Wet Sanding & Advanced Compounding: E5 - The Whole Process
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- čas přidán 3. 02. 2018
- "To sand or not to sand? That is my question."
KXK Dynamics and I work through a video series discussing more advanced sanding and polishing techniques. Jason Killmer, generally regarded as the best wet sander in the world, and Andy Ward, also known as Proficient X, made the trip to OGHQ to drop some knowledge on me.
In Episode 5, Andy steps in to aid Jason in showing us how they work and entire panel.
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Matt.
Seriously this serious professionals at work. All we know and told, believe , is targeted at new guys to make it easy to understand . This is true professional paint correction.
Not to over ( jump the band wagon) This is beyond doubt the biggest eye opener, Holy F**k . Greatest video I’ve seen. Since top gear Bugatti video.
You have reached top video status.........if this isn’t talked about for years to come I’ll be amazed.
Im a total amateur when it comes to bodywork. But I had some rust on my wheel arches and I decided im gonna give it a go. If I mess it up I can pay a body shop... I sanded the rust to bare metal. Treated it, zinc primer, body filled, sanded flat n smooth, grey regular primer, paint, wet sanded, laquered. Left it a week, wet sanded with 1500, then 2000, then 2500, THEN! I got my brand new DA polisher and went to town on it with the stuff I've learnt from watching this. IT LOOKS AMAZING! It really looks like its a new wing some bodyshop did. Im so happy I gave it a try, and really enjoyed the whole process seeing it get better and better after each step. Im now HAPPY to tackle any paint issue or scratch I may get in the future. It just takes time and patience. THANK YOU for this massively detailed series. Im subscribed!!
I love how much harder the work looks for Andy with the dual action polisher. And the amount of time more it takes to get the job done for him versus the Jason and the rotary. Rotary first.
AyeTari yes when your cutting clear coat wool pad first to knock off the edge . Especially in body shop world . Then come back with a dual polisher to get that refined finish. Otherwise it will take a lot longer and then your using more machine work and can damage the foam pads because of the heat. Awesome stuff
Wow what a great Serie, it is simply a pleasur to watch two Pro's at work!
20 minutes in...
Thoughts - this is some next level $#!+
Nice!
Amazing, and the struggle is real with those machines on the floor... my god this is top level here, so thankful with these series.
This has been such an amazing series seeing how these guys work!!!!!
Great to see different methods and techniques. It shows how you need to develop a system that works best for you and the type of work you do.
So different techniques than I am used to. Glad to see them.
Jason seems to have great personality and a great deal of experience, aka working hours.
PS: Jason, spend some time just to relax man, 18.000 hours of sanding? Wow!
AWESOME!!!!!! TRUE PROFESSIONALS AT WORK HERE!
Thank you for sharing. I am in the process of removing the peel from my entire car. This series has been very helpful to me.
There’s Levels to this detailing game, sheesh!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
These guys technique and form with the rupes is so unconventional but yet so good! I'm loving this! Joe from next level auto detail kinda sort of use this fast pace technique when he's polishing too.
Andy of Proficient X does great work.
Great video. If a hood was that bad and was black or white I could repaint it for 300 bucks. In less time and process that thing
Amazing Vlog! no other way to put it. Thank You
This was great to see.
Im blown away...
As a newbie myself, my brain hurts lol. But great video! I will stick with the tradition cross-hatch until I get to Advance level and revisit these videos.
Hopefully I can get to this level.
I have watched all your sanding videos and with the exception of me using a cross hatching block sanding method we are identical on our sanding to finishing techniques.
What is your theory against cross hatching instead of your diagonal straight sanding. Is it just preference?
You'll never get there
Best in the biz.
Matt... u need provide trolley for put machine and compound it looks proper and will be easy to grab.
I learned alot of good stuff
For an absolutely destroyed hood, that is some crazy mirror reflection. Looks like minimal scratches left...WOW.
Officially 🤯
Andy did my car and did a fantastic job.
This stuff is blowing my mind mostly I think because I've caught myself using methods similar to this on my test panel and it's almost ingrained into me to stop myself and say "hey, this isn't the way you should be doing this". Really, really eye opening especially for a guy taking on mostly mobile work where I'm out in the sun trying to get in and out as quick as I can.
what 4 light bulbs are being used in the video? PAR 38?
This is some next level stuff...Gotta work with these guys. Only one problem. Ditch the 100,105,205. That stuff was is sooo yesterday. To dusty to boot. Their are waaaay better products on the market in mho. It's all about technique and these guys apparently have "IT"
After that guy did the wet sanding, do you think m105 and a foam cut pad would also do the trick? That’s what Im getting delivered tomorrow and I have a wet sanded portion already done and ready to go.
A cutting foam pad could probably do it.
Matt, the thing is that if you were to try this wild polishing technique, people would roast the heck out of you.
where do i get those sanding blocks?
I've been correcting for 8 years now, like Jason having started in a body shop background and moving in the direction of actual paint correction. But for the longest time I thought I was the only one who use Andy's technique to use small amounts of a water based polish with a heavy compound to extend my working time so my compound wouldn't flash as fast and as well as temperature management and help the overall finish on my cutting step.
Although I'm a huge advocate of cutting with a rotary for better results, efficiency and heat management, but in the cases where I did cut with a DA I always believed the idea of cross hatch patterns was stupid and you should be working the area at the demand of the paint itself working as fast as I need to moving the polisher as is necessary and working in an area as big or small as is necessary to get the result I needed.
Guess my point of this comment is, I have absolutely no formal training and I use both Jason's and Andy's techniques myself just out of testing and developing them on my own over time.
