't change my opinion of Aron's quote. You must know that despite your context, the words in the quote retain their general standard meaning, right? It's not like your explanation offered brand new understandings of these words. They're the same pride, shame, and honor you'll find in any dictionary. I still find the quote to be obnoxious and an attempt to sound grandiose, while coming off as pretentious.

  • @michiganscythian2445
    @michiganscythian2445 Před rokem +62

    “Everything you have in your hand … God out there.”
    *looks down at half crocheted manatee
    Also had a neighbor who was a very skilled artist and every time someone complimented her, she would say “Oh, that’s not my skill. That’s God, the work belongs to God. He works through me.” The guy that I was dating at the time pointed out that while she was trying to be humble, it came across as the opposite, that God is ignoring all these other problems in the world but is personally working through her while she paints a pheasant.

  • @trikitrikitriki
    @trikitrikitriki Před rokem +114

    Also, a situation that causes one person anxiety may not cause another person to feel anxious. I spend all day every day worrying. Worrying about money, worrying about my job, worrying about my relationship. And yet public speaking? Not an issue. I am a teacher, so I do public speaking every day. And I speak up during meetings. I have spoken on stages with huge audiences. Singing or acting is something else entirely, but when it comes to talking in front of people, I feel zero anxiety. People are different.

    • @merbst
      @merbst Před rokem +3

      I couldn't worry as you do indefinitely. I no longer have a job or a relationship. Now I mostly worry that I might never have one again.
      I had a communication disorder as a child, autism spectrum before such terminology existed, and with every month I continue alone (except for my roomie/dad) I worry because my anxiety about speaking 1 on 1 continues to grow because my awkwardness in job interviews or meeting new people is now a decade past the point when it caused the end of my 15 year career as a data & software architect & engineer.
      Of course the anxiety would go away instantly if I didn't worry that passing for normal in my first impression with an extroverted type-A personality was my only hope to avoid destitution. A day later & I will be able to speak off the cuff & be as charming as I am able to write.

  • @JohanKylander
    @JohanKylander Před rokem +24

    They tend to mistake arrogance for pride.

    • @mariaquiet6211
      @mariaquiet6211 Před rokem

      They know what they're doing. It's on purpose. It has to be at this point.

  • @Superfreak1000
    @Superfreak1000 Před rokem +35

    I legitimately had a visceral reaction to Jimmy Evans. I was a member of his church for more than 20 years. Oof so glad I left

  • @JackieOwl94
    @JackieOwl94 Před rokem +18

    The first thing my abuser did when she saw that I was growing up proud of my work was tear it down and told me that God doesn’t like prideful people. So she went above and beyond that to make sure I had no pride of any kind. It was strategic. And it made the perfect slave.
    Only after I left did I realize she and my father were the hautest bastards I’d ever seen, second only to my own mom-but at least she didn’t hurt her own kids; she just acted like a peacock.

    • @ferretfather2000
      @ferretfather2000 Před rokem +1

      I want to like this comment out of support but I felt the need to expain that so it didnt come off and liking anything negative😅😅🙌SUPPORT!

  • @Azho64
    @Azho64 Před rokem +21

    I always have to laugh at terms like "sin" "pride" "self" like its really a bad thing to take pride in your work,pride in family,pride in community etc.I wont ever be made to feel like Im dirty,nasty and unworthy caused by religion and a narcissistic psychopath called gawd.Once I threw away gulit from "sin" and realized no such thing exists another great video

  • @emotionalagliophilic8623

    I remember around 12-13, literally curled up in a ball crying on the floor while I was screamed at and repeatedly told how selfish and spoiled it was of me to have low self esteem. I remember the whole family doing an intervention style meet up where I was considered prideful for my insecurities. I have diagnosed depression and anxiety, and these religious ideals certainly don’t help family with knowing how to deal with it

  • @dlee112
    @dlee112 Před rokem +133

    Thank you Trevor, again. As I deconstruct, I definitely did not want to be alone in this journey (all my close circles are still evangelical), I am very glad I found your channel.

