Paper Log Burn Test 2 With Your Suggestions
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- We have taken some of your suggestions from our original burn test and implemented them into 3 logs. Look for future videos where we will be making a new batch of logs with more of your suggestions and the inevitable burn of those logs. If you haven't seen our original log making or burn test you can find them here:
• Paper Log Maker; Step-...
• Paper Log Test Burn
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You are making paper logs - not firestarters. I think people are fixated on the fact that these are paper and expect them to go right up - paper burns easy and fast because of all the air - the process of soaking and compacting removes that, so they don't burn up quickly like paper but burn more like actual wood. Throw a log in your fireplace and hold a match to it and see how much success you have. You have to start your fire just like you would any other fire, and then burn the paper logs.
This is basically what i scrolled down to say. Looooogggggss. Not twigs.
Same reason I scrolled down! 🤣
Amen brother.
We use melted wax saved from the last bits of candle that doesn't burn. We melt it and pour it over the logs after they are dry.
Rule for fire: One log can't burn, two logs won't burn, three logs might burn, four logs make a fire! You need to have a fire started...you can't just burn these things.
Exactly what I was thinking. You start the fire with kindling and paper, let it get to embers and then chuck these things on.
@@ssss-df5qz I found that out when I was making these. And they burn for ages.
I made these two years ago for camping. Wonderful idea!!! Works wonderful, plus some of my buds heat their homes in the Canadian winter with the junk mail lol.. Great instructional
Thanks for the video. When you find yourself burning leaves or tree branches, ect, you can take the ash/biochar from the burn and use that as a mix with the paper. Or you can take just the ash/biochar and mix it with some dirt, wet it all down and do the same. Just a few suggestions. Good video!
Hi, and thank you. I'm also making these bricks.. but I'm spray painting them and adding a sealer. My intent is to use them as garden decor and home interior. They are easily movable and redesign very easily. I make rocks too..almost weightless and look so real. Using this press for my bricks.. but no press for rock formation. Wonderful decor.
Which kind of sealer are you using?
Thanks for sharing!
We made little logs from paper + shred leafs and wood kindling from the yard + waste oil from garage and kitchen
The logs ooks like a 25cm long tube with with 4cm thick walls with a 4cm diameter hole inside.
With some paper and a hand of wood-kindling starter, they fire and burn very nice.
Our press gear is an 100 years manual press, actioned by the near water spring (like a wheel mill, in fact is my grandfather's old mill) or by our donkey when is dry and the template for logs is made by us.
Maybe you all said that is an ancient gear, but it works and for us is free. Keeping my yard clean and recycle the unwanted received paper ads from spring to autumn, give us 80-85% of the needed logs for heating.
But ... our house is not big, about 60sqm (~650sqf) and we have low ceilings (2,15 - 2,25m high =~7 - 7 1/4).
my method is a wad of dryer lint under a small stack of paper bricks(3 or 4).... never had an issue with starting or complete burn.... The stack of them creates an updraft and gets them burning and will easily catch bigger logs(real ones) and keep em burning.
great tip, thank you!
@@easyprepper101 drier lint mixed with vasoline in an egg carton bottom is the absolute best to start any fire! ;)
Fire-proof logs! Joke aside, it would be even more difficult to get the actual wood log to catch on fire at room temperature like that. These logs are supposed to be thrown into a hot environment (running stove).
I use 91% rubbing alcohol to get them started and started fast. Just put about one ounce of 91% alcohol on the paper and no nasty smell either. Plus its super cheap to use rubbing alcohol too!
try to burn 3 or 4 together... remember it is a log just like firewood, you can't just set 1 log on fire, you need a few to create heat to fuel one another, in turn try suing one of the strike a fires in the middle of a t-p style fire set up, but with just the paper logs
+Joshua Hughes I will try your idea
Have you ever started a fire in a fireplace before? Ever hear of kindling?
