ROLEX SUBMARINER or OMEGA SPEEDMASTER ? Which is the ULTIMATE iconic WRIST WATCH ?
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
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I'm so happy you are back on CZcams, your videos are spot on and get to the truth. If you take away price, the Speedmaster is the most iconic watch in the world, for nothing more than it's achievements. The water resistance is a terrible argument in my opinion. Most of the water that watches are exposed to during everyday life is washing your hands, not swimming. Yes there are people who take their watches into the ocean, but it's a small number for sure. I can, but never wear mine swimming, for fear of losing or scratching it. I have both watches, a pre-ceramic 2008 sub and the FOIS. I wear the Omega twice as much as the Rolex, and that say's everything you need to know about these two watches. I love them both, but the Omega would be the one I pick, if I had to choose only one watch for the rest of my life.
Speedmaster Rocks , how cool can a watch be - love my 3861 & the look of that beautiful movement through the transparent caseback with METAS accuracy …best Chrono out there , that you can daily wear
I have experienced, and still own, both the submariner and the speedmaster. They are both great watches. That being said, when taking all things into consideration, the best all around luxury watch is the Rolex Explorer. I own the 214270 and it is hands down my favorite watch. Absolute perfection
I agree ☝️
I agree with your conclusion. A true review of any two watches can only be trusted if it is by an owner of the two watches in question. My compliments.
Aaaaand too bad they discontinued it lol
@@steelsteez6118 Explorer 1 is still in production
@@ACDandMe 214270 is discontinued
The Speedy is $8000 retail. You should be able to get 10% off easy. So $7200 is the price of a Speedy.
Imagine if the Speedmaster that went to space was auctioned. Surely it would be up there with or exceed the results from the Paul Newman Daytona auction.
Lots of speedmasters have been to space…..
@@whereRbearsTeeth Ah, yes, I meant to the Moon. Not enough Coffee clearly.
@@_eatcheeseandsin yea, if Buzz Aldrin’s speedmaster was ever located, it would sell for millions no doubt.
I love to see if they found John Lennon s Patek Philippe annual Callander what that would go for. I think that would beat Newman's record
Just a heads up, I asked Omega about the 3861 and by itself, yes, it is water resistant within the METAS testing parameters for the watch. However, it is NOT water resistant once the chronograph pushers are pressed. Omega doesn’t recommend swimming with it incase the pushers accidentally get bumped underwater.
Just recently got a Speedmaster and I agree whole-heartedly. Beautiful, iconic, versatile, cool, and as you so rightly put, attainable even for the every man if he (or she) is willing to work hard and save.
After i got my Speedmaster Sapphire Sandwich, i fell in love. I love wearing it so much that many of my watches were just sitting there, it made me feel like i did not need all the watches i had. So i sold almost all my watches, i only kept my G Shock that i also love very much. Im on the look for a Submariner aswell. I dont need anymore watches after i get my black Submariner.
Great vid ! My top 5 : the Breguet Reine de Naples - the first wristwatch worn by Caroline Bonaparte, Queen of Naples around 1810. Then indeed the Speedy 321 2915 and Sub 6538, respectively 2 and 3. And obviously then the Seiko Astron 1969 as nr 4 - the first quartz piece. And as nr 5, I would pick the 1928 Longines Hour Angle worn by Charles Lindbergh. Agree on daily wearers. Modern Speedy.
Both nice but Omega got it pretty much spot on first time. The new one looks almost the same as the first one. Also the Speedmaster is cool the Rolex makes you look a try hard. It looks like Rolex are going to do their own AD’s and stop all the corruption so if you pay silly grey money you might get your finger’s burnt 🤔
Hey James, thank you for this vid. Loved every minute of it. 👍🏻👍🏼👍🏽👍🏾👍🏿
What The?! I thought you hung your hat up on the hobby? I fell off my chair seeing your video. Welcome back! I knew you could not stay away. I’m going with the Speedy. Last year, I procured a ref 105.012 from 1967, all original 10 out of 10. Just an amazing piece.
