$300 BARN FIND !! Polaris Snowmobile Needs MAJOR Work!
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- čas přidán 25. 02. 2023
- What do you think is wrong with it? In today's episode I go off the road in my piece of crap truck with loaded snowmobile trailer attached, after finding the 1995 Polaris Indy Trail 500 snowmobile in a barn near my home. I take it for a ride and realize something is not right. I load it back up on the trailer and head over to Valhalla Mike's sled repair/carburetor tune up shop and we have a grand old time letting carb clean fumes enter our nostrils as we try to diagnose the machine. We get all the parts back together on the snowmobile and are out for another sled ride when we realize nothing has changed and the sled most likely needs seals/ gaskets/some amount of motor work. Pretty cool barn find for $300 though. We will get it running right!
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What do you think is wrong with this sled!!??
Crank seals, definitely needs that airbox.
Possibly a head gasket, 20-30 min job on those free-airs
those sleds are always boggy
@@Unthawed_Pie mines not
Clean carbs and new fuel, mine sat 6 years before this season and runs like new. Wait, no air box? That’s what’s up. It’s not jetted for it at all. Needs a that and a cleaning
"Everyone has a reason to hate everybody, so you might as well do what you want to do". Truer words have never been spoken.
It is a clutch bog. Check rollers in the primary as well as the spring. Put new belt on and make sure deflection is set at about 1 1/4" or a hair tighter. Those piston port motors will run like that if clutching is off.
I agree, Might even be as simple as improper belt sizing.
THIS GUY IS RIGHT
Yup,hit the nail on the head ☝️
just had the same problem with my tnt over the weekend. she would go but only felt like 60-70 percent power. checked the primary. no spring. it was stuck open.
she made it back to camp though.
anyone out there have a good used qrs primary for a 2010 mxz?
100% this
Mike cleaning carbs is one of the main reasons I watch
Fixed my dad's 94 yamaha venture tf with a 151" track! Sat with the carburetors off for 12 years and it runs fantastic. Literally from watching these videos helped me get it done, keep the videos coming
This is what it's all about! Awesome to hear this! Great sled!
I had one just like that those reverse chain cases are gold worth like 300 bucks to the guy wanting it
Right!? That's what I paid for the sled. Lol Worst case scenario, I part the ol' girl out.
@@JeremyRhydes I had one same exact sled I recovered the seat and ran her for years it had 15000 miles on it. It did not have reverse but such a great sled
I paid $250 for a parts sled that had a reverse chain case, and the kid threw in a 488 motor he had in has shed..he said he wasn't sure if it ran..best running motor I have out of my 4 indys
Yeah three different guys tried fixing my reverse and still doesnt work. Same sled mines cleaner 4000 miles
Looks like the secondary clutch needs to be adjusted. belt deflection doesn’t look right
One of the best fan motors good trail sled, thats not alot of miles.
Man you got to. Adjust that belt deflection and check rollers in primary and see if the secondary is fully releasing
Part of the issue is it's running lean without the airbox. I'd either get an airbox or bump up the jets a bit.
That air box delete mod is robbing your low end power which is a very small amount on the 500s anyways. Seems like it's running to lean from too much airflow. Also check that the primary clutch spring isn't broke. Those 500s gotta rev up pretty high in rpms before engagement or else they will bog like that.
new secondary spring and a new belt. Make sure clutches are aligned and belt deflection is within spec. I overlooked my clutches when I had a low end bog issue and that was my issue. Thing rips like its brand new!
Check the pickup line in the tank change the fuel filters should only be one fuel filter on it. Make sure the arrow is pointing in the direction of your carbs. Clean the air jet and set it to spec. And put the original airbox on it. Make sure there's no cracks in your pulse line.. new spark plugs to
I finally got a good deal on a sled last year. 97 trail with extra 10 and studs! It had a melted piston when I got it but I paid $200! Another 200 in parts I guess to do the top end and fuel lines but it's a nice and comfortable ride! The tank was full of five year old gas that smelled like varnish. I kept clogging fuel filters and getting air in the lines so this summer I took the tank off and washed it out and put a new seat cover on and a new fuel pump. Cant wait to ride! STUDS make such a big improvement!! The reason mine was blown up from previous owner was because a mouse made a giant nest inside the fan shroud and it wasn't getting the airflow needed to cool it.