    • @corndogattheendofthepool
      @corndogattheendofthepool Před rokem +16

      seconded. I'm in the same position, and I really enjoy this channel

    • @lorianabanana6066
      @lorianabanana6066 Před rokem +12

      Atheist community is harder to find, but totally worth it. I know it's easier said than done, but it does exist. Maybe try finding people through a group that focuses on a hobby, especially through the sciences like star gazing. I'm working on it to, but it's a relief to be around people who aren't trying to convert me. But lotsa love on your journey, it's not just you. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @dlee112
      @dlee112 Před rokem +3

      @@lorianabanana6066 Thank you for the kind words. 😊

    • @holstatt6896
      @holstatt6896 Před rokem

      Find an atheist community soon. In my experience, your old friends will shun you like the cultist sheep they are.

  • @TheFastestFireFly666
    @TheFastestFireFly666 Před 7 měsíci +4

    "Pride is not the opposite of shame but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame." ~ Iroh

  • @DarkFleurofIra
    @DarkFleurofIra Před rokem +16

    I've said it once, I'll say it again: these preachers make their deity sound like the one group project member who did none of the work, and yet demands all the credit for some asinine reason

  • @stacie1595
    @stacie1595 Před rokem +32

    Yes! You aren't a broken worthless sick of meat, you are a human figuring it out and doing your best! You deserve love, you can feel proud of the things you've accomplished, and you can feel anxious about the unknown. It's okay! Go out and do the best you can to make the world a better place ✨️

  • @huntermoren8301
    @huntermoren8301 Před rokem +44

    Funny enough, I started making a group of DND characters based on subverting the Seven Deadly Sins. The first one I made was based on Gluttony, but ironically he is super loyal to his patron (he’s a Warlock), so I’m looking forward to how you tackle that one. Anyway, Pride as a sin never made sense to me, but you really put my thoughts to words here. Thanks a ton!

    • @StarshipVGer
      @StarshipVGer Před rokem +2

      Okay, I would love some more details on this please!!

    • @supersoldier64
      @supersoldier64 Před rokem +2

      That’s a really interesting concept

    • @huntermoren8301
      @huntermoren8301 Před rokem +1

      @@StarshipVGerhmmm, well, his name is Musca Linnaeus (from the scientific name for a house fly) and he is a tiefling warlock who is undyingly loyal to his patron. Literally undying, as he reincarnates in a new body every hundred years with his memories intact through pure loyalty power or something (idk it’s dnd). His spells are primarily insect based, like Infestation and Acid Spray. His patron was banished to the Abyss for trying to usurp another devil’s power. Thus, the irony of Musca is he is this loyal to someone who tried to backstab their master the first chance they got. His ultimate goal is to get his master from the Abyss. Alright, well that was a lot, and this reply is months old. Hope you enjoy!

  • @Sam.Wendorf
    @Sam.Wendorf Před rokem +11

    As someone with few real talents, that swell of pride when I get a compliment or help someone with something I'm really good at is one of the best feelings I can experience. I would not give that up for anything.

  • @juand3250
    @juand3250 Před rokem +39

    Even after four years after leaving christianity, I still struggle a lot with my self-worth. I lost a lot of opportunities for not trusting in myself, thank you Jesus!
    Your videos are amazing, I am always looking forward for them. You express your ideas very well.

  • @FlyingKaida
    @FlyingKaida Před rokem +28

    36:50 This is so true. My ex would do this, and worse to me, over a ten year span. They were very narcissistic. In the end I felt like a pathetic, empty shell. I felt like I was worthless and if nothing else, I could at least make them happy. Heck, I know I didn't deserve to be happy. That's what people like that do. And after I got free and continued going to church, I could not help but see them in the scripture. All the manipulation between the pages. "God is like this, but no he's like this. How could you think that" etc etc. I saw the same manipulation and abuse and I could not hold onto my faith. Sure the people are faulty, but His word was supposed to be true, to be loving. And God's own words were as manipulative and hurtful as my ex. Glad I got free.

