What If Joey Beat Marik & Took His Egyptian God?
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Joey's English V.A saying RA chant on Cameo: czcams.com/video/nHRuQhHpLzg/video.htmlsi=NrUi3G1OdVjMXc4c
This was beautiful 🥲
We were robbed!
Absolute fucking GOAT
lol
@@TGSAnime 0:16 and duke
The idea of Kaiba being nice (in as Kaiba a way as possible) being the final push to keep Joey going is just hilarious
He would insult him and complement him, If your going to sit back and let MY get sucked into the shadow realm your a failure as a friend and a dullest.
Naw you aint
In think kaiba would shit himself realizing he would have been in third place in his own tournament and joey being second place
I could see him say: "Jounouchi. You got this far, don't you dare disappoint me."
I hated how Kaiba kept doubling down on being a douche even at the very end. In Duelist Kingdom he admitted that the Heart of The Cards was real and that it worked, although he then said he still had to do things the way he knew best, but it was a real piece of character development that they just threw away.
Kaiba saying something like "A card like this belongs to a True Duelist" while taking Ra from Marik and giving it to Joey's unconscious body goes so hard.
Painful to hear and read LOL
Excuse me while I dry this puddle of tears up. 😭😭😭
Burn to Marik: he lost
Compliment to Joey: he proved himself
Future promise: Kaiba will win it off of him later
More like Kaiba would still be an asshole about it. Kinda like.
Kaiba: I can't believe that dweeb was able to defeat an Egyptian God! Looks like he does have what it takes after all. You can have Ra... For now. But you better get back up Wheeler, so that I can take Ra from you in a duel.
@@MasterJunior93I feel like Kaiba would be insult Joey but still show some form of respect even if Wheeler doesn't notice it.
The idea of Kaiba making Ra Yellow the lowest dorm because of Joey is so perfectly in character and I absolutely love it!
Slyfer red was the lowest dorm.
@@badassnelson I... Know? At the end of the video he says that, if Joey had won Ra, Kaiba would have swapped the order around.
What would be the Ra equivalent to a Slifer Slacker tho?
@@MirageCross Ra reject?
@@MercuryA2000sounds good to me
The moment I heard "Joey sacrifices Jinzo, Insect Queen, and Fisherman to summon Ra" I got literal chills. Something needs to hire Joey's VA to say the lines to summon Ra
AI voice might be able to do it
@@artswar404 Ew
Actually the voice actor for Joey Wheeler did The Winged Dragon Of Ra chant on cameo. Don’t know how long ago he did it though.
czcams.com/video/nHRuQhHpLzg/video.htmlsi=VajWwgOZ-ydP4meh
Should we wouldn't even be able to control wrong he's not a duelist of ancient past Ra wood strike his ass down. Even if we knew the chance he can't control arm because he's not a part of the past
"But Joey, Red-Eyes isn't your most valuable card anymore." -Yami, smiling as he pushes Red-Eyes back into Joeys hand, while taking Ra from him.
At this point Yugi already had Joey's Red eyes.
@@BlackDragonMaxdid ya not watch the video
@@BlackDragonMaxCould make the argument that he technically owns it after taking control of it meaning the rules would apply to it if he didn't have Ra.
@@BlackDragonMax Hi! The implication of this comment was that, due to Battle City rules, since Joey ultimately loses against Yugi he would still have to hand over the rarest card he owned. With Red-Eyes having returned to Joey's grave it is technically back in his posession, but Yugi would subvert Joey's attempt at returning it to him by playing dumb and claiming Ra as his prize.
@@iamthebutthead i feel like this was a ai response lol
Kaiba: *Puts Ra on Comatose Joey*
Kaiba: "This is yours now, but thanks for making it easier for me to get it"
However, then the Winged Dragon of Ra would reject Kaiba, sensing his arrogance, and ultimately solidify itself as a part of Joey, and bestowing him the knowledge of Egyptian scriptures. (Theory)
@@TotalEvo7how would that work o.o?
would basically give him Ra telling him good job on winning but also thank him for making it easier to get @Funloverparty
@@broncofan99 well there is a past-egyptian form of Joey, so if Joey got the same item his past-self had....then maybe?
@@alakazamlover4908no there isn’t
I can only imagine the absolute brick that Kaiba would have shat. He was already *incredibly* salty about not making it to the finals of Battle City when he lost to Yugi. Just imagining how livid he'd be for Joey, someone he's constantly looked down on, to be in the finals is hilarious. He'd probably blow up the tower mid-duel just out of spite.
Maybe he would also roller about how it's not fair.
Kaiba would cancel the tournament and demand Joey duel him to prove he should be in the finals not J lol
The idea of Kaiba having a Vegeta moment where he goes “I am no duelist, and I will never duel again” is hilarious to me
You're no longer dealing with the average duelist
**During the lost dragon arc**
Please leave me be.
I personally would like to see Joey succeed in defeating Yugi, have Yugi hold up the God Cards for him to pick, only for Joey to smile and take Red Eyes, saying it's more valuable to HIM. They then get informed that the Pharaoh needs all three Gods for the ritual and Joey hands it over saying he already has a dragon that's right for him.
I love this idea
I love this idea
@@RejectedHeroesMediaBrilliant minds think alike
I love this
@@DarthInsomnis Lol. Seems we all did.
Just gonna say it, if I ever meet Joey's English VA I'm gonna ask him to recite The Winged Dragon's entire Chant in Joey's voice, accent and all.
UPDATE: Got him to do it. czcams.com/video/nHRuQhHpLzg/video.html
record it if you can xD
It would sound right for him to use the Pharaoh's respectful, non-malicious chant from the final duel and as also heard in scripted duels IRL.
_"Almighty protector of the sun and sky, I beg of thee, please heed my cry. Transform thyself from orb of light and bring me victory in this fight. I beseech thee, grace our humble game. But first I shall...call out thy name: Winged Dragon of Ra!"_
But that's just my opinion, though…
Joey: "ALLRIIGHT!!
Almighty protcectah of the sun and skies!!! I beg-a thee... heed my cry! Transform thyself from both orb and light, and bring me victory in this fight!!!!
