BEST WINTER WAGON - VW Golf R Estate or SEAT Leon Cupra ST?
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In this video released on the first day of meteorological winter, I consider whether the Mk7.5 Golf R Estate is a better winter wagon than the SEAT Leon Cupra R Estate. Having owned one of the last 7.5 Golf R Estates, I'd often wondered if I'd bought the wrong car and in this video I find out if I had once and for all.
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Design of the Leon is far more interesting than the Golf, it'd be my choice
1 minute in and it’s Cupra already. Such a better looking car.
Got this exact car . Came from a Gti Mk7 pp . Needed an estate as now have two retired greyhounds and they fit in the back of the Cupra comfortably . Had the car for nearly two years . You are right, it does about 34mpg but on a motorway you can touch a genuine 40mpg. Cheap to service and very reliable. Running it on Hankook winter tyres, at moment ,as live on North Yorkshire moors . Over the last week we have had storm Arwen with snow and ice. Car/ tyres were a match to the conditions and never got stuck even on steep hills. Best to run it in Sport. I have used Cupra once or twice and didn’t like it at all.
How is the car holding up? I've a mk7 Gti as well and looking at these due to my dog too! 😂 😂
@@michaelgilligan165 It’s still going well no problems at all . Fingers crossed as always !
I have a Cupra ST R, and I believe it is superrior to the Golf, but between a standard Cupra ST (like this in the video) and a R variant, id choose the Golf.
Golf R. Estate for me all day long. 👍🧐
Leon St cupra ftw, would love one of these but with a pan roof.
My 2020 hatch doesn’t have the lux pack but has cruise and lumbar as standard, strange the st doesn’t 🤔. Good review, wouldn’t mind a drive of the st as a comparison, need to sort that. 👍
I was going to go for a golf r estate but I've got a 1.5 fr leon estate and looks wise it's just a lot better. I'm probably going to land a facelift cupra next year but I want the fr black edition Wheels if they fit as I love them over the standard cupra st 300 wheels
Great comparison video Andrew. Many thanks. I'm curious as to the brake cooling on the Cupra, due to the addition of the front fog lights, something that is missing on the Golf R. Is there better air ducting on the Cupra to cool the discs? The Cupra slightly better looking, but thats offset by the loss of boot space. Surprised with the 'LUX' pack that it does not have a pan-roof. I think for now I will stick with my Golf R estate. But saying that, the Cupra Estate R does have a degree of wallet tugging appeal. Be safe matey.
The cooling for the brakes is the same. The fog lights are small. The grills are big. But, in these cars, golf and leon, you have radiators in these side grills. Water aux cooler in one side, and water to oil dsg cooler in the other side.
I have this exact car... but in hatchback form lol. I think If I were to need 4wd, this is the car I'd go to.
I’d rather the Cupra, more rare and better value….but my winter wagon would be a Subaru Forester STI 😉
I test drove the Cupra estate and I didn't think it drove quite as nicely as the Golf R wagon
The Golf just felt like it turned in a bit more sharply
I'm surprised about the noise on the motorway. At least there's less chance of it getting nicked
Beautiful car that! 😍 I did look longingly at the coppery R ABT versions for a while….. hmmmm
I went another route and got the octavia vRS estate and had that remapped, engine and gearbox, minus the 4X4 i think it was a competitive alternative if cost was the factor.
Shame they never did a vRS 4x4 as other models had it, did they ever get that in Europe as UK was slow to get a Leon with 4drive?
@@volkswizard no the octavia and new one is FWD unfortunately , they do a superb in 4x4 with the newer 245bhp gpf i believe.
I looked at the cupra but settled for the octavia as i couldnt find a reasonably priced version due to current climate.
Didn’t they do a vrs 2.0tdi in 4 wheel drive? I was contemplating one but can’t remember if I saw it correctly…
@@jordanplatt3916 yes but thats the gtd engine at 185bhp, i meant the petrol one would be cheaper alternative to the golf r and cupra but compareable with stage 1 remap n TCU tune if you had dsg.