  • @LPNurja
    @LPNurja Před rokem +10

    "Oh, creator of the universe! Help me find my car keys! Make my favorite sports team win a match!" Sounds like the opposite of humble to me tbh

  • @deadweaselsteve3262
    @deadweaselsteve3262 Před rokem +45

    "Humility is a virtue, especially for people who are wrong all the time." - Dr. Greg House, MD

    • @Wolf-ln1ml
      @Wolf-ln1ml Před rokem +6

      Well, too bad he wasn't virtuous in the least then... Considering that he was wrong far more often than right (always several wrong diagnoses and treatments before he got it right).

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před rokem +1

      @@Wolf-ln1ml on the other hand, there were always cases where the patients were usually not telling him all the info he actually needed. Either they or their loved ones constantly sabotaged diagnostics or overlooked something that they should have told.
      That's very true to real-life doctors' woes btw. (FFS, tell people EVERYTHING if you're in the wee-woo wagon or the ER, even the dumb shit you know you shouldn't have, or that seemingly unrelated "I ate station gas sushi three days ago".)

  • @Reverend_Salem
    @Reverend_Salem Před rokem +20

    about the translation bit:
    the gulf of meaning between "pony play" and "horse play" is the perfect example of why expecting your culture's translation of another culture's ancient texts to be 100% accurate and true to their original intent is dangerous and not a good idea.

  • @FireSeraph007
    @FireSeraph007 Před rokem +20

    Here's one story from my old church days about pride. The cell group I was in did one lesson about grace and the one leading the lesson that day was talking about how since God planned everything, we should never be proud about our accomplishments and decisions. Even the fact that we were Christians and therefore saved by God was something that He had planned in advance. I remember thinking that there was something really, really odd about this particular lesson and that lesson was one that I kept in the back of my mind even to this day because of how contradictory it was.

  • @IraLuxuria
    @IraLuxuria Před rokem +33

    I think the more positive way to encourage humility is to recognise how connected we all are. People are capable of wonderful things and should be proud of their work, but in all likelihood they didn't get to success without any help. Be proud of your work and grateful for the help you've received. Pass on that kindness to others ❤

  • @andreanorby1672
    @andreanorby1672 Před rokem +48

    I hope you feel pride in yourself for these wonderful videos. You are a unique and valuable voice in this space. Thank you for the video.

  • @grumpylibrarian
    @grumpylibrarian Před rokem +11

    "Sheep" is an apt metaphor. They are not naturally defenseless; we bred it out of them. They were purposefully hindered so we could use their bodies for clothing and food.

  • @huffdaddy3845
    @huffdaddy3845 Před rokem +13

    People who think sheep are defenseless have never been rammed by a ram.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 Před rokem

      Ram 🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏♈🐑🐏

  • @lorianabanana6066
    @lorianabanana6066 Před rokem +22

    In my experience, Christains think super highly of themselves and are very prideful. Because they've got it all figured out. They have all the answers, they live the best lives, and their morality is flawless. Therefore they deserve more money/beautiful houses/expensive cars & clothes. They NEVER question themselves or their worth. But only because go makes them worth, not because ALL PEOPLE are inherently valuable.
    Meanwhile as a bi/pan person w alot of LGBT+ friends we are constantly told that we DON'T DESERVE love, pride or self respect. Anyone who is an 'other' doesn't even deserve a roof or food, let alone a good life.
    I don't get it. I question myself all the time. I'm in a constant state of work because I need it lol. I can and need to be better, so I work on it. Including educating & questioning myself. But I still DESERVE love, happiness, food, housing, friends, family, health etc. Because EVERYONE does. And that includes pride & self love. I deserve to get credit for my hard work. We ALL do, reguardless of religion or lack there of.

