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- čas přidán 9. 02. 2021
- Don't forget to check out my previous video, 7 Mistakes New Poets Make: • 7 Mistakes New Poets Make
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Professional advice is the hardest to take. But, everything you're saying, in both videos, is true. Left another comment, responding. But, good work.
I liked how meta this video is. lol. Advice about taking writing advice. but it is needed. so many writing advice videos, not just yours, I've noticed have comments not just disagreeing with the advice (which is fine!) but questioning the very nature of advice and the advice-giver. obviously, people can ultimately do what they want with their writing, whether they're aiming to be published or no, but I think that it's important to realize that being in conversation and community with other poets in terms of writing tips, best practices, etc is definitely a legitimate thing and a thing we poets may get a lot out of it. we can also say "that's not for me," and do what we want too--and that's okay. but the exchange can STILL be rich and worthwhile even if that's the case. and is part of the greater practice of thinking critically about our work in the greater context of poetry.
Exactly this! Well said! :)
I think you bring up a good point in this video with regards to how poets and readers should interact. Poet, unlike most other forms of writing, should be a social art form. We should constantly be in conversation with each other. Otherwise... why do we want to be published?
Exactly! I think too often writing is discussed with publishing as just the next step, but it changes from something you do for you or for fun into something for others and it shouldn't really be a radical idea that one should therefore present their work accordingly.
@@KayeSpivey boom. Exactly. You have to consider the audience and purpose. Fiction functions differently, and I think sometimes people conflate the two.
Truths Authors, I agree. I have taken into consideration my changes of generational niches and placed a twist on free-verse writings (sometimes one line poetry) to connect to my readers. However, I'm ready to write in other forms. Creative writing as my beginner, novels, and more.
Thank you for this video Kaye. One has something to learn every day of one's life. The day one feels to have achieved perfection is the day one has reach stagnation.
Definitely can't get foot and meter down quite right. Just get close-ish on feel.
I find your videos thoughtful and helpful :) sorry trolls found your last video lol
Thank you so much! And I don't mind them so much :) It's nice that someone is finding my videos at least! XD
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poem idea
title
I AM A TROLL ...
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Strident. Chanting.
Banging gong.
Left step wright.
Right step rong.
😂
Thanks
Thank you kindly truly for the poetry tips Kaye. I'm a continuing learner as a Poetess. I have explained a poem in my perspective many times.😂😢
I will keep to my readers, and audience perspectives in the future. Instapoetry is so interesting.🤔 I go to free verse and have fun. 🤜🔥🤛
Do we still say POETESS these days?
(Asking for a friend.)
#4 is rich with wisdom and nuance. Thank you ❤
I agree with the comment about poets hanging out their dirty laundry, we should want our poems to transcend ourselves, if they're too personal that's going to be hard work. Didn't Coleridge advocate using the abstract instead of tackling what we want to say more head-on? I think it's good advice because poetry that is too personal can repel rather than attract, often cringe. I recently read Clint Smith's collection Above Ground (have you read it? What did you think?) and while some of the poems about his children were fun and that is fine to write fun poems like you say, other times I felt like there was too much distance between me and the poem because they were so personal in places and didn't offer a reason for me to care. It also felt like some of the grief poems cast shadows over the fun and light in the book, such as the poem that mentions a school shooting (always going to be a tough subject for a poem, a bit like an artist showing us pictures of corpses), it can be kind tough/odd transitioning from school shooting to fun and celebrating life. I think if you're planning to publish a collection with multiple themes it might be better to group them all together in different sections. Thanks for the video!
Yeah, the first one is about texture and punctuation. I do get mad about that, too, reading poets online.
I write about ten poems a week, and thirty essays. Definitely agree.
Well, that's an old form, called "Argument". That's actually within the tradition, and can help with people penetrating difficulty. That's according to tradition, and is fine. Well, now that makes sense why you don't like it. I'm confused about why someone would want to make a poem only about something related to them. How does communication happen, unless there's some subjectivity?
Agreed. It's not safe to publish a bunch about yourself. There has to be some distance between you and your craft. Unless something is politically relevant to your audience. Like something they know about you, that they need an explanation for. I think that's my problem with Gerard Manely Hopkins's poetry, is that it's too personal (Too niche and auto contextual), and not anchored to anything that another person can share. Like the other thing you're sharing is true, that if you're going to speak utterances, they have to have some anchor to shared experiences. Like William Blake is highly subjective, but you get a sense of what he's saying. Versus Ezra Pound's Cantos, which are so out there, I don't think they mean anything.