David Gifford Sr. The whole purpose of paper logs is to use them on top of hot coals or an addition to wood.
charcoal lighter is a great way to start the paper burning. I also melt paraffin in a pot then stir in some sawdust and then pour the mixture into an empty paper egg carton, place a short string in each section, let harden and you have fantastic fire starters that burn for about 15 minutes or more
If you have any saw dust around. How about mixing it with the paper and water as you're making the logs. Play around with the ratio.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing as well. Figured about 30% sawdust or less. Idk. I'll see.
I like the iterative testing approach, but may I make a couple of suggestions?
1) Those air holes were too narrow and occluded to do much. The increased burning was probably more because the log was broken up by the action of drilling. The best way to add holes is to mold them in there from the start. I've used pieces of thick dowel and old deodorant cans cut up and placed into the mold before pressing. You end up with a log like a vented house brick. Requires a modification to the press (to the type you're using, I scratch built mine out of junk) to allow the hole molds to slot into the top compressing plate. Otherwise they brace against it and you cant press the pulp hard enough.
2) Paper logs (like real logs) are *incredibly* hard to light singly. A MUCH better test would be to stack say 3 of them together before lighting (better as in more realistically like the fire you would use to warm your house, I'm not bitching you out!).
3) Additives can help. If you have a workshop that's generating lots of sawdust, mix that into the pulp too. I've had good success mixing in sawdust, bits of crumbled old candles, coal/charcoal dust from the bottom of the sack etc. Even shredded old cotton clothes. Basically any sort of garbage made from natural fibers.
I haven't tried adding other accelerants like oil/petroleum jelly due to concerns about nasty smells when burning indoors, but I have friends that will add waste cooking oil to the final dry log to make them light quicker.
It seems to be best to add the additives *after* you've made the pulp and partially drained it, otherwise you lose a lot in the runoff.
I want to see a burn experiment where you mix an oxidizer to the paper log. Potassium nitrate or potassium chlorate.
I have a bed of hot coals .. I put 2 paper logs on top, go bed .. morning hot ready to be fed. .I put old wax on my logs
it looks like you have used all white paper. newspaper is good as it has a certain amount of a glue substance in it which help to bind the ligs together which is why people keep the used water.
I save cooking grease. Then I mix my saw dust or free wood chips and shredded paper as a dry mix. I introduce a small amount of my cooking grease, do not over do it. To much grease will make a grease fire and will effect the pressing of the briquettes. Then add water, mix well and press. You can brush some recycled cooking grease on the briquette to help with starting the fire. Cooking grease method is good for fired for cooking, you can use recycled motor oil in and on briquettes that are solely for heating. Motor oil is not a good idea for cooking it will contaminate food. Another addictive is homemade charcoal!
Useful information, thanks
How about wetting your paper with kerasole instead of water? Might help it burn and stay lit and yoy can reuse the liquid.
Not sure how much those "strike a fire" things cost, but another (cheap) way to start these might be to put a tealight candle underneath.
I would recomend using beewswax in the mix before compressing.
A few drips of candle wax goes a hello a long way to make them burn 🔥 trust me , (ok quite a bit of wax but cheap candle wax seems to do exceptionally well)!
I use 3 pieces of pvc pipe the width of the mold..fill the mold with slurry add the pvc, compress some..add more slurry and compress fully..pop out the pvc and there are the premade holes
good test
You think about using kerosene or some other accelerant instead of water when making them?
You need to add these to a fire that has already been established.
In the three holes put candles in them and light the candles. The melting wax will soak paper and burn like a wick in a candle. If you ďrill smaller holes that fit longer thicker birthday candles it will spread the wax evenly throughout the brick.
The purpose of paper logs is to utilize them on top of hot coals or with small pieces of firewood- simply trying to burn them as a single fuel source will not work.
I wonder what would happen if you soaked these "logs" in an accelerator....charcoal lighter fluid, gas saturated used engine oil.....for outdoor use of course. Wonder if you would have better results
Ty sir
the jelly definitely helps! only downside to it is the messiness of it... also wax as another option...
