Apple Pencil Pro... Pro Artist Review: A Tech-Bump Hellscape.
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Let's take a deeper look at the new Apple Pencil Pro. And how this new tool bodes for Apple as a professional creative tech company.
The Pencil 'Pro' brings up a lot of questions around artist's tools and how we use them ...And what we should expect from people who make our tools.
Below is an Automagically generated summary to help understand the video and aid search optimisation: (I think it does a pretty good job of summing things up, despite sounding a bit generic)
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Today, I'm looking at the new Apple Pencil Pro. It has some nice technological advancements and new features, but combined with the cost increase, and need to upgrade to a new iPad... it come with a hefty price tag.
Key Questions to Consider
Is it worth it?
Is it actually good?
Could it have been better?
How does this impact our relationship with Apple as artists?
Does this signal a time to get on... or get off, the Apple train... as creative professionals.
I've used iPads and Apple Pencils for years, often as a secondary or tertiary device, with my primary workstation being a PC. Despite some feedback suggesting I might be out of touch with modern mobile lifestyles, I've been using digital tools extensively, even as a digital nomad before it was a trend.
Initial Impressions:
When the first iPad Pro and Apple Pencil were released, I was among the first to buy them. I used them on the road and for various projects, experiencing both their strengths and limitations first-hand.
Features and Improvements:
The new Apple Pencil Pro features haptics, rotational control, and other improvements. While these are upgrades, the question remains: is it truly better? As artists, we adapt to our tools, whether they’re cutting-edge or not. Features like hover, which has been around on other devices for years, may not drastically change the user experience.
Fundamental Issues:
The Apple Pencil Pro is still not as ergonomically friendly as other tools. It's sleek but can be awkward to draw with. Despite improvements, it lacks major functionalities compared to older styluses from other brands. The design feels more like a spec bump than a genuine enhancement for artists.
Relationship with Apple:
Apple's focus on sleek, consumer-friendly design doesn't always align with the needs of professional artists. Tools should prioritize functionality and utility over aesthetics. The shiny, minimalist design ethos often disconnects from the messy, hands-on reality of artistic work.
Conclusion:
Is the new Apple Pencil Pro better? Yes, but it might not be enough. As artists, we need tools that truly support our creative process. This product feels like a step forward, but still not the leap we need. Let me know your thoughts in the comments.
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What do you think here?
Expect more? Or just accept the scraps of 'progress'?
I agree. We use tools we have available. But that doesn't mean those tools make us pros...make us better. It's a different tool is all.
25+ year professional artist here. Currently an exclusive artist with DC Comics. While my opinion isn’t worth anymore than Tim’s, I will say that I love drawing with the Apple Pencil. And I don’t even use a screen protector or nano texture. Also, I have no difficulty activating the squeeze function with my natural pencil holding grip.
Totally fair and cool to know. 😊
Definitely not near your level of experience but I second drawing without a screen protector. I’d rather have the nice screen not dulled by a matte protector than have the slight texture any day
Would you say it’s worth upgrading from the Apple Pencil 2 on m2 iPad Pro?
OMG thank you for dropping truth on the apple pencil. I thought i was the only one that didnt feel like the tilt is usable on apple pencil, while most people only gush over it. I still use pre m1 ipad pro and it works great for fun sketching and painting, i love it, but bluetooth pencil is not pc stylus and keyboard level yet.
The more I think about this thing the more I feel strongly it's just not that great. It was ok until they slapped 'Pro' on it, but now the gloves are off. Keep in mind I use the ipad + pencil almost everyday for something or another... but I just find it hard to imagine using it to draw 8 hours a day. The ergonomics are no joke when you are drawing a lot on deadline, I find that having different Wacom pens with different grips helps a lot to avoid RSI style issues. Using darker softer pencils has also helped with general hand health for me. Anything not ideal is just not really suited for long term use. It's not 'Pro'...
Agreed, it's a serious problem. The pen digitizers are still best at selection edits and notetaking - even though they are marketing these things for professionals to draw on, the range of options for making really precise marks is just not there, especially not with Apple. But I think Wacom and others aiming for the professional market also have work to do to make something that actually gets results like, e.g., a calligraphy pen.
As it is, the digital drawing workflow just makes me frustrated by how much it turns into "racing against the machine" - zooming in to correct smaller details and adding more layers to create your lighting. The software doesn't say no, so you can just add more and more and more to meet the spec bump. But that doesn't result in anything like the commercials where the artist "swings a paintbrush and something appears" - it's more work, not less. You get more spontaneity by using real watercolors than any software emulation.
Drip feed the upgrades to keep people buying, like in pharmaceuticals, it doesn’t make good business sense to cure - long term treatment is a lot more profitable. Like you alluded to in the video, we have the perfect pencil and paper like drawing surface, they’re called pencils and paper. I do love my 2020 iPad Pro though 😅
I feel like I should get this thing because I have a m1air and feel like it's more compatible and it will seemlessly work together. What do you think about this mind set and does it matter?
I put a Dave Finch style pencil gripper on my Apple Pencil to help with ergonomics.
