Mandatory SPEED LIMITERS... Is this the end of motoring?
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Geoff and Tony from @Evcarnage discuss whether MANDATORY SPEED LIMITERS will kill off the motoring industry and our whole hobby #news #cars #motoring
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I know I earn money from this but the videos are getting unwatchable.
CZcams put about 9 adverts in the Geoff and Tony Chat video...!!
This has now been changed.
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Never be the driver, that's a commercial jurisdiction, always be the operator, that's your own non commercial fun.
You can skip to the end of the video and replay it, it will skip the ads..
Could it be that YT are doing this to make viewers click away from your content?
I'm reading fast Geoff but I need at least one non-skip video to keep up...☺
I hate all the ads on CZcams. It is ruining content. I pay £13 a month to swerve the adverts. I'm lucky I can do that but many people cannot afford subscriptions for what is essentially free content. I begrudge paying over £100 a year, but it is a price worth paying if it saves my sanity and protects my mental health
If only we could fit politicians with stupidy limiters...
They're busy climbing over each other, desperately trying to be the one left holding the 'I saved the planet' flag when a giant asteroid looms into view...
If we fittted politicians with stupidity limiters they would have to just sit there all day doing nothing... O# hang on a minute...
So you think that a technology designed to make driving safer and save lives and save you from breaking the law, deliberately or not, is stupid. I can tell who is being stupid here.
@@rogerphelps9939 Well here's the thing - I've been involved with cars and motoring one way and another for decades. I'm a car enthusiast, I spent many years as a freelance motoring writer and many more working as an engineer in the motor industry.
So I think I'm better qualified on this stuff than a bunch of jumped up windbag politicians who clearly want to force the people they allegedly work for to do what they want like a bunch of dictators.
As I've already pointed out on another thread, most pedestrian casualties are the fault of the pedestrian. But we don't see any moves by politicians to deal with this primary cause do we? Maybe we should make all pedestrians wear big padded outfits like the Michelin man eh? All that protection would surely save lives - but you'll probably say that it's stupid.
Speed limits are not some magic safety number. They are arbitrary numbers chosen by politicians - and many of them are now too low anyway.
Parliament would be empty!
Well if this doesn't increase the value of older cars I don't know what will.
my point exactly. Time to invest in some classics.
@@suecharnock9369 Bought one today. Well 28 years, sort of classic.
Looking forward to finally being able to leave all the new Audis and BMW's in the dust... In my Morris 1000.
Retrofitted
They are turning us into a poor copy of Cuba.
I'm glad I'm 63, and had a life time of driving experiences!
im glad i had any at all feel so sorry for kids these days
People my age already have to deal with a black box because of the insane prices for car insurance and now we'll have to continue suffering with speed limiters
Some of the speed limits are mental. You can go 60 on narrow, winding country roads with possible horse riders, tractors, cyclists and oncoming cars just around the next bend. But can only go 40 on some wide straight duel carriageways, even at 3 in the morning when there's hardly anyone else on the road
Here in Wales, they need to maintain a number if de restricted roads, and so country lanes are de restricted. But no one in thier right minds would attempt 60 on such roads. Its all a bit of a con, like having so many miles of cycle lanes. Non of them are contiguous, they start and stop randomly.
Well why don't you make representations to your local council or MP if that bothers you so much?
If everyone on the road drove at 20 mph they would change the limit to 10
15. Hehehehe
The only people who want twenty zones are the unconfident a to b drivers. Because they are slow they expect you to be slow.
They will the after that we will have CTO have as man with a red flag in front of us 😬😬😬😬😬👎👎👎😵😵😵😵😱😱😱
Bring back the red flag😂
From 10 to 5, then 4, 3, 2, 1, 0.5, 0.4, 0.3 etc.
Why are we taking any notice of the EU ? Just take it out .
I got arrested for taking mine out in public. 😁😁
we cant - Tories didnt do the job properly and the labour want us back in!
I agree we are not in the e.u so don t need to follow their shit
But the manufacturer will not build a separate version of the vehicle just for the UK 🤷🏻♂️ so it's a blanket thing 🙄
@@kevindarkstarThen don't buy any car, equiped with this piece of 1984 machinery. It's simple.
Lane assist is bloody dangerous. I picked up a new company car about 3 weeks ago, up to now it's tried to steer me into 2 cyclists because I've moved over to safely pass them and it's tried to pull the wheel back to move me away from the centre line.
If you use your indicator lane assist is off.
@@docfin1565 Yes, I know this, otherwise you'd have to fight it every time you wanted to switch lanes on the motorway. But it was a wide road, nothing behind me, nothing coming the other way. No need to cross the centre line to pass the bike either.... so why should I need to indicate? Apart from the obvious reason of 'So the car doesn't try to assassinate the cyclist' that is.
People never say I was given a company motorcycle
@@steve00alt70 Probably because they never are.
Point well made but... what the hell are you on about? 🤣
@@steve00alt70You can't carry on a motorcycle what I had to carry in my company car. Catalogues, promotional material, samples and so on. Also there isn't enough time to get into and out of the leathers at every call.
This will cause more crashes than prevent.
They'll trial it, be loads of crashes. They'll scrap it.
Mark my words!!
I was driving a MKIV Ford Focus for work a couple of years ago on the A2 coming out of London and all of a sudden the car accelerated up towards 100mph. The cause? I was overtaken by a French coach with a 100KMH sticker on the back and the onboard speed limiter I had set to 53mph suddenly re-set itself to 100MPH!!!! Luckily I was paying attention and the car only got to 60mph.
They'll trial it, be loads of crashes ..... and then they will still implement it
@@BillyNoMates1974that's more accurate!
They won't for this has nothing to do with our safety and everything with grabbing ever more and more control over us.
If this'd mean more deadline accidents, they'd only see that ad a benefit.
