@Htx457 That's why I am asking how he refuted it. Unless of course he demonstrated irrefutable proof of the existence of a god - that would indeed refute atheism.
@Htx457 No, Einstein said “The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility…The fact that it is comprehensible is a miracle.”, but close enough. I have some questions about your second paragraph: 1) When was it established that nothingness is responsible for everything? We do not know what is the cause of everything or even if cause and effect apply to the beginning of the universe in a way we are familiar with. 2) The process is not said to be random or unguided, just mindless. It is based on the fundamental properties of matter and energy and guided by the effects they have on each other. Why do you think that can be called random and unguided? 3) Darwinism has nothing to do with the universe or the mind, just with a change in the gene pool of living organisms over time. This isn't really a question... more of a correction. 4) How do you know the idea of a god would be impossible? 5) How do you know that we are not automata?
@Htx457 "Darwinism is held to as high a standard as the big bang and they're both dependant on one another." If you define it that widely, then *everything* has to do with everything else because all of it happens in the universe. I think that is seeing things so braodly as to make the argument useless. Darwinism does not talk about the origin of the universe or anything. It doesn't even talk about the origin of life. So my statement still stands. "The fact is, is that it's a state of physical and material, from a state of nothing. " To which scientists would certainly disagree, so I have to ask you again, when was it established that nothing caused something? "But if you ask physicists what nothing is. Nothing is not really nothing as in No thing. So I'm afraid we're at a point here which this is exactly where reductionist hit the wall. And it shows." Not really, people who haven't thought things through usually say stuff like "everything supposedly came from nothing" to which scientists reply that "nothing" can, per definition, not even exist, so there must have been something. "Sure cause and affect cant be proven to have existed then because it comes as a result of mind and observation and hypothesis." Uhm... no? It comes as a result of causality and the forces that guide interactions. Or are you arguing that without a mind witnessing things, there is no causality? "And I would hesitate then to trust much that comes from it or as a result from it, if it was truly mindless." Why? This would imply you don't trust your PC when it does calculations for you. I mean, in the end it's a mindless thing, a simple automaton working only based on the laws of nature? "Well unless you're going to imply some rational genius behind it, then yes it is random" That's not what random means... random means unpredictable, which is largely not the case, at least not on a makroscopic scale, which is essentially the only scale that our experience takes place on. Things don't need a rational agent behind them to not be random. "And it is in fact said to be something that didnt have to happen when it did, or neither result in how it did." So? That doesn't mean it was not guided by the laws of nature from the point when it started until now.
Fool do you realise how much money John has made from all this God stuff did you ever ask yourself why God was so good to John while ignoring children starving
@@mick1gallagher Have you ever read what theologians have said about the topic of good and evil for thousands of years. Have you ever read how pathetic atheists resposes are to these challenges from theists. Many times atheists look for reasons not to believe in God to justify the sin in their lives. Do you realize you are complaining about evil to justify your belief God does not exist? If Atheism is true, it makes no sense to talk about good and evil. Atheisms worldview has no justification for the concept of good and evil. Theists worldview does have a justification for the moral law.
@@randomperson-gp8ph The terms ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are merely labels that humans use to categorise behaviour, or actions, or the consequences thereof. No god is needed for this. Pain is the driver. If it hurts, you or I, then that is usually considered ‘bad’ (although some pain may be necessary for ultimate ‘good’. Just can’t see how sentient beings that can observe actions, reactions and consequences need a ‘god’ (whatever one is) to help with what is really just a vocabulary thing.
56 years old, 22 years married, two teenage boys. How to live a Christian life unapolegetically amidst the secular barrage of scientism on belief - disorienting my value system harshly in the wide world inflections sociologically until....Dr. John Lennox . Could not be more grateful. on behalf of myself and the spiritual life of our children thank you Dr. John Lennox.
Lennox is so bad are reason & logic. A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. Come, let us worship Jesus. Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing. Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs. Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification. A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature. Oppression builds character among the dominated. Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications? Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar? My sheep hear my voice. Think not I come with peace, but sword. The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too. Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on. Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it. If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command. We know there is no god outside of fiction. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Think not I come with peace, but sword. I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status. When you realize the Gospels are mythology based on Greek epics - Dr. Dennis MacDonald
there should be a godwin's law of scientists of faith, to be fair once upon a time you'd wind up dismembered if you weren't a religist, folks claiming their religions promoted science are really just boasting they would kill anyone who didn't sign up, and besides if you want to act the fool and play at alchemy, what better environment than superstitious mentally deficient nincompoops who like to dress up and wear silly hats - yes religion is responsible for einstein's brain.
Thank God John Lennox's discussions and debates are on CZcams ! I would never have found them or read them without this amazing "platform". THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.
@Goggle products How can one be so stupid? It is near constant momentum of the Earth that prevents us from sensing its motion. The gravity comes from the attraction between us and the planet Earth not from motion. Birds have wings that enable them to defy the gravitational force applied to them for a moment until the next flap of their wings. Oceans can not defy gravity because they do not have a means to do so. Research the Law of Gravity. Those objects that we see from trillions of miles in outer space are stars like our own Sun (which is also a star, BTW). If you want to see a satellite in space take a look at the video linked below at 5 min 52 sec. czcams.com/video/LIq6GzT4QT8/video.html Then go somewhere where you won't be so dumbfounded.
