Helldivers 2 Was This Update A Mistake?! New Patch Causes Issues?!
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Man, whoever didn't install remote desktop on those TSC terminals is kicking themselves now lol
Lol
Lol
Yeah, this was the critical one IMO.
So, I think we can confirm at the point, that if something stands out, its gonna get nailed fucking hard into the wood. Helldivers 2 do seem to like shooting themselves in the foot. As it was, we have had a noticeable drop in player base, and something tells me this isnt gonna help :3
It was just stuff that stood out, no one was complaining about the sickle or the Quaser charge time. Even the Erupter was fairly balanced with it's slow movement, time between shots, and horrible reload time. The magazine changes are horrible, should have just focused on fixing crashes and bug's with this patch.
Yeah, I gotta agree, I think if they wanted to do anything, they should have buffed rather than nerfed. Perhaps then, we'd have been okay with them buffing patrols :3
I get that they technically buffed multiple things, though the increase, was miniscule from what I read. It's like bumping the numbers in order to say they'd buffed things 😅
“You’re playing our game wrong! You’re not supposed to be having!”
This is actually correct. if you go back to previous comments from devs and the ceo. they wanted a incredibly hard game where doing anything at 7 and above would require quite the amount of teamwork and understanding of game knowledge to complete.
Unfortunly for them they had some guns and equipment that were 'overtuned' and allowed players to join in, and being much more skillful then their own inhosue testing team, knock content out the park.
This is why most weapons are lackluster, why the last warbond basically was a dud. Now with these patch changes they are trying to shift the focus back from playing solo/duo and having fun to full on teamplay requiring you to have four freinds to play.
They never intended this to be a light hearted blow up shooter. They wanted hardcore, diving for democracy and sweating it out gameplay. I beleive they hate the popularity they got because instead of riding the lightning in a bottle they made, they are switching back to the focus of making it as difficult as possible.
When the ceo says 'just buffing' is a bad gameplay choice (IE: Bringing weapons up to par that people are using) and a dev says he was 'mortified' that people were crushing helldive a week into the game launch, that is a very bad sign of where they have the focus for the game design.
they are not purposefully sabatoging themselves i believe, they just for some reason, want vision over popularity. 'Our game will be the way we like it, not the way the playbase does' This is going to lose a very large chunk of the playerbase over the next few months as things that are more forgiving come out and people can no longer load in and just blow up some bugs without it feeling like a gladitor match. Content creators will find it harder to do what they need so people will stop spending the time.
They will not care though, as they were perfectly fine having the same kind of playerbase they had for hd1.
So while you and me may be baffled that they make changes that are hurtful, and will not propagate growth in the player base, they will be quite happy with the results and feel that the drop off will be due to new shiny xyz that came out, and not forced by they're hand.
As a sidenote, the gaming industry is one o those that if you pay attention long enough you can see studio's do the same thing over and over again and track the fall of the game. Anytime a game starts punishing players too much the population migrates away. Most of the changes they have done are of the type that when you look at it on paper, it does not seem overally bad. However in actual gameplay you notice the lack of power, and agency you have now dimishes your want to play. For some reason this game studio does not want to enjoy they're success and wishes to make the same mistakes and tumble down back into obscurity.
If anyone of importance from arrowhead reads this, please note that you are wrong. A game for everyone is a game for no one, is a horrible phrase. You got popular because of the fun things you could, the wacky ways to die, the feeling of power you had and of course your wonderful rewarding for time played feel. Nerfing things to make it diffcult, 'fixing' things to make it more diffcult, is going to kill your game. A game for everyone is a good game. You want people from all gaming genere's to come and play, to add to your success because it is not painful to play. What you are doing, in the long run, will hurt your success.
You should be buffing everything that is not used, and then making tweaks to things you want to see used a little bit less. When you do not give equal power you have no diversity.
@@snyper64 IMO some of the changes were good, "i love the speed loading senator, its my new favorite pistol with that change alone." but this update is a bad sign. This indicates the devs are refusing to interact with the playerbase, and instead focusing purely on analytics.
Consider the one time they interacted us, we got the ability to properly headshot chargers with anti-tank weapons, and flamethrowers started melting them even harder. Both excellent changes, even if flamethrowers are still dangerous as hell to try and use, nothing quite matches the feeling of facing down a charger only to send a bit of liberty right through its skull right before it hits you or a teammate.
If this keeps going, this cycle is just going to repeat over and over until no one is playing anymore.
I think I'm gonna take a break from Helldivers 2 for a while and wait for the next patch to come out
Same, downloading dragon dogma 2
I am so glad they added 3rd person to the HMG
There was basically no reason for it to be absent. Hope they also either fix the sight or change it to a longer range one, maybe even a full scope. Also 25 extra rounds per mag wouldn’t hurt. Hitmarkers were required too and it now has them.
“Dewey, I’m cut in half pretty bad.”
-Sickle
Sickle to the scythe: you'll have to be double great. For the both of us
Speak English Doc! We ain't no scientist?!?
Are you guys actually reloading the Sickle???
Yeah… you’re doing it wrong. The gun might as well be unchanged. Seriously, who’s reloading a laser weapon?
@@mkv2718that’s easy to say when you’re aren’t swarmed. I don’t get how people don’t get that. The burst fire technique works to keep heat down but when you get swarmed you have no choice but to hold down the trigger.
@@MegaMjjordanspecially on helldive
I truly don't understand why they keep nerfing so many weapons. This is a PvE game. if a weapon/weapons is being underutilized, make it better so that more people utilize it. Even the guns that got a buff, needed more. The heavy machine gun needs more. The marksman rifles need more.
small incremental improvements, plus a few targeted (and IMO over-zealous) nerfs.