@@TheMentalblockrock wow! Scary!
If everyone puts a sticker on the back of their car with a red circle with 100 in the centre we can get around this.
Brilliant mate
Genius!
How will that fool GPS?
@@musicbruv it’s to fool the sign recognition tech
@@assettojoyrider But that is pointless, a speed limited system will use GPS.
Gone are the days of enjoying cars and driving swapping engines modifying etc,to think of the joy of hearing the exhaust and putting your foot down
youll be swapping batteries and electric motors instead.
@@user-lj9ld8ir1e You got a battery loicense? Oughta be lawz against it! Lawz!
Thode days haven't gone - you can still do it! And these 'limiters' only apply to new cars. I'm sure they can be changed, as all electronics can, with a remap of some sort.
@@user-lj9ld8ir1e more like you'll be in a UN smart studio on oculus VR 23hrs a day with 3mi radius restriction
The joy of producing copious amounts of CO and NOx poisoning vulnerable people and CO2 killing future generations. You sound like a cigarette company apologist.
It's not speed, it's driving too bloody close that causes most accidents!
Yes, or other bad driving error. 'Speed' is more often than not an agravating factor to the outcome, rather than the root cause.
Hire car in Spain, New Kia Ceed, it almost killed a cyclist I was overtaking because it decided I was lane drifting and steered me back towards the cyclist, then 10 minutes later it nearly drove me into a car transporting lorry that's back was empty so I assume the car didn't see it. I turned off the auto steer rubbish but it comes on by default every time you start the car. It regularly shocked me by taking control of the steering, great fun on mountain roads! Absolutely abore the bloody things.
I just rented a car in Scotland, first time I'd ever used lane assist- before I figured out how to turn it off it was horrible, on small roads passing camper vans etc, it wanted to steer me into the middle of the road- (no center lines on a lot of those roads) so it apparently thought it was all one lane.
The other odd thing, it wasn't doing anything till we drove through some rain, apparently it washed the cameras and it suddenly acted like there was a kid randomly tugging at the wheel- I don't know who would possibly want this. It wouldn't surprise me if they started charging a monthly subscription to turn it off..
The new Defenders do this. So dangerous!
I had a Nissan quashqui in scotland as a courtesy car, it kept saying people where infront of me and emergency breaking. There was never anyone on the road infront of me 3 times it did it.
Thats because they can see ghosts as tesla ghost hunters have proved@@anneg5720
I had a courtesy car with lane assist & where I live the roads are narrow but still have the white centre lines, and because of the width of the roads you can't help but keep pretty much on the lines - I thought the car was going to have a panic attack by the way it kept trying to steer me towards the hedges.
this is ridiculous and incredibly dangerous! Anyone who rides a motorbike will tell you that there are times when the best way to avoid an accident is to actually accelerate. I have actually had to do this several times in my car as well. Heaven help the public. absolute madness. so so stupid. About time the public rose up-against this sort of thing. So, I will be getting rid of the GPS and the fact that we are being held to these idiotic and stupid dangerous rules is every reason under the sun to vote accordingly on the 4th.
Anyone who rides a motorbike knows we never stick to speed limits and 80% of us advertise our speed with obnoxious loud pipes. It wasn't going to end well.
The speed limiter (at the moment, anyway) doesn't actually stop you from accelerating over the speed limit. It simply warns you that you are exceeding the speed limit. So no real problem, really.
Mr Farage brings out the worst in people. Perhaps this is because much of his creed plays on fear. As Shakespeare said, “of all base passions, fear is most accursed”. As my recent events indicate, many of his supporters run scared of free speech. Mr Farage’s success, therefore, would be a victory of sorts for those whose idea of freedom of expression is that there are two kinds; the right kind and the wrong, and they are the arbiters of both.
Take his recent remarks about Putin. The Reform leader said in an interview on Friday that he admires the way he has “taken control of running Russia.” Putin is no better than the worst of the Tsars, Lenin, Castro and Ceaușescu. According to Mr Farage, this maniac is to be admired for seizing the governments of his country, even if that involved the murder of his opponents and the suppression of the press.
In the Faragists’ desert of intolerance, grown-up debate has become a farce. Our justice system was founded on the premise that laws should protect us all, irrespective of our views or position.
It picks up side road and carpark speed limits and doesn't always know when it goes up. Result: You get continually pinged with false warnings about your speed. I can turn mine off but it comes back on after each ignition cycle.
@steveknight878. No real problem??
Until the software update.. over wireless toy have no control over,.. 🙄
You're spot on about speed not being the problem. Crap driving is.
Speed kills .. idiots doing well over 20 mph .. in a 20mph .. he was doing 80 in a 20 mph.
Absolutely wrong. You are deluded. Those who study road safety will tell you straight thatt speed kills.
@@rogerphelps9939 so by your deluded logic, me doing 70mph, eg, on a free flowing motorway, will kill. Doing that speed through a busy town centre is more likely to. Inappropriate use of speed can kill. Not speed itself. I don't need to carry out extensive studies to prove that.
@@JohnMintyTech Yes it will. You will not have ttime to react when the unexpected happens. The people who deal with the consequences know far more about it than you do.
When my kids were learning to drive the instructor told them the speed limit is not a target! My point is that drivers will get lazy & just put foot down as easy option despite weather conditions. I seem to spend my whole time worrying about my speed & avoiding pot holes!
Well you won't have to worry about getting a ticket, will you.
Motorists Lives Matter
Then stop driving like an arsehole
Back in the 70s when speed limits in Australia were still in mph, a few 35 signs were turned into 85.
Cannonball style … rattle can rebellion
I did that when I had a "Fizzy" moped.
Back in the '70s when you saw the "Unrestricted" sign - the black circle with a diagonal line through it - it actually meant there was no speed limit. You literally could drive as fast as you liked.