@Goggle products Wow, so much ignorance. Please engage your brain. Even without the fact that I watched the first moon landing live, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. The evidence for your position is CZcams conspiracy videos and nothing else.
Dr Lennox is one of my favourite speakers and writers. He has an amazing mind, knows how to communicate profound truths to the layman and has a humble and engaging spirit.
Gotta love the humility coming out of these Christian apologists. Oh Gee, I'm just a simple person humbled by the greatness of God, oh, and by the way, I know the mind of God and I can explain his will, his reasons for intervening into human affairs, how he created the universe, etc.
tchristian04. Exactly. God cannot compete in every human's brain because he does not exist in every humans brain. So he can only win in the brains of his believers. But believers have different gods. So I'm not so much interested in which brains he wins as long these people do not harm anyone.
I think Dawkins followers thought he had won because he was basing his arguments on evidence and facts. Lennox followers though he did better because he appealed to faith and god which his followers buy in to.
170221dn. "Evidence" is also about communication and common sense. What are the things about which we can have common sense without claiming things about people of other cultures cannot have a common sense with us? Religions seem to fail in this enterprise.
Eric, Shawn Rhymes here. I really enjoyed the setting for your talk with John Lennon, I mean John Lennox. LOL 😇😇😇 I loved his thoughts on the mind and the brain. I've also enjoyed your talks with Steve Myers. Thanks for the You Tube video.
Galileo said "Math is the language in which God wrote the universe" This is a great video and I will be sharing this for sure. Following Lennoz as well.
@@THOMSY01 A Muslim couldn't say that, because Muhammad said multiple things that go against science completely. For example, he claimed that a fly carries disease on one wing and the cure on the other wing. He gravely mistook the way that semen is produced, as well as the biological process of a child growing in its mother. He also got the planet's orbit wrong. These are just a few things, so if a Muslim was a scientist, he/she would have to admit that the Quran gets major facts about biology wrong, which also means that the Quran isn't perfect, which means it couldn't be Allahs word since yall claim its infallible. So no, without denial, a Muslim could not say the exact same thing.
I’m a very engaged academic in my field. But Socrates in the City continuously brings me thinkers I’ve never heard of and that I end up doing a deep dive on. Thanks
John Lennox and Ravi Zacharias are 2 men I can listen to all day! Their content is insightful but their manner and speech is just so warm and genuine. You can tell they love people
Welcome back, SITC!! I had have the privilege to listen Dr. Lennox live at Presbyterian Church of Lapa in São Paulo, Brazil, years ago. God bless you all!
This is the most intelligent content around! Lennox is a boss and a teddy bear. I'm excited for Part 2! Eric, my brother, "the dogma lives deeply within you", and I wouldn't have it any other way! You've been in instrument for change in my life, thank you.
I had a little doubt but with this interview ive got everything i needed to know about the universe and excistance John Lennox is most rational scientist ive ever listen to God bless u for us❤
Dear GOD, bless Dr. Lennox! This was the first time that I had encountered the argument that thought cannot be reduced to a materialistic- only basis. I shall add this concept to the Kalam cosmological argument, and improbability of evolution explaining DNA to my most favorite "reasons to believe!" ❤
@13.00 mins reminds me of the phrase by the Indian Math genius Srinivasa Ramanujan "An equation for me has no meaning unless it expresses a thought of God". Such a great talk from John Lennox
Fantastic conversation. Eric, you are an excellent interviewer. I’m thankful to have discovered you not long ago (on Daystar’s Ministry Now) because you have become one of my favorite people, and I love your books! You are a sincere and humble truth-seeker and have an incredible wit. Love this video and Dr. Lennox. “Part of the reason people pit science against God is because they think science is the only way to truth.” This is certainly provocative and such an important point. Thank you!!
Calling this man Socrates incarnate is like calling Justin Beiber is Beethoven. Go ahead, but you couldn't be more wrong. Also, the irony is too rich here.
Great presentation Eric, thank you. I've followed Dr. John for many years and read most of his books. Each time the experience brings fresh truth and hugely stimulating ideas to the table. Looking forward to more...every blessing for your efforts. DW (New Zealand)
@@johnjohnson1997 If you don't know the difference between verifiable, objective evidence and faith, there's no point in furthering the conversation with you.
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 Again, faith is at the bottom science. No need for the wordy garbage. Understand? Or has science answered the question about origin and purpose.......
@@johnjohnson1997 Actually science has gone a long way toward answering the origin question. The Big Bang? Evolution thru Natural Selection? Or maybe God making the earth in six days and Eve from Adam's rib is more appealing to you.
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 What other points of view are you refereeing to? I'm certainly open to other points of view if I find them compelling.
I heavily credit John Lennox and David Gooding's book Christianity: Opium or Truth? For pricking my hard heart as an unbeliever in 2017. God bless those saints!
Brilliant Wisdom and knowledge from Brilliant man of God.Thank you Heavenly Father for such great men to minister to me and the world.Praise The Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen ❤️🙏
@40:28 his reaction after John finished was the same as mine - almost brought tears to my eyes. Listen to the entire section about us having a mind over a brain, and how material doesn’t mean information without the mind, and that the letters within DNA have to be from a mind (God), in which, in the beginning of genesis it says, in the beginning was the word. Start @30:00
Start at 27:30. A neat demonstration that every materialist philosophy very quickly devolves into a naked power game. Everything is in doubt? Okay--the only way to remove propositions from doubt is to back them with raw force.