Another mqb car , vrs is ok but surprisingly underpowered for the top of the range model , should have been 280 bhp standard , same as the superb l&k , I was looking at all these as I worked for skoda and now Vw , octavia vrs interiors are incredibly dull and old fashioned in my option and I found the seats to wear crazy fast for a Vwag vehicle , and the golf r seem to be every other car on the road so I decided to buy a Leon cupra 290 dsg , love it to bits , do agree cupra mode is just to much but I love comfort mode with dcc works really well .
As a Mk 7.5 Golf R Estate owner, that's a particularly interesting video!
I can totally understand the appeal of that Leon Cupra - more standard equipment, for one thing.
The road noise: my R Estate has 19" Spielbergs with Continental tyres - I find them to be pretty quiet (perfectly acceptable on a long & boring motorway/dual carriageway drive). They are noticeably better than my old Mk7 GTD hatch on 19" Santiagos with Pirelli Pzero tyres (noticeable tyre noise).
I'd agree that a standard spec R Estate isn't worth £5k more than that Cupra, definitely. However, used Golf Rs seem to be grossly overpriced - some of those prices are pretty close to what I paid for mine new (last year - 20 plate)....and mine has near £4k worth of options too🤣.
I noticed that the Leon has no upgraded sound system either (I'm not 100% sure what, if any, was available) - something like the Dynaudio system is a minimum for me, but I guess you could go "aftermarket" with the Cupra.
The seats might look sporty, but I'm not sure they're better - the lumbar support is good (the performance 7/7.5 Golfs had that as standard, I'm sure) - the R seats look plainer, but they are comfy - my middle aged back survived a recent near 700 mile run without any backache! Easier to hook the rear seat "hammock" type cover for my dog onto the Golf seats as well.
The load bay is a great point - we recently did exactly what you said, an IKEA trip! I seriously doubt what we bought would have fitted into the Cupra with the "swoopy" tailgate.
Great content, as always though 👍
Hi Andrew. Good video as always.
Seat allow ABT options, yet my VW warranty is invalid if I fit OEM parts that are better than standard fit on my Mk8 GTI?
I put the 7.5 opf exhaust on my 2019 cupra st. Direct fit sounded great like ur 7.5 estate did. The 7.5 opf estate exhausts sounds somewhere in the middle of Pre opf with a res delete.
I always think of Tesco’s own brand beans as the Seat and Heinz for the VW 🤔
Great stuff Andrew 👍
Thanks Andrew👍
Cupra R ST is the best of the bunch if you are looking for a sporty practical estate and Rare
Honest review! I would choose the Golf R over the Leon Cupra because of the build quality. Yes the Cupra is a bit cheaper, and has the same performance, but to be honest the Leon looks very basic and there aren't any sporty details available on the body, where the Golf does have the high gloss parts.
It's true there is something a big Lidl about the Mk3 Leon interior but I was in a 7.5R with cloth the other day and it wasn't that much better. Facelift Mk3 Leon got some gloss black which pre-facelift didn't get but it's still not a Mk7/7.5 rival inside - and no, the stupid copper bits don't help that either :)
Just bought one of these other day in mystery blue running stage two 430bhp it’s an absolute weapon, coming from a megane 275 trophy which I owned for 8 years. Quick question do all these come with the sat nav on the front dash board as mine does not show it
Nav on the cluster? Hmm well if you have the digital dash then yes (from 2018), might be that the nav is on the infotainment screen which means it can't be on the cluster simultaneously - not 100% SEAT restrict that but VW certainly do on the standard equipment.
@@volkswizard sorted it thank you had to hold the button in to change the view which gives you three different ones 👌
For some reason the ST GPF Leon Cupra comes with more resonators/mufflers than the GPF hatch. The GPF hatch I have pops and bangs strangely loud.
That's weird isn't it because it's the opposite for the Golf R? I'd thought of all of them the Cupra should be louder than the R because it's a SEAT and they are allowed to be a bit more exuberant
@@volkswizard It's really very complicated, there's a lot more variation than you'd expect for what are meant to be the same underpinnings
The stock is really-really quiet with the OPF, have driven the hatch and I have an estate i must say that the hatch was louder. Fitted mine with a Remus GPF back with carbon tips and it helped a lot, very nice and loud pops and bangs and crazy dsg farts.