It's been the way of game-dev for decades.
The one time they did the reverse of this was with the JAR, they boosted it's damage per hit 50% then dropped it 1/12 later on.
glad the railgun got it's heavy-pen back ,i need to see gunship kill-numbers to know if it's truly "fixed".
slugger should have kept the stagger or crate-kill, it's still just a "worse JAR now"
eruptor TBC, i suspect it''ll get 1-3 mags back, maybe even some of it's AoE back (not know the AoE-nerf numbers so i'm, withholding judgement there), crossbow i want 2-3 more in each mag (8*6 or 7*7 at the minimum), puni-plasma probably same as the crossbow TBC (that AND have a "pure energy" version with less fire rate but unlimited/overheat ammo).
Quasar nerf is pretty devastating because of how well it dealt with heavies. And less ammo really hurts dealing with smalls. It's not unrealistic to have 6-8 mags on a soldier in real life.
Quasar still has unlimited ammo, just hit your shots. The only difference is now its not objectively the best option iv every situation ever
it still deals with heavies fine, you just have to wait a whole 5 seconds longer. I'm not a fan of the extra time but it didn't ruin the weapon or really effect it in any major way.
i really don't get the reduction in ammo,. i mean they want us to be concerened with ammo, but why?
I never liked it. Who the hell wants a windup to shoot a devestator running at you? I always preferred the EAT or Recoiless rifle
Reporting to nearest democracy office
I get weapon balances but just halfing nearly all the ammo count when most guns already have ammo issues or on the verge of ammo issues is kind of ridiculous. And did bots really need a buff.. really..
By "most guns" you actually mean 5...2 of witch have unlimited ammo
U can now refill all easy with the supplies, they grow up the amount of ammo that u take from supplies, always crying ma godness
Not to be that guy who says skill issue, but most guns. If you aim properly and hit your shots are good, and have good ammo reliability.
They wanted to make ammo more scarce so you have to stick with your squad and call down ammo more often.
The ones they nerfed the ammo on are understandable.
“I get weapon balances” then proceeds to describe why you don’t get it. It’s completely understandable they removed the ammo count for these guns. Hit your shots, explore the map, don’t get into unnecessary encounters, stick with your squad. There’s plenty of ammo laying around the maps. Never had a problem of running out of ammo.
Btw have you notice all the ammo crates around the map we also have Resupply and when you pick up a Resupply usually your energy/heat weapons are already maxed ammo if you play right and don't over heat your weapon you technically never need to reload with the sickle the damage is the same so nothing is affected in that aspect
My game didn't crash before but now it does..... smh
Not my Quasar Cannon!!! No, sweet Liberty! Noooooo-Haha ⭐️ look familiar?
Quasar guard dog combo getting nerfed hard. It seems the shield backpack is the best option now considering the other guard dog runs out of ammo.
It seems a lot of these nerfs seem follow the no fun allowed approach, it’s a bold strategy we’ll see how it pays off for them.
I think all the changes are REALLY good. All options are now equally viable... instead of before when some options were obviously better!
@@Magnushamannlol worked well for the railgun…
Almost like who ever is in charge has a multi colored hair dew
@@dreamshakejunya Talking about this update only (where the railgun got some love again :) )
@@Magnushamann I get were you are coming from, but it feels like they are making good weapons worse and bad weapons only slightly better( but still bad). Helldive difficulty is already hard enough but now i dont think I will be able to stomach the annoyance of never ending patrols, but now not enough ammo to deal with said patrols.... guess ill have to go back down to suicide qwq.
Speed reloader on the Revolver is the biggest game changer I’ve seen in this game so far, right next to that is the fact that they finally fixed the Counter Sniper handling! Airburst launcher is amazing simply because it actually kills berserkers. That’s all I need lol
Airburst will be nerfed next patch...enjoy it while it lasts😂
The revolver yes!
A bit dissapointed Cloud didn't point that out! haha
Speedloader was requested by community and it was answered! YES!
i need to retry the DMR, hated them previously as they handled worse than the AMR/laser-pointer/MGs so i could use those support weapons as the better primary option and use the AoE/med-pen primaries as support-weapons and still never need touch the DMR. hell, most planets are so smoke/spore/fog/sandstorm laden now that anything with a zoom-sight is functionally useless 95% of the time (this annoys me GREATLY).
Adjudicator buff was also nice surprise given i liked it already (yay for community tantrums on that one).
Hell the AoE primaries are still better than the GL support weapon especially if that ricochet troll-change by the devs works as-worded (player-tracking bullets/bounces), as teh Gl already pinballs back into the users face or off into the ether more than it's 24-30? total shots damage the enemies (high DPS if it can hit, TERRIBLE ammo-economy/damage-per-reload)
@@IRMentat the first DMR you unlock has always been a prime weapon vs boys for me it’s worth a try on its own it had great handling, and now the counter sniper is fantastic with one shotting small guys and one shotting devastators to the head, but it doesn’t feel like it’s too good because you do still have to watch the spray and pray because it’s only got 15 rounds per magazine so I think it’s in a great place. And I’m with you lol I really loved the adjudicator pre patch but that was mostly because I enjoy the sound, look, and idea of the gun more than it being a game changer, I still feel like it could reach a true true niche great role if it had its damage buffed, but rate of fire lowered down to around the 320 that the concussive liberator has, so that it would be like a BAR type rifle that can lay down some sustained fire with a punch, but not be a crazy all around great gun. But as it is, love that thing
@@TelekineticKhai it’s too bad they buffed the regular pistol in the same patch because I wanna use the regular pistol but now the senator is too fantastic to leave behind against bots for sure
So Helldivers has turned from a shooter into a "run away and find ammo as your stratagems cool down so you can kill the armored heavies with an eagle strike, since nothing else affects them" game
Ummm try aiming?
this is how im seeing it to unfortunatly
Laughs in scythe/laser cannon
The nerf screamers are trolls that don't even play the game they spend most there time screaming on social networks for nerfs.