I beseech thee..
grace the face off of this dirtball!
But first I shall call out da name...:
WINGED DRAGON OF RA!!"
Everyone: "What?!!"
Wayne Grayson was Joey's English voice actor! And, yeah, I would LOVE to see it myself!
Apparently he's been to this card shop in NYC a few times which is funny since it's not like it's that popular of a shop. He must know the owner or something
I like to imagine Joey gets 3 monsters out while holding Ra, but he hesitates to use it, as the monster hurt his friends, and sure it's powerful he doesn't know if he could use it.
Then he would hear a voice speaking to him, the voice is Ra, it tells him that he is it's masters now and if he so wishes, it will lend it's power to him and help him read the text on the card.
So then he plays, speaks the chant and shocks everyone.
I hadn't even considered the psychological aspect
And then dies like the trash he is.
Yugi looks confused as Ra hits the field, until Joey does the chant and makes him shit bricks. That would be one hell of a moment, and Kaiba would probably say be in a full WTF Panic mode on seeing what was happening. "There's no way Wheeler is about to win MY tournament! I'm never going to live this down!"
I think it'd be more interesting for good Marik to survive and teach Joey the Ra summoning chant. Obviously the dub version with Brooklyn Joey saying the chant would be comedy gold and a meme that survives beyond the series. But I think Obelisk & Slifer vs Ra in and Yugi vs Joey duel would've been such an iconic moment.
Wouldn't work. Only those connected to Egypt and the Millennium Items can use the God cards. Which is why Yami outright said only certain duelist can use the gods.
That wouldn't work since Marik, Ishizu, & Atem all stated throughout Battle City that those connected through Egypt and the Millennium Items can use the God cards. Seto Kaiba *thought* he controlled Obelisk due to his skill but it was actually due to his Ancient Egypt heritage. Since Marik died in this hypothetical (wished it would've happened legit but that's for another day), the *only* way for Joey to learn the chant is through Ra itself- b/c Joey fought Ra via a Dark Game and won, Joey earned a bit of Ra's respect. Since the 3 Gods are sentient in their own right (Ishizu & Shadi say as much in the manga while Marik witnesses Ra's anger several times via the fake card copies with Odion being the final straw), it wouldn't surprise anyone if Ra taught Joey the chant while he was in his comatose state simply out of respect for Joey's willpower.
@@AngelKnightZeo713 yeah that’s the thing Joey is like the one duelist who legitimately can’t be argued to have earned the respect of Ra from nothing
I don’t see Ishizu holding a grudge. Odion maybe, but remember, Ishizu went into the tournament fully prepared for the possibility that Marik couldn’t be saved. It was only when Kaiba changed the future that she became hopeful. And I think she would be rational enough to know that Joey’s duel was a literal kill-or-be-killed scenario. Which Marik started.
Yeah, she would understand that Marik chose this path and gambled away his life in a shadow duel, and Joey was just defending himself from getting killed.
Unless the future she sees this time would be one where she and her brother WILL defeat Joey in a shadow game, and she must fulfill that vision.
You forget that Kaiba correctly guessed that if Marik couldn't be saved Ishizu was going to kill herself.
Considering Marik was controlled by Yami Marik it'd be believable he manages to sacrifice Marik to the shadows and escapes by harbouring inside Ishizu and convinces her into believing that she needs revenge against Joey for killing her brother
Imagine if Joey summoned Ra and it was about to attack him for not being worthy before realising that it had attacked him twice already and he's still standing, so it just respects him and lets him use it.
You aren’t wort- oh wait I attacked you twice and you’re still standing never mind then
@@levievil9220 "Wait, aren't you the guy from back when that guy used a fake me? And didn't that guy order me to attack you personally not too long ago too? How are you still alive? Screw it, I'm not going to achieve anything, just use me as you wish!"
@@JzanderN basically ra is gonna either respect the balls Joey has or just go like ummm you survived twice and now idk
Did...did you seriously come back for round three? Aight fine, what am I targeting.
@@levievil9220"local Yankee too dumb to die" 😭😭😭
Something that would be cool in this new timeline would be Ra actually reviving Joey from death. Ra, seeing the defeat of its previous wielder, along with the shear will power to survive an egyption god's wrath, gives Joey its favor; a small piece of its power, allowing him to be reborn, such as a phoenix. Also because Joey would be brought back like this, he could gain the ability to read Ra's card text, or atleast enough to understand the summoning chant.
10:19 Another possibility is that, since the Egyptian God Cards are sentient, maybe Ra could bestow to Joey the knowledge needed unlock Ra's Sphere. After all, in this hypothetical universe where Joey won the rights to use the Winged Dragon of Ra, and the fact that Joey survived a fatal blow from Ra's fire, it could be entirely possible that Ra would respect Joey and reward him with knowledge needed to use Ra's power. And maybe, Ra gives Joey that information while Joey is in that comatose state.
Ra sees joey summoned him and just goes "oh shit, aint this the dude that tanked my fireball? Mad respect little bro" and just summons without the chant
also Jaden once used Ra even though he had no knowledge of ancient Egyptian
@@rogerwinters4958 to be fair Jaden is the supreme king he’s basically on a level above Atem
@@TrueBladeSoulsomething funny to think about that all the yugioh Protagonists save the ones from Vrains and the Rush duelists have something that would allow them to use the God Cards. From the power of sacred darkness, the Crimson Dragon's mark, Chaos, and finally being a fragment of an equal.
One detail you neglected to bring up regarding Good!Marik's survival: At this point, there is still a piece of his soul chilling in TEA'S mind/soul as a backup. So even if both the 'good' and 'bad' parts of Marik were purged from his body via the shadowgame, that piece of him could probably still return to his body.
That's a good point
If he has no body, his soul can't return to it. He would be a wondering spirit like Yami.
@@Ramona122003 No bodies were destroyed in this shadow game though. That was only in Yugi's shadow game. In Joey's, the duelists just felt the pain of their monster's deaths and had that same damage inflicted on their minds
11:25 Honestly I think the Winged Dragon would obey Joey because he took it's power full force and was still standing inspite of it. That probably would be enough for the Winged Dragon to obey him.