I think it's a clutch issue. Just had this with my son's 96 touring e 380. Secondary clutch stuck open.
Just the fact that you and Mike had fun riding it was worth the money.. that’s a bad ass project Mike has going on in his garage!! Let’s get a vid on that…
Clutch work and a new proper belt!
I used to sled back in the late 60's. Now it's a KLR 250. You go through a lot of sleds. Find me a good cheap street bike. I live just down the road from you. Love these video's
I would definitely try and find an airbox, they run better with it. I have a an 87 Traill 488 and I bumped primary engagement up to 4400. It really woke it up out of the hole.
Came to say the same thing the issue might be from the filters an old snowmobile mechanic told me they’re meant to have an air box if they wanted to use filters they would put them on from factory
@@Speedfreak542those "lake filters" are the most cursed garbage anyone can do to a sled. Nothing but problems. Even if you actually tune the sled for them they end up wet and restricted. No matter what you do they will figure out how to create a problem. And why put them on in the first place? Not like it's going to make more power. At least on a factory sled. They spent ages figuring out how to get the most out of these motors at the factory. Those air boxes are tuned pretty perfectly to the stock motor.
Youre 100% correct with the bowl vents being to atmosphere it they will have no vaccum and run like garbage
Keep up the good work I love watching your videos I love watching what you do keep up the older sleds Mike he deserves to have a newer sled you should give him the other one
I have the 96 version of this sled. Similar mileage and the engine hasn't been touched. Still runs like a top. It was going to passed onto my son, but the 96 MXZ I was fixing for myself burnt, so I'm keeping it. LOL
Had the same problem with the same exact sled this year!!! Did everything, tested everything electrical, all the seals, was the line in the tank collapsing when fuel pump would suck. Found out when it was bogging super bad and dying. Ripped the in-line fuel filter of and blew on the fuel lines and would run fine u til the bowls would drain. It was werid also check if ur fuel link inside the tank fell off
Full Airbox and secondary clutch needs checked out 🤙🤘
I whould love to go. Trail rideing. With. You at some point. I'm a big fan. Man. I watch all off your video I hope. To hear. Back from u.
@daniellevesque7174 hey pal I'm flattered but I don't think I have any fans let alone big fans
My 99 Indy had a low end bog and light idle issue. A simple clutch adjustment did the trick
Clutches I’d bet. Also, pods require richer jetting, but I’d look at clutches for that big. Cool sled!
Love the videos, check the primary/secondary clutches along with belt. Seems the hotter they get worse the issue.
I definitely would keep it because I had a 99 trail and it was so much fun
It was such a great little sled
Man, I strongly suggest you make sure the secondary clutch is disengaging fully. I know you guys are definitely handy in the shop but I don't remember any vids where you guys ever really got into refreshing clutches.
They never do they think every problem is related to carburetors when 90% of the problems are not carburetor related
Wow, dick, lol!
@@tinman4786 who?
@midnightpolaris. I see you didn’t care to watch any videos other than this one
Just picked up two 1996 liquid cooled Indy 500’s for $1200 bucks in NE Ohio. Both run and drive with about 5k miles on each. Got the entire off season to go through them and “make em right”. Love the mid 90’s Polaris sleds.
Those indy trails are known to go 15k to 20k without a rebuild regularly and plastic skis were an option on that year. Ive had one
I'm sure someone has commented but it definitely sounds like a clutch issue. My 97 500 liquid had a low end bog. Adjusted the secondary and that helped.
nice indy 488 those up this way still running like a champ
Good Video. We need more so we can Ride More!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
mike is one of the best parts of the channel
Have the 1999 Indy 500 classic in red, still runs great.
I’m having the same issue but it’s worse to the point it will quite. I have to get a stator put in so try and check that aswell
Love your videos. Mike Love your jeeps.