Fantastic conversation. Eric, you are an excellent interviewer. I am thankful to have discovered you on Daystar’s Ministry Now because you have become one of my favorite people, and I love your books! You are a sincere truth-seeker and have an incredible wit. Love this video and Dr. Lennox. “Part of the reason people pit science against God is because they think science is the only way to truth.” This is certainly provocative and such an important point. Thanks for all you do!
Eric, your beautiful point about God giving us science to allow us to discover him, reminds me of the story Walter Hooper shared on your show about how the illustrator of Narnia cried and cried for Aslan story as she worked on the book. She finally realized Aslan was Jesus. That was CS Lewis’s goal…discovery. Much like discovering God through science. Brilliant!
The whole "information is non material" concept is really hard to get across to people. However I created a way to help get it across to a broader audience. I will say, "information iis not the letters or sentences that make up a note or statement or book." To this you usually get dead silence. You then break the silence by pasting an unknown language to the observer. Ask them how much informational content exist in the alien language. I usually use Hebrew just because most people I speak with would never have learned Hebrew. At this point they are following to some degree. They get it, words are not themselves information. I then say, "information is the agreement to arbitrary rules." We have a concept of a dog. We then use letters to act as a place holder for that concept. This place holder could be anything, it could have been the letters "cat," it does not matter. The most important part however for the success of concept from one non material mind to another is not the english letters, it is rather the "agreement" that certain letters represent, or act as a place holder for a certain non material concept. Naturalism can't account for rules, or agreements, these two terms pre suppose mind brain dualism. Extra: modern society uses words far too loosely, creating havoc in common understanding. For example "this ice cream is good." Of course they do not mean it is morally righteous, but that they like it. Let this run on for several generations and people begin conflating their preferences and desires for morality. In much the same way this happens in computer science. We speak of hard dives as carrying or storing information. This gives the illusion that information is material. When in reality hard drives are storing arbitrary specified sequences. Remember that information requires an agreement to rules, computers do not agree to rules. So how can a computer store information, which is concept when a computer has no concepts nor the non material ability to agree to arbitrary rules? It can't. The arbitrary sequences on the screen only becomes information when the observer who has agreed to the rules, translates that specific sequence to non material conceptual through by accepting and agreeing to the arbitrary rules beforehand.
Good point about information. I see information from one point as an objective representation of consciousness in its temporary existence and at the same time as a result of the creativity of individual spirit in the center of consciousness in its temporary existence. This way information is a dynamic creative field and temporary "home" of unnumbered individual creators which are all representatives of Primal Creator on the level of dimensional existance.
Dd s: But your "simply the word" is simply a little bunch of words, composed concept. What if... just EVERYTHING is simply the concept! How could you know? Through Mr. Kant? But your comprehension of Kant - isn't it just another concept of yours? One man said: "I know that I know nothing"... But again - another concept... One of the most powerful concepts I ever met is - PARADOX. Respect.
So when evidence doesn't exist, you're giving me permission to grab onto any nonsense that fits my faith = what I hope is true? Sounds like a recipe for chaos.
Currently taking a philosophy class where my instructor wants to dispute/disprove the existence of God. Listening up so i’m ready to give a good response!
Dear Eric, really appreciate what you do. Please try to bring on William Dembski: former senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute for Science and Culture to SITC. His book Being as Communion, is a much needed work to this debate on science and faith, and is a fitting follow up to this discussion with John Lennox. Best Regards.
As an Atheist I like Dr Lennox. Especially his veiws on Genesis prior to "Let there be light" Very much open to interpretation as there is no mention as to how long it took the almighty to make the earth.
Thanks Eric and John for spreading the truth. This is the truth right here. You don't have to believe them, experience it for yourself guys The truth is meant to be experienced, not believed.
Another way to approach the brain vs. mind is to say, if the brain is all there is, how come we all think differently? How come two minds can differ, even with an exactly similar brain? Thoughts can be within and outside the brain. Thoughts are immaterial, nevertheless they exist.
I think John Lennox wasn’t hard to raise as a child hehe. I could see that he is the kind who is obedient to his parents and respectful to elderly. His visible characteristics could affirm my argument.
For me as a laymen it's very simple....God created this Universe game, and us in it so we can find him by figuring out through science/patterns/laws etc how he did it! :)
You know that silly question people ask about lunch or tea with two or three famous people, living or dead? Thank you Mr. Metaxas for making that possible again and again.
Professor Lennox, I'd like to know you're thoughts about Ivan Panin, and his work on the Gospel of Matthew and the other Gospels and the books of the New Testament that showed the fingerprints of the Holy Spirit, and that it could not have been thought up by humans, only written as they heard it.
Everyone wondering about Christianity should look up Chuck Missler's videos (especially the ones from the early 2000's and 90's). He is the greatest evangelist that few have ever heard of. I would love and pray for people like John Lennox to come across his work.