To impose a fine, the police had to prove you were driving at an unsafe speed.
This was the situation until around 1980 ish, when the blanket 100km/h limits were imposed.
Except for the Northern Territory, which maintained no speed limit until much more recently.
"...a few 35 signs _were turned into_ 85"
That's a suspiciously passive way of saying it. 😉👍
They want cars to be just tools to get from A to B (this suits some - boring t*^ts), self driving cars (for disabled people - great), but driving, controlling is part of a huge culture of freedom and escape, they are taking this away - have to get a motorbike and a bong (for the dash) thanks Geoff - your you tube content is great!
I'm so glad I'm old enough to have driven a souped up Escort in the 70's,
"Self-driving cars will only work if *all* cars are self-driving"
I've been saying this for *years*
So they make self-driving cars mandatory right now?
@@MaterLacrymarumimpossible!
I love to drive my car auto cars taking the fun out of drive
@@enfield7123 There isn't an auto drive car on the market that you can't still drive yourself.
@@MaterLacrymarum I wouldn't want a self drive at eny cost
We need to actually leave the EU.
🇬🇧 Reform 💪
and end to BRINO! REAL BREXIT!
Really, read this, Mr Farage brings out the worst in people. Perhaps this is because much of his creed plays on fear. As Shakespeare said, “of all base passions, fear is most accursed”. As my recent events indicate, many of his supporters run scared of free speech. Mr Farage’s success, therefore, would be a victory of sorts for those whose idea of freedom of expression is that there are two kinds; the right kind and the wrong, and they are the arbiters of both.
Take his recent remarks about Putin. The Reform leader said in an interview on Friday that he admires the way he has “taken control of running Russia.” Putin is no better than the worst of the Tsars, Lenin, Castro and Ceaușescu. According to Mr Farage, this maniac is to be admired for seizing the governments of his country, even if that involved the murder of his opponents and the suppression of the press.
In the Faragists’ desert of intolerance, grown-up debate has become a farce. Our justice system was founded on the premise that laws should protect us all, irrespective of our views or position.
We did leave the EU, this is partly why these rules apply to us instead of shock horror... using our veto we did have to stop these laws happening. Reform is the BNP with a nicer suit on, give over.
The EU isnt forcing anything on the UK, car companies just dont want to have 2 production lines, 1 for the UK, and 1 for Ireland and Cyprus.
FFS
serious talk ... we need a revolution
... also oh my, old cars are going to rocket in value :P :D
edit: they really know how to stop people buying new cars
I currently live abroad and have a 1999 mercedes sl500 , i would consider myself a bit of a car enthusiast , next year i will be returning to the uk, i will buy a shit box to get me fom a to b and thats it , nowadays there is no fun in anything
First time here, great content guys, 1 new subscriber and looking forward to catching up on your content👍
Self-driving plastic covered metal boxes do not see potholes, cannot see when white lines have been painted without due regard to the actual width of the carriageway, when sleet and snow obscure roads in numerous ways etc. However, perhaps it does indicate that the limit of any journey will be that 15 minutes.
They probably don't always see cyclists very well either...
@SierraNovemberKilo
> However, perhaps it does indicate that the limit of any journey will be that 15 minutes.
Come on then - explain what *you* think "15-minute cities" are.
@@anonnona8099 who cares what I think when there are active town planning policies driven under eg. C40 Cities/Resilient cities that promote a specific form of 15 or 20 minute city. Educate yourself and find out for yourself.
@@SierraNovemberKilo
> @anonnona8099 who cares what I think
When you write things like "perhaps it does indicate that the limit of any journey will be that 15 minutes". the answer to "who cares what I think" is anybody and everybody who cares about truth, evidence, facts, etc.
> when there are active town planning policies driven under eg. C40 Cities/Resilient
> cities that promote a specific form of 15 or 20 minute city.
> Educate yourself and find out for yourself.
I have found out, and I know what they *ARE* .
I asked you what *YOU* think they are.
I can see the new car market taking a slump.
That's what they want, less cars.
Suckers will still buy them and not realise.
Wrong. I actively seek out cars witth this technology. It actually makes life both safer and easier.
@@rogerphelps9939 good luck.
@@rogerphelps9939 As someone who drives a truck for a living, being restricted can quite often be a pain in the arse. Especially when overtaking on the motorway. Can you imagine all those Audis in lane 3 all doing 70.1mph, overtaking all the Nissan drivers hogging lane 2 doing 70mph.
What an interesting conversation, thank you. 😘
Reminds me about the guy who held up a stop sign in front of a self driving taxi which came to an abrupt halt and wouldn't move.
I have a 1-year-old Suzuki x-cross with this sort of thing, and it often sees the speed limit signs on the back of lorries, so sometimes it comes up with 80 or 100 🤣. It also doesn't always see the national speed limit signs when joining motorways, so keeps flashing up that I'm speeding when I join a motorway.
The signs are in kilometres per hour not mph
ha, and just imagine when it then slows you down and wont let you do the 70? You are going to be rear-ended and killed. God help the poor sod who couldnt do anything to avoid you.
@@peterclarke3300but the technology isn't intelligent to distinguish a number in a red circle as miles an hour as being different from the same number in the same red circle as being in kilometres per hour.
@@warringtonminge4167 I was answering a question on signs on the back of wagons
@@peterclarke3300
So was I, exactly.
Your modern car has no idea that it's looking at a foreign truck with X kph speed limit information roundel, all it sees is the speed limit sign and assumes it's an X mph limit.
Smart cars are stupid as pigshit, it takes intelligent vigilant humans to put them right.