@@medtoure7478 Everyone heard Marik say it and I'm pretty sure Ra himself might even be willing to tell Joey the chant.
@@medtoure7478I can imagine Joey just shouting something like "fuck it, you couldnt even kill a random guy so stop being so full of BS" and actually winning the "Ra can understand his language and will acept it" gamble in a really dire situation (like... summoning it against Obelisk and Osiris because he doesnt have any other way to win).
It would be in character for him to at least try, and pulling it would be a really good payoff.
"I got you mortal." said Ra.
Atem knows ancient Egyptian, right? Why wouldn't he be able to translate for Joey?
I mean, Jaden was able to command it in GX so it definitely can learn to trust people without a connection to Ancient Egypt.
One slight change you could make is that red eyes returned to Yugi's deck at the end of the duel. Then after Jory loses he gives him Ra. However, Yugi refuses to flat out take the card off him out respect for what he has achieved. Instead Yugi offers to trade Joey Red Eyes Black Dragon for his Wing Dragon of Ra.
The way I see the Yugi/Joey duel going down is a fierce back and forth with multiple lead changes. Joey succeeds in summoning Jinzo, Insect Queen, and Legendary Fisherman only to as you said sacrifice them to summon Ra. From here on out Ra is an insurmountable wall for Yugi. Monster after monster are destroyed on Yugis side, yet he manages to get out both Obelisk and Slifer (albeit at different times) through all the plays he used to get Slifer on the field, Yugis hand is pretty depleted and Slifer can’t stand up to Ra. Obelisk is also no match, especially after Joey managed to block Obelisks two tribute nuke attack. Finally Yugi is able to play Ragnarok just like he did in the duel with Marik. Ra goes down and Joey is beaten. Afterward, Joey makes a comment along the lines of “I should’ve known better than to challenge the king of games” he’s friendly as usual but you can tell he’s upset with himself for failing to win, even with an Egyptian God card. To which Atem replies “Joey your journey to where you are now has been nothing short of remarkable. You defeated Marik in a shadow game, You earned the trust and respect of an Egyptian God, and after all that it took every monster in my deck to defeat you. You truly are the most powerful duelist I’ve ever met.” Joey with a resolute look on his face stands up and hands Yugi the Winged Dragon of Ra. “Ya know Yoog when you put it that way, I don’t feel so bad, but what I want now, is to see if I can beat rich boy and his pet Blue Eyes.” He turns to face Kaiba, as his arch nemesis activates his duel disk. Yugi calls out. “Joey you’ll need this.” And throws a card to Joey. He turns it over slowly to reveal the Red Eyes Black Dragon.
Joey was meant to represent us, the viewers of the anime.
This is shown by him being the one character in the anime that had to learn to play the game as opposed to the other characters like Yugi who was familiar with game.
He has more growth in the show compared to any other side character. Marik represented the challenge us as the players would have to face at some point playing the card game. Sometimes we will be outmatched by an opponent (Marik’s god card being his overwealming strength) but Joey winning here against Marik after going so far in the duel would have shown that even when backed against the wall, in Yu-Gi-oh there is always a chance to win with what you have.
Should he have beat Marik he would’ve gone on to face Yugi and likely beat him representing us, the players, taking the game into our own hands as we do today with the many different variations of decks. It would’ve been a great way to end the show.
(Disclaimer: this is not my idea, just one from a very clever CZcamsr who covered the same subject, video title: “why battle city is the peak of Yu-Gi-Oh”)
I saw the same one. I believe he’s the same person who writes about Yu-Gi-Oh being split into different timelines depending on the era of Yugioh. He drew a lot of good points, and it’s definitely not something to completely disregard as a theory
I wanted the video by that CZcams, can't remember whom though 😅
Well I see this as: he proved himself in this duel and that's why he got chosen to wield the power of the Legendary Dragon Hermos.
Honestly I hated how joey never won without luck. I felt more of a connection to kaiba, a methodical, intelligent planner that carefully balanced his deck to such a ridiculous degree that he had memorised every card in his deck and he could consistently draw cards he could use or fall back on.
I think Ra would have accepted Joey owning him and using him in a duel as by surviving his flames showed Ra the humans determination and survival as well as will to save his friends from evil
@@medtoure7478he heard Marik say it against Myne it's also not that hard to remember
@@medtoure7478 I think if Ra would have accepted Joey then Ra would've helped Joey be able to read the chant
@@medtoure7478 eh who knows ultimately it's up to Ra to decide
I think Ra would assist joey I mean he took a divine fade from mega ultra chicken and almost beat the big bad had he didn't cheat
I think Ra would have accepted Joey because
1. He survived a direct attack from it in a shadow game.
2. He rightfully won it from his previous owner.
If Joey had Ra, even for one duel, the potential fusion variant would be astounding. Imagine the culmination of Red-Eyes with the spirit of Ra. This majestic phoenix/dragon hybrid displaying the realized potential and willpower of a true duelist.
Another what if scenario: Joey defeats Yugi in Duelist Kingdom and faces Pegasus. Is there ANY way Joey could beat him? Could Yugi give the puzzle to him or something? Ironically, I do think the full power of Joey's Gambler deck could help him, since dice and coin flips aren't really something Pegasus' Eye could predict.
I think Joey would win. Pegasus can see his cards. He can’t see his luck
No way Joey defeats Pegasus, even with his penchant for "luck" cards. Pegasus would still know they were coming and work around them.
There is a shadow game with Chinese dragon cards in the first arc of yugioh. Yugi lost and then Yami took after after his soul was pulled out
@kazemizu bro that's basically season 4
@@st.jimmy0244 What if Joey still somehow beat Pegasus anyway?
I always imagined Yami Marik would pull a body hijack and possess Joey so he would stay as the villain for the arc.
Yeah definitely
I can see that happening. Because Joey is NOT summoning The Winged Dragon of Ra otherwise.
I thought so too, but wouldnt that be redundant with the duel between Joey and Yugi at the docks?
@@SacredBlazeXxX Thats why the writers didnt go this route, but if they did make Joey win this would be where the story could go for resolution of Yami Marik.