What is the harm on believing in a God that tells you to love others as you love yourself; to be honest even if it cost you your life; to honor your parents; to learn and instruct your children ......the God somehow known by many of the greatest contributors in all science sphere throughout history ? I respect atheist and God does not instruct me to harm them or anyone . I honestly would like to know what is the harm to myself and to others ( intellectual or otherwise) that I or others will be subject to by believing in God
because you are splitting the core fundamental reasons from your inner self and subjecting them to an outside entity. You should be kind and love respect others and everything good you listed above because you think like that. Because thats how everyone should be. Because that is how you feel. Not because of an outside power teaches you. Not because some power tells you what is wrong and what is right. The morals come from you not from any other. So to answer your question No maybe there is no harm in believing in God. as well as not believing in any God. I find belief very important to discuss because every single person has its own way of thinking about life death etc.
@@fjolublar the "splitting " of what you defined as "reasons" from my inner self Never occurred to me. Also , I never became aware of those qualities when i came to believe in God: They were already in me( like I know they are in most human beings whether they believe of not). Unfortunately, it was almost impossible to follow them in this society ( not many ppl are forgiving and care for each other) . It was , and it is, more like looking in a mirror : I found In God that it is true ,and the ultimate guiding standard ( or God's will) to follow those good impulses and desires that predated the faith ( which ultimately validates them) ; there, in the ten Comandaments and in the life of the Mesiah , the desires of the soul and the will of God met, and found those desires to be one and the same, moreover: they were the will of a merciful God. Now seeing them now not just as good feelings and desires of the inner self but as what they are outside our own selves : what God wants for humans to do ," go do unto others as you wish others do unto you", You end up gaining inner strength to follow them no matter what the society you live it dictates as the "norm" in order to survive. There is no contradiction or splitting or extrapolating positive personal convictions in order to follow what is good when someone begins to believe in God. The "outside power" is no teaching something new, is confirming what we know is true and right. We see that "power" not as the source of an abstract knowledge that we learn like we learn numbers and equations , but as the ultimate authority that happens to approve what is good, right, noble ; and disapprove what we ALL KNOW is wrong and evil.I agree, there are many people who live what we call a "good life" and don't believe in God ( recently a watched a video of a dying philosopher that was quite interesting ); but to imply that those who believe are following what we call the good and honorable life just because God taught them , or that they are "splitting" their inner self or being coerced to do so by an outside "power" is far, far from the truth.
Please God keep this man alive and healthy so that he can keep refuting the absurdity of atheism, he is so intelligent it is amazing!
How did he "refute atheism"?
@Htx457 That's why I am asking how he refuted it.
Unless of course he demonstrated irrefutable proof of the existence of a god - that would indeed refute atheism.
@Goggle products Wow that was painful to read.
@Htx457 No, Einstein said “The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility…The fact that it is comprehensible is a miracle.”, but close enough.
I have some questions about your second paragraph:
1) When was it established that nothingness is responsible for everything? We do not know what is the cause of everything or even if cause and effect apply to the beginning of the universe in a way we are familiar with.
2) The process is not said to be random or unguided, just mindless. It is based on the fundamental properties of matter and energy and guided by the effects they have on each other.
Why do you think that can be called random and unguided?
3) Darwinism has nothing to do with the universe or the mind, just with a change in the gene pool of living organisms over time.
This isn't really a question... more of a correction.
4) How do you know the idea of a god would be impossible?
5) How do you know that we are not automata?
@Htx457 "Darwinism is held to as high a standard as the big bang and they're both dependant on one another."
If you define it that widely, then *everything* has to do with everything else because all of it happens in the universe. I think that is seeing things so braodly as to make the argument useless.
Darwinism does not talk about the origin of the universe or anything. It doesn't even talk about the origin of life.
So my statement still stands.
"The fact is, is that it's a state of physical and material, from a state of nothing.
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To which scientists would certainly disagree, so I have to ask you again, when was it established that nothing caused something?
"But if you ask physicists what nothing is. Nothing is not really nothing as in No thing. So I'm afraid we're at a point here which this is exactly where reductionist hit the wall. And it shows."
Not really, people who haven't thought things through usually say stuff like "everything supposedly came from nothing" to which scientists reply that "nothing" can, per definition, not even exist, so there must have been something.
"Sure cause and affect cant be proven to have existed then because it comes as a result of mind and observation and hypothesis."
Uhm... no? It comes as a result of causality and the forces that guide interactions.
Or are you arguing that without a mind witnessing things, there is no causality?
"And I would hesitate then to trust much that comes from it or as a result from it, if it was truly mindless."
Why? This would imply you don't trust your PC when it does calculations for you. I mean, in the end it's a mindless thing, a simple automaton working only based on the laws of nature?
"Well unless you're going to imply some rational genius behind it, then yes it is random"
That's not what random means... random means unpredictable, which is largely not the case, at least not on a makroscopic scale, which is essentially the only scale that our experience takes place on.
Things don't need a rational agent behind them to not be random.
"And it is in fact said to be something that didnt have to happen when it did, or neither result in how it did."
So? That doesn't mean it was not guided by the laws of nature from the point when it started until now.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than hearing John Lennox speak. There’s a certain calmness about it.
Yes you can see the man is close to God.