Guy orders new diesel from European premium brand. At delivery he tells the dealer to deactivate EGR, taking full responsibility. That's the pushback against bureaukrats ruining our ICE-cars.
its near impossible in Australia unless its sent for modification to be used in special environments the voids the warranty.
iv tuned, blocked the egr and removed my dpf on my TDI ute, it stinks when its cold and smokes a bit under hard throttle.
also the exhaust is collecting soot and under mid throttle burns and smokes until it clears it all out.
im looking for a larger dpf to fit thats removable so i can wash it out if I do lots of town driving.
with the EGR blocked you can drive hwy speeds all year and never block the dpf because the engine hardly makes soot and the exhaust is hot enough to slowly burn the collected soot
You should add a solenoid activated bypass pipe and add your own burn control.
@@javic1979a blanked EGR actually helps prevent blocking the DPF, particularly in traffic. When the EGR is open, the injection system has to inject more fuel to compensate for the reduced torque. So you get more soot production. As well as the recycled soot being fed through the EGR valve itself.
Thatt is just crass stupidity displaying real immatturity.
So with the speed limiter.. how will the police make money off us if no one is speeding?
Just a thought..
Average speed. Point to point cameras monitoring your speed of distance. That’s what they’re doing in Oz. If you roll over limit downhill, fine in the mail.
@@patrickvanderlaan1151 mother F-er’s.. the police collecting money from us has just gotten easier 😡
They might lower the taxes on alcohol to promote DUI's. 😂
The real issue isn't speed, it's lack of concentration and anticipation. One day on the M4, I saw a car's brake lights come on way ahead, so took my foot off the accelerator. I watched as the brake lights of the cars in front come on one by one as I gradually dropped back. The guy in front of me smoked his tyres because he was oblivious until the last second. I didn't have to touch the brakes.
Still watching boys. Three videos I think two on here and one on carnage. Great stuff.
same.
Snap, breakfast and lunch now ticked off 🍳🥓🥪☕👍😀🇬🇧
Someone make a video where they find the unit that does all this GPS and lane assist etc and take the sim card out it..or unplug it, and see if the car still drives. Great video lads.
Always in the boot or hatchback on all new cars
It will be a country specific option in the programming, literally ticking/unticking a box on a laptop.
You can't remove the telematics module on most modern cars as they tie the immobiliser into it, so the car wont start if you remove it. You need to code it out
I rebuild salvage cars and most of the radar is in the front bumper (little black square) and behind rear view mirror, we run lots of them about for different reasons before they are finished and they work fine. Long term you can code it out as the person above says, just tell the car it doesn’t have that system basically. It’s not hard to do, but they’ve made it harder in recent times (VAG).
I love this format. It's like the interview section on the original Grand Tour.
Get even more guests, perhaps with two sitting in the back?
Faraday cage around the aerial and GPs unit...😉
VOTE REFORM ON THE 4TH TO SAVE TO THE UK!
I may, but it won't.
Not a chance
The UKs gone mate.Nothing going to stop a certain demographic taking over.Shariah anyone?
I`d rather stick wasps up my arse than vote Deform!!
The country needs change I agree. But a change for the better not for the worst. Don’t let fear be your motivator. Don’t let Farage paralyse you into believing his myths
14.13, now you know what all those cameras are for!
Well, with universal adoption of this there will no longer be any need for speed cameras. Perhaps you are saying that you wish to have the "freedom" to conttinue breaking the law.
@@rogerphelps9939 FFS you go back to the matrix!
OK, more of this, pls! The banter is the same reason 'the news' on TG 10 years ago, was sooo good.
I live inside M25 you are right , no car needed, I walk everywhere or jump on tube. My last car was an M240 my family & friends when I sold it last summer were shocked as I always loved cars , started with a MK2 Escort 1600 sport in 85” lol , I told them after years of driving , I am giving up because it’s not only not fun I hate it , once the freedom of the road was so beautiful , it’s been absolutely destroyed into an unrecognisable headache , also no classics around here ULEZ £12.50 a day 🤦♂️ good content guys much love 🙌🏻
That's their intention !
You are an example of their tactics at work !
I can see a disaster coming up in the pipeline and accidents everywhere.
Malthusian concept!😂
It's already happening.
remember they are depopulating....by any means available...........could have a day of carnage when the system suddenly drives all cars at 100mph into each other. ooops.
Wrong. Seems you are too dense to appreciatte thatt this technology has been extensively trialled before being mandatted for new cars. It makes sense too.
I remember people having a similar attitude when seat belts became mandatory. Let's not forget these limiters can be turned off if you really want to exceed the speed limit.
If you're going out to alter the road signs then save time, effort and paint by just adding a 1 before the 30 instead of changing the 3 to an 8. That should cause some excitement.
find a paint that is clear to the naked eye but is black to the cameras
Yes. Infrared blocking clear lacquer...
@@javic1979 No you need to be able to innocently point to the reason why you were doing 120mph
Love you guys chats, brilliant!!
All my cars are at least 10 years old and some are up to 25 years old I’ll never buy a new car!
For every 'electronic hindrance' there will be a hack that circumvents it. GPS blockers exist. Ad Blue can be disabled. Lane assist can be 'default-off' and there's no reason speed limiters can't be bypassed either.
but why should we have to be bothering?
I can see second hand cars getting more expensive than new ones! Oh wait - its already happening with (s)EV's................
@@suecharnock9369 I agree. This is why I have an '05 Mazda that I'm fanatical about keeping on the road.
It can be mapped out no doubt
I don’t disagree, wait for things to be scanned at MOT time, deactivated = fail, or if there’s an accident and they interrogate the electronics and find they’re not OEM they’ll refuse to pay out. At least it won’t happen in roadside checks as they’re all busy monitoring Twitter, allegedly. I’m guessing in the not too distant future insurers will be making it difficult to get insurance without your car being “1984” spec … the government are like an ingrown toenail, a constant nagging inconvenience that’s determined to ruin your day and make mobility difficult.