  • @bethanymatthews7936
    @bethanymatthews7936 Před rokem +11

    I do think this mindset of being so incredibly afraid of being proud kind of destroyed me. I taught myself to tear myself down every time I started getting kind of proud of anything. I had to do everything well, because 'we do everything for God', but could never be proud of it or satisfied with it, because that was pride and that 'leads down the road to destruction'. Now I struggle seeing that I am doing well at anything, and I'm honestly confused and extremely anxious when I get promotions because it feeds my imposter syndrome while simultaneously making my terrified I'm going to get prideful from having my work recognized and let it go to my head and I'll end up being a big arrogant asshole from it...which probably isn't as bad as I fear, but like Trevor said, sometimes anxiety doesn't necessarily have to do with anything real.
    Also, that one pastor says that 'God won't let you succeed in your pride because he didn't let King David succeed in his.' .... so that means that if you succeed you automatically aren't prideful I'm guessing...?

  • @DrWhack
    @DrWhack Před rokem +37

    13:14 The joke about him describing a pastor had me do a double take 😂😂😂 good one

  • @S0namus
    @S0namus Před rokem +16

    This was a very cathartic video for me, so thank you for making it. It took me so long to be *proud* of anything I did after leaving my religion. I grew up loving art and loving to draw, it always hurt when people said "Wow, god has given you such a great talent"... like god was the one who spent hours drawing it lmao.

  • @slinky4113
    @slinky4113 Před rokem +26

    The things you say about desperately believing and grasping at something that isn't there, and about the feeling of relief in letting go is so spot on

  • @billymanilli
    @billymanilli Před rokem +6

    Man... Your story about your dad reminds me of a man who I used to help out by working on his wife and son's cars (I'm a mechanic). He had LEGIT back problems and couldn't work, and the govt was spying on him too. They saw him outside of his house a few times and decided to take away his disability... A few days later, his wife found him hanging in his garage. It really crushed me to find out about that... :(

  • @SulphurFoxx
    @SulphurFoxx Před rokem +16

    11:25 Ah yes of course. I never do feel more prideful and proud of myself when I'm hating myself for who I am

  • @ryanhollist3950
    @ryanhollist3950 Před rokem +10

    Although my church was horribly harmful in many ways, the topic of pride was handled fairly well overall. When I was growing up the top leader at the time really leaned in about pride, but he kept it fairly well defined. He defined sinful pride as putting ones self worth above others, or devaluing the inherent worth of others. We never were told that any use of the word "pride" was a sin, only in particular ways.

  • @ktmggg
    @ktmggg Před rokem +5

    I was raised in the Jehovah's Witness religion where pride was the greatest of evils. The feeling inculcated by the church was you were a worthless worm, without faith of course, and only through faith can you be one of the 144,000 that will be saved. But don't ever be proud of your good works and strong faith because that will kick you out the running to be one of the 144,000. Even though I left the church at age 13 it took me many years before I could feel a sense of pride in achieving something for myself.

  • @jakeking3859
    @jakeking3859 Před rokem +27

    My mum sent me just this morning a guy who wrote a book about something Jesus related. It was about the prophecies in the bible, and he was talking about his own journey in discovering how it was all "true". I have no idea what he was talking about, really. It seemed like a bunch of nonsense. But he said something along the lines of "God doesn't make mistakes", and it made me so mad because of all the abuse excused and perpetuated using his name. I know she'll never stop trying to convince me. Its just so aggrivating that she's bought so hard into it.

  • @princessolmeca2933
    @princessolmeca2933 Před rokem +13

    They don't understand human psychology or social psychology. Being proud of yourself is not a bad thing. Taking pride in doing something you didn't have the courage or skill to do, for example, is a completely normal emotional reaction. In fact, having pride in yourself is a sign of a fairly healthy mental state. Too many religious denominations lump pride in with arrogance, which is unhealthy and is an overabundance of pride. It's so important and necessary to understand the difference between the two so more innocent people don't get fooled by the lie that being confident in yourself will cause you to burn for all eternity.

  • @anotherwofartist5895
    @anotherwofartist5895 Před rokem +3

    As an agnostic who’s forced to go to church, I feel so bad for anyone who truly believes what these pastors say. I can’t imagine being proud of a drawing and how far I’ve come and having a pastor’s voice in the back of my head saying that I’m being prideful. It sounds terrible, and I really hope people are able to still feel happy with themselves after listening to all of this.”