In term of design, efficiency: the sub
In term of history, romantism and vintage feel: the speedy
I love both. Regarding NASA, don t forget my friend that the 1861 is the last certified by NASA. So for à speedy I would go on a version before the very last one. If you invite me on your channel I can testimony the discussion I had with a (french) ex oméga watchmaker Who has prépared cosmonaute speedy (the french Tony pesquet).
Ps: rolex could be considered as an investment but only keeping the watch 5 years if bought on Grey market. Never forget that professional prices includes their margin+internal Costs.
I would like to humbly suggest that there is another characteristic of a GOAT watch to consider that was not listed: Influence on the industry and other watch designs. This MAY be the most important thing to weigh when looking at the greatest of all time. I would think that the sum-mariner wins that category. Great video! Good points on the speed master too.
I was going to buy a Rolex submariner a few years back. It was around 10k, same watch not 14k. Is this watch likely to appreciate/hold value in your opinion?
you bring up great points, but i still think the sub is the more iconic watch. i see way more of them out in the wild. people just gravitate more to rolex as a brand. thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I had a big smile while wearing my Speedmaster throughout this video. 🐐 🌛
I have been doing a lot of thinking about the current frenzy surrounding the Rolex brand , Wasn't and isn't the Rolex brand supposed to be more of an upper middle class watch brand, rather than an all out high luxury brand? superior to most other middle class watches but just short of the "haute horology" brands status. As such, Rolex may very well be pricing itself beyond the reach of its original core market and directly competing with true Haute horology heavy hitters, how competitive will Rolex be when compared to such watches? I think that eventually, Rolex will be left in a no mans land in terms of market niche; too rich for its previous core market and not rich enough for the true high end market. I can envision Rolex watches being bought and sold over and over again between "investors" and speculators without an end user in sight, will this end well for the brand? only time will tell. Omega will ultimately benefit from having the high middle class market niche all to itself.
Spot on, and I agree 100%. Rolex makes fantastic, durable tool watches. That being said, they are nowhere even close to haute horology. And like you said, they are beginning to approach haute horology price levels. This is simply unsustainable in the long run. Rolex is eventually going to price themselves out of their own market. It’s going to be very interesting to see what happens with the brand in the next 10-15 years. Everyone seems to think that Rolex is a genius company, but personally I think they are moving in the wrong direction.
Speedmaster. Beautifull, more recognizable, and you don't fell dumb when wearing it
Speedy forever! Thank You !!!!
Space history is cooler than diver history. Buy both, speedy then a sub later, done.
I want both. They are both grail watches for me!
I know this is a year later.... Come to think of it. The best luxury watch is the type of watch that can be a versatile watch. As much as we love the Sub and Speedy, both have their limits, few limits but there are others that can do a bit more. I say the best luxury watches are the most discreet watches. Watches that have decent water resistance, hold value, look good on bracelets, or on rubber/NATO/leather straps, can be sporty/casual/dressy at the same time, and under 40mm. For me Rolex Date Just steel, Day Date white gold, OP steel, Explorer 36mm all neutral looking watches for all occasions. Others could be Omega Aqua Terra, VC 56, Patek Nautilus steel, AP Royal Oak steel, Tudor Black Bay 36 watches like that fall in-between are a safe bet. Obviously luxury and price are subjective. You can find the same versatility in Longines, Hamilton, Seiko, Grand Seiko. Just as long as you stick with simple time only watches.
The Speedie is the Speedie, it speaks for itself, but not being waterproof, not having a date complication, not being automatic, not having a scratch resistant crystal...I can't concur that's it's a better 1 and done then the Sub...believe me, I tried!
Love the show mate. So... where do you stand on the 1861 vs 3861 question? Thinking about grabbing a Speedy but undecided on the reference. Hmmm.... 🤔
My recommendation would be to try them both on. While the 3861 is definitely an improved movement over the 1861, the bracelet is a joke. It’s far to dainty and ends up giving the watch a very unbalanced look and feel on the wrist. 1861 is the way to go in my opinion
Would have been nice if you had both watches for the video. I expected to see them. That being said, my pick would be the Rolex Submariner.
I ended up owning both 3861 and SD4k. The problem is, I can’t decide which one to wear every time I step out of my home. It’s almost tormenting 😭
Have the Rolex Submariner no date from 2010 love that watch.