Or theyd have to settle it out of the tournament in another arc.
It would make it fitting as there’s an episode where Joey is possessed by Red Eyes Black Dragon and Tea goes “Not again.”
It fits the running gag lol
Don't think Ishizu would show animosity towards Joey, since she had already been in conflict with Marik for years, hiring armed guards against him before he reawakened Yami Marik...... Odion on the other hand... yeah I can see that happening
The main change would be that now Ra Yellow would be the lowest level dorm in Duel Academy
That thought had crossed my mind. You know Kaiba is so petty he would do that.
Jaden would look cursed wearing anything but Slifer Red
Ishizu would have killed herself if Marik couldn't be saved. Kaiba figured that out after he decided to blow up the island.
Red Eyes mechanically works like a phoenix, having lots of floating/GY revive effects. Ra's attack is uncertain, being dependent on what is used for tribute. It fits Joey's style to have it in his deck.
Joey apparently won against Yugi off screen to get his Red-Eyes back, so there was a possibility that Joey could have won Battle City and had two God-Cards.
That's actually a misconception from the dub, in the original japanese he never had to defeat Yugi to get it back, just to prove himself a True Duelist, worthy of owning the Red-Eyes, so he didn't necessarily win
Yugi had his deck stacked with tribute monsters. He had to brick sooner or later.
@@sluna6434battle city rules
@@ChhrrisH2496 Battle City was over at that time and so was the Ante Rule
@@sluna6434give or take it is possible that joey eon since the luck boost from the puzzle is dependent on stakes and since the duel is extremely low stakes joey is able to come out victorious.
If I'm understanding it right, in the case of a shadow duel. Yami Marik would lose his soul and Good Marik would survive as he still has a part of himself in Tea at this moment in time. The body of Marik would still be there so through some mystical mumbo jumbo Marik would retake control of his body.
if we look at it like it does with The Seal of Orichalcos I can totally see Evil Marik sacking his good self but would most likely fail to do so
I completely forgot about that.
Interesting little nugget! I forgot about Marik living in Tea’s consciousness/head.
Interesting little nugget! I forgot about Marik living in Tea’s consciousness/head.
Perhaps. Though given the stipulations of this duel losing his life points might have just straight up killed him the same way Joey almost died.
**In the alternative timeline**
Kaiba: **look up in the sky for sometimes, take a deep breath** I CAN'T BELIVE I LOST TO FREAKING JOEY WILLER!
Joey: Not so tuff now, are ya Kaiba?
Joey: so, if I'm a 3rd rate duelist with a 4th rank deck, and I did better than you, does that make your deck 5th rank?
Kaiba: up yours Wheeler, at least I'm still rich!
@@QuickSilverKitsune mokuba: Seto! Our stocks have tanked in value and Pegasus is buying the company! We’re going bankrupt!
@@the24thcolossusjustchillin39 Seto: I will get you for this.
*Or maybe something like this*
Kaiba:(screaming similar to how kirk screamed in wrath of khan)"WHEEEEEELERRRRR!"
I really wanted to see a dinamic like this in DSOD. A shadow game between Aigami and Joey, where life points are also memories (Aigami erases Joey's memories in the movie) then Joey draws his cards and remember his battles and his friends, like drawing Red eyes, Jinzo and such, then with the memory of his battle against Marik he draws Ra and summons it. Then as others said in their comments, Ra obeys Joey out of respect for him, then maybe in the other turn Aigami gets rid out of Ra and makes a board full of monsters ready to finish Joey on the next turn, but with his memory of little Yugi, he draw Time wizard, summons it and after using its effect attacks for game. Maybe someday I write a fanfic duel with this Idea but I really like it.
damn that's an amazing idea
Bro, if you DO do that, you've GOT to drop a link to it here, because I would unironically LOVE to read it.
bro this is a brilliant idea, did you make that fanfic yet
The way you’re describing the hypothetical duel between yugi and Joey makes me upset that we never saw their duel after battle city, where presumably Joey wins because he has his red eyes back the very next season. Would’ve loved to see another dark sage appearance and to also see how far Joey had come with an Egyptian god in his deck
I don't think Joey won that duel, but probably earned his Red Eyes back anyway, and likely in the way this video says, where he somehow defeats Red-Eyes in battle using his own wits, and then uses Graverobber to steal it back and use it against Yugi in a major almost game winning play, until Yugi ultimately inevitably wins the next turn.
Yugi would recognize he earned his card back and let him keep it after pulling off that move and almost actually winning with it.
Man if Jonouchi(Joey) actually won that duel it would’ve been amazing and we get to see the duel between Atem or Yugi duel against Jonouchi with the song “Duel Of Friendship” playing in the background it would’ve been a spectacular duel to see. Hell imagine Kaiba’s face when he sees Jonouchi beating either Atem or Yugi and taking back his Red Eyes. Oh my god the potential and the soundtracks used in that duel would’ve been incredible. As for the Shadow Game I think only Yami Marik perishes while the good half of him remains I’m basing it off of the duel with Pegasus.
Just say Joey ya weeb
@@gordonross3270 A weeb calling another person a weeb how original
Just say Joey weeb
@@anonymousxiii4780 a weeb calling another person a weeb. How original.
A funny option: since Joey doesn't know the summoning chant, he just uses Ra how its used in real life duals... a Sphere Mode brick on your opponent's field.
This is not master duel
@@Abdelrahman348even with anime effect that would work against anyone except for Yugi and Kaiba
@@Mc_Beefcake yeah protection and bullshit
Joey might have been able to use Wing Dragon of Ra if he defeated Marik due to earning the right to use it.
One interesting thing I could see about this “What if scenario” is that there could be a legacy card made to honour this moment as it would be so iconic. Maybe like it sends all cards on the field to the GY at a very heavy cost and then summons OG Gearfried from the Hand, Deck or GY, and could allow you to banish it to search for a Phoenix Gearfried and summon it that turn via banishing the OG.