  • @TheTsugnawmi2010
    @TheTsugnawmi2010 Před rokem +17

    My father told me that pride isn’t the problem, it’s arrogance and vanity. I’d go a step further and add insecurity and entitlement.
    Arrogance, entitlement, insecurity and vanity are the things that lead to the other deadly sins or antisocial behaviours. Being proud of yourself, your loved ones or your work is not a moral failure.

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před rokem

      I'd swap insecurity for *inferiority complex* . I'm insecure, but not in a way that makes me angry and pissy and lash out at people, just in that sad pathetic way where I'll deprive myself of doing anything fun when someone might judge me for it because that's what I learned happen when I talk about my passions and hyperfixations with the wrong crowds or in the "wrong ways", and if I try to show my stuff and get rebuffed in anything but the most gentle way I just feel like something inside me withers and dies and I just want to crawl somewhere and cry enough my nose clogs up with snot for the rest of the night.
      Insecure is *very* much not causing the other bad things, it just makes people lonelier and more humiliated.

    • @F1areon
      @F1areon Před rokem

      The issue here though is that the preachers in these videos see no difference between "pride", "arrogance", "vanity", etc. It's all the same thing to them.

  • @smi7118
    @smi7118 Před rokem +22

    I feel like lust would be an interesting topic for the next deadly sins episode.

  • @user-fi3iy7lh3e
    @user-fi3iy7lh3e Před 11 měsíci +3

    "if you're just proud of your smile... thats okay" made me tear up

  • @genesismyers9732
    @genesismyers9732 Před rokem +15

    I have been out of my fundy christian ways for about 6 years now and I've been struggling with trying not to be arrogant or proud, but also feel proud of myself and falling back into my old thought patterns. This really helps, please keep doing what youre doing ♥️

  • @TheDawn15
    @TheDawn15 Před rokem +31

    As a pansexual, transwoman I say this: I am the embodiment of Pride. I am very prideful and I am very proud of who I am!

  • @megstoriches
    @megstoriches Před rokem +47

    It is so apparent how much work goes into each and every one of your videos. They are so well done, so well put together, you articulate your thoughts beautifully, but most of all your ability to be vulnerable is so admirable. It is one of the most difficult things a person can do and I, and so many of your followers, see it, appreciate it, and value it. Wishing you a wonderful 2023 and thank you so much for your content.

  • @justanotherleftie
    @justanotherleftie Před rokem +3

    This is one of the things that chased me out of church. This whole thing Any error is my fault, but any good is God's doing. I was made to feel like a failure of a vessel for God.

  • @TheTylerHuskins
    @TheTylerHuskins Před rokem +7

    The whole "You deserve credit for that thing you worked hard for because God was the one that allowed it to happen" shit always annoys me. Even when I was a Christian growing up, it was always something I hated. As a kid, I never got to celebrate an accomplishment as my own.
    Now I am free of that shit and I get to be proud of what I do and the fact I worked hard to be able to do it.

  • @jaykay4137
    @jaykay4137 Před rokem +8

    30:53 I went through the same thing, and I couldn't have explained it any better myself. But the second I started taking credit for my own successes and responsibility for my own failures, things got noticably better. My self worth improved. I took action when I failed rather than trusting a wizard in the sky to fix everything for me.

  • @CrazyDavecorp
    @CrazyDavecorp Před rokem +7

    When I'm telling somebody about a field of interest I'm well informed enough it's not about how I want to be looked up to, it's not a job interview. It's literally just because I find the information fascinating and like sharing knowledge

  • @hobojoe4910
    @hobojoe4910 Před rokem +5

    The fact that someone stalked Trevor and found the phone numbers of his family members just to tell them they were proud of Trevor is either the most wholesome or the most hilarious thing I have seen today.

  • @MisterTutor2010
    @MisterTutor2010 Před rokem +4

    It's just as much a sin to think too little of yourself as it is too much of yourself.

  • @blightchip4236
    @blightchip4236 Před rokem +8

    When I moved out of my moms place because she was trying to force me to go to church I told her no and that was when I told her I was an atheist and when I grabbed my high school diploma to pack it up she snatched it from and said “God earned this and you can’t take it with you” that’s when I knew that hardcore Christians were a lost cause

    • @micosstar
      @micosstar Před rokem

      did you got it back?