If you can’t kill armoured heavies without a stratgm or are constantly running out of ammo you are bad at the game. The jar dominator and auto cannon combo gives on bits gives you the ability to kill everything on the map.
This patch really was not as advertised. The community managers need to be greenlit to say things that are more accurate to the patch instead of spitballing
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What are you talking about? We told them to focus on Balances and Fixes. That's what they did
More like CZcamsrs shouldn't overhype updates
@@xKontractKi11erno the community manager mentioned that we would get like 20 something buffs and like 2 nerfs and there were way more nerfs than they advertised.
I think community managers should keep tight lipped on specifics going forward and simply say, new update Coming out soon and that’s it.
I think the reception wouldn’t be as bad had they just not mentioned specifics
@@91shawny I think the reception wouldn’t be as bad if people stopped crying about the 1 and only weapon they use every single game getting a 5 second extra cooldown and realise that there’s plenty of other options lol
The 4 player nerf for solo players is just bullshit, getting swarmed now like crazy even on lower difficulty. I guess I am taking a break as I hate playing with randoms. They seriously need to learn that small changes are better than this BS.⭐
Game was never advertised to be a solo run and gun. Just an option yall solo players choose to do. ⭐️🌟💫
According to the devs it was scaling bug. Patrols were supposed to scale linearly with the number of players but they didn't. So instead of getting the 1/4 of the patrols you were supposed to get solo players were getting 1/6. Arguably making it easier than playing with a group. But now that's fixed. So congratulations. You're finally playing the same game as the rest of us.
@@Guntank214Yeah, I don't think that is true. I ran a haz 3 mission solo earlier and honestly ran into more bugs than on haz 6 with a full squad . . . I don't know why they keep making the game so much harder, it used to feel like a challenge but doable, and now everything kills you instantly. Stratagems don't have a high enough damage, spread or speed to be consistently useful, the primaries keep getting nerfed into the ground, and the support weapons still can't keep up. I am tired of sweating this game on low levels, I just want to casually play a horde shooter with my friends, not overdose on Adderall
friends are a thing too
@@Guntank214 so i'll go from 400-450 kills PER MISISON while covering 1/3 the map to 525-600 in an even more frustrating SLOG just because i don't want to MASSIVELY out-accelerate the friends i usually play with?
yeah that 1/3 extra to solo spawns is rediculous, solos already have way less firepoewer than even a duo as you either skip the backpack entirely or miss out on a red/turret call-in.
if anything solo should get as BONUS call-in (IMO an option to use the booster slot for an extra stratagem) as if you run a weapon (MANDATORY) and a backpack (optional but always-on utility) that's only 2 slots for actual cooldown based support when solo (strike/precision/500kg/rocket plus a "flex" slot)
Overall rather "meh"-update. The Eruptor nerfs sting alot for me - was running it as a pseudo-sniper (well not "really" with short projetctle lifespan) with only non-support weapon stratagems; used support weapons of teammates or what I found during missions. The Eruptor really felt like a primary WEAPON this way and any support weapon I found really did give you the "support feel".
Anyway, I get that 12 magazines was quite a lot of ammo in reserve, but a reduction down to 8 reserve magazines would have done it well enough; the additional aoe nerf just seems overkill, especially when you play it like a mid/long range support sniper like I did.
Also as others mentioned - what's the point of buying premium bonds if at best there is only one weapon in them that is not shit, which in turn also gets nerfed later down the line - do they really think we buy them for helmet/cape/character background number 42069?
In general I think I'll take it rather slower for the foreseeable future with this game and take more of a look at in what direction the dev-team takes it.
These past few updates just haven’t been it, I really hope this game doesn’t die out because of the devs not knowing how to make a good horde shooter. I still remember being mad hyped for this game when I heard about it
Not sure why they thought it was a good idea to make the game less fun for people.
oddly not the first time lol
@@CloudPlays Sadly no, it is not.
Don’t play it then? All nerfs are good. The buffs are good too. Don’t know what you’re complaining about here.
If we could take out all the Bugs ......it wouldnt be a memorable game now isnt it? ... and if we all had that one all powerful tool of mass destruction it would be boring now wouldn't it? .. try another load out and discover new combinations that is what the game is all about..... same with life if we had everything on a wish life wouldn't be qorth living
@@simonvanek9156 Learn to read mate, I never complained. I simply asked why they thought it was a good idea to make the game less fun? Never once said shit about buffs or nerfs.
This is the best change
***Added setting in the options menu gameplay section to disable automatic climbing and vaulting while sprinting.***
As a left-handed player who rebinds to the numpad, I must respectfully disagree. 'Keybinds bound to numpad will no longer reset upon restart'. It's irritated me to no end having to re-rebind my keys every time I restart/crash.
That said, the change you mention is also very welcome. Resupply drops ARE NOT jungle gyms! 🌠
FREE AT LAST!!!
Yeah, sadly I'm shelving HD2 until they can get the gun situation sorted out. I love the game, but it's frustrating that my favorite weapons get dismantled every 2 weeks.