Fool do you realise how much money John has made from all this God stuff did you ever ask yourself why God was so good to John while ignoring children starving
@@mick1gallagher Have you ever read what theologians have said about the topic of good and evil for thousands of years. Have you ever read how pathetic atheists resposes are to these challenges from theists. Many times atheists look for reasons not to believe in God to justify the sin in their lives. Do you realize you are complaining about evil to justify your belief God does not exist? If Atheism is true, it makes no sense to talk about good and evil. Atheisms worldview has no justification for the concept of good and evil. Theists worldview does have a justification for the moral law.
@@randomperson-gp8ph Frankly, I don't believe in atheists.
@@randomperson-gp8ph The terms ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are merely labels that humans use to categorise behaviour, or actions, or the consequences thereof.
No god is needed for this. Pain is the driver. If it hurts, you or I, then that is usually considered ‘bad’ (although some pain may be necessary for ultimate ‘good’.
Just can’t see how sentient beings that can observe actions, reactions and consequences need a ‘god’ (whatever one is) to help with what is really just a vocabulary thing.
56 years old, 22 years married, two teenage boys. How to live a Christian life unapolegetically amidst the secular barrage of scientism on belief - disorienting my value system harshly in the wide world inflections sociologically until....Dr. John Lennox . Could not be more grateful. on behalf of myself and the spiritual life of our children thank you Dr. John Lennox.
John Lennox's lectures are always powerful. God makes the progress of science possible. Thank you for this
Lennox is so bad are reason & logic.
A house divided cannot stand.
We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland.
Come, let us worship Jesus.
Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings.
Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing.
Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs.
Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification.
A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature.
Oppression builds character among the dominated.
Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications?
Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar?
My sheep hear my voice.
Think not I come with peace, but sword.
The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too.
Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on.
Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it.
If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command.
We know there is no god outside of fiction.
Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control.
Think not I come with peace, but sword.
I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status.
When you realize the Gospels are mythology based on Greek epics - Dr. Dennis MacDonald
there should be a godwin's law of scientists of faith, to be fair once upon a time you'd wind up dismembered if you weren't
a religist, folks claiming their religions promoted science are really just
boasting they would kill anyone who didn't sign up, and besides if you want
to act the fool and play at alchemy, what better environment than superstitious
mentally deficient nincompoops who like to dress up and wear silly hats - yes
religion is responsible for einstein's brain.
Thank God John Lennox's discussions and debates are on CZcams ! I would never have found them or read them without this amazing "platform". THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.
God bless John Lennox! I have learned a lot from him, and I am forever grateful. God bless you guys!
Lennox is an absolute beast! He has to be one of the coolest grandfathers on the planet!
@Goggle products How can one be so stupid? It is near constant momentum of the Earth that prevents us from sensing its motion. The gravity comes from the attraction between us and the planet Earth not from motion. Birds have wings that enable them to defy the gravitational force applied to them for a moment until the next flap of their wings. Oceans can not defy gravity because they do not have a means to do so. Research the Law of Gravity. Those objects that we see from trillions of miles in outer space are stars like our own Sun (which is also a star, BTW).
If you want to see a satellite in space take a look at the video linked below at 5 min 52 sec.
czcams.com/video/LIq6GzT4QT8/video.html
Then go somewhere where you won't be so dumbfounded.
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Wow, so much ignorance. Please engage your brain.
Even without the fact that I watched the first moon landing live, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming.
The evidence for your position is CZcams conspiracy videos and nothing else.
Dr Lennox is one of my favourite speakers and writers. He has an amazing mind, knows how to communicate profound truths to the layman and has a humble and engaging spirit.
Christine South Agreed.
That was perfectly stated Christine S.
Well said. ♡
Gotta love the humility coming out of these Christian apologists. Oh Gee, I'm just a simple person humbled by the greatness of God, oh, and by the way, I know the mind of God and I can explain his will, his reasons for intervening into human affairs, how he created the universe, etc.
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Lennox is always a pleasure to listen to. What I can't fathom is how some came away from his debate with Dawkins thinking Dawkins had won. o.O
If Dawkins had a debate with God himself, Dawkins followers would still say he won
Cognitive dissonance
tchristian04. Exactly. God cannot compete in every human's brain because he does not exist in every humans brain. So he can only win in the brains of his believers. But believers have different gods. So I'm not so much interested in which brains he wins as long these people do not harm anyone.
I think Dawkins followers thought he had won because he was basing his arguments on evidence and facts.
Lennox followers though he did better because he appealed to faith and god which his followers buy in to.
170221dn. "Evidence" is also about communication and common sense. What are the things about which we can have common sense without claiming things about people of other cultures cannot have a common sense with us? Religions seem to fail in this enterprise.
Eric, Shawn Rhymes here. I really enjoyed the setting for your talk with John Lennon, I mean John Lennox. LOL 😇😇😇 I loved his thoughts on the mind and the brain. I've also enjoyed your talks with Steve Myers. Thanks for the You Tube video.
Galileo said "Math is the language in which God wrote the universe" This is a great video and I will be sharing this for sure. Following Lennoz as well.
“The reason I believe in God is not because I’m a Christian; it’s because I can do science.” 😮What a statement.
And a Muslim can say the exact same thing. Would you still consider that statement awesome?