Pretty sure Cupra R ABT was 350bhp not 365. Also heard from a few owners that they were only making 320bhp on rolling roads
That is pretty much true, ABT is a hoax! Hence I bought the one without the AB T kit, and went full Racingline Stage 1+. Does 368ps / 495 NM on the rolling road Dragy is 4,17 0-100 and 10,18 100-200. Runs circles around the ABT cars!
My dad came out of a mk 7 golf r for an ABT factory tuned Cupra. The Cupra is far more interesting and faster but that’s likely the ABT tune
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Hi Andrew, are you doing calendars this year?
Great review of the VAG parts bin special albeit the Octavia vRS estate is just ace and my fave smallish VAG estate - love the Cupra flair and value and a new Cupra 300 estate with Abt tune now that would be fabulous- stay warm it looks very chilly 🥶 - looking forward to the Golf mk8 R estate 👍
I’ve got the exact same car as they were bargain lease deals before the 🦠 love it but if I were to buy one it would be the golf all day for 30k you could get a really too spec gti that I’m sure would be more fun to drive
Will at vrs northampton was driving a cupra hatch which was 4wd converted. I would have a cupra over a golf. A lot better looking car.
Of course
Hear in France the seat badge has got a better image. Golf r's are so often young dealers choice.
Here the image is a bit whiffy for both cars but at least the Leon can blend in more as it’s quite plain to look at. Plus there is no signature colour like Lapiz blue
Heated seats are not standard sadly :)
Please try an R. I've been tempted by one for some time. Should of got one before the crazy prices hit.
Worth going for the R. Had one a year and managed to trade it for 3k more than I bought it for. The alcantara wheel lifts the interior and the RS3 brakes are really impressive. The additional copper on the outside and the wheels make it look a lot more aggressive as does the lower ride height.
@@clapham4life I was offered a new one with ABT for £31,500 in 2019. So paying current prices of £36,000 or more for a used one on 15,000 miles is a bitter pill to swallow.
@@Scott555ish that was a good offer! With hindsight I be you wished you had gone for it. I paid £31,000 for mine with non ABT and 136 miles in June last year. It had been sat locked away since January that year. What will you do, wait and hope price drops? My old one still hasn't been shifted and it's been up for sale well over a month now
@@clapham4life probably sit it out and see what prices do. Where is yours for sale ? Although I'd prefer ABT even if I end up pulling the tuning box out later on.
The seat has got big breaks in option.
I’m looking at 1.5tsi150bhp versions of each of these cars. Looking at approx 15-18k. I can get a newer car for the same price with the seat but I do like the golf estates active cruise control. Keep finding I’m missing out on dual zone climate with used golfs which having now got a car without it (a diesel Leon ST) I did like having this and would like it back. Have you tried these and is the golf worth the extra? Am I right in thinking with the golf I’d have an independent rear and with the Leon it would still be torsion beam? How much difference does that make. And finally is the 150bhp car significantly faster than the 130bhp one?
Yep Leon independent beam, noticeable but not a deal breaker, 150 is the engine to go for (quicker no loss in economy), agree on the adaptive cruise it’s the only thing I miss on my leon ST, I believe some other specs exfellence?! Also have adaptive it’s a rarity compared with the golf though sadly
@@tomfisher5410 I just got a golf estate 1.5 litre 150bhp, 2020 last of the mark 7.5s. Engine is nice and ride quality is definitely better than my old Leon ST 1.6tdi SE. Biggest difference is the engine. Less economical but much more refined and punchy.
Golf R wins because it has a sunglasses holder 😆
Great review Andrew. I seriously looked at the Leon Cupra Estate but ended up settling on the Golf R Estate in the end. I think both great cars and very little in it. I considered the Leon based on how much additional spec you would get for your money and it's a little more sporty to look at but ultimately it was the VW badge (future residuals) and general interior quality that swung it for me. I didn't do too bad on spec for my Golf either as it was a run-down of the 7.5 it came with Dynaudio, climate screen, reverse camera and the black pack (black roof rails and wing mirrors).
Went through the same dilemma and went with the R with the same options as you…if the ABT had less bronze ‘additions’ it would’ve been first choice, overall the R estate is that bit nicer on the inside..