My dad has the same sled and it does the same thing ever since he got it, and he got it brand new
Indy trails are like the most underrated sleds.
Try and take those pod filters off and put a stock air box on it, I had pod filters on my mxz 500 and it it was super boggy, but when i put the air box back on it ran fine,
My god, some of these comments are soo condescending. You guys know he is a mechanic... he doesn't need a lesson on how to rebuild a motor. Just a direction to look! 🤞🤞 it's something easy like the clutch.
488 fans are damn near bulletproof. I bet you it’s in your clutching. Easy to check and easy to fix. Good also, check your air screw on your carburetters too. Sometimes people mess around with things when they shouldn’t. Definitely an easy fix.
We've been riding dirtbikes in Massachusetts 2 weeks ago it was 67, yesterday it flurried for a few hours today's 40
I just bought a 99 Indy trail in similar condition for $500. Had 1100 mi At beginning of this season, just hit 2200! Love it! I also just got a Snowbike and posted a video of my first
Ride on it. Have you ever rode one?
Compression test, crank seal test, put an air box back on it, jet it for your elevation clean out the exhaust, inspect and clean up your clutches
That is a good song that is playing right now
Could be a bad crank seal you can test the PTO side by spraying carb or brake clean behind the primary clutch while it’s running and if you hear a change in idle then the seal is gone. The PTO side is the most common side to go bad but the mag side can go bad I’m just not sure how to test it
There is a safety switch in the throttle that can cause a bog on those machines.
love video!If you take filter pods off it will run,to restricted.
Check secondary clutch and belt deflation. Also think the coil is going bad. They will run good till the coil gets warm then acts like it's fouling a plug. Timing is off when it does that. Check crank seals!
I agree with this from past experiences!
You should look for a liquid cooled Indy 500 they screen compared to the fan 488s
In Michigan, people would be asking 1500 for that sled. Most of the prices are finally starting to go down! You should find yourself an f7!
Fuel filter? Crank seal leaking? Sounds starved for gas. How is the compression? I have a ditch pickle that would start and idle just fine, and bog down as soon as you hit the throttle. It was the filter. Another time, it was sediment stuck in the reeds of the fuel pump. Only mentioning these because they weren’t in the video. Is the pulse working for the pump? Lastly, how about the intake reeds? If they are worn or leaking, you have another world of problems.
I love the simplicity of your channel/content. Just a working man doing working man things to pass the time.
That sounds like clutching
Air box is very important
New belt seems to help these piston port motors
It’s actually awesome you just got one of those. My gramps bought one last season same sled, we cleaned up the carbs, cleaned out tank, new fuel lines, compression is fine carbs are tuned perfectly, but when he takes it out on the trail it goes like a mile hits the same hill and it will just die and won’t start unless it cools down for an hr? Any clue what’s wrong?
I had a 1995 as my first sled 2 years ago got it for 850 clean as can be, a older lady owned it 5200 miles
Crank seals and head gaskets on those old 488 fanners
I agree!
It does sound like an irregular air/fuel mix, or maybe old gas with some water in it. The aftermarket air filters could also be adding to the problem too, if the carbs weren't jetted for the increase in airflow.
this summer i plan on getting a beater snow mobile off marketplace once the right unit comes up for sale. looking for something sub 2k to learn to ride and work on
I had a 94 Indy Trail. Thing was indestructible. Great machines.
I still have my 1994 Indy Trail Deluxe, which i purchased new ... 12000 plus miles on it now ... engine never touched.
@@baybuoy3843 I believe it. That's impressive mileage for a snowmobile. Those Fuji 488 fan cooled motors are bulletproof. Sometimes makes me question why I mess around with the high horsepower liquid cooled sleds. They're so much less reliable. I had just as much fun on my indy Trail.