@@THOMSY01 A Muslim couldn't say that, because Muhammad said multiple things that go against science completely. For example, he claimed that a fly carries disease on one wing and the cure on the other wing. He gravely mistook the way that semen is produced, as well as the biological process of a child growing in its mother. He also got the planet's orbit wrong. These are just a few things, so if a Muslim was a scientist, he/she would have to admit that the Quran gets major facts about biology wrong, which also means that the Quran isn't perfect, which means it couldn't be Allahs word since yall claim its infallible. So no, without denial, a Muslim could not say the exact same thing.
@@THOMSY01 czcams.com/video/uYzC3O9zx2c/video.html, God is the same for all, just like the sun is the same for all.
This is something that should be listened to and absorbed by all university students.
So glad this event is in France-those people need the TRUTH!!! Love them 😭❤️
What a lovely setting!
I would love to spend a whole day with Dr. Lennox. What an awesome man.
I’m a very engaged academic in my field. But Socrates in the City continuously brings me thinkers I’ve never heard of and that I end up doing a deep dive on.
Thanks
I can listen to John Lennox all day.
John Lennox and Ravi Zacharias are 2 men I can listen to all day! Their content is insightful but their manner and speech is just so warm and genuine. You can tell they love people
One of them liked people in a very bad way turns out.
The setting for this conversation is amazing. Just a beautiful scene...
We need John forever ♥💙
I can listen to Dr. Lennox all day long. He inspires me immensely.
Welcome back, SITC!! I had have the privilege to listen Dr. Lennox live at Presbyterian Church of Lapa in São Paulo, Brazil, years ago. God bless you all!
Lennox is one of MY HEROES!
I live near Mt. Rainier :) Very cool, what a small world we live in where we are all connected. Love Dr. Lennox!
This is the most intelligent content around! Lennox is a boss and a teddy bear. I'm excited for Part 2! Eric, my brother, "the dogma lives deeply within you", and I wouldn't have it any other way! You've been in instrument for change in my life, thank you.
I had a little doubt but with this interview ive got everything i needed to know about the universe and excistance John Lennox is most rational scientist ive ever listen to God bless u for us❤
Where did the doubt come from?
@@h.w.6563 Бог существует.
Lord thank you so much for John🙏So glad I gound this Gentle Man😀Please God give him 40 more years. Cheers!
wooooooaaaaahhhhh i thought this channel was dead...but it has risen!
Such a gifted mind! Thank you John Lennox for sharing your light and salt. God bless you!
So thankful to listen to this. :)
What an absolutely brilliant man.
I am so so happy to have more SITC to watch !!!! Thank you Eric and thanks to all the donors.
Two of my favorite people thanks for this.
Every second is fascinating.
I love the positivity in the comments so refreshing 😊
Tanya Mom agreed
Dear GOD, bless Dr. Lennox!
This was the first time that I had encountered the argument that thought cannot be reduced to a materialistic- only basis.
I shall add this concept to the Kalam cosmological argument, and improbability of evolution explaining DNA to my most favorite "reasons to believe!" ❤
Absolutely engaging and thought-provoking. Thank you!
Thanks, Eric! John Lennox is my hero.
Thank you so much for putting this up! Can't wait for part 2!
Thank you Eric and SITC; keep the faith!
@13.00 mins reminds me of the phrase by the Indian Math genius Srinivasa Ramanujan "An equation for me has no meaning unless it expresses a thought of God". Such a great talk from John Lennox
Fantastic conversation. Eric, you are an excellent interviewer. I’m thankful to have discovered you not long ago (on Daystar’s Ministry Now) because you have become one of my favorite people, and I love your books! You are a sincere and humble truth-seeker and have an incredible wit. Love this video and Dr. Lennox. “Part of the reason people pit science against God is because they think science is the only way to truth.” This is certainly provocative and such an important point. Thank you!!
Thank you Professor John Lennox. I always learn something new every time I hear him .
Thank God for Godly Scientists…
Love in Jesus !
Socrates you're back! Thank you Jesus :D
Socrates was an atheist.
Calling this man Socrates incarnate is like calling Justin Beiber is Beethoven. Go ahead, but you couldn't be more wrong.
Also, the irony is too rich here.
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Who said. Evidence please.
@@eddieboggs8306 Plato
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Ok never knew. Like Plato better any way. Say didn't Socrates kill himself with hemlock?
Great presentation Eric, thank you. I've followed Dr. John for many years and read most of his books. Each time the experience brings fresh truth and hugely stimulating ideas to the table. Looking forward to more...every blessing for your efforts. DW (New Zealand)
Simply fantastic!
Love these videos! Awesome to see one again after quite some time.
I'm with you Arclight, I was so excited to see there's another one! :)
Very good Eric. Thanx!
Lennox indeed delivers answers. Fantastical, wish-fulfilling, unscientific, faith-based, warm and fuzzy answers.
Faith is all that science has at its bottom. And all of the universe is fantastical isn't it.
@@johnjohnson1997 If you don't know the difference between verifiable, objective evidence and faith, there's no point in furthering the conversation with you.
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 Again, faith is at the bottom science. No need for the wordy garbage. Understand? Or has science answered the question about origin and purpose.......
@@johnjohnson1997 Actually science has gone a long way toward answering the origin question. The Big Bang? Evolution thru Natural Selection? Or maybe God making the earth in six days and Eve from Adam's rib is more appealing to you.
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I feel smarter as soon as he says hello.
that doesn't say a great deal about you then.