    • @vi0let831
      @vi0let831 Před rokem

      Damn ngl you shoulda said something like "it's MY diploma, not GOD'S diploma. It doesn't say his name on here, does it?" Lol

  • @itsv1380
    @itsv1380 Před rokem +53

    You’re vids are amazing, it’s ironic but your insights are really a god send.

  • @sherilynm9271
    @sherilynm9271 Před rokem +12

    Commenting for the algorithm!! I had anxiety and depression since I was a preteen and honestly the church only added guilt and shame to that which made it worse. :))))))))))) Now I'm in my late thirties and deconstructing. WHAT A WILD TIME TO BE ALIVE. I'm enjoying this series, Trevor! Happy new year!!!

  • @migoreng7789
    @migoreng7789 Před rokem +8

    these videos helped me so much with dealing with the guilt, i don't feel that bad about leaving the church anymore. thank you

  • @Sxcheschka
    @Sxcheschka Před rokem +6

    Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood has taught me many things, and in that the seven deadly sins are natural things that humans have, but too much of any of them are harmful. I'm proud that I am 60 days sober off of nicotine. I'm proud that I have a job that I love, family that I love, friends that I love. I'm proud that I am not someone who is fooled by harmful thoughts like these that put me down and makes me depressed and want to cope dangerously.

  • @Your_Eden
    @Your_Eden Před rokem +4

    When I was still in school I remember our teachers telling us that we should be grateful to even be walking, thinking or breathing thanks to God. It was always enforced that nothing we did was ours, except our sins or things we did wrong.

  • @nervousbreakdown711
    @nervousbreakdown711 Před rokem +10

    Reminds me of when I was told having depression is a sin

  • @antoniolewis1016
    @antoniolewis1016 Před rokem +7

    34:00 I never understood this metaphor of "the lord is my shepherd". Yeah, a sheep without a shepherd is lunch - but a sheep with a shepherd is still dinner.

    • @monsignorerasmus.6441
      @monsignorerasmus.6441 Před rokem

      I find it VERY hard to believe that you didnt understand "The lord is my Shepherd" unless you suffer from multiple concussions.

    • @antoniolewis1016
      @antoniolewis1016 Před rokem +6

      @@monsignorerasmus.6441 yes, jesus is going to eat us all in the end. There's a reason hell is very hot and heaven is full of veggies and on top of it.

    • @monsignorerasmus.6441
      @monsignorerasmus.6441 Před rokem

      @@antoniolewis1016 make sure theres garlic
      Also i took out the insult.
      From my last comment.
      Hey dude i would like to apologize.
      I thought you were a fundie.
      And fundies piss me off
      I am a douchebag occasionally.

  • @csweezey18
    @csweezey18 Před rokem +10

    8:37 And who's to say people don't take selfies using bears? Huh? YOU CAN'T STOP ME!

    • @crisdekker8223
      @crisdekker8223 Před rokem +3

      ... the right of the people to bear selfies, shall not be infringed!

    • @mirandarensberger6919
      @mirandarensberger6919 Před rokem +1

      I'm pretty sure it's been done, and probably ended badly.

  • @EmmaAndEmmaAndEmma
    @EmmaAndEmmaAndEmma Před rokem +13

    On separate occasions, both my ex-BF and my religious dad told me that my social anxiety (which was also closely tied to my depression and low self-esteem) was a sign of pride because I was caring too much about what others thought of me. Like WELP, thanks for making me feel even worse about myself! 🙃

  • @FireVixen164
    @FireVixen164 Před rokem +5

    Trevor should be very proud of his fantastic work communicating important concepts to people who need to hear it!

  • @TulilaSalome
    @TulilaSalome Před rokem +3

    It's sort of funny, self portraits were among the first photos of people ever taken, and before that, artists painted self portraits. Now that everyone takes them via phone camera, we have shortened the name to selfie, and somehow we should believe this makes it a new phenomena that is somehow notable, in itself.