My 440 Polaris had similar issues and it wound up being a corroded spring on the oil pump so it was not returning and loading the engine up
Put stock air box back on or have to rejet for pods Also check belt deflection
How about a vid on the jacked up wagoneer,, looks sick
I had a 1995 trail deluxe 500 same low end bog never worried about it the sled hau.ed lite a frate train
Give her the compression test when it's cold and then again when it's hot might just be a bad primary clutch as you know hold it up off the ground stab the throttle and see if it still bugs might be worth rebuilding if that's the case I think it would be cool if you could find an old Polaris triple storm 800 for Indy 650 I had both I did some performance work to both of them and they were great sleds but those Indy 500 are good to I've had quite a few of them you know how it goes to start with the small things before you throw a lot of money at something just to find out it's a basket case thank you for all your great videos and hard work
Good Video guys ✌️👍🙂
Not bad for a barn find most people would hate the shape it is in for a 500
Could be that air filter setup allowing more air in than the stock box
Belt deflection is definitely off to maybe throw another belt or check shims
I bought a 1999 Indy trail that needed a hood and some front end work.. paid $150
Got some parts to fix it up... and she is a trail riding machine
Fun reverse 😉✌🏻
Im in mn and my 96 indy trail 488 its got 3500 miles will go for about 14 to 26 hundred
Adjust the belt deflection belt is sitting to far into the secondary clean the clutchs... but I will garentee remove those air filters and it will wake up those filters are choking it out
Great video 😎👍. Needs a airbox bad!!
I'm going to say clutching is your problem. your secondary clutch Jeremy I caught a quick Glimpse the belt is down in too far so you're starting off in a higher gear. but definitely look at your primary clutch. your weights and them little wheels that the weights roll-on could be bad
Would like to get a box jeep. I have a grand cherokee right now but Love my Box jeeps.
My landlord had an old Indy 500 that was given to him by his neighbor. The sled sat for around 13 years after that, untouched. He and I decided to wrench on it last year and got the sled running perfectly within 30 minutes. My hypothesis is that the sleds with the enclosed air-box setup last longer because the rodents can't get in and destroy the carbs/cylinders.
Nice shop Mike
That wagoneer looking good
Honestly first adjust your secondary clutch as the belt looks low in it. Also could be the seals as well mentioned also below.
the person before put them air pod filters on, really wonder if they went bigger on the main jet to make up for that, or yea the clutch
guys becoming a snowmobile channel now haha
Stock air box might do it. Might be running lean
Its secondary like taken off in second gear idle is 1700 1800
The deflection on that secondary is way off. Should be a the thickness of a nickel over the clutch. Also eould recomend doimg a compression test on it. Good deal though
Get that skidoo rippin
@_tap-profile. I tried to reach out, thanks and let me know if any issues, we got some more snow for some videos
That's what it's all about boys
i love your videos'
Check your air screws and clip placement on the needle. I'd say it jets need to be changed.
Can you do a video on tuning Carburetters
Probably get 1500 here in Michigan when snows on the ground
Polaris is a good sled
Your a good CZcamsr
I'm thinking your secondary clutch is binding
Watched vid again bogs while moving so its clutch or aligment, but if ever bogs before clutch engagment watch for improper air/fuel mixture leaking in from crank seal by spraying flamable fluid on seal and if sled changes rpm its a bad seal which causes bog I got same sled except 488 liquid For 13.64 i orderd othmro oil seal 30mmx60mmx7mm "aka" ski-doo seals off amazon For 1 polaris dosent make the seal anymore and these othmro seals you dont have to split the crank cases
I Still have a Ride More shirt !!
That is awesome to hear! Thank you! When did you buy it and how is it holding up!??
@Jeremy Rhydes I'd bet about 2010-2011 Still a perfect shirt. I think the same year you guys road KLRs across the trans-am trail
I don't
Fuji 488 is one of the best motors polaris ever had, it could deffinitly go that milage on the original top end, some people have 20k + on factory motors, I swapped one In a 94 super sport extended to a 136.. great little motors
Take off the filters and sync the slides,just adjusting the idle screws throws em out of whack
Check the crank seals
My papas found an skidoo mxz under 500 $ needed an motor he had it give me the old motor got to fix the crankshaft in it lol
Keep it !!
It’s better driving a slow rig fast….
Than a fast rig slow !!
I've have a1993 Indy 500 trail no reverse an she rips
bought my son a indy 500 fun little sled! what ever happened to your F150?