At level 70, I want at least some consistency.. I know they're trying to keep the game relevant, but all the people in my circles have quit due to these updates and following crashes.
Good luck out there divers.
Buffs across the board would have changed the meta which seems what they keep wanting to do and it would have ONLY given us MORE options, why they keep making it harder for casuals like me is so frustrating
@Breath310 I know. I don't know anyone that's saying the game is too easy. Helldives are balanced imo even when we had the Rail cannon. It was just fun. Now it's a chore.
Have you tried aiming your weapon? Do you bother crouching before you shoot or do you run and gun? Do you treat every weapon like a shotgun? Did you bother to learn where enemy weak spots are? Do you expect your primary weapon to be able to carry you through every situation? Im not trolling these are legit questions. There is a large part of the community that failed to learn or use basic mechanics. The guns are fine for the most part. Many people simply use them in sub optimal ways. I understand wanting to shelf a game because the devs made the game less fun. However learning the ins and outs of a weapon and becoming proficient with it is a great deal of fun. I once spent over a month using only the counter sniper. This was back before it got any buffs. At first I thought the gun was terrible, but as I stuck with it I found myself getting more and more reliable with it. Now I can top the mission kills chart with it. The rest of the weapons are the same. Know your weapon and know your enemy. Do that and just about anything works.
Im level 79 and doing the same everyone said the game would die because it was repetitive... its actually dying because they keep nerfing anything we actually use while ignoring bugs
@@user-ir4yk3jb5q Or and hear me out, they could just not ruin already fine weapons. Sure not all weapons are going to be made equal but making the ones people are having fun with worse is not a good idea.
2 nerfs they said. 22 buffs. So that was a fucking lie.
i count 10+ nerfs, one fix and a few misc buffs to previously ignorable weapons (plus the railgun "fix" that i need gunship ammo/kill numbers to care about).
buffing MG health would only matter if it wasn't made utterly obsolete by the gatling gun, i'd have that rather been a 30% cooldown reduction.
going from 10% announced to 50% nerfs on release is a MASSIVE failure in communication.
Plus solo players just got hammered with 1/3 MORE patrols (i''m already slogging through and killing 400-450 in CHALLENGING 4/9 difficulty solo, i dread to think how much worse it's going to get). Plus the gunship/walker/hulk buffs (i doubt the hulk damage nerf has done much, maybe will less insta-kills but it will take only 2 dot-ticks to kill us).
the map-gen and ricochet changes i need to see personally, each is either great or utterly soul-destroying (i already don't use the worthless GL support weapon because it bounces back into me in ways the primary-AoEs/grenades/AV-weapons don't
quasar cannon nerf felt kinda unecessary ⭐️
No it wasn't, it was not uncommon to see literally everyone in a mission with one...
@zacfor4454 so if something us popular just make it useless ????
@@zacfor4454 nerfing based on Meta has killed countless games. Nerfs need to be based on what increases gameplay experience. Looking at a cooldown timer is already half of Helldivers problem.
That and lack of ammo.
@@big_petebear8535 Power creep and slowly decreasing difficulty has killed even more games. Quasar had unlimited ammo, passive reload, and no backpack. It was objectively better than everything else and made the game boring. Now you actually have to compare it to the other launchers and make a choice based on the pros and cons. It's no longer the default option. Even now I'd argue the launcher is still slightly op and got off easy.
@@nitronome3839
I think the qauzar is op in hard to level 7.
However level 8 and 9 it's rather lackluster before patch . Now it's just going to be left on the ship.
I don't really have a bone in this fight. I always run other stuff. I just liked that low level players had a pocket rocket to rely on as they increased their unlocks.
You know what the worst part of the new Quasar nerf is? The quasar will show itself as cooled but you still cant use it for 5 sec, thats the nerf, its a lag switch on the cooling. Laziness
Does it actualy? That's probably just an oversight, if ya mention it to the devs it'll probably be fixed next patch
Nope juste verified the animation works for me
@dimitridemont8291 LMAO so the guy is quite literly making shit up to be mad about
@@dimitridemont8291 Still doesnt for me
@@ArcathNah had the same issue myself, noticed it for a few fires but that’s only when I was paying attention/able to other than that I didn’t have it out and when I did it was ready to shoot. Could be random or something that needs looking at but he ain’t lying.
Thankfully they didn't nerf the breaker incendiary
...yeah, it works as intended for 1 out of 4 players per match. THAT'S SOMETHING!!!
Since so many weapons got gutted, it will become more popular and they will nerf it next patch dont worry
Yes. They do seem to nerf the majorities favorite weapons@@SovietUnion_
It will get nerfed next
Thoes bastards touched my dominator
They also shadow removed the ability to lock onto undiscovered secondary objectives like Stalker lairs and SEAF Artillery on the mini map.
they buffed the stalker invisibility... freaking hard to spot them compared to yesterday xD
Thought I noticed that but I wasn't sure
Yes, I noticed that too but didn't see that in the patch notes
@@nunab1864 Terrifying....but that is how it should be haha
Yes sir! Shit has been crazy today ! New mission is dope as hell too!
💫💫⭐⭐🌟🌟🌠🌠✨✨ this patch hurts my soul
Honestly don't see an issue with the energy weapons have spare clips reduce. Its not often you go through more than 3 heat sinks
I agree. I've been a Sickle main for the past few weeks and I never used more than two I.C.E. in a mission and that was due to user error.
Honestly depends on the opponents, bots are not usually an issue. But bug's, especially on the hot planets I'm definitely feeling the changes.