And this could ultimately make it so Phoenix Gearfried makes some sense as an evolution to Gearfried. In his moments before death, he defied the Phoenix God, to then be blessed with its gift of reincarnation. Just like how Joey did in this scenario
1:55 He... was... robbed! I remember when I first saw this episode! I was hoping that he was going to win! He was almost there and then...plot...
Given that Joey loved Flame Swordsman im kind of shocked we never got a Red Eyes Flame Swordsman card.
Instead we got "Gearfried the Red Eyes iron knight" for some reason
What's even more insane is there's a Red-Eyes Black Flame Swordsman in the Dartz arc. He uses Red-Eyes with Hermos, and equips the Red-Eyes Sword to Flame Swordsman, so what the hell Konami.
@XDoggStrafe he equipped it onto Gearfried the not-so-iron-anymore Swordsman. Not Flame Swordsman.
@@Yami-no-Raiden I swear I remember him equipping it to flame swordsman, but I will admit I haven't watched the dartz arc in a long time now, so I could be remembering wrong
@@XDoggStrafee equipped the Red Eyes sword to Blue Flame Swordsman against Mai before passing out.
Joey having "Earned RA's respect" actually has a precedent as Jaden had that happen to him in GX. Raw allowed Jaden to weild its power after Jaden declared that he doesn't shackle his monsters.
I honestly think Joey doesn't either. Hell he's got a combo that quite literally unshackles one of his monsters to make them even stronger, Gearfried the Iron Knight to Gearfried the Swordmaster through Release Restraint. Ra would see Joey not only as a duelist with incredible fortitude and determination, but also a care for his monsters.
Plus just imagine what Joey could have pulled with Ra and the Claw of Hermos.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 he doesn’t have that card anymore
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 He wouldn't pull anything. Season 4 mcguffin took the god cards, and Hermos is gone at the end so that they can entirely forget about what happened.
This would be the stipulation with the Legendary Dragons, though it's just a theory: Either Yugi or Joey relate their experiences with the LDs and get Pegasus to recreate the cards (most likely with a vision of all the dragons), and depending on the next duels, both of them can get creative with the other monsters in their decks. Same for Kaiba with Critias, since he postulated that Critias has the same level of power as the Egyptian Gods.
You have it all wrong and have nothing to do with respect Jaden was able to control ra because he's the supreme King he had an ancient past is why he was able to control raw it had nothing to do with respect 😊
6:35
kaiba does actually give a compliment to joey in the dub as well:
"i never thought wheeler could withstand an attack by the most powerful egyptian god card. perhaps hes not the third rate amateur i thought he was"
I think that, if Joey had won, Yami Marik and the Millennium Rod would have found their way into Joey's possession and hijacked him. Instead of repeating when Joey was brainwashed though, Joey actively fights from within and throws out moves that help Yugi. This leaves an opening for Ra to be summoned properly, and Joey being fully aware of Marik's control this time around would change up the theme compared to when he was brainwashed. Joey's chance cards would even serve as the means to help Yugi, such as using Time Wizard and losing the toss or if Yami Marik sets Graceful Dice and Joey activates it early to throw a wrench in Marik's play.
The Rod probably would but Yami Marik would either be dead or "banished to the Shadow Realm" depending on your dub and how you interpret the "damage to your life points = damage to you" rule that Marik imposed upon the duel.
I feel like, yeah, Ishizu and Odion would feel a bit mad at Joey for what happened, but because how smart they are, they would think over what had previously happened leading up to this and realize that Joey isn't really at fault for what he did and they probably would have done the same if they were in their shoes if given the chance. Also, I and probably a lot of other people would have loved to see how Joey would have used Ra and his abilities to stand up to Kaiba and Atem/Yugi in the last duels.
@@medtoure7478 true, but like he said, if Marik survived, because Joey defeated Yami Marik, regular Marik could tell Joey the chant and we could hear Joey say it in his Brooklyn accent.
I like the idea of Ishizu and Odion becoming overwhelmed with hatred. Bring them back for the "Waking of the Dragons" arc and have them become antagonists.
I just think they’d have a more bittersweet conclusion is all, Odion more so. They’d carry on their duty of the pharaoh. And they’d simply have to try moving on with their lives or simply live with the trauma
I always thought if the final was Joey vs Yugi, Joey would feign forgetting about the sphere mode when ra is summoned. Atem would then say the chant to get ra but Joey would survive the turn and during his turn he smirks and thanks Atem as he activates anime “owners seal” giving Joey ra without affecting ra so it won’t like go back to Atem at the end of the turn.
That would be a hilarious play, and for bonus points: it would show his skills have grown to Yugi's level by him playing an utter brick card with only a handful of potential applications, and then somehow only drawing it the one time it's useful to him.
Oh my god that sound hilarious! I can actually see Joey doing that too XD
God I can almost imagine Kaiba almost Malding at the sight of Joey pulling that off😂
Okay, I've actually thought this through, and I've had an idea for a sequence of events that earns Joey the win. First, context, Joey does a Ra summon as indicated in the original comment, but, he had Owner Seal set facedown, so as per Battle City rules he played it directly after Yugi did the summoning chant to snag it back. He already used Graverobber to snag Red Eyes from Yugi's graveyard. He has one trap that is a reference to him IRL but that I don't think he ever actually played, and he has one cards on the field still: Gearfried.