I never really comment, but I found this to be an excellent review cause it pumps my brakes on "i need more tools" it makes me really think WHY do i need these tools. You make great points! Thank you
I think more people should consider, getting high quality pen table products, even if they could afford screen products. My friends who are young artist/students, do not really consider pen table as option. They consider it as inferior option, which I do not agree.
And I 100 percent agree on "apple pencil" is apple's art and it's their design. And their design is keep getting in my ways when I went to make "my art".
So true. Something like the ipad is so unergonomic to me after using a pen tablet at a desk for years. Its so much more comfortable to sit in a nice chair, looking straight ahead at a monitor while drawing on my desk without having to hunch over a screen. I really only realized this once i started using the iPad and couldn't paint for more than an hour or two continuously.
My old ipad pro from 2018/19 was transformative to me, but it took me a few years for it to click. Ready for an upgrade and I'm so excited.
This is the kind of discussion and meaningful conversation I came to this channel for. Thank you
I have a cintiq 24 and barley use it only for certain project. The iPad Pro is what I chose most of the time for work. Putting a sleeve on the Apple pencil and it's good to go!
what sleep do you like?
It's awesome to hear you give context to how you DO in fact get the mobile, on the go lifestyle. It's great to have you dismantle that before giving your full review. I hope people take what you're saying more seriously!
It's very important when I'm doing commercial marketing work with my work station in my studio, I still unscrew the cap on a can of nice smelly Turpentine . . . . because it's my STUDIO!!
Lol
I’m working on ipad pro professionally for few years now, and I think there’s nothing better than apple pencil. But! New pencil (pro version) looks like just the same thing for more money x)
It’s odd that they randomly slapped the Pro name onto it when the upgrades it got over the regular one were ones it naturally should have gotten. Plus they opened themselves up to way more scrutiny by bringing “Pro” into it for no reason lol
I have the Apple Pencil 2 and it works great for me. It was a huge improvement from the Apple Pencil 1 due to the wireless charging method and because of the matte surface and a flat side for better grip. Adding a sleeve makes the grip even better, though.
@@DafSpi yes, but we’re talking about the newest version of apple pencil called Pro. I agree that wireless pencil is awesome
@@Vestele8 The Apple Pencil 'Pro' seems to similar to the Apple Pencil 2 and not revolutionarily new, just with a few little more features. Apple Pencil 2+ would have been a more appropriate name.
@@DafSpiI would not call barrel rotation little. Or well it depends. Some people find the tilt feature a meh.
For me it the four legs of the drawing table.
Position precision: draw where I put the pen with little parallax.
Pressure.
Tilt
Barrel rotation.
You need all if you want to mimic the feeling and behavior of a real pen.
Personally I’m very happy with my Apple Pencil 2. It’s the best stylus I have ever used personally but I understand that preferences are different for everyone. I started my digital art journey with a good old iPad 3 and Wacom Intuos Creative Stylus 2, then an old 2009 Bamboo drawing tablet which I plugged in on my laptop, then I got a 2017 iPad pro with the OG Apple Pencil and now I have the 2022 iPad Pro with Apple Pencil 2. The Apple Pencil Pro doesn’t seem that radically different from the Apple Pencil 2, however. They just could have named it Apple Pencil 2+ and make it also compitable with iPad Pro 2018 - 2022 and not just the 2024 series.
I just got it and it has like a delay on procreate any help? The ink doesnt show up right when i place the pen on the ipad
So what do you use the iPad Pro and Pencil pro for predominantly on a day to day basis?
The main reason I am interested in the new Apple Pencil Pro is because of the barrel role. Thankfully it'll take me a few months to save up for the new M4 with the Apple Pencil Pro and by then hopefully Procreate takes full advantage of the new features of the Apple Pencil Pro.
No fuss tech: Pencil, paper, eraser
I am super pleased with the Apple Pencil Pro, Procreates update will unleash its potential better.
Interesting point, I agree that the pro badge might be misleading, but they had to make it distinguishable from the pencil2, and the new air and pro don't work with the previous version... So it's not just a spec bump, but if you get into the new gen u need to upgrade ur gear... What's dangerous with the pro badge is that someone who has a previous gen iPad might consider getting the new pro pen, and it won't work at all.
Thanks for being level-headed.
All good and fair but there is very little competition for something that light. Being a nomad myself, I just don’t find laptop+tablet comparable, my back was dying all the time before I moved to iPad (I also think Wacom doesn’t have good ethos as well - e.g. drivers problems spun out for decades now). So yeah, might not be the best overall, but probably the best in its category. We also aren’t obliged to upgrade (yet haha) unless they bring out something really good.
For me the draw of the Ipad is the portability which is why I invested in the pro (M2, 2022). Beats having to carry a separate laptop and wacom device any day for convenience since I like being mobile. I'm no "Pro" tho, just a hobbyist.
This. When I was getting my graphic design degree in 2016-2017, I had my MacBook Pro + a Wacom I had to lug around. Then I got the first gen iPad Pro + the pencil and it was a GODSEND.