@@snyper64 I agree on the topic of the hot planets. I will purposely not use the Sickle on a hot planet because of it, and I kind of think that is the intention the devs had for them. They have essentially unlimited ammo, but hot planets will make them harder to use. A change of primary is recommended for hot planets. I usually take the Punisher for the stagger to keep bugs at bay, but I'm usually on the Automaton front.
@@snyper64 You just have bad trigger discipline then. That’s a “you” problem
i'd have liked the nerf to be less severe but i think it's a deliberate dev-action to see HOW harsh they can be.
The secondary changes were "small" and measured.
This ammo-economy change feels more like a live-test where things will be brought back up in a week (or 3) after the devs see how much more often resupply is called in, how often people run the ammo dry, how often each weapon is now used, that kind of thing.
The AoE weapon nerfs i'm really curious to test in-game as those guns already somewhat struggle against fat/tanky enemies already needing a reload of prox-hits per-kill (while the game throws 4-12 of them at you at a time).
time will tell
Don’t like that there will be more patrols for less players, more enemies for less players sounds counterintuitive. If it affects solo a lot ill be stuck doing lower difficulty missions unless I have friends on.
Really? Did the bots actually need to be buffed?
of course, those hulks can't BBQ you in 1-hit anymore so they have to run you down more waiting for that second dot-tick to trigger.
Like the spitter "nerf" i expect this won't do much for most people death on-hit or death on 2nd dot-tick is still only the difference of 0 to 0.5 seconds to spam the dive button then you are on the ground and slow next to an enemy that likely brought friends to tackle your prone ass
p.s. NEVER dive away from a spitter it's just feeding them your legs.
Brother man you missed the important keypoint of that update the increase in patrols when the team is made up of less than 4 players aka solo players getting shredded cause there is a crazy amount of patrols
This effects anyone not running a full squad, it's definitely bugged, forgive the pun
They further explained it cause it was worded badly in the patch notes. Partrols should've been 1/4th of what they are on a full squad but instead they were 1/6th when playing solo. So much less than what it was supposed to actually be from the start.
Just get friends lol 😂
Another way to look at it is they just added more difficulty levels, just dial the difficulty down and you can have the same experience you were having before
@@nahfr. easy for you to say!… wanna be friends? 😂
Got terrible fps after this patch , clearing the shader cache in the appdata fixed it for me , dont delete the settings if you dont wanna refiddle them ! =) however , I kinda like the changes
My FPS after patch has been awful. Will try that and see if it works.
Damn, I was afraid of this
OK good. I was pretty sure it wasn't my computer.
How do you clear the shader cache @erikjalefors9377
⭐️ the quasar canon takes so long already. I probably won’t be using it anymore.
You use quasar like EATs, shoot one, drop, get the second one, shot, drop, take the first cooled quasar, repeat.
So many unneeded changes to some weapons.. ⭐
For me its the crossbow nerf. Hardly anyone used it anyway.... now its just useless! Eruptor does its job and more!
Damn nerfing weapons hard-core and barely buffing thr others. The Sickle didn't need an ammo halve, it worked fine, eruptor with only 35 rounds? Nah
lol I just got the sickle yesterday 😢
@@dreamshakejunya Pace your salvos properly and you will never even need to reload the thing, it has decent enough self cooling (unless its one of those high heat planets, then should pack something else anyway).
This is comming from someone who has used the Sickle since day one, the nerf is legit irrelevant.
@@LtCWestyeah, have you played today? Good luck with the amount of enemies they added.
@@JP-pc6to I did a few Helldives, it’s just fine
@@simonvanek9156 Oh because everything you say goes? Lol you still in diapers baby boy. And definitely can’t navigate the internet. So I think pretty much NO one should take your opinion on shit
the changes to Adjudicator made me laugh, they just gave it an extra mag and tossed it into the assault rifle pile lol
hahaha
Whatever they did, the weapon feels so much better now. I did not enjoy it before. Now I REALLY enjoy it.
ran it all night and i really really like it. and to be clear, it was given TWO mags ;)
It feels much better but I still think 25 bullets is too low, maybe 30-35 would make it more viable
The recoil reduction is genuinely pretty good, still doesn't do enough damage, but at least you can kill a hunter or 4 before you have to reload lmao.
what i absolutely dont like about this patch is all the mag reductions for alot of weapons that where fairly balanced and the fact that they made it god damn hard with those increased patrols if you have less than 4 in a squad sometimes i just want to go into a mission solo without needing to worry about others but now i cant even go from one objective to another without running into double or tripple stacked patrols and when i clear them out 2-3 more show up and sometimes its so much i cant even call in the extract after i finished the mission they really need to change this back to how it was before
Genuine question ever run out of ammo on those guns? Do you know that you have resupply every 2 minutes?
@@jiopa Yes, true, but I also have to cover the ENTIRE MAP on my own when I am running solo. Even if I drop the resup, I still have a lot of targets to engage. I could take the supply pack, but using the backpack slot is also important to most builds.
In the end, the self sufficiency is being crushed from the game, and I find that horrendous when the game doesn't have enough to make each player distinct. Armour, guns, supports, stratagems, there is no, "I am playing a scout type, you play heavy, you play striker, you play support," capability to the game. Everything does the same job, so balancing your kit basically just means, "can I get my gear so I can swap between weapons through the horde so I can reload before the next . . .
@@TheStarMachine2000 the game is balanced for teamplay. I dunno what to tell you.
@@jiopa yes multiple times especially now with the patrol changes i even had it that i was completely out of ammo stims and grenades now and before i only had to call in the resupply every so oftend
@@leoidas7801 like i said to the other guy, game is balanced for teamplay.