So, he just got Ra back, but due to one reason or another with all the trading shenanigans, it has 0 attack. Somehow or other, Yugi has the other two god cards on the field already, hence his wanting to snag Ra for the finisher, so Joey plays a single spell card: Polymerization, fusion the Winged Dragon of Ra with Gearfried the iron knight, making a figure which looks a bit like it's wearing a golden version of the Lord of Red armor from the later season. Its effect, in anime tradition, is exactly what Joey needs, somehow allowing him to attack and destroy both Egyptian Gods (although this can leave him at, like, 2100 LP as a cost). But then, after the battle phase due to the god immunity being an effect on this sun god Gearfried, the fusion splits into Ra and Gearfried, with Ra still at 0. Joey comments on this being an issue, but then smirks, and says "guess I'll just have to borrow a page out of Kaiba's book." He then sacrifices god and Gearfried to summon Red Eyes Black Dragon. He then sets one trap card facedown. Yugi's turn, he begins burning through his hand now that Slifer is no longer on the field, and quickly summons out both Dark Magician and Dark Magician girl, planning to go for his signature win now that Joey only has 100 LP, by hitting over Red Eyes using Dark Magician. Everyone is reacting as if Joey has already lost, when suddenly: he reveals the trap card Red Eyes Fang with Chain. He then comments he was planning on using its first effect to whittle down Yugi's remaining life points faster, but then shrugs "good thing its second effect is just right for this occasion. By sending this card equipped to my Red Eyes to the graveyard, I can equip one opposing monster to the monster it is equipped to, and my Red Eyes's attack points become equal to the equipped monster's. And I chose" he points "Your Dark Magician, canceling your attack." (Disclaimer, dunno if the second effect would count as a quick effect IRL, but screw it, this is the anime, it counts since it's badass.) The Dark Magician gets pulled up onto Red Eyes's back, and then Yugi doesn't attack anything else since his Dark Magician Girl is too weak to beat over Dark Magician without a buff, and Dark Magician is on the field rather than in the graveyard. Yugi also lacks any non brick cards by now, so he ends his turn. Joey's turn, he draws one, it doesn't matter what he draws, as he just attacks the Dark Magician Girl using his Red Eyes, dealing exactly enough LP to bring Yugi to 0, winning him the duel.
Another change is Mai's soul is freed early. So she wakes up as Joey is in his coma and would likely be there when he wakes. She also gets to watch his final duel with Yugi, which would be interesting to get her perspective.
From a storytelling perspective, I think a more interesting outcome would be if Joey won the duel and the Winged Dragon but Evil Marik survived. The best anime Tournaments usually involve crazy stuff going on behind the scenes of the big fights (battle city did have a fair amount of that with the Rare Hunters plots), and Marik having to try and continue his scheme from a position of weakness, out of the bracket AND without his God Card, has a lot of potential. He still has the souls of Good Marik and Mai as hostages, he has the Pharoh's secret tatooed on his back, and he has multiple Millennium items with the potential to acquire more while everyone is occupied with Yugi and Kaiba's duel. With those chips to play I think he could find ways to manipulate the finals, twisting something that should be about friendship into something horrifically antagonistic. I could easily imagine Marik manipulating the boy's duel into a no-win scenario, perhaps where Joey's victory would allow all the trapped souls to go free (he could even hunt down a few more to add into the bargain, like Ishizu, Serenity, Tristan, even Kaiba) but create some terrible consequence for the world at large via the Millennium Items. Joey is left to fight for the lives of the innocent lives in front of him while Atem has to face the temptation of sacrificing those people for the greater good.
Oh you had that idea too heh. Ran this idea a few times in the last couple of years wondering what it would've been like had Evil Marik somehow survived after Joey won and twist the final outcome into as you said, from friendship into something horrifically antagonistic.
Like a part 2/grand finale to the duel at the docks against a possessed Joey, and the only way out of it this time is through some extremely clever maneuvering by Yami Yugi done throughout the span of an episode or two while weathering assaults from Joey's High Risk High Reward playstyle, Jinzo making traps useless, and a powered-up Winged Dragon of Ra on the field. All the while Joey hoping Yugi will find a way but has to keep going less they both lose everything.
Though I am curious to figure out what kind of leverage Yami Marik can use to force Yami Yugi's compliance on the path of 'sacrificing others for the greater good' seeing as he only has two Millennium Items on his being at the time, that being the Rod and the Ring.
Here's a what if idea: What if Bakura won against Yami Marik? In both the manga and the anime, Marik was unaware of the point-to-point transfer effect of Ra, since the Millenium Rod didn't impart this information, thus leading Bakura to send it to the grave for Yami Marik to recover it with Monster Reborn. Had they known, how would it have changed the duel? If not a what if, it could make for a "Could Bakura have Won?" video.
Another: What if Kaiba fell for Ishizu's trap? Had the Millenium Rod not interveined and given Kaiba the vision to tribute Obelisk for Blue-Eyes, how would Ishizu fare for the rest of Battle City? How would the 4 way duel go? Does Ishizu go on to duel Yugi or Marik?
All Bakura had to do to curb stomp Marik was use the millennium eye he took from Pegasus.
@@breakfaith3031 Would the eye work if it isn't in the eye socket? Cause if not, it would mean Bakura would have to out himself as Pegasus' murderer/assulter.
@@marjosonic honestly he should have when he dueled yugi in battle city. Imagine if he took down yugi and won slifer the sky dragon and then took Mariks millenium rod and the winged dragon of Ra.
Yami Bakura defeating Yami Marik was what I was hoping where the show would go actually.
I'm always on board with this theory carfting. Joey deserved Ra change my mind.
He didn't his deck sucked, there is no reason for him to keep using swordsman of landstar and battle warrior for as late as he did
Hope I changed your mind
@@VGInterviews Yes his deck sucked, BUT it would be better if he added Mega Ultra Chicken
@@mimesforcrimes8393 It's funny to think how - outside of the monsters he won that were mentioned in this video (e.g. Jinzo) - most of his monsters are so weak that even sacrificing 3 of them to summon Ra would probably only end up giving it ~2500 attack points lol.
@@VGInterviews his deck is one of the better decks in the original Torm Jinzo and other cards are better in the real life version then in the anime and what knock...
@@VGInterviewshis deck didnt suck entering the " finals" of the battle city tornament. Only Kaiba fan bois say this. And they dont have any argument based enough to prove it.
Actually, I think there's a way for Joey to use Ra.
Let's head back to 9:45 , where joey summons the 3 ace monsters he gains from the tournament and got Ra in his hand (or just drew it), I think that everyone would be here to see the duel, and when joey would doubt using it, he will be possessed by Marik using the small part that's still in tea plus the help of the millenium rod, which didn't dissapear like the millenium ring of Yami Bakura.
Marik would tell Joey the secrets of Ra and maybe the secrets of the pharaoh's memory as a token of gratitude for destroying his evil half before faiding away.