Yeah, that's the complete opposite philosophy of someone I was talking to the other day. But, you're 100% correct. Poetry has a lot of potential, and a lot of communicative power.
Definitely. But, a lot of people at top levels say that's necessary. It's a different philosophy you have from the norm, but I 100% agree. The most interesting poets, philosophers, novelists, artists, have had shifts of content, theme and form.
My panties aren't in a twist. I completely, 100% agree. And so what if someone does it better than me? Picasso wasn't the only Cubist. Raphael wasn't the only great renaissance painter. There can be multiple people writing in the same disciplines, as that's just part of tradition. Some people invent them, some people innovate them, some people rebel against them when they get stale. That's the nature of creative evolution.
That is, also, my number 1 complaint with new artists. They have nothing to say. To be a writer, you have to have something interesting to share. Number 1 Rule. And I'm glad you ended on that.
Great advice! I like how you're very nice, but bold as well. I enjoyed your straightforwardness. I'm a beginner poetess and I was wondering if I should use skillshare, till your video came to me. I fell asleep listening to this guy's tips and woke up with your video on "when poetry became selfish " and got hooked. My question/comment is: I heard Billy Collins on an masterclass preview saying that poetry is like writing a diary that you want others to read... I find myself starting off writing a lot personal stuff. You thoughts?
Thank you so much! Billy Collins is partly right and partly not. He's just one teacher with one style among many. Personal poetry is very much in style right now, but there are many ways to explore the world through poems and not all of them need to be like writing in a diary. :)
Great tips on both parts. Can you suggest some new poets I should read?
Thak you ! Well writing poems , Temperature, metaphor sonnets octave , rhymings,
So much rule to follow , Does all the writers follow those code while structuring their poems
Or do we write lyrical poems and still attract readers ,
Rumi don't cry when I am gone was arguably the best i could perceive portraying death n sorrow ,
I shall post my poem to you before it circulates ,
Regards
Kisor
I'm here because of the comments on your previous video. Does that make me a "stranger on the internet" or just "stranger on the internet"? That's why I write. One letter, one word, one pause and the image is completely different.
Don't know if you'll see this but I have a question.. I've been writing poems since I was 11 years old. I write whatever comes to mind and it just flows from my brain to the page without pause. When my brain stops, there's a poem. This makes them all different and yet so, so much the same. My rhythm is the same, my lines are the same. Is this boring? If I want to sell them eventually, will this kind of poem sell?
That question I can't answer for you. It depends on your execution and subject and the current market whether or not it will sell. I like writing how you do too, when it just flows out of you. Some of my favorite poems have happened that way. The main thing you want to keep in mind is that if you do want to try to sell them, you'll have to be open to revising them. A raw poem has a certain quality to it that can be so personal and lovely, but if you want a reader to engage you also want the poem to be accurate and flow within its own set of rules so your message or story can be conveyed. I'd recommend you write a LOT now, however you like writing and save all those poems. Look back at them occasionally and learn more about your style. As you grow older, read more of other people's poetry and see what things you like or dislike from them, and learn about poetry! The technical side can be boring but it can also give you tools to write you would have never considered before and your best poem could come from something you had to really work hard and revise a lot to achieve. When you've carefully looked over and worked on your poems someday down the line and feel they could stand up to some of your favorite published poems, that's when you need to worry about if your style can sell. For now keep writing!
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Wow, surprised you were dissing Billy Collins, a poet laureate. I'm sure he speaks highly of your work. On another note, I'd like to know what you're taking, that makes you find everything you say so incredibly giggle-inducing!
I think if Billy Collins happened to stumble across any of my work he'd be able to form his own opinions about it, as he's an educated adult.
This woman is beautiful!
Some of what you said is VERY SUBJECTIVE lol
I don’t see how explaining your poem takes it away from the audience. When singer/songwriters explain their songs, people don’t go “oh well how am I going to enjoy it now?”
You can still enjoy art while knowing why the artist created what they did.
I don’t believe anyone that sets rules in art, truly knows what art is. If this were the case, we would not have different genres, different art styles, if everyone conformed to the “rules”.
Thats not the point of the video
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lisn u i am doin peoms for fun nos going to reand them any way or hire me to do them not doing them as a bissniss
Lol - how does that mean they're not mistakes?
There's a joke in music about musicians that play all the right notes but in the wrong order.
What's worse is insisting on playing all wrong notes in the wrong order because you don't plan going on stage.
They're still wrong notes.
They're still in the wrong order.
I don’t make any mistakes anymore
Are you sure about that?
@@strawberrymilk2987 I'm pretty sure. You want to see?