3.4% of accidents are due to speed... as published by the TRL - Speed does not kill, bad driving kills
Here's something else to throw at the 'speed kills/20's plenty' muppets.
Official UK figures for collisions between pedestrians and vehicles for the period 2016 t0 2021 show 34,726 fault of predestrian against 19,184 fault of driver/rider. And of the latter, just 1,057 had exceeding speed limit as primary cause. So clearly by far the majority are pedestrian fault - but do we see politicians advocating jaywalking laws?
@@grahambell4298 so if I just do a quick sum in my head, so don’t hold me to the exact figure, that works out at just under 5% of RTCs have a speeding factor.
@@glynnepritchard2526 Yes, that would work out at roughly 5% - and official figures over many years have shown that 'roughly 5%' of RTAs having speeding as the primary cause to be fairly consistent.
Remember the '1/3 of accidents are caused by speeding' lie?
@@grahambell4298 Im an infrastructure engineer, Ive worked all over the world and read many research papers from various countries. TRL have generally been truthful and consistent with their results, but you cant collect tax from the masses if you make the facts widely available.
@@glynnepritchard2526That's a bit lower than I found several years ago but it's about right.
My mums car has an ISA fitted, which is off by default. I tried it once. As it uses just a camera to determine the speed limit, it didn't know the speed limit changes when the sign is hidden in a hedge. If you just start a journey, it doesn't show a limit and it's blank, so you can speed. And it doesn't distinguish between single carriageway and dual carriageway, so it thinks national speed limit signs are all 60mph and bongs at you when you're doing 70.
Also, had the adaptive cruise control set to 50mph through roadworks on the A14 once, and it had a hissy fit due to the single lane with barriers either side, and decided to speed up to the car in front at 70. When I turned it off, multiple warning signs popped up to do with the ACC and forward collision warning not working until I turned it off and on again...
The case of audible alarms when speeding reminded me of when SatNavs were a new thing. My son borrowed my SatNav as he was visiting someone in darkest London. I had not changes any SatNav defaults and gave him the manual in case he wanted to change anything. I got an expletive laden text message complaining it kept bonging at him. I offered three suggestions:
1. Stop speeding.
2. Unplug the SatNav.
3. RTFM (read the friendly manual).
No further texts...
Thanks for the Top Quality banter Guys
It’s only going to encourage people to hack into and bypass these systems, assuming they aren’t already. I’d say it’s like DRM in games; those systems didn’t stop those who wanted to violate the terms of service from cracking them anyway, but legitimate customers are punished for legally buying the game and left with a product that will be completely useless down the line, and that’s by design
Good business opportunity down the line or are they going to make it illegal to tamper with your own property (yes I know most of us are just the "keeper" of our vehicles)
A number of issues, 1. my car picks up the 20mph outside school signs even when lights are not flashing, 2. I pass a local builders merchants which has a 5 mph limit sign for their site my car picks up this sign and slows, 3. My car also uses GPS and unless a temporary speed restriction has been lifted from the maps the limiter actions this! There are probably more issues but these are most annoying three.
No shortage of poorly positioned speed signs that do not apply to the lane one is in. Then again, there are those that do not exist, so the system is stuck on the last value - quite a few M slip lanes are like that. Then there are some “advance warning” ones that look like limit signs - but that is not really compatible with the standards.
I have a new T-ROC picked up about 2 month ago, when you go 2mph over the perceived limit it makes a little tinkle - that’s ok but the major issue is with the cruise control previously on my 71 plate T-ROC worked perfectly, new version has a feature called predictive cruise control - so I’ve set it to 40MPH on the A52 and somehow its changed to 60 without me doing anything, I have now managed to disable that part of the cruise, now works as it used to on the previous T-ROC. bests wishes Jim
Cambridge Busway, it's a great joke, they got rid of loads of local buses to get people to use it, but didn't take into account that it doesn't run near the villages that were once served by standard buses, for me, I now have to go almost 2 miles to get to my nearest request stop, which is in the middle of a bird sanctuary, and the stop has no roof, or lights, and is open to all of the elements, lovely.
When first opened it had free parking, to encourage commuters to get off the A14, but after a couple of years they started charging for parking.
The only good thing about it is that occasionally some poor fool will attempt to drive down it by accident, there are traps to stop them, but I once saw a delivery van halfway along one section, he somehow got over the trap lol.
Great to see you back with Tony.
Ah, the misguided bus.
There used to be a good railway there, but the theory is that massive council corruption meant a stupid system paid off the lodges better. It's rubbish. In Germany they simply run small train trams on cheap rails, works perfectly.
Madness! No computer will take control of my car.
Tbh they probably have, I'd guess that you already have dozens of small computers doing shit in your car 🤷🏻♂️
@@kevindarkstarno computers in my 85 year old austin and when it breaks it can be fixed
There is nothing you can do about it. It will be built in to the cars computer. Enjoy.
@@musicbruv thing is Im never planing on buying a new car too many nice old ones about 😁🚗🚗
@@musicbruv I can repair my current car&keep driving.
Your insightful chat made me subscribe to your channel.
Hi Geoff I was searching through your videos for this topic just yesterday! I ended up going to my local dealership but they didn’t seem to know much about it. I also have a friend who works at a dealership (only as a driver and car cleaner) but word hasn’t reached him either. You also discussed GPS and other technology that can be used against the motorist; I became aware of Telematics watching Hunted on TV. My understanding is this tech is on all cars from April 2018 - you suggested 2014 in this video. I currently have a 2017 Seat which I would like to upgrade soon but I think I will buy a better model the same age or older, to avoid this unwanted technology.
The problem is that on A4 into London, both Google maps and car navigation read the side roads as 30 and the main road is 50!
Same for me on the A3 Kingston-by-pass heading out of London.