I think another big speculating moment for Joey's duel against Yugi is him being able to defeat Obelisk that Yugi brings out, either with Ra or the combine might of Red-eyes and the ace monsters he won in the tournament. It would of hammered home Kaiba's realization even more that Joey can beat his (former) god card had Kaiba would have duel Joey in the finals.
I don’t know if Marik & Yami Marik would’ve lost their souls together. We’ve seen on occasion Yugi being trapped. We see him sacrifice himself for the pharaoh with the Seal of Orichalcos for example. I feel like there could’ve been another time but could be wrong. Haven’t watched the anime in a long time. Either Way it’s different but similar enough.
Thing about Yugi & Atem is, they are two separate souls sharing one body despite them looking so similar. Hence why Yugi sacrificing himself to save Atem from getting trapped by the Seal of Orichalcos works.
But IIRC, Yami Marik is merely an alter ego of the real Marik Ishtar, and hence they are really the same soul. However, because the real Marik is considered the "dominant half" by his alter ego, if the real Marik Ishtar dies, so does Yami Marik. But the reverse need not be true.
@@cameraredeye3115I think by this point the two Mariks were essentially seperate souls as well, capable of being in disparate locations such as Tea's subconscious mind. Until Yami Marik captures him and uses him as a sacrificial lamb for the final duel.
I suppose unlike the Yugis if you looked into Marik's soul with the key you _would_ find two rooms, but rather than a clean hallway with doors it would be one big room basically cracked open down the middle since they started out as one entity but now are two
In my opinion, Joey would give Ra to Yugi just like that, saying something like "Here you go Yug. This is the final Egyptian God card." And Yugi would say "No. You won that fair and square, Joey. I can't accept it." And then Joey would say "Don't sweat it. This was the whole reason I entered the tournament to begin with. I have no use for it, but you definitely need it."
After that they would have a friendly duel without the gods just to see who is better but it wouldn't have a clear outcome or maybe it ends in a draw.
I mean it could just have Joey when being in cannon he does win and beat yugi
Another interesting point is what happens with the Millennium Rod? Would Joey inherit it as well? Perhaps the Rod could provide a connection to the ancient past and help Joey perform the summoning chant for Ra.
That'd be an interesting idea, though I do feel like the Millennium Rod would largely be a nonissue at that point, not unlike how the Millennium Eye was after Bakura took it from Pegasus
That’s a very good point and I haven’t thought of it. I’m probably gonna guess if Joey won Marik’s millennium rod also, I bet it could help Joey figure the chant. I do think if Joey won that duel against Marik and waited to face his friend Yugi(or if you want to use the name Atem if you want) I do think Joey would successfully summon Ra but it would be in its sphere form as a way to test Joey if he is worthy of its powers if he could recite the chant. I think during the duel the millennium rod would activate and help Joey. Imho I think the 3 monsters Joey would use to sacrifice to summon Ra is Panther Warrior, Axe Raider and Gearfried The Iron Knight and Ra would have 5500 atk and 4350 def. If Joey won against Marik and when Yugi beats Kaiba, I bet Kaiba would be really mad and embarrassed Joey gone to the finals in his own tournament and he lost against Yugi in the semifinals.
Only the Chosen few can used any of the Millennium Items. Pegasus saw someone unworthy get burnt to death.
The Millennium Rod would go to Yugi & Atem, obviously while Thief King Bakura gets his Ring back. As we see through both Pegasus (manga & anime) and Kid Bakura (via the movie that's canon to the manga), unless the person has connections to Ancient Egypt, the Items *always* choose their owners & if deemed unworthy, the unworthy person is burnt to death on a spiritual level.
Didn't joey touch the millennium puzzle?@@Ramona122003
I think you're pretty much on point.
Interesting point about the God Cards is that they all belong to people with a degree of darkness to them. All 3 God-wielding finalists (Atem, Marik and Kaiba) crave power, sometimes with little regard for the consequences. Joey has none of that. He's a very pure hearted character. He's not nearly as ambitious as the other 3 finalists and that's one more reason why I think Ra would accept him and let him wield the power of a God: Power should be given to those who do not crave it. For that reason it would have also been fun if Joey had used Ra in a very creative way not to destroy, but to protect, heal or restore something during the duel.
But other than that I think for the plot Yugi would still take a close win and complete the Divine Trinity in order to continue his quest.
I mean atem didn't really crave the power it just they were the key to his memories.
@@frankspick7544 I will remind you that Atem did activate the Seal of Orichalcos when he he didn't need to, just to eek out a victory in an up to that point Zero-Stakes Duel. He has ambition and has certainly less reservations about taking some power even at considerable cost.
@@Hornswroggleyeah but we're talking the God cards specifically. He never sought them out for the sake of "ooh, strong cards!", like Kaiba, or "I will unlock the Pharoah(me)'s power and rule the world!", like Marik.
Here’s an interesting idea what if crow was a dark signer that was the original intent for his character, but what if they kept that intent and he was a villain in the dark signer Arc
That would be interesting
When i heard that was the original idea i was so mad they didn't do it, imagine the most popular deck used by a bad guy. So cool
Here is a cool one: "What If Yugioh 5ds went as intended", in this timeline Luna fougth Demak instead of Leo, Leo figths Greiger and we get Akiza vs Saywer
In the hypothetical Yugi v Joey duel, I could see Yugi making a mental rule not to use his Egyptian God Cards and instead use a Red-eyes Dark Dragoon.
Man dragoon would be neaf as filp
Dragoon would at least have its negate and atk boost removed and only 1 pop per turn, some protection might go away as well.
@@dudono1744 Or he would be a fusion of Red-Eyes Black Dragon and Dark Paladin.
dragoon didin't even existed at that time
Dragoon is arguably even stronger than a God Card. It's got close to the same level of protection, an effect negate, and the potential to double burn AND attack in the same turn, in a 4000 LP format.
I like the comparison of the winged dragon of ra to the elder wand. Both are very powerful ancient tools that basically choose their owner. That's a neat idea
The potential dynamic between Kaiba and Joey after this is just gold
With Gx in mind Obelisk does make sense as the strongest dorm and slifer the weakest.
All three egyptian god cards are powerful but they have very specific situations to be powerful.