I basically only play solo… I guess I won’t be playing any time soon 😢
Even with three people the spawn rates are unbearable.
It honestly sucks
Bro outed himself out saying I have no friends lol make some friends fellow helldiver
I'll play with you!😊
@@kosmicrisk5703stfu and go on and get..
Why all the mag decreases?!? Like we already don't run out of ammo fast enough.
One was on a weapon most people say is bad so no one really knows how much this really matters (Crossbow), another on a weapon that has a lot of damage potential and utility so is entirely justified (Eruptor) and the other two weapons that got decreased mag sizes were weapons that can in theory have infinite ammo anyway (Scythe & Sickle)
The only one I could say is bad is the Plasma shotgun but I dont use it enough to say. I did try it in a mission today and it felt fine
@@Harrizonio Plasma shotgun can restore full ammo with a supply box now. I consider it is a rework on ammo eco. For Eruptor I have never encounter a situation which cause backup magazine drop less than 6, thus picking up an ammo box can still refill 3 magazines so I don`t think it`s a great nerf unless the player never knows to search ammo boxes in interests or objective points.
Aww man, I loved the Quasar Canon...what a bummer. ⭐
You and me both!
As a 70% of the time solo (yeah i don't care, just want to have fun), nerfing us, buffing enemies and 💩ing on solos. I'm sitting out till they want solo (customers) back.
I’m feeling that way too. I mostly play solo and it’s a great challenge for me and sometimes impossible. I know I can increase my skill, but I don’t have hours to play everyday. Feeling down right now. I really really loved this game.
almost forcing solos to use the guns with regenerating ammo.
Don't be like that. I'm the same WRT solo play.
Just fail as many missions as you can as fast as you can.
Everyday 🙂
Yall definitely got the shit end of this update
⭐️ the ammo and the patrols are killing me.
I have a feeling because of all the severe ammo decrease, people are going to be hardcore fighting for ammo now and that might be an issue. People already get pissy as it is and start randomly booting when they don't get their way
I've been using the Eruptor and boy, do I feel the mag nerf. I only went for resupplies when it had about two mags left (which took a while) but now I want one before the resupply cooldown is up. Been playing solo thus far so I can only imagine the issue when playing in a group.
⭐️ looks like I’ll be trying out the blitzer again
Thanks for the update! ⭐️✨🌟💫
Still gonna use the Spear, targeting weirdness or not.
🌟What the fuck were they thinking? So many unnecessary nerfs. I hope Spitz gets called out for his lying BS.🌟
Nerfs are not unnecessary if everyone was using the same thing every match, stronger guns have downsides its called game balance
@@zacfor4454 They should be buffing shitty weapons, not nerfing good ones. There was no need to nerf the eruptor. I expected a 2 or 3 second charge on the quasar, but 5 is excessive. There are many ways to balance a game without having to nerf everything. If they want balance, they need to give us weapons that don't suck. Almost all marksman rifles are pointless to use as something else does the job better. And if they want to try to force the game toward more cooperation amongst teams (which I get) they need better incentives. Not all of us have friends that can olay all the time for coordinated groups. I do matchmaking but 90% of the time everyone does whatever they want and doesn't communicate. I get trying to push toward a diverse party of people with some going for heavy killers, others for clearing lights, specialists, etc...but frankly i rarely play above 7 anymore because I'm tired of going into 9s and everyone just doing whatever with no coordination, which means I need weapons I can rely on to get the job done as if no one else is there. So having weapons that are good is fine, the quasar was good, jt wasn't all that OP. The eruptor shouldn't have been touched. The ammo reduction on weapons was also unnecessary, since half the time you get one dickhead who loots 3 of the damn supply packs himself. Also, tou want to talk about balsnce when a good 80% of the community will choose bugs over bots when given the opportunity, but then they go and buff bots while nerfing the guns used against them. They are "balancing" toward the ideal, not the average experience.
@@zacfor4454 Its PVE, the lazy devs should figure out why the other weapons are crap and not used and fix them to make them viable instead of just nerfing the few things that worked, and were not necessarily overpowered. If it is not OP there is not reason to mess with it. "If it aint broke, don't fix it."
The Devs have all been replaced by life model decoy Automatons. There's no other explanation.
Did you see the heavy armor ricochet note? Feel like that needs more attention
I dont understand solo nerf ⭐⭐
game is not meant/design for solo play.. granted players can do whatever they want . BUT game was made to be played with 4 players. i hope you understand the solo player nerfing now.
@@novaDF6871 It still hurts the players that WANT to play solo, in a game where you can, supposedly “do whatever you want” like you said. Some people get bad social anxiety, some prefer to play with people they know in real life and play solo when they aren’t available. There are plenty of reasons one might want to play solo.
One thing I’ll say though, Helldivers 2 *STILL* offers a better solo-play experience than Destiny/D2 did, and I LOVED Destiny.
@@michaelhenderson6786 i know man it is what it is at this point. Bad enough they nerfing stuff they shouldnt.
It wasn’t really a nerf it was more a fix the spawn rate was 1/6 that of a full squad when it should’ve been 1/4
@@rektnightmare If it "shouldv'e been" but it never was since the game released then it's a nerf. I play(ed) mostly solo. Now? I don't even know.
Kind of makes me not want to play anymore honestly
Don’t?
The TCS major order was my first one and even tho it was only like 2 months ago or something it feels nostalgic to come back and see what happened. Very cool major order, I like the unique ones like this
If you use the plasma shotgun with the shield pack. it bounces of the shield and hits you
Way too many nerfs ⭐️💫🌟✨
What was up with that bug hole refusing to get destroyed? Wow.