My car reads 20 signs on the entry to side roads but only flashes the speed limit on the dashboard
My 'lane assist' can be disabled manually by a dedicated button but I've fitted a device that makes it OFF by default every time I start the vehicle. The vehicle also has a speed limiter in the form of audible/visual alarms but I can manually disable it (at the moment) but through a three-level deep menu setting - a real PITA.
My Honda is the same. I'm pretty good at going through the menus fast to get to the disable option. Need a shortcut for it!
My Range Rover had a software update very recently and changed a feature called 'Speed Limiter' (which was a manual setting to set your maximum speed which I have never used!), to 'Automatic Speed Limiter' which now works with the Adaptive Cruise Control to automatically change the speed it is allowed to drive. So far, I have not enabled it! Mis-reading road speed signs does happen quite often though.
My mercedes has this, but not the speed limiter... A few roads where i live are 50mph, but it reads signs at the side roads at 20mph and shows this as the speed limit. How will that work, dlam alll anchors on or cut the speed.
We abandoned the 85th percentile rule for setting speed limits.
Nothing to do with speed is safety related.
Can't provide links on CZcams anymore so if you don't know what the 85th percentile is look it up. Basically, people who drive faster can be safer.
Who is "we"?
@@doriangray6985 Speed limits are set locally but are given overall guidance by the Department for Transport. If you look up the "85th percentile speed" you will see a Gov UK page that within it makes reference to setting local speeds and the 85th percentile. However, in the DfT circular 01/2006 it stated *"mean speeds should be used as the basis for determining local speed limits".* Now quite patently the arithmetic mean of speeds is very different and lower than the 85th percentile. As stated though, the speed limits are set locally, but the change of possible focus is national. I have no idea if the DfT circular has effect in Wales or Scotland, or they set policy separately.
Hope that covers what you wanted, but *Who is "we"?* didn't give much of a picture of what it is that you required.
Someone driving fast is concentrating more than someone doing 20 mph and window shopping. There is a place for reduced speed ( schools etc ) but on wide clear roads we don't need big brother.
@@jamesthomas747 Exactly!
@@jamesthomas747Yes. Do 70 on the motorway and you are bored, frustrated and yawning. Do 90 and your eyes are peeled for everything going on and you are wide awake. I don't do it as I don't like spending the next two or three weeks wondering if I will get a nasty speeding letter in the post. I know a guy who fell asleep on the M4. He was lucky. Spun 360 degrees, hit nothing and carried on.
No limiters on motorcycles, yet I would dare to say that motorcycles amount to more than cars.
Yes correct, they want control, to restrict your travel, to know where you go. Lockdowns, you can’t leave Worcestershire unless you get permission. What next logging in to the car using your digital ID, which first checks your identity, your driving licence status, your insurance, and whether you have exceeded your limits for that week, month etc, against your carbon credit
Thanks Geoff. Anything you can do to improve CZcams is appreciated. I think they are trying to provoke people into leaving.
My Qashqai often "spots" a £) sign on the way to Watton. The actual road is a National Speed limit, however as you come around a left hand bend, a small lane on right, has a 30 sign which the wind can turn around (well made UK road sign-NOT) the first few times I drove this road, I slowed down - much to the annoyance of the locals, including tractor drivers. 500 yards later (road becomes a 50, and looking back you see National speed limit sign.
My 2016 XE Jag has speed reader. It displays the speed limit on the dash. It sometimes reads the limits from side roads if they are approached on a ben, etc, so 50 suddenly becomes 20 ? It does also, have an actual speed limiter along with the cruise control which you can set if you are daft.
There will be more accidents because their are times when increasing your speed can stop accidents.
Weirdest thing I have viewed is self driving ubers in San Francisco. The passenger sits next to an empty seat & can work on their laptop etc.
@aja4191
> There will be more accidents because their are times
> when increasing your speed can stop accidents.
And did you know that if you don't wear a seat-belt you can be thrown clear if you're in a crash?
Or that a few drinks make you a better driver because you're more relaxed?
My 2019 Jag has it, but I have to select it. It's actually useful if you have a long journey and are tired, you are not constantly worrying about getting done for being a few miles over the limit. You can't completely ignore speed limit signs though, it sometimes gets it wrong. Turn it off and it doesn't annoyingly start acting 10 mph before you reach 3rd gear in a launch in a 70 limit. You can override it with the accelerator. A few times on the motorway, I guess the urge to go faster meant I gradually pressed the accelerator further and further. Suddenly snd with no warning it drops few gears and gives you max power!
My vehicle is fitted with automatic speed limiting ,but you have to turn it on if you want to use it.
It’s a good thing to use if used correctly such as in an unfamiliar area where there are speed cameras to avoid speeding fines BUT you have to turn it on
It is utterly ludicrous to expect any system like this to work.
There are about 10 locations in my area where the Sat navigation shows the speed limit as different to what the road signs are saying.
There is one in the middle of the city where the main road ramps up to bridge over a small side road and the railway lines.
[So you are going along a 30MPH main rd and as soon as you go over the bridge the sat nav flags it up 20PMH because it is registering the side road running alongside and under.]
Ha ha stick to my classic thanks 😂
Yep I drive a 1965 Chrysler Valiant AP6 and I love it. Costs $50 aud to register where my wife’s new Nissan costs over $400 and there’s no computers no beeps and no silly cameras. I had to drive her car the other day it’s a 2021 Nissan cashcow 😂 I can’t spell it but that’s how it sounds and it had a flat battery now with all the bloody beeps and lights it never gave me a warning I actually didn’t know what was wrong the stupid thing just kept clicking and making weird noises but it was a flat battery it cost $300 now my battery in my 60 year old car was in it when I bought it back in 2020 and it was already 3 years old. I use a battery charger that keeps my battery at 12 volts and turns off when it is charged so that might help but I think it’s because my car uses the battery to just start the car while in these new cars the battery must run lights, computers, cameras and silly screens. The best thing is my car is worth more than my wife’s car 😂 hers will continue to go down in value as mine goes up. What do you drive.