Obviously a Cintiq will give a better experience but you know what you’re not going to do with a Cintiq? Take it to class, or to work, or anywhere besides whatever desk you sit it on for it to live on perpetually lol
do you have some kind of procreate beta version? because the public one is very buggy and laggy
I bought a top-tier M1 iPad in 2021, because I wanted the ability to facial mocap and learn some 3D modeling in Nomad. Ironically, I've done almost none of either, but it did help me take up drawing again. I like it, and I'm gkad i have it but I wouldn't buy another.
If I were ro buy a tablet for art, I'd try the Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, which uses a Wacom type pen and has rave reviews, then take the money I saved and buy Nvidia stock this summer after it splits. 😂
hello, does anyone have issue with apple pencil pro battery last like 1 hour long? I've been looking for informations on the internet, yet no one has raise any concern regarding this.
such a refreshing take and thanks for touching on planned obsolescence
I get it, not pro enough for you but for a lot of us.. Its great!!!
Exactly what he illustrated with the truck and car analogy. But that is the thing, he is reviewing the products for the professionals, the people that need the "truck".
as an artist who manly uses the ipad pro i see your point but my pc is old and my 2018 ipad pro is old too but the ipad is way better at art then my pc am consantly suprised of my ipad as a work ool and i can imagine how this one will last and be useful and love the content Tim.
Excellent video. You’ve managed to articulate the discomfort I feel when I’m using my iPad Pro and pencil (previous gen). It’s just not comfortable to draw on (for me), even when ‘in theory’ it’s everything I should want. I think I was subconsciously beating myself up for not conforming to the technology when it’s the technology that should be conforming to me! I think part of the problem is the iPad is trying to be everything, while something like an intuos tablet does just one thing but does it really bloody well.
What computer do you have as your main pc?
Still waiting for my 32” iPad.
Non artist and just using the pen to draw random stuff when I am bored, I got the M4 and pro pencil, mainly because my last apple last for 10 years so I see it as a proper investment
Awesome, yeah I think it's actually a great tool for people who just want to draw around a bit. Opens up a lot of creative possibilities.
I agree that it is a bit strange that they didn't change the actual look and feel of the new pencil at all, instead of just adding internal tech.
I do hear people often saying the apple pencil is great I'm professional and use it ect but I think you are on to something here, and as you said artists will adapt to what they use but the argument still remains that the pencil itself is still inferior in basic ways to something like a wacom pen, yeah artists can use it and some prefer it but still you see in alot of professional studios all they have is wacoms and alot of professionals prefer using those during the long hours they work during the day but why? i think because wacom makes the tools specifically for artists. Large working areas with pens designed with the artist in mind, and the ergonomics that would suite that kind of work. I think the ipad displays are great and it is nice to have something like that to draw but at the same time when i draw long sessions which I always do daily I just prefer that extra comfort I get from the wacom pens and also the larger working areas they offer aswell as the way the screens feel to draw on. and if you do draw alot all the time the small little details of the tools like that start to really add up alot more.
I can never get used to this plastic thing taping on hollow glass. And the battery... And Bluetooth...
So i really like the new M4 ipad with nanoglass . However, my last ipad was from 2018 and i hate the fact that they put Nanoglass behind a 1TB option . Hopefully its going change in future and we wont have to splash so much money to get the option. That puts it in price range of a Cintiq pro 17
They’ve always put more RAM behind the 1TB option. It’s always been so you’d get double the RAM if you upgraded storage, which was shady because they don’t make that clear up front.
21:34 dopomine, dopomine, dopomine....lol. I've learned how to do this digital some, and nothing replaces my sketchbook and pencil for a sense of wonder and amazement.....but i am not a professional. I just love the tactile sense.....
800 ish bucks plus the pencil to have a portable long lasting device with a stunning display is a huge bargain for an amazing device.
long lasting?
@@noisetinI have my Ipad pro since 2017 and it works very well. The downside is the battery, like every portable device.
So yes they are pretty long lasting for this type of device.
Apple products last pretty long
I will share Tim's sentiment on this one. iPad or other Apple products may last bit longer then other brands' equivalents but when compared to artists traditional, physical tools it's laughable. For example your easel will probably last decades before giving up. It's fine to buy tech products and use them for art but it's also important to keep a healthy distance and not fomo'ing for the latest and greatest.
@@noisetin I absolutely agree with you. I should have say 'long lasting for a tech product, with a battery'
Great points. For people who know the past 30 years of digital art tech across platforms, Apple is clearly lagging. Mostly because Steve Jobs was adamant to the point of insanity that no one should use a stylus with the iPad, despite the fact that successful 3rd-party stylus products for the iPad flooded the market after its release. People don't talk about that factor enough, I think. The Apple Pencil was only unveiled after Jobs was gone and likely that's why it's years behind the competition.
Haha yeah I forgot about that whole side of it. The ancient pen computer concept seems to have come full circle :) especially with the new AI handwriting pen features they announced recently.
You're pretty much the only guy I see that has the guts to actually say that apple products are not THAT needed. I think their marketing is so good that people feel like they NEED to buy it to make good art....
Is this 11 or 13 inch ipad pro?????