I am one bothered by the Eruptor nerf. I only went for resupplies when it dropped to two mags left (which took a while) but now I notice I want to call one in before the cooldown is up. Ouch, that's rough.
Just look for ammo boxes, they can still refill 3 magazines and they can be found in interests, objective points or even hives/outposts.
@@projectunknown5159 bugs rarely spawn ammo on-map and the bots rarely need you to use that much ammo.
It's a tad dumb in that regard.
I'm forever in need of grenades and stims but half my ammo generally goes unused because even if i'm going all-out it's those other 2 resources that determine if i will live or die not the spare ammo in my primary, not because i don't want to use it but because iof i'm, spending that much ammo at-range in the fog/dust/spores/storms then i will have nothing left when the devastators/spitters/hunters/walkers/trash decide to get up close and personal to headshot and nibble me to death while interrupting said-stims
I guess the devs wanted to make ti so that not only are we forever out of grenades/stims but also scrambling for every crumb of ammo on-map lest we be forced to resort to the shovel/bayonet/crowbar that doesn't exist in the sequel.
Game started as a good time, the more that changes the more that EVERY MAP becomes an endless slog through hell.
Even space-veitnam pre-railgun "minor patch" was chill compared to the current state of play.
Thanks for the update ⭐️
Figured the Quasar would get a cooldown nerf, was too good on the ammo front, twice as good as most other AT options till recently.
Old QC: 3s TTK Charger, 16s TTK Bile Titan, 4.61 shots/min
New QC 3s TTK Charger, 21 TTK Bile Titan, 3.33 shots/min
EAT: .5s (animation) TTK Charger, 1s TTK Bile Titan, 1.9 shots/min
RR: .1 TTK Charger, 6.2-1.6s (team load) TTK Bile Titan, .83-1.95-3.08 shots/min (0 - 2.7 half - 2.7 full resupplies /7.2min)
RIP TO THE QUSAR CANNON 🪦
If anything, they should have taken a couple seconds OFF the recharge time.
It still does a crap ton of DMG, and has infinite ammo..oh also doesn't take up a back pack slot it's still fine calm down lol.
its only a few more seconds, not like you were rapid firing it anyways.
@EMO1tachi I know right? Honestly it's still top tier just because of those reasons. Realistically they could nerf it more and it would still be extremely good. People are just whining to whine
Don't be so hysterical, it's still good.
Anyone else notice that the plasma punisher now detonates on your own shield when wearing the shield pack?
Yupp, took me 3 deaths to figure out what was happening. Made the weapon unusable for me.
I know it isnt the best but if you go into first person the plas no longer explodes on your shield backpack. Hope it helps even if a bit inconvenient
clearly a bug. but an amusing one if it's fixed quickly
The speed loader for the senator is awesome!!
Victory pose change for non-extracted players does not work, still get your pose if you don't extract. Superior Packing Meth still does not work properly, specifically MGs.
I might be in the minority when I thought they were gonna increase crossbow blast radius, its already miniscule as is
I find this to be mostly nerfs…👎🚫🚫
yeah its definitley not amazing
@@CloudPlays Didn’t they claim yesterday it would be mostly buffs?
Loving the new mission ✨⭐️🌟💫
This community, not Clouds but HD in general, we literally told them to focus on fixes and that's clearly what they did in this patch. Don't be disappointed when there isn't a lot of content.. it gives mixed signals to the Devs.
The energy cooldown weapons getting their mags reduced makes sense. Otherwise it felt like you had infinite ammo
I expected it too but I think having noob friendly options was good opportunity choice.
Make Railgun Great Again
I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY ABOUT THE BLITZER!
so am i tbh
does it take advantage of the new ship module that increases its damage?
@@ArkhonXIX it does not. but its still amazing
But all they've done is forced us to the next thing instead of making options, it'll get nerfed just like the every other weapon that are minimum viable meta choices.
Quasar cannon still has the benefit of never needing to use up supply packs, it’s still got its place
Let’s goo ⭐️
These patches just suck every single time
Boo hoo
Easily the worst patch too date, let’s nerf everything , buff very little, and make sure the game still performs like shit with the fps and crashes
Agreed, and the fps drops are getting worse too each patch
Plasma Shotgun with Shield back pack is broken too, if you fire it with the shield active it detonates inside the shield instantly.
Love you man⭐️
After every patch, they lose about 50k players. Let this be a point that nerfing guns because their popular makes people not want to play anymore. You dont nerf what's popular, you help what's unpopular.
Thank goodness the "small team" doesnt have time to fix bugs but can nerf any good weapons
the mushroom spores use to take 3 shots from the grenade launcher. now i unloaded all 30 and did not take it out. the Eruptor still lunches me under the map and kills me. sill getting disconnected a lot. my friends are not happy. we are just going back to civilian life. we will return when they do bug fixes instead of nerfs.
heres to hoping 🌟
Didn't they say this was weapon buff not nerfs in the last video.... From people that work there! Do they know the definition of a buff..
with the higher fire rate on blitzer playing it with fire grenades has been fun. bug hole breach set on fire and stun lock most of the things that come out.
All I have to say, my breaker incendiary for bugs and my scorcher for bots have decent competition now. I am rocking the Blitzer against the bugs especially the break incendiary has its max mag capacity reduced as well and either the Adjudicator or the Diligence Counter Sniper for the bots.
As for the Quasar, yeah depending on my teams loadout, I can definitely swap to the EAT as a better alternative now.