Breitling Superocean 42 500m water resistance.
I am lucky enough to own an Explorer, Explorer 2, Sea Dweller 43, Sea Dweller Deepsea, GMT Master 2, Submariner no date and a Speedmaster… to be honest if I could only keep one… it would be speedy Tuesday every day…
I love my hesalite 3861. I don’t mind manual wind, but my 3861 is difficult to wind (much more than my ETA watches and my buttery smooth Seikos). I’m told that it will wind easier once it “breaks in.” Has anyone else had this experience? Thanks
Have you had many scratches on the glass already.? Does it bother you that you can scratch it
Is it true that the edges are very sharp? Is it uncomfortable?
What Rolex do you have left in your collection?
Rolex Explorer all the way!!😤🤩👍💪
I personally like the sub better due to it being easier to understand. They are countless different variations of seamaster which I personally don’t like and it cheapens the brand. But that does not mean it’s a bad watch
I love them both so much and equally that I would honestly let you pick one for me. I would say, Ziman, choose one bro.
@@steelsteez6118 😂
Your videos always seem to be your justification for keeping your omegas and not Rolex or like you’re talking yourself into believing you made the right decision lol
I just can’t pay A$9500 for a watch with a plastic crystal. Has to be the sapphire but at nearly A$11k, a price increase of A$2k over the 1861, it’s a hard ask.
Do you still have your Ed white 321?
Whats with the rolex pics hanging on the wall hahaha.
I’ll throw the GMT Masters into the ring. Are any of the three a clear winner? Nope. All serve a purpose.
But I will say the 4 & 5-digit Rolexes and 1861/321 have more character than modern pieces. Those are classic tool watches.
Both very iconic and both not for me, after owning two 1861 Speedies and trying on sub several times.
I fell into the hype trap and owned the moon watch just because I felt I had to... end of the day get what suits your style, requirements and wrist.... hoping to get the 36mm OP at some stage. There is a lot to be said about smaller watches.
A whole channel for whitewashing Omega as the best luxury brand? WTF?
I feel these two are still a hype watch, uncool pick but surely Cartier Tank ?
Cartier tank?? 🤣🤣🤣
@@whereRbearsTeeth care to provide an educated response?
Rolex Submariner Stainless Black dial, all day ,everyday that's the no date which a Submariner really is. The 124060 the best model yet, for those who have eyes to see and have style.
Also Rolex Submariner Stainless Steel has a simple dial, no sub dials which is off putting to many.
All this astronaut talk oh please, astronauts are not the average person.
History heritage no whats the most attractive watch a plain dial or a watch with sub dials,both watches will can last a lifetime. Good Video all the same with a biased point of view.
Certainly a hard tarsk to judge between them, you could go back and forth forever. Let's just call it a draw.
How can you compete with the Moon-watch. I don't fully understand how the Rolex Sub became so iconic. OK, it's a dive watch....but what did this watch really achieve in history? Or is it the product of the Rolex Marketing machine, or James Bond in the 60's that catapulted the Sub to stardom?
Put a modern submariner on your wrist. Then take it off and put on the speedmaster. Then you will understand
Omega, short e as in keg, NOT Omeeega! Just because Daniel Craig messed it up, the rest of us shouldn’t!
As far as i know the speedmster is 100m water resistant
The worst thing for me is to have to take a watch off. Especially on vacation cause there is never anywhere to put it.for me the hulk is the best watch pound for pound.it’s got some color to wear it at dinner and goes good with my tropical vacation clothing that my wife puts me when on vacation ( I only go tropical if it’s vacation ) I can wear it in the caves , and I’ve even jumped off 35 ft cliffs with it. It’s got the brushed bracelet so the scratches aren’t that visible. I can wear it to the movies , and I can wear it with a suit and still be the best dressed guy 😜. This is just my preference of course. The only thing that could make it better for would be a gold Hulk. With the brushed bracelet in gold. That would be my perfect watch. With all that said it’s not my favorite watch in my collection.
Thought you’d retired?
Phirst
Bunch of crap. You and everyone knows the sub is the best of all time, especially the new 41mm.
Just cause people can’t get one doesn’t change its status.