I fear that artists are simply never going to be the major target audience for Apple, and therefore we won't see design changes that sacrifice minimalist form for greater function. That being said, I've found the iPad and pencil quite surprisingly effective, as long as I treat it as it's own limited medium. I don't try to do full-on paintings with it, only drawings. For what it lacks in features, the Apple Pencil has more natural pressure and tilt control than Wacom when replicating traditional media; Specifically with the pencil brushes I made myself. The brushes can make or break the experience.
What features are they missing?
In my case, I am looking for a digital tablet that is independent of the computer and that I can use to draw anywhere, whether it's on a trip, on my home couch, or anywhere in the world, without having to be connected to a computer. I want you to tell me if the best option is an iPad, because many artists recommend it.
It seems like the iPad is the choice right now. Its ahead of android in terms of power. Although I got my Samsung Galaxy S9 Ultra 1tb (the highest spec one with extra ram) for 70% of the price I got the mid range iPad m4 13" for (the iPad without extra ram). The S9 comes with a pen. Is larger. And if you use clip studio it works fine. The SPen Has hover... You can use a bunch of different pens with it too. It's way less powerful than the m4 on paper... But for 2d work it seems to work well.
The cool kids have iPads tho...
Great video! I agree with your thesis and the overall direction Apple is taking. Been drawing digitally for 10 years, switched to an iPad Pro 3 years ago after 7 with the cheapest pen table Wacom, and never looked back. I feel the crux of the iPad being a car vs a truck is that on the one hand it represents an incredible technological paradigm shift for touch-first software (I still use Photoshop on the daily, but couldn't get myself to draw on it for the love of my life-it's just never clicked for me), while at the same time being held down by Apple's business model, which is fully contingent on locking you down into their ecosystem. I hope the technology will someday catch up and we can have open computers with all of an iPad's functionalities. I'd consider a Cintiq if Procreate ran on desktop, but as it is, costing double as an iPad, and without the gesture and UI support I find critical for drawing digitally, it's just not worth it for me.
As an aside on the Apple Pencil itself: While I fully agree with all your points and after trying it out on a store I think the haptics are too stiff and uncomfortable, I've personally never had any problem with the ergonomics of the pen. I don't doubt a Cintiq stylus may be objectively more ergonomic and I would feel the difference using one, but as it is, the Apple Pencil has never given me hand cramps or anything of the like. The only time I found it uncomfortable to use was when I tried one of those rubber add-ons that supposedly make it more ergonomic, hah!
The iPad being portable is the main selling point for me. I have a Wacom as well and probably work mostly on that but procreate is great and Fresco is pretty good too. But nothing about the new iPads stand out as being worth an upgrade. So I agree with everything you said about apple just trying to make some $ off hype but the portability and feel of the Apple Pencil still make it worth having one but maybe not the latest
I think you almost nailed it. I mean. Actually the iPad Pro lineup is the best tablet that money can buy, for creative works. But, at the same time, it can deliver a full professional workflow only for a very restricted percentage of professionals. I mean. It’s almost perfect for 2D drawing and digital painting for workflows that can live on its own, without the need to go back and forth from/to a desktop class software. Also is perfect for certain 3D sculpting workflows (on apps like Nomad sculpt). For example it’s terrible for serious video editing or audio auditing. It’s terrible for all the things that involves mouse and trackpad and external peripherals and external monitors. iPad Pro lineup it’s for a very narrow percentage of users. Almost useless for the rest.
Bonjour, j'ai essayé, hier pour la première fois de ma vie un Ipad. Et j'ai été déçu pour tout vous dire. La taille de la surface est insignifiante, 13 pouces c'est même pas du A4. C'est trop étriqué pour déployer des images. Et oui ça peut faire un bpon carnet de croquis, mais à quel prix? Le stylet semble qualitatif, mais je n'ai pas été convaincu, ça n'a pas répondu à ma main.. . J'ai m'imùpression que c'est moi qui doit me plier et m'adapter au pencil pltuôt que du contraire. ET oui, la sensibilité et l'inclinaison ne me vont pas. Ainsi, Pour ma part je vais investir dans une tablette à écran de grand format (24 pouces) de chez Xencelabs en 4 K. Ce n'est pas la même chose mais au moins je serai certain de mon coup et des sensations de de peinture et de dessins! 🙂
It is a hard pill to swallow as “Consoomers” that we can be easily enticed to buy something new and shiny with the idea that everybody is working on it, when it’s in fact not the case. As of now, unless the new iOS is amazing, it doesn’t make any sense to try to upgrade.
I almost fell for buying this as an impulse buy. The $100 up charge for a nano texture screen is honestly unreasonable, considering you have to make a significant upgrade to the storage in the first place. Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud on the price and the benefits.
I have one of the earliest ipad pros and the OG apple pencil still and I only like it because I liked procreate as an introductory digital software - it was simple and there felt like less of a barrier between me and my work. But this planned obsolescence that tech companies like Apple lean into has me thinking that when my ipad and apple pencil finally go… I’m not likely to replace them.
I’ve got the first gen iPad Pro and pencil still and they’re still working (if a touch sluggish now) and I bought it in 2017… that was eight years ago. That is an INCREDIBLY long time for tech to last. Planned obsolescence doesn’t let stuff last that long.