What an amazing experience, John Lennox is a great man, God bless.
Love these Eric, a wonderful dialogue! :)
I love this so much. John Lennox is a treasure.
Wow what an awesome talk. These are ideas that are all brand new to me. I am dumbfounded by the brilliance of this.
Please open your experience to other points of view. It's like someone trying ice cream for the first time and being amazed by the taste of vanilla.
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 What other points of view are you refereeing to? I'm certainly open to other points of view if I find them compelling.
Not sure how many times I watch this. Brilliant!
I’m overjoyed at a new upload. Thanks!
I love John Lennox! Thank you for these videos Eric! 💖
I heavily credit John Lennox and David Gooding's book Christianity: Opium or Truth? For pricking my hard heart as an unbeliever in 2017. God bless those saints!
How blessed we are to have a God who loves us so much ❤️
John Lennox: Infinitely Superior to John Lennon
Lennon is interesting to listen to as well
Logan Agle Hahaa! Yes, when it comes to theology, but I would much rather listen to John Lennon sing! 😉
Lol
@@malpreece5008 "Yes, when it comes to theology" I think Lennox' theological arguments are utterly weak.
@@karlschmied6218 Thanks for sharing!
Keep doing what you are doing both of you, please :)
Brilliant Wisdom and knowledge from Brilliant man of God.Thank you Heavenly Father for such great men to minister to me and the world.Praise The Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen ❤️🙏
I love when Eric interviews Lennox.
What a deep and profound lecture Dr John has given about the mind and the universe. A man of great intellectual and sense.
Thank you for the video!
@40:28 his reaction after John finished was the same as mine - almost brought tears to my eyes. Listen to the entire section about us having a mind over a brain, and how material doesn’t mean information without the mind, and that the letters within DNA have to be from a mind (God), in which, in the beginning of genesis it says, in the beginning was the word.
Start @30:00
Start at 27:30. A neat demonstration that every materialist philosophy very quickly devolves into a naked power game. Everything is in doubt? Okay--the only way to remove propositions from doubt is to back them with raw force.
Fantastic conversation. Eric, you are an excellent interviewer. I am thankful to have discovered you on Daystar’s Ministry Now because you have become one of my favorite people, and I love your books! You are a sincere truth-seeker and have an incredible wit. Love this video and Dr. Lennox. “Part of the reason people pit science against God is because they think science is the only way to truth.” This is certainly provocative and such an important point. Thanks for all you do!
Eric, your beautiful point about God giving us science to allow us to discover him, reminds me of the story Walter Hooper shared on your show about how the illustrator of Narnia cried and cried for Aslan story as she worked on the book. She finally realized Aslan was Jesus. That was CS Lewis’s goal…discovery. Much like discovering God through science. Brilliant!
"In the beginning was the word, not the particles'. This perfectly sums up the God argument.
God filled this man with wisdom and knowledge
Wow amazing. This is the man that changed my mind about god
The whole "information is non material" concept is really hard to get across to people. However I created a way to help get it across to a broader audience. I will say, "information iis not the letters or sentences that make up a note or statement or book." To this you usually get dead silence. You then break the silence by pasting an unknown language to the observer. Ask them how much informational content exist in the alien language. I usually use Hebrew just because most people I speak with would never have learned Hebrew.
At this point they are following to some degree. They get it, words are not themselves information. I then say, "information is the agreement to arbitrary rules." We have a concept of a dog. We then use letters to act as a place holder for that concept. This place holder could be anything, it could have been the letters "cat," it does not matter. The most important part however for the success of concept from one non material mind to another is not the english letters, it is rather the "agreement" that certain letters represent, or act as a place holder for a certain non material concept. Naturalism can't account for rules, or agreements, these two terms pre suppose mind brain dualism.
Extra: modern society uses words far too loosely, creating havoc in common understanding. For example "this ice cream is good." Of course they do not mean it is morally righteous, but that they like it. Let this run on for several generations and people begin conflating their preferences and desires for morality. In much the same way this happens in computer science. We speak of hard dives as carrying or storing information. This gives the illusion that information is material. When in reality hard drives are storing arbitrary specified sequences. Remember that information requires an agreement to rules, computers do not agree to rules. So how can a computer store information, which is concept when a computer has no concepts nor the non material ability to agree to arbitrary rules? It can't. The arbitrary sequences on the screen only becomes information when the observer who has agreed to the rules, translates that specific sequence to non material conceptual through by accepting and agreeing to the arbitrary rules beforehand.
Joshua Hults wonderfully put
Good point about information. I see information from one point as an objective representation of consciousness in its temporary existence and at the same time as a result of the creativity of individual spirit in the center of consciousness in its temporary existence.
This way information is a dynamic creative field and temporary "home" of unnumbered
individual creators which are all representatives of Primal Creator on the level of dimensional existance.
Pol Aris you sound like Deepak Chopra 😂
Dd s: I'm not seeing how this disagrees with the argument Joshua Hults is making about information being immaterial.
Dd s: But your "simply the word" is simply a little bunch of words, composed concept.
What if... just EVERYTHING is simply the concept!
How could you know? Through Mr. Kant?
But your comprehension of Kant - isn't it just another concept of yours?
One man said: "I know that I know nothing"... But again - another concept...