Thanks for, as always, a great video! Nice cars but cant’t wait to drive the Mk8 R Variant…
6:47 With all due respect, what about the cheap plastics on the lower part of the Golf's door cards? Are the Golf's cheap plastics any softer?
On 7.5 Golf the plastic quality is superior, not softer, just a nicer grain/texture.
I went with the Golf due to having a better boot which was the whole reason I wanted an estate, the Cupra does look better! Had my R 3.5 years now and still love it. Add a little tune and it's one hell of a family car.
Cupra... Good looking car
Yes indeed Gary, it's nice but can't help thinking wheels could be better
How many 650b mountain bikes can you get in each ?😆 Noticed you still managed to get a sneaky smutty 1 liner in even in this video 👍😆
That wasn't even sneaky! That came about because I wanted to describe Joe Achilles' driving on track but couldn't really use that so this opposite term was slightly more palletable but really shouldn't have been committed to film, I don't think Autocar would use it :)
@@volkswizard that’s why I watch your films not vanilla auto car ones 😆😆
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Tiredness recognition-
It monitors driver behaviour closely - noting any erratic steering wheel movements and lane deviations, for example - so it can judge the moment that you are starting to feel sleepy and need to stop. It also continually evaluates traffic signals on the road when you are driving at speeds of more than 40mph. and works out when it's time to take a break.
Basically it pings a message on the dash with an acoustic warning to tell you when it’s time to take a break, from experience usually after a certain time has elapsed at moderate-high speed driving.
Best would be a Cupra Formentor VZ2... ;)
Fab car a frie nd owns one. Lovely seats, trim and he has electrical valve Controller at the push of a button.
It's the cupra all day long for me, however I'd hunt around for the ABT variant the 7.5 Golf R estate is to boring by comparison.
SEAT looks so much better than the MK8 R estate.
Do you mean the new Leon as the car in video is old and out of all of them (new and old Leon and Golf) I'd say it's the best looker
Cupra also has LSD between the front Wheels, the Golf doesnt.
Only in fwd . The awd doesn't have it.
4.9 not 4.7 and to 100km/h not 0-60 mph
Why is that reviewrs always have the bad habbit of referring to plastics as "cheap plastics". Funny, because, no matter which car it is, in their mouth, its always "cheap plastics".
this is not the newest seat
That's made clear in the video when I show a pic of the new model which is called Cupra now (so actually this is the newest Seat Leon Cupra there ever will be as they are Cupra Leon from now onwards)
Hi Andrew...scirocco 2.0 tsi 2008 £3000. 125k good nick....yah or nay.equivelent golf double the money.no brainer or no brains? I'm tempted although told its a tad thirsty..many thanks 👍
That’s a lovely car
Spend 20 minutes talking about which is best and don’t really answer the question. And then say you would buy something else instead!
Maybe it wasn't as clear as it could have been but unlike when new the used price is quite different and I did say there is no way I'd pay £5k more for a Golf R Estate over the Cupra. I felt it was worth mentioning the Cupra R Estate as for £5k it's easily superior to both of them
Happy to share my R Estate if you need a comparison again.
If it’s got a soft touch dashboard, I’ll have it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They both have so couldn't split them on that!
The next video isn’t going to be about a Porsche by any chance is it?
When is it coming 2 America???😈🇱🇷
Pretty sad all you care about is a badge,
Like you said it yourself they are the same car
Seat all day
VW is not aspirational . That’s Audi S3 and RS3
It may not have the glow it once had in the 80s due to all the cheap PCP deals but it's still seen as a premium brand and therefore still has an element of aspiration associated with it. Sure Audi is even more aspirational but there are many less desirable brands than VW
@@volkswizard don’t get me wrong 😑 I drive VW for past 25 years , stepped down from a A3 1.4 TFSI SE to a T Cross to get out out the Audi after 5 years and 90 000 Km of mechanical ⚙️ trouble that cost Audi to fix. It’s just that the ownership proposition are different in my part of the world 🌍 3 year leases are reserved for true luxury brands
volswizard seems to be defecting from vw by his recent videos, andrew stop slagging off vw golf r your channel will never grow if you keep doing this!