I use a grip on my Apple Pencil but overall the iPad (2018 Pro) is just a secondary art tool.
So happy I bough a minis forum V3 instead,more performant, better pen (actual buttons), bigger screen, less expensive.
M1 iPad with the 2nd Gen pencil is enough for me. Less is sometimes more, and to be honest, I could do with the double tap feature not being there at all, even though I've come to tolerate it, haha.
I have a 4th Gen iPad Pro 12.9 from 2020 with the Apple Pencil 2nd gen. And I have absolutely no need to upgrade. Devices over a thousand eurodollar are usually are so good that there isn't much that warrant spending another +1500 eddies. I think all of those upgrades are for people with even older devices who might get finally swayed by some kind of an spec jump or a gimmicky new feature.
With all of that being said, the only aspects which would get me to upgrade right now would be... a bigger screen size or an actually good Apple Pencil. They increased the size up to 13 inches but obviously that's a joke compared to having a 12.9. It's not enough. There were rumors of a 14-15 inch iPad Pro and I would have bought that one but nope, apparently not. And the Apple Pencil itself is not only a thing, uncomfortable piece of crap for which you require a ergonomic grip - but it's also not as good as the Wacom Pen in terms of pressure sensitivity. With Wacom / Huion and even XP-Pen, your pen pressure feels smooth - as if it goes from 0 to 100. The Apple Pencil feels way more jumpy - as if the painting lines start 60 and then go to 100.
You are exactly right. Incremental upgrades target people like me with a first gen iPad Pro. I’ve had mine for eight years and am just now looking to upgrade. People that think their iPad from last year is now obsolete because a new one was released are genuinely kind of stupid lol
I have 3 iPad Pros and like the first iPad Pro and Apple pencil best. Although I use my maxed out newer iPad Pro 5 more often because it’s a little faster. It doesn’t even nearly take advantage of the 16gb ram by offering true full versions of professional software such as Logic Pro. Or Final Cut Pro. The first 2015 iPad Pro was amazing and blew me away with it’s natural feeling drawing experience due to the thin screen. Better feeling than Wacom’s thick glass drawing on experience back then. Since the first iPad Pro there has only been carefully spaced out incremental updates and making a thinner case to reduce costs including to save on the expensive metal design! Less metal. Making a case from a block of metal was extremely for the mac and ipads. We are so thirsty and starved for tech updates that we sometimes feel like upgrading just to get a few new features we can get! Better than nothing.
The first iPad is still my favorite because;
1. it’s easy to hold with an actual bezel.
WHY; The newer iPad Pros are so ridiculously thin with virtually no bezel making it more challenging to hold onto without touching the screen or dropping it. I was completely dumbfounded at how I was supposed to hold it but eventually figured out some way.
2. I prefer the first heavier uniform Apple Pencil.
WHY; the newer is a shorter lighter pencil that has a flat side in the octagonal shape. I end up trying to hold the flat side a certain way but it annoys me distracts me as I change the way of holding it. I shutoff the double-tap gesture because sometimes it thinks I double-tapped it even though I did not. It should be easy for ai to learn how I do things and not be registering taps when I’m obviously still drawing a curve on the screen. But the iOS ai doesn’t seem to realize this. Anyway, it’s faster to left-hand tap the undo button than take the pen off the screen and index finger double-tap while hoping it registers my intention the first time.
Excellent, thankyou!
I have been drawing digitally on-the-go, starting with the Samsung Note 10.1, in 2012. Tried the iPad/iPencil many times over the years ,and for me...its Meh at best.
- I have kept most of my older devices (~9 retired so far), My favorite for a while was the Wacom Companion Hybrid....a full-on wacom pro pen!
- Current is the Tab S7+, but soon to be retied by a Tab S9 Ultra.
Finally IMHO the Apple pencil is more tech wizardy over function....sadly.
Have you tried the Galaxy Tab S9? I've been researching it the last few days to replace my iPad for a few reasons: 1. Closed vs Open Ecosystem; I really don't care for Apple's products apart from the iPad. 2. Flexibiity; OSX products are an onrails, fool-proof experience and I like being able to cause or solve problems on my own, something Android does really well. Also, Android speaks to Windows much better than anything Apple makes (duh) 3. Apple continues to sell everything a la carte. A lot of other companies have bundles, sales, etc to get good products into the hands of everyone.
Also, I really have grown tired of Procreate. On my desktop, I can fly through menus, brushes, everything I need in Clip Studio Paint, but when I switch to sketching in Procreate, everything slows down and none of thr brushes feel very good to use. I hate the animated brush tips.
You make a lot of good points, Apple have always waited for others to perfect stuff, then cherry pick what they want, and more importantly (to them), what they want to give you as a consumer. It has its limitations, but once you’ve committed to their echo system, they pretty much got you. I for one pretty much use Apple products out of convenience, rather than because it’s cutting edge. Apple now, is sadly not the Apple of Steve Jobs.
“I read Tim Ferris’ The 4-Hour Work Week before being a digital nomad was cool. I was doing it.”