Not to mention calling down EATs is in itself a weapon. I'm just glad they're making sure teams are 3/4 autocannons all the time, and every time something looks like a promising rival, they nerf it to hell.
Damn guard dog.. look how they massacred my boy
thats what i was thinking lol
What are they doing!? They had lightning in a bottle with this game. Every patch pushes more people away.
They should buff the other stratagems + guns instead of nerfing the good ones. The only reason people were using those all the time is because the other options are either very inconsistent or too weak in comparison
Going strong ⭐
I want to shoot things, not spend my time running around looking for ammo before the enemy kills me.
Why is the Quasar nerf "unnecessary?" Not only did they not touch it's damage and utility despite being the most commonly taken support weapon by vast margins, but if less people use it simply cause one of it's already existing weaknesses was increased then that would be a good thing in terms of overall support weapon balance.
I really feel like so many people are overreacting to all this.....
Oh, for sure people are blowing it out of proportion.
I see this as a trade off. You can either go the route of AC, RR, or EAT but you suffer from stationary reloads. Or keep playing the QC and have a bit longer wait time but still move, shoot and use stratagems while waiting.
People will just bitch about anything these days and as soon and the word "nerf" is seen everyone freaks out like it's the apocalypse 🙄
I also think people kinda miss the point of these changes. The devs dont really want people just picking one weapon. They seem to want you to mix up your options. Personally I tend to mix up my load out from mission to mission.
I get that the eruptor had a lot of magazines but going from 12 - 6 seems excessive, 8 wouldve nice.
The quasar cannon joins the stars in the sky. ⭐️
BROOOOOOO!!!! WTF ARE THEY HALFING ALL THE AMMO FOR??????? “BuT wE bUffEd ThE aDjUDiCaToR…” STFU IT’S SHIT EITHER WAY
this choice really makes no sense
@@CloudPlays thanks for the reply🤙🏼 but seriously what’s the point of nerfing anything in a PvE game? Give us the stuff as it is. And in time if it’s OP like the railgun was in the beginning maybe a minor retune but this patch is just making me angry…
Supply pack about to make a comeback, I remember this thing helldivers used to do...what was it called?...hmm. oh yeah teamwork.
Im disappointed they didn't nerf heavy and rocket devastators and didn't buff sickle, scorcher, shield generator, laser cannon and nerf numbers on enemies 😞
Stop trolling 🤨
The dominator was nerf because the Devs said quote "why the fuck not lmao lol"
Lv-110 helldiver, and this update is bullshit. if they are just going to keep nerfing the best weapons in a warbond, why buy them? why make solo or duo diving harder? why nerf so many weapons AND buff so many enemies all at once and then blame the players for getting use to the level of difficulty that the game has been at for 3 months? The devs are constantly attacking the players with "get gud" because we arent playing the way they want us to play. its so frustrating having so many weapons get nerfed (especially weapons that I use as my loadout) all get nerfed and then get chastised by the devs "just use stratagems", MOTHERFUCKER I WOULD LIKE TO BUT WHEN I GET LIMITED TO 3 STRATAGEMS OR HAVE 50% INCREASED CD, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SHIT I DO HAVE WHILE I WAIT FOR SHIT TO COME OFF COOLDOWN.
Its just so goddamn tedious and annoying getting punished for playing the game in a way I want to, especially when my friends cant always play or play together, and now I have to get further punished because I can play objectives as a solo commando only to get kicked playing with random's because I can out play them and out objective them all while they die left and right because they want to pick a fight with every patrol on the map.⭐
Level 96 here. Preach!
Game has difficulty levels for a reason, if you can't handle it, lower the difficulty
Truth
@@zacfor4454 I play on T9 regularly just fine, and drop to T-7 to relax. This isnt a "skill issue", this is devs arbitrarily nerfing the players because we are playing the game in a way they didnt like.
Just like they fucking nerfed the railgun because players were using the railgun to 2-shot charger legs (which they didnt like and explicitly stated that in discord). when the reason why railgun was so dominant was because of the PS5 bug and because no other weapon could kill chargers or titans. They eventually buffed rockets to kill chargers and titans, and then continued to nerf railguns because PS5 players were still 2-shotting titans. and this patch they FINALLY fixed that bug, and only now slightly buffed the railgun after nerfing it for the wrong reasons.
I dont know whats wrong with the devs, this has to be the worst update I have ever seen in any game.
Womp womp 😂
Back 4 blood would like to know your location
Tell us this your first game without telling us 😂
Ain't no way man lol
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHourso many of the changes are great, that person's take shows they either have no gaming experience or they think the negativity is the popular opinion and they just want upvotes
weird thing about the patch notes is the clarity.
In the HD2 discord patch notes its clear that laser dog was nerfed, but the bullet dog was buffed.
I always liked the bullet dog, and with the supply buff + damage buff it got its in a really good state now.
Laser dog is pure trash now.
i frequently was swapping between EAT and quasar cannon. now the quasar cannon shall be mothballed, never to see another mission.⭐ the more you know.....
Plas Shotgun now is pure beast. Both against bugs and bots. Been playing it before and now its so easier to land those shots.
Just feels bad man. Quasar cannon was my favorite thing in the whole game since it came out. Think I’m gonna take a lil break since 8 out of 10 of my friends don’t play anymore anyways. Def don’t wanna role solo anymore. they gotta fix the broken stuff before you nerf what people find fun. Those were the things having us look past big issues like misaligned sights on sniper rifles, no fire or gas dmg unless you the host and a plethora of other un-fun bugs, crashes and players to deal with