+TAC-HILL thanks tac-hill I'll have to try that
Melt down petroleum dip half a cotton ball in the melted jelly. In a can that size you can get about 20+ half soaked cotton balls. Put 5 under a brick that has 5 --- 1/4’’ holes an voila! $1 store. 9 cans of jelly and a bag of cotton balls good for a month or more
you could use paraffin oil... i use it to light my bbq, works like a charm
it u put reo bar in the brick when u make tham than when it is dry i can remove then whe it is wet it will be more eas to and than u have holse in then for air flow :)
This is a brilliant idea to place a bar inside the pulp when making the brick to press it inside! I was wondering if having something inside would work, and your idea would support that!
rather than drilling thru the logs after they've hardened, ye could put 6" nails thru as they are hardening ;-)
Ahhh the 2 finger approach..... someone's done that before.....
what about some kind of wick through the log, maybe soaked in petro jelly or something. Light that, then it would burn through better?
I roll up all the paper that I collect hold it together with some wire and put 2 paper logs on top of a store bought log and the store bought log burns up the other 2 and heats my home like I got 3 logs in the fire place
we use a small paint brush to spread the jelly on logs
Just throw a roll of toilet paper in there lol 😂
How much do they last? are they too smoky?
Im not an expert, but afew ideas could be compare different types of paper, dry them, make them coal, measure the kcal (or at least the heat wave) between each one), ose natural threes (i dont know the name in english...it looks like glue, pine usually has that too), the holes (well done, it braked) helps i think because the air is less and the heat the same so is more "dense" in calorific term...you could maybe start the fire in one hole? as many pointed out every log is hard to ignite so, try the efficiency in an allready done fire,
U can also use waste bacon or beef grease and waste vegetable oil, also infusing it when making them would be better instead of just on the outside of the log.
I was thinking to mix saw dust with shredded paper instead of sand. Yes, definitely would not try to START a fire with it, but maybe if that is what you want to do make some smaller and not so compressed.
@@paulinemccaleb6642Smaller pellets will burn hotter and quicker though, good idea depend on the application. They would dry quicker in smaller form also.
it I sell when how huch would I get for when
used motor oil will set it off as well
+Trent james I will have to try it.
Haha oh man. I'd legitimately go to jail here in California if I did that with motor oil. I gotta get out of this communist state!
Thank you, I am now thinking this is not the way to go... Does anyone know a better way to start a fire campfire without purchasing starter logs
Buddy of mine uses cotton balls with petroleum jelly on them. The cotton goes up fast but the jelly helps keep it from burning up as quickly. Dryer lint also makes good kindling. Saving left over charcoal helps as it gets hot quicker.
For an actual campfire I've had really good outcome with tealight candles.
However, living in the southeast and heating primarily with wood, I use pine cones harvested for free from the many, many pines trees around the house. A handful of pine cones and smaller twigs build up to nice fire in no time
And after you do that throw some dry lead paint and the fiberglass insulation to neutralize the toxic fumes from the regular paper.
I would try to use a smaller molding platform so you could make something similar to fat wood and maybe soak them wax and wood hope that they would have the same kind of effect as fat wood wood if a fat wood could chuck wood. Just throw them over some small lit twigs and then throw the bigger ones on top. That's just me though.
What about dissolving or just chopping up ping pong balls in mixing that with the paper Mash so that way that cellulose whatever ping pong balls made out of will catch fire nice and quick and burn hot as well as keep the log lit because the ping pong ball cellulose stuff will burn hot Burns fast but the paper will slow the speed down of it Bernie I think but crushed up chopped up ping pong balls or dissolved in fingernail polish remover brushed on afterwards then dry again
I really hope that this suggestion is not too late to be tken up
How about first of all devise a really good liquid retrieval system than substitute paraffin instead of water. as paraffin is not quite as flammable as gasoline, it is not quite as likely to explode in the case of an excessive concentration of paraffin, however it would definitely make the fire log more easily flammable . Also you can reuse the recycled paraffin
+crushed51 it is not to late. I’m in the process of getting items together to film another video. Thanks
That's great please keep me in the loop I will be very interested in the result :)
The holes should have been created when the logs were wet, clean through and through holes?+
This summer I will be making an update video
So many fire experts in the comments
What a lot of work for something that doesn’t burn for crap! Wet willow burns better than that.