“I’ve literally been working as a concept artist in video games on a beach in the south of France sipping a freaking drink and actually doing it”
You lost me here. There are valid critiques to be made but these types of irrelevant statements combined with the arrogance of thinking you know something everybody else doesn’t just comes across as lame. Not all pros work exactly the same, it works great for many and it’s obviously not for you. That’s how easily you could’ve summed it up.
You bring up a lot of great points. Yes, it's a small upgrade. The tech is great. They have to find reasons to make people buy new tech when the old tech still works about 95% the same. I enjoy the iPad and the Apple Pencil Pro, but knowing how long my last ipad did last, I'll probably get 6 years out of this one. I'm ok with that.
Apple could make a lot of things artist would love to have. Better apple pencil options like you said would be great. Larger screen ipad. I'm sure a 15" model would sell!. Dual boot option with iOS and iPad OS, that would be great. Or hell, just give us a robust file system and don't silo off each app from each other. How about a real font Manager for iPad OS? - Apple has turned into the company they used to make fun of ( IBM/Microsoft ) - I understand companies have to be about profits but it seems Apple is ONLY concerned with profits. They could have made the new Apple Pencil Pro backwards compatible. I remember when they said they were cutting back on waste by not including a charger in the box of their iphones. LMAO and people really believed that.
Totally off topic but I've been watching your earliest videos and something caught attention, a 123 read what is that exactly? Oh and happy new month : )
Well hell, you better return it while you can!
I think apple will bread-crumb artists along with each iteration of the pencil and the iPad, but this one feels more like market research to see what kind of money digital artists are willing to spend because let's face it, who else-but artists and creative-focused types are going to shell out the money for seemingly over-priced iPads solely for the purpose of having barrel roll? I think that clearly the barrel roll feature is a targeted attempt to solidify their creative demographic, and each time after this it will be an after-thought of 1 new feature per release. They are also going to find out that the only eyes they are pulling the wool over are the Apple-Stans, NOT the digital artists who have been using drawing tablets since 2000.
Apple products are the tip of the spear for mobile, on the go art stuff. They sure aren't the king of art tech in their field, but damn are they better than those with their mobile products. Like i understand, an apple ipad isn't going to beat a wacom cintiq pro 24 in terms of QOL. but the Wacom studio pro is a damn disappointment when it comes to what it offers compared to an ipad.
Apple overly abuses the "pro" adjective.
Im happy with my little S Pen. No pro here
Tbf Apple or Wacom for that matter do not create their products for drawing or painting. Its horrible for those purposes we just put up with it cause the benefits of digital are obvious. When i want to draw for fun, i would never reach for a apple pencil.
What exactly do u want out of Apple Pencil you already have from the generation before.
I would have bought one if it had a eraser on top and the springiness, pretty much like Wacom pens( but I guess you have a copyright on them)
I will stick to my 12.9 1tb 2022 and pencil or Wacom mobile 16inch 😂👍
Barrel rotation is huge
@@litjellyfish what on wacom?
@@steveis33 sorry what do you mean?
@@litjellyfish you said about "barrel rotation "
@@steveis33 yes? It has barrel rotation as a new feature. Which is as said a huge new feature. Wacom has had this features for a long time so many artists that are used to this feature has for long hoped it would come to Apple Pencil. Now it has
I'm only three minutes in, but I think that maybe I should share my reaction when I saw someone call this out as the death of Wacom and its tablets since it's a friggin' iPad when you're not using it to draw with.
If anything is going to kill Wacom, it's probably going to be Xencelabs, not Apple.
I have an Intuos 5, a Cintiq 13 HD (from back in 2015,) a bamboo something or other, an ancient iPad, a Samsung Tab S6 Lite (I think?), and an Asus Vivobook Flip S. By that logic, I should only be using the Asus for drawing since it's a friggin' laptop when I'm not drawing with it. I don't. Heck, I don't even use it to draw that much. Most of my drawing these days is on paper and with a pen or a pencil, and I have not enjoyed drawing on the iPad, the Samsung, or the Asus, and all for the same reason. The feel is all wrong.
I get it. I'm not a professional artist, but man, even as awkward as it can be to draw on that Intuos 5, the feel is a lot closer to what I want, that feeling of pen or pencil on paper. I don't have this iPad to compare, and while it'd be a massive upgrade to the one I got way back in 2014, unless it feels like pen and paper, I probably won't draw on it. And if that Apple Pen Pro is like the Bamboo, Asus, and Samsung styluses and doesn't have an eraser function, that's a hard pass. If I'm using a digital tool to draw, I want it to let me draw and get out of the way. If I have to switch to the eraser tool in the program instead of flipping the stylus, then it's getting in my way. It's breaking up my flow. It's making me think about it as a tool and not an extension of my hand.
And my Wacom tablets (well, besides the Bamboo one) feel like that. They don't get in my way when I use them. They act like I expect from pen and paper and they feel like drawing with pen and paper. I feel like I have control and that things aren't slipping all over a glossy screen. Yeah, I know the new iPad has an etched glass screen that is supposed to mimic that, but that's something that I'd have to try and judge for myself instead of taking Apple's word for it.
That's just my two cents. Now back to watching the video.