One of the most powerful concepts I ever met is - PARADOX.
Respect.
The issue of what happened before the "big Bang" leaves no room for science, or for anything else, for that matter, except awe and faith.
So when evidence doesn't exist, you're giving me permission to grab onto any nonsense that fits my faith = what I hope is true? Sounds like a recipe for chaos.
Currently taking a philosophy class where my instructor wants to dispute/disprove the existence of God. Listening up so i’m ready to give a good response!
How did the philosophy class turn out?
Don't know how l got to know about this channel but God knows that this is what I really want to hear today 🙏 🙌
You call it god but actually it was a YT algorithm :)
I love this guy!
Dear Eric, really appreciate what you do. Please try to bring on William Dembski: former senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute for Science and Culture to SITC. His book Being as Communion, is a much needed work to this debate on science and faith, and is a fitting follow up to this discussion with John Lennox. Best Regards.
As an Atheist I like Dr Lennox. Especially his veiws on Genesis prior to "Let there be light" Very much open to interpretation as there is no mention as to how long it took the almighty to make the earth.
amazing video that had me smiling especially at the end:) i like Erics fit and glasses im bout to take homie swagg!! lol
Amazing… 5years behind BUT I am right on time 💯🥂💯
This is absolutely amazing. Thank you God
Thanks Eric and John for spreading the truth. This is the truth right here. You don't have to believe them, experience it for yourself guys
The truth is meant to be experienced, not believed.
So it is all about the Roast Chicken! Think I am going to have to listen to this a few times.
This guy is a machine full of insight.
This video is ground gold
Lennox starts at 3:40
The best I have ever seen in science
Brilliant man
Some extremely good points made here!
Another way to approach the brain vs. mind is to say, if the brain is all there is, how come we all think differently? How come two minds can differ, even with an exactly similar brain? Thoughts can be within and outside the brain. Thoughts are immaterial, nevertheless they exist.
I think John Lennox wasn’t hard to raise as a child hehe. I could see that he is the kind who is obedient to his parents and respectful to elderly. His visible characteristics could affirm my argument.
For me as a laymen it's very simple....God created this Universe game, and us in it so we can find him by figuring out through science/patterns/laws etc how he did it! :)
You know that silly question people ask about lunch or tea with two or three famous people, living or dead? Thank you Mr. Metaxas for making that possible again and again.
Professor Lennox, I'd like to know you're thoughts about Ivan Panin, and his work on the Gospel of Matthew and the other Gospels and the books of the New Testament that showed the fingerprints of the Holy Spirit, and that it could not have been thought up by humans, only written as they heard it.
Everyone wondering about Christianity should look up Chuck Missler's videos (especially the ones from the early 2000's and 90's). He is the greatest evangelist that few have ever heard of. I would love and pray for people like John Lennox to come across his work.
Brilliant, Godly man!God bless🙏
What is the harm on believing in a God that tells you to love others as you love yourself; to be honest even if it cost you your life; to honor your parents; to learn and instruct your children ......the God somehow known by many of the greatest contributors in all science sphere throughout history ? I respect atheist and God does not instruct me to harm them or anyone . I honestly would like to know what is the harm to myself and to others ( intellectual or otherwise) that I or others will be subject to by believing in God
because you are splitting the core fundamental reasons from your inner self and subjecting them to an outside entity. You should be kind and love respect others and everything good you listed above because you think like that. Because thats how everyone should be. Because that is how you feel. Not because of an outside power teaches you. Not because some power tells you what is wrong and what is right. The morals come from you not from any other. So to answer your question No maybe there is no harm in believing in God. as well as not believing in any God. I find belief very important to discuss because every single person has its own way of thinking about life death etc.
@@fjolublar the "splitting " of what you defined as "reasons" from my inner self Never occurred to me. Also , I never became aware of those qualities when i came to believe in God: They were already in me( like I know they are in most human beings whether they believe of not). Unfortunately, it was almost impossible to follow them in this society ( not many ppl are forgiving and care for each other) . It was , and it is, more like looking in a mirror : I found In God that it is true ,and the ultimate guiding standard ( or God's will) to follow those good impulses and desires that predated the faith ( which ultimately validates them) ; there, in the ten Comandaments and in the life of the Mesiah , the desires of the soul and the will of God met, and found those desires to be one and the same, moreover: they were the will of a merciful God. Now seeing them now not just as good feelings and desires of the inner self but as what they are outside our own selves : what God wants for humans to do ," go do unto others as you wish others do unto you", You end up gaining inner strength to follow them no matter what the society you live it dictates as the "norm" in order to survive. There is no contradiction or splitting or extrapolating positive personal convictions in order to follow what is good when someone begins to believe in God. The "outside power" is no teaching something new, is confirming what we know is true and right. We see that "power" not as the source of an abstract knowledge that we learn like we learn numbers and equations , but as the ultimate authority that happens to approve what is good, right, noble ; and disapprove what we ALL KNOW is wrong and evil.I agree, there are many people who live what we call a "good life" and don't believe in God ( recently a watched a video of a dying philosopher that was quite interesting ); but to imply that those who believe are following what we call the good and honorable life just because God taught them , or that they are "splitting" their inner self or being coerced to do so by an outside "power" is far, far from the truth.
I love Dr Lennox ❣️🙏