Try to use pvc pipe while pressing them to make the holes instead of boring holes should be al the way thru for air flow
I’ll give it a try
How long does it take to dry a brick?
+Turk 182 in the summertime about 3-4 weeks. In the house 4-5 weeks.
Good test. I shred a lot of papers. How did you make the paper logs?
Thanks for watching! I have used a lot of shredded paper see the video I did a year ago showing the making of these logs.
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okay.
I put leftover frying oil and dry leafs
Try shed paper mixed with petroleum jelly.
You need to think of them more as logs (that you wouldn't even try to light with a match) than as paper (which you would expect to light right up).
Yep. Thus video us from 2016 and I have plans to remake the video
@@easyprepper101 So, have you been using paper logs since then? Are they worth the effort?
That bricket isn't pulped or pressed enough
I'm going to make the assumption that you know before doing this they are not meant to be burnt that way or that they don"t burn well that way
Try soaking them things in some sort of motor oil or corn oil or vegetable oil at least they will burn that way
just to add weight to some other comments, starting a fire this way is a no brainer, you have to start a fire, get it well established then add these as extra fual, then you have a win win situation, fire burns great. ps by the way paper on its own is crap for fires, almost non combustable material, yet everyone looks to paper to light a fire, pointless pointless pointless.
My understanding with making a fire is that it will burn a lot more things/materials once it is roaring and established as you call it, which means it's also way hotter in temperature! It makes sense that the paper logs would burn better under those conditions.
Have you thought of melting the petroleum jelly and mixing it all through the mash right before you put the mash into a mold.
that may make it dry a lot slower, the oil will trap in the water .
Stick a sparkler right down the middle !!
Baby oil would work well too and it would hopefully soak into the paper and not just burn ouside.
I will give it a try
Interesting idea. Looks like the jelly helps. I have to go back and watch the earlier vids.
Yes, it has been a long time coming for me to upload a video with everyone great suggestions. I have a list of videos I have been wanting to make. Me and my wife said it is time. Thanks for watching.
soak one end in hot wax. it'll make it light easier.
Vaseline lights on fire never would have thought that
These aren't compressed or fine enough. Paper should be shredded, add some saw dust, soak and mix for a while until like pulp, then compress under high pressure...then they'll work like logs.
It burns better if you don't compress the paper as much. The looser the compression, the better it burns.
What did you compress these with a Butter knife ?, these are the worst made briquettes I have ever seen
Pointless exercise.
Paper briquettes are supposed to be used on an _established_ fire, not by themselves.
Also, using petroleum jelly, or any other accelerant, completely defeats the whole point of using recycled material for fuel. You might as well just burn LPG - it's cheaper than petroleum jelly.
Trickle some olive oil on. Otherwise get a fire going with kindling. You kill the purpose of paper logs by trying to start them with nothing at all.
YOU WANT TO START A LOG NOT A FIRE STARTER
I think cow packs would be better
Kerosene mate.
instead of petroleum jelly try paraffin wax
These are not for starting your fire. Get your fire going, then use these to get economy on your maintenance burn.
Cud try kitchen grease
Will try
I reckon just stick with the standard, large, tightly packed paper logs, with a few strategically placed petroleum jelly soaked cotton-balls. Light the balls, move on.
Would make more more sense to put the three logs on the glowing embers of a fire than waisting time talking and preparing with jelly .
I wanted to test to see what would happen
this isnt how you start a fire sir. and if you make fire in your fireplace , do you put in 1 log? this isnt a realistic test.
Try painting it black
The three became to an absolute flop.
That sucks ! Me man wantm fire
I got an idea! Recycle and burn the 2x4s inside your walls that hold your house together. No need to cut trees.
not impressed with any of them