EDIT: @8:30-ish
"It's slippery." BINGO! That's the thing that is the dealbreaker for me as an art tool.
EDIT 2: @14:30-ish, the conversation about
Oh lordy, this reminds me of the whole death of the desktop and laptop thing that happened back when smartphones and tablets were really booming and I was thinking about how much using a touch keyboard sucks. Even now, almost 20 years after the first iPhone came out, touch keyboards are still a pain to use. Sometimes, there's no substitute for a physical, tactile interface, and that gets me back to the whole rant about how things feel up above. Who cares what the specs are if it's a pain in the posterior to use?!
@15:24 AI
Okay, while I am no expert on AI, I do have a degree in Computer Science, I have worked in IT, and I have talked to researchers who have used AI and ML in their research projects and anyone calling it smart is either trying to sell you something or has no clue what they are talking about.
Computers are really, really, really stupid. They do exactly what you tell them to. There may be layers of translation between what you did to tell the computer what to do and what actually happens on the hardware, but computers do exactly what you tell them to and only what you tell them to. They are not self-aware, nor can they think, synthesize, or do any of the other things that we normally associate with intelligence. It's one reason I don't call AI generated images art.
Another reason is because, to grossly oversimplify things, what most modern AI is doing is solving a massive vector equation that's been tuned on a dataset. It's doing math, which is something that computers are good at. It's become a marketing buzzword and personally I am praying for the day the hype dies a bloody and ignoble death in some back alley, and we haven't even gotten into my issues with the vocabulary around AI. Someone said that we should really be calling AI "extracting statistical probabilities from extremely large datasets." Personally, given the narrow focus of most AI programs, I'd call them savant programs if I thought anyone would know what I was talking about. (Mainly because without any context, I'm likely to get funny looks if I did call them that.)
So, yeah, AI artbots are just taking your prompt and running it through a math equation to produce an image that has the highest probability of matching what you wrote, and good grief are they dumb! True, you can get it to generate an image that looks really good at first glance, but then you start noticing all of the things that just don't make any sense. It's why it's easy to tell AI images from art that an artist has made once you know what to look for and actually look for it.
As for the whole 3d interface thing, I think you would run into the same issue that laser projector keyboard from like 2003-2004 had with knowing where your fingers and the stylus actually were, along with potential FCC compliance issues depending on how you decided to implement it. Oh, and lets not forget how much processing power that would actually take. I don't think even an M4 iPad has that much juice to squeeze. What you're talking about is orders of magnitude harder than generating an image based on a string.
If you want to know more about AI, Grant from 3Blue1Brown has a series on AI and does a great job of breaking things down in an easy to understand way.
@17:30 Blunt pencil
Gasp! Think about how many kids would poke their eyes out!
In all seriousness, yeah, that thing needs a finer point.
@18:30 Apple as a company
Even when Steve Jobs was still around, I think Apple became a marketing company that just happens to make tech. That you can get a Windows machine that has the same specs and similar fit and finish as a Mac for substantially less is almost a certainty. I had a MacBook Pro, and I have an iPhone that is my second one and an iPad. But after using it, after looking for parts to repair the keyboard when it started to go out a few years ago, after seeing how far they've gone to lock out anyone that isn't Apple from repairing their devices (Just ask Louis Rossman and iFixit), I won't buy or use an Apple product unless I have to. I use an Apple MacBook Pro for work, and I am not a fan of it. I got a second iPhone after using an android phone and just getting annoyed with it, but it's probably going to be the last Apple product I ever buy.
I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot, and between the hypocrisy Apple has shown by espousing how green and eco-friendly they are while simultaneously locking anyone out from extending the lifetime of their devices by repairing them and how many damn hoops I feel like I have to jump through just to install a program among other things, I feel like Apple thinks its userbase are a bunch of idiots. I know some people are die-hard Apple fanboys, I had one of them as a boss, but enough treating people like dirt will snap even them out of it.
@22:00-ish Regarding Tools
To me, tools should be functional. My maternal grandfather was a carpenter. I watch machinists on CZcams. I find things that do a job and do it well beautiful. I think that craftsmen can be just as much artists as they are technicians. I love the look of well used and loved tools.
While I agree that almost any functional workspace is going to get messy, I think there's also something to be said for keeping things at least somewhat organized. I've been working on cleaning up my house and I have found stuff I've been missing because it wasn't where I thought it was or I couldn't remember where I put it. I can actually stand a good bit of clutter. I put most of my smaller kitchen appliances on wire shelving so that I could see it and know what I have. I wanted to do the same with my spices, but I didn't have enough room. I'm planning on doing the same with my art supplies. If it's in a drawer or cabinet and I can't see it, I forget I have it and I wind up ordering another when I think I need it. I also have the "Oh! Shiny!" problem, but I'm less likely to fall prey to it if I'm actually looking at a tool that can do the job right there on my desk or in a rack or something where I can see it.
And, if things are actually a mess, I'm more likely to focus on the mess and telling myself that I need to clean that up than what I should be doing.
The thing you mentioned about AI setting behaviour for specific angles and sensitivity around the whole Pencil Pro is totally not viable or easy to do in programming, AI or not. It’s a thing 5-10 years away. Maybe 2-5 years away if someone would focus on making it work.