@@lezbarker2673 yes exactly that..good stuff.. I like my old land rovers here in UK..silly problems but easily maintained costs me £220 a year for 2 on road ..exempt from everything else ..
I use a solar charger connected to cigarette lighter socket to keep it trickle charged 👍
Modern cars just depritiate like u said sod that
I had a really close call on the dual carriageway a few months ago. I was in lane 2, doing the speed limit passing a line of traffic, a lady of colour in a little silver Mazda decided to pull out of lane 1 into lane 2 without indicating, as I was directly along side her with another car following close behind me.
My options were
(a) do nothing, get sideswiped into the centre armco.
(b) hit the brakes and get the too close car behind me inside my boot.
(c) deploy the 540i's V8 and accelerate out of trouble.
I chose C, still had to clip the gravel in the central reservation, but luckily escaped the unfolding accident.
I have no idea what speed I got up to as I was too busy in a blur of looking out the passenger front door window, rear view mirror, and windscreen.
P.S. this was on the a14 near kettering. I'd avoid the place if I were you, just to be on the safe side.
When I picked up my new Dacia Duster and took it home from the deal the car didn't stop making noises at me. It had a speed warning system. It's only I was looking over the settings that I finally found it. Luckily my car has the ability to turn it off permanently otherwise it would have been returned to the dealership.
They likely didn't bother with pre delivery inspection
This had better be worthwhile as I had to watch a 30 second ad by liebore..🤢🤮🤣
Use Brave browser. Zero ads on CZcams.
Always click on it, then they have to pay more.
I'm getting labour ads every video. I detest and despise them. I think CZcams is doing it to antagonize based on my choices of channels. They know i won't pay for premium, i skip every ad or back out until the vid i want plays, they want me to quit.
@@TakeItFromMe. I stare at the counter till it comes up with SKIP..🤣🤣 Im not paying youtube a penny..
@@JackOfski but it's 45 seconds of your life you will never get back. And i don't want to buy anusol. Not right now anyway and also because they have ruined my experience with geoff , I'm inclined to buy a different cream anyway, that could get messy.
There are three levels of ISA (Intelligent Speed Adaptation) informative, supportive and intervening. Only the first, informative will be mandatory in the UK, which just notifies you if you are exceeding the limit and many newer cars already have this feature. I agree that physically intervening with a vehicle's speed would be very dangerous, especially cutting speed during an overtake manoeuvre.
Do you have a source for that?
CZcams doesn't let you post links, but just a point in the right direction will do
@shadowdancer5x5i would guess the highways agency web site or the gov website...
@andrewpowell3398
> There are three levels of ISA (Intelligent Speed Adaptation) informative, supportive
> and intervening. Only the first, informative will be mandatory in the UK
Facts like that are of no interest to Geoff and all his barking mad conspiracy fantasist followers.
Yes, I agree , they shouldn't have speed limiters. They should take the speed limiters off coaches and lorries too. They could easily do 80mph or 90mph now. I would use the national express if it got to where I want to go faster and it would be great if my deliveries arrived a day earlier.
@@paulcope9819
> Yes, I agree , they shouldn't have speed limiters. They
> should take the speed limiters off coaches and lorries too.
Yeah - because there's no evidence that accidents with them at their current speeds are particularly dangerous, and no evidence that dynamically they are safe at higher speeds, is there.
> They could easily do 80mph or 90mph now.
Did you know that a 38t lorry doing 90mph carries as much kinetic energy as a Porsche 911 doing over 430mph?
> I would use the national express if it got to where I want to go faster
Liar.
Pick any journey, from town to town that you might do, look at the length of it which is on motorways or trunk roads, calculate the time savings from being allowed to do 80 or 90mph instead of 60, bring in a believable factor for whether traffic conditions at the time would allow the coach to be able to travel at 80 or 90mph, and show us how much the bus stop to bus stop time would be shortened.
Then explain how that time difference is all that stops you from taking a coach.
> and it would be great if my deliveries arrived a day earlier.
Just WTƭ do you live that speed limits delay delivery vehicles getting to you by a day?
Bang on the money lads. I’ll be sticking to my old discovery, hardly any tech.
I have a 2010 Jaguar XFS. It does have cruise control and a speed limiter which is manually operated. I find the latter useful on motorways when they're busy and 20mph zones. The issue isn't speed. It's appropriate speed for the road, traffic and weather conditions. For example, I would drive a busy motorway during heavy rain at 50mph. The same motorway on a lit section of carriageway, dry with good visibility could theoretically be driven safely above the speed limit. The same cannot be said about roads in urban areas or country lanes to a certain degree.
In January 2024, I was tbone'd crossing a junction by a vehicle doing 50mph in a 30mph limit. The road I was crossing has about a 30 degree incline to my right with the brow of the hill about 150 yards away. The junction is further obscured by a filling station.
As a result, I pulled 2 vertebrae, bruised/fractured my ribs as well as the associated bruises related to the collision. West Midlands Police sent me a letter stating there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute the driver. This is despite the fact there's two cctv cameras in the area. The police went onto say that there were factors to suggest I was partially at fault for the collision. So now I have to look for speeding drivers when crossing a junction.
I do not think intelligent systems like this will improve the situation. If anything it will add more distractions to the driver and cause collisions. It's bad enough that modern cars are replacing physical switch gear for a touch screen. This means you have to go through menus just to adjust the heater. If you were involved in a collision at that moment, you could be convicted of driving without due care and attention.