13:00 it's amusing, seeing Jason using a rotary the way a da would be used (not that it's a bad thing), and the other guy running a da like a speeding rotary 😁
Seems as tho everyone has a different method to sanding and polishing. One big thing in common is to get to your desired paint finish. So just do whatever your comfortable with or whatever you like. As long as your getting your results then nobody can tell you your doing it wrong.
This is next level shit my mind has been blown😱
Since I'm not a professional, what are my alternatives to blowing out a pad? With the air compressor and having that option available, it's easy to blow the pad out and continue compounding.
George Beato I have a brush I use to wipe out all the excess.
ThatGuyNamedScott. ...so the brush provides the same result as blowing it out. Well that was simple.
George Beato simple logic, stops the of getting clogged up!
Use a blower with a crevice tool smaller than what came with the machine
Marvin Enriquez ... Not sure you comprehended what I said, I don't have access to air or an air compressor. Unless I'm misunderstood your response?
That's pretty much how I've always done major paint correction minus the 3" Rupes step. Great video though. Not sure why he does that after the 5 or 6" mf pad.
What are the white spots?
Was looking forward to this one but disappointed at the lack of info ,what pads how much pressure and the really bad camera angle with the reflection at the beginning.
Not blowing that hood out.Got that nice air tool just sitting
I think the host is correct when he's talking about how much paint is being taken off. Regardless of how fast your arm speed may be, you are bringing the bad paint down level with the good paint. In order to do that a certain amount of paint MUST be removed to get it level. Yes arm speed keeps the heat down, but the host is correct, you are removing a huge chunk of that paint. however, unless you fill the scratches in, then repaint, thats what has to happen. I'm not sure I understand the guys answers to the questions though.
Bobby Alford he showed u with measuring gauge that it removes paint but almost nothing
He worked way faster with that dewalt rotary buffer his buffing game is off the charts‼️👍🏽
Not the way I use my orbitals. Hmmm. I prefer to let that machine and compound do the work. Followed by 1500, then 3000 triac depending on the corrections needed to the panel. Contour and area always jurists my pad size decisions. WTH
How would you deal with the residue build up in the pads if you don't have compressed air?
Change pads every 30 seconds?
Luke Field I had asked this in a previous comment. Someone pointed me to use a vacuum cleaner with a crevice tool.
Just watched a video on this from Larry Kosilla and it works well. Great way to improvise.
For a wool pad you can use a pad spur tool and for foam you can use a brush.
So what happens when you're working outside in the Miami heat?
if you did not know who they are you should think they are two crazy who are playing with some tools on a hood. Much estimate for them who are serious professionists, have thousands of hours of sanding and polishing of experience, know exactly what they are doing, have big big passion for that, but..... for me too this is too much. What before seemed a serious but easy work to do, now seems more complicated than going to the moon or make a Shuttle fly. I prefer much more to KEEP IT SIMPLE, that s what you can get for example from Rupes' Jason Rose tutorials that never made my brain explode like this! it is probably me that I don t understand. I will probably watch these videos again, after few days of decompression.... Anyway polishing with the light in your mouth is a cool trick I want to try!
13:17 😂
At 34 minutes you look like I felt, ‘WTF is going on here? ‘ 😳😜🤪
How come no ear protection. Those machines will destroy your hearing.
I don't think so. They aren't as loud as they appear on camera.
Who is the manufacturer of the air blow nozzle ?
Prevost
Boi got hands. Good job. #WORKTHATBOI lol. Call me Mr. Miagi
is it not M105? You guys kept saying 101.
Meguiars has M100, M101, M 105
M100, M101, and M105 are all different polishes.
M100, M101, M105 are compounds not polishes , sorry just being technical
Ken Bode If you wanna get really technical, they’re actually all compounds. Sorry, just bored at night.
These guys work with the material 40+ hours a week
You and I are normies. They're working with their senses, the only way to get there is work paint. Get hours in. Good insight from them.
Lol people who detail professionally are so fkin particular and try to make it sound like rocket science. It not. always think their way is the best. People saying next level s***, theres no next level. Its all preference. These guys preferences are SUPER unconventional. Doesn't mean its right or wrong tho. It all comes down to the result.
IMO This could have been done in less time if: FIRST whole hood was sanded instead of "mow down method" SECOND rupes 15m da w/MF pad w/course compound. (NO NEED FOR 3 INCH) THIRD same rupes machine with ANY fine foam and polish. FOURTH if you still want more shine and less "micro marring" use a ultra fine pad with the polish. U should be able to get what u want with just a fine pad and a miniscule amount of polish for the last pass. Spot compound deeper scratches. There u go.
The trick is to always lay your machines down on the floor. Apparently
Not enough water wrf
That seems too aggressive and time consuming. Dry sand with a disc (1500-2000) followed by 3000 and you could buff out with with just the rupes.
i would agree with you here, but like they said, this should have been resprayed, its just fun to see what they could do if the customer doesnt want to do a respray.
Those two aren't very bright.
Wow, I thought I was the only one that used 105 and 205 on the same pad. LOL
I'm sorry but I wouldn't let these guys touch my work car
Never have i ever seen or heard that much shit pile up in 1 bucket... But hey what do i know i thought that you were supposed to shit in the toilet anyways! = translation This guy knows nothing about what they're doing and at the same time tells them what he thinks would work better, but they say oh no this is our method and its the better way. 🤔🤔🤔 what a waste of orbitals and even more waste of rotary. Hell how are you supposed to take out scratches with dust all over getting into a 7 in pad on a machine that was purposely built for refining with a 5 in pad! like delete the video already dude never even let the orbital do any work. He just scrubbed the surface with the microfiber pad and the compound. Not 1 second of this video was funny nor serious complete waste of good materials and polishing machines.
What the f%#€ was that all about