So my question for you is, what does one of your non digital peices look like? How do you do backgrou ds in real world not digital.....just curious.
The Apple cult is for amateurs... thanks for saying it out loud!
I really hate how it's trending so hard, being so negative...
1. The Apple Pencil design is AWESOME.. it's amazing and the new features are too
2. I've had wacom tablets and pens before.. they "ergonomic" shape is just NOT for me.. but in any case, you can literally buy attachments for the pen thatm akes it feel and being able to hold the able pencil exactly like a wacom pen
3. The haptics are great
4. The features you don't like, you can simply deactivate, it's not that hard...
and I could go on, but I'm honestly getting so tired of these crying videos from everyone now a days...
Don't like it? Then use something else. Personally, I love it immensively and I don't usually speak up for Apple, as I truly hate their Mac systems and their prices are too high etc. But the products they make (except for Mac hardware products) are great and work amazingly, again.. despite the overpriced prices you pay for the brand.
in the end, it's MOST important that people understand, that it is PERSONAL PREFERENCE... there is no end-result here.
2. I think those attachment would prevent one from using the squeeze function for instance? Wacoms latest Pro pen is super customizable and something I would have loved for the new Apple Pen to be
4. Sure, but why pay a lot for a new model of something just to turn off the new features.
I would have liked if they had released this as an apple pen 3 and then released a pro pen version more directed to actual artists, taking keys from artist drawing tablets.
@@Scatty666 The majority of professional self-running atists, use the apple pen, so you are simply wrong.
And as I wrote, it's personal preference in the end.
Him sharing what he doesn't like is useful info compared to reviewers repeating specs
@@Somtric ok, I had no idea that professional artists had moved away from computer and tablets, sounds a bit strange to me and I never really met any graphic designer or illustrator that switched to an iPad for their main work, but if you say so. Btw I have an iPad and Apple Pencil as well, and I am not as critical as this reviewer, I still like the feeling of my Wacom or Huion more though. Anyway I don’t see what I was wrong about, I just said that I personally would wish for a pen more akin to a Wacom, such as their new pro pen 3, that a lot of attachments would stop the squeeze and magnetic charging to work, and that I thought that the advice to just turn of all the new features maybe wasn’t all that helpful
@@Scatty666 It's helpful if you don't like the features and the accessories can easily be taken on/off.
And if you've never met anyone who work mainly on iPad... well, then I highly doubt that you are in a graphic or video-editing business professionally.
In any case, as I said.. it's personally preference, there is nothing wrong with Wacoms tablets or pens, I also like XP-Pen and Huions things products, but there is just too much subjective negativity in videos like this... he doesn't like it, that's cool and fair, but that is so far from what the majority does.
it is to heavy.. hand hurts after one hour..
Again, Apple have to design things for everyone! Artists, writers, designers, hobbyists. The pen has to be able to be used by all and because of that compromises have to be made. Is it as good for artists as a Wacom pencil? No but then how many people make notes or write on a Wacom tablet? Is the IPad labelled as a drawing tablet no! Can it be used as one? Yes. There’s isn’t many products out there to compete with it on the move, especially when you consider size and space it takes up.
THANK YOU. CZcams is filled with blowhards who only review Apple products as if they are single use devices. Even digital artist use their pencils differently and will never use certain features and use others heavily. Architects and drafters must share this product with cartoonist.
that's fine that's why he's giving his perspective from an artist. To let artists know if we should buy it. Doesn't matter how useful it is to someone else if it it;s not perfect for artist's use.
@@akeemmorrison2589 And I was stating that it’s not comparable to a product like a Wacom tablet, because it’s not solely a drawing tablet. It isn’t Pro for many artists but it is pro for some. The new pencil itself is called pro to differentiate from the pens used on the standard ipad. Until Apple put an OS on an ipad that lives up to the technology it’s hard to call it Pro as in professional anyway.
😂😂 yeah I think this should be called an artist rant while being ungrateful. Bro the iPad pro an pencil are obviously objectively good. The pencil needs to be pointy... what.... its not just about Ipad an the pen that make it 1 of the best options to use but the software apps are really the stars.
End of the day you keep saying iPad pro better than.. what.. well its better than many options. Its better than my 2018 ipad pro n pen. Better than my xp pen setup, its even better than using my cintiq. Ya i said it. In the sense of beings an all in 1 portable device that gets the job done. Nomad with cozy blanket takes care of 80% of the work. Infinite painter n fresco takes care of other work. Zbrush coming to ipad too. At this point the ipad an pen are better THAN having a traditional laptop. Thats whats better. Then I can send everything to my rig for complex animation renders.
TLDR; "It's better, but who cares because artists adapt, but also I don't like it, it needs to be better. I don't want to conform on how I use it, because AI. A real pencil is better." Haha, in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if apple added more software features to this at WWDC. I've seen videos where the app renders the shadow of the pencil and changes based off the angle, so it does seem to know its place in space. Hoping the tilt stuff gets better via software. My biggest gripe is that these aren't backwards compatible, either with older ipads or new ipads with older pencils.