Why cars are going down this road baffles me. Especially when you think you can't touch your phone while driving. I can see many motorists finding a way to disable this system, once they've gone through several sub menus. The bad news is I can see someone trying to do that while the vehicle is in motion.
Got this on my car, nothing to worry about. You can turn it off. However, they're great for not getting speeding fines in average speed camera zones. That's a good thing
but it is something you have to turn off every time you start it! What is the point of that! So you cant even just get in your car and drive off, you have to spend five minutes turning all the crap off!!
@@suecharnock9369 it's one button in mine. Hardly the "threat to motoring" it's being spun as. Now the huge rises in car insurance are hitting people much harder than this ever will
@@suecharnock9369no it’s not , I’ve got it in mine, you just turn it off and it stays off.
I have a car with cameras that pic up speed signs the problem is it sometimes picks up the signs in side streets or advisory ones which then of course displays for a long time as 30 limits have no repeater signs
I was in a new modern HGV a few months ago and it would show the speed limit on the dash in a road sign looking graphic. It was telling me the M25 was 80mph, I wasn’t in a 50mph zone and was actively going past the national speed limit signs so couldn’t be misreading a 5 or 3 as an 8.
Speaking of Jaguar iprat, what happened to the driver geoff?
I think they tried to hang him out to dry.
Comments from speed awareness guy shoots it all down in my opinion. @71 I use my bus pass sometimes for local runs, a GPS Speed App on the phone showed 31mph past my local primary school and peaked at 34mph on the 20mph road I live on. 0.9 miles averaged 24mph. Irony was a supervisor with 2 new drivers on a route learning run, they'd swopped over at the terminus as I boarded. At my stop I said 'speedometer not working, 34 more than plenty in a 20 you know'. Didn't look fussed at all. Bless Preston bus No 78 route through Lytham, midi sized single decker 18 on board.. ('68 Speedometer' GPS App use it on my R/C models with a duff phone strapped on them, got a trip save option).🚌🤬🇬🇧
Is this for all new cars being made from July onwards or are all vehicles on the road expected to have these fitted?
Why are we still bing bossy by the European Union after Brexit.
EU rules
STOP BUYING NEW CARS. My car is 18 years old and it's awesome.
Mine is 49 years old.
We are greedy we have two old cars. My nephew is a mechanic and he said hold on to them.
My car has road sign warning for speed, however as a driving instructor I have had to turn it off, this is because it can often read side road (20mph) or even car park sign 5mph when the car is in a 30mph and therefor its misleading. If this controlled the speed of the car like you are saying then that could be VERY dangerous as it could course the car to slam on the breaks
Almost been rear ended a couple of times. One on a 60/70 limit and an adjacent 'service' road with 20 sighs on it and the A55 at Colwyn Bay at 50 see's a slip road 20 sign. I don't use the limiter anymore unless I'm in 50mph motorway zones or average limit zones.
Just bought a new car, has all the Tech (Stuff) as described. Just done a 500 mile round trip over the weekend... I have no issues with the tech. Did not (and did not need to) exceed the 70mph speed limit on the motorway. ok, so it's not 100% perfect... We now have cars with Crumple Zones, ABS, Seat Belts & Airbags which no doubt have saved 1000's of lives, the Speed limiter is just the next chapter.
They can turn off your engine on days that was to much pollution 😮
Motorists = Humans
Carbon = Humans
So my old van will be faster than a new sports car
In Australia the Fords get a faulty accelerator sensor & the car’s accelerate pass 110kph, with or without cruise control.
TFL funded some "safety" enhancements on some buses called mobile eye
The tech was defunct Tesla programming that was obsolete at the time
So when it was raining there camera would say the limit was 120mph
Or if you were sitting behind a van with one of those "this vehicle is limited to xx mph" out would list that as the max 🤣
Another one to chalk up to sad IQ khan
WHO were you talking about 😊
I have a toyota that has the speed indicator that appears, however, with living in rural Devon it's ability to give the correct speed is atrocious and it either shows no max speed for the road or shows an incorrect speed.
Also regarding the lane assist shaking the wheel I found so annoying that I disabled that feature
And once controls are placed on vehicles, you will then see ‘justification rules for journeys’ e.g. advanced apps that you will need to register your journeys on which will either allow you to use your car or will deem that journey as one you can do via public transport instead!
Only ever about control or the perception of control?😊
All trucks are limited and have been for years.
How does this work in practise?
Top speeds yes. Not 20mph.
But that's just a physical limiter. You could drive a truck at 56mph in a 20 zone.
No speed limiter ever devised will stop a 44-ton truck from exceeding 56 mph downhill.
And everyone hates being stuck behind a truck that's trying to pass another one at 56.2 mph.
It's a joke of an idea.
@@escapetheratracenow9883 I know, been doing it for 30 years..some companies set their trucks to 52, others 53,54,55,56, YET its still legal for an HGV to go at 60 on a motorway.
Public transport ha!
Years ago me and my mates wanted to go to the space museum, set off with public transport at 6am….
Go there at 4:30pm and it closes at 5pm… it took us 10 hours to get there when in a car would have taken an 1.5 hours.
Then we had to go back. It took another 5 hours.
We’ve had physical speed restriction measures for ages. Have you not seen all the road works, road closures, and clean air zones that cause traffic jams every where?
When I get out of my depot with a new lorry, a 24 plate Volvo FH460 it reads the depot's speed limit signs and continues at 10mph for almost 20 more miles. There are no other speed limit signs for 20 miles and I have to turn it off to get on M6.
My traffic recognition camera is used to auto set the limiter (if engaged) and there are a few places I've been that are 60/70 roads and the camera picks up a 20 sign on a neighbouring road ... The sudden brake application by the car has already almost got me rear ended a couple of times. The roads, GPS data and speed signage IS NOT currently safe enough for auto speed limiters to be mandatory right now!