Slyfer needs cards in the owner's hand. This is something we heavily see in the duelest from that dorm. They often top deck or make arguably simple plays mostly using their hand.
Ra is next and it's strength comes from the board. Monsters tributed for it, and the player's life points are where the majority of it's power comes from. We specifically see this alot with Bastian but also with other Ra yellow characters that more complex strategies using the board state occur.
Obelisk is always 4000 attack points. It honestly doesn’t matter where it is. It is always strong unlike the other two. Throughout the series multiple Obelisk students use their hands, fields and graveyards and in Zane's case even the banish zone.
We also see the progression of these play styles in the cast always in this order. Mind you many Obelisk student's in Jaden's year arguably should have (initially) been in Slyfer or at most Ra... gender and money really weakened that house.
Wow amazing way to look at it
I love your analysis but I think it's an Arkhan's Razon situation.
Kaiba pun Slifer Red the worst one out of spite for Yugi .... we are talking about the guy who built a space station, space elevator and all just so his AI can remake the Millenium Puzzle so he could maybe have his rematch with the Pharaoh ... and when that failed he made a time machine with a change of him being stuck there for the same reasone.
@Phoenixillusion18 Kaiba didn't make a time machine. He literally went into the afterlife.
I never said that Kaiba didn't put slifer at the bottom out of spite. Only that there are reasonable parallels between the God cards and the dorms being in the order they are because of the cards mechanics and how they can relate to playing styles.
This is really interesting. I always thought Joey won the Battle City tournament. He beat Odion. He "technically" beat Marik if he didn't collapse. Yugi beats Kaiba, and then we have Yugi vs. Joey once again. After all, in the next series, Joey has his Red-Eyes Black Dragon back, and the old rumor has it is that Joey actually beats Yugi at the end of the Battle City series to win his Red-Eyes back.
If I'm not mistaken, in the Manga, Atem never lost a duel until the very end (all losses were due to some fuckery or he giving up for a specific reason outside of the duel).
This is to solidify the importance of Yugi beating him for his soul to pass on (and later is the starting point for the movie, which follows the manga where Kaiba never saw their final duel).
Thus, Atem/Yugi losing to Joey kinda of undermines both the ending of the series as well as the epilogue movie.
Joey didn't beat odion lol
@@ggwp638BC Joey could just have just beat Yugi instead of Atem. Yugi dueled Rebecca after all, no Atem
@julianogodoy964 I believe that it was Atem that Joey faced honestly. At the end of the series, it shows little Yugi walking out of his Grandpas shop going to meet Joey. As soon as the series comes to an end, it shows Joey on one side, and Atem across from him. If yall remember, after Joey loses his Red-Eyes to the Rare Hunter, Atem defeats the Rare Hunter and tries to give Joey his Red-Eyes back, but Joey declines to accept his card back. He even tells Atem that if he accepts that card so easily, he'll feel like he's further away from becoming a true duelist. That leads me to believe that there's some truth to that old rumor of Joey winning back his Red-Eyes by defeating Atem instead of Atem just giving it back to him.
@@ggwp638BCdidn't the ceremonial duel imply that the reason why Atem was unbeaten was that Yugi (little yugi/Yugi Mutou) was the brains behind every duel Atem participated in?
The idea of Kaiba either saying he’s 3rd because Marik died or good Marik trying to play a regular duel against Kaibas powerful duel style would be so damn funny
I think Joey challenged him to the whole battle for third place thing in the show. I don't think Kaiba cares about any placing but first in the end
I always thought that, if Joey won The Winged Dragon of Ra, he'd have a dream sequence with Ra.
In the dream Ra would question how Joey's worthy of its power. Joey would then explain how his woth as a duelist all comes from his friendship with both Yugi and the Pharaoh. Joey would talk about their bond they have and how he wants to repay the two by proving his growth in a duel. Joey's monsters would show up to vouch for him and even Red-Eyes would appear from Yugi's deck to support Joey. Joey would finally ask Ra join his team in dueling the Pharaoh/Yugi saying "it would be fun!" Amused by Joey's passion and intrigued by the loyalty of his monsters, Ra would teach Joey the incantation to summon the god.
I can imagine the scene now, each monster would appear one by one starting with the most important ones coinciding with a fitting line (probably like flame swordsman and the battle city won monsters) before the rest of his monster line up appears all at ones but a burst a flames from Ra in annoyance or rage is sent at him which is blocked by the spirit of red eyes that envelops Joey with a large atem looming behind it to show both red eyes stout loyalty which is backed up by the pharaoh as he is in current possession of red eyes. Oh and Ra does not speak at all more like exudes emotions that Joey is able to accurately interpret (though would not be hard for the audience either, just dissatisfaction, annoyance and rage before acceptance) other than maybe some monstrous cries it’s already done when used. Joey’s dialogue would be what spells it out to the audience what Ra is feeling reacting to it essentially
I would like to think Kaiba becomes insecure after Joey gets silver that he challenges Marik to bronze medal just to prove that he is a great duelist. Sort of like wanting reasurrance
Or Joey being his usual self, he gets too cocky about defeating Marik, taunt and challenge kaiba like in the Yugi Vs Kaiba match.
But this time Kaiba took Joey abit more seriously and not yell at him "stop bothering him" and genuinely attempt to defeat him to ensure he is closest to yugi in term of leaderboard.
Imagine challenging a corpse to a duel. Not a magic talking corpse either, just a normal unalived human being
@@cbbblue8348and Kaiba loses.
4:45: If that happened, I could totally see Ishizu and Odion joining Dartz's side in season 4 and challenging Joey with the Seal of Orichalcos.
That may have really upped the ante, having two Gravekeeper's as servants, having given themselves over to a lust for misplaced revenge could have made for some really juicy drama.
Ishizu I think would've been fine. She was in battle city to stop marik after all and likely would understand joey
Odion however I could see, and it'd be a very cool rematch between them
@@blitz4779 Kaiba figured out that Ishizu was going to kill herself if she couldn't save Marik. She was far from fine.
I am so glad CZcams’s “timed” search let me find this without scrolling through 1.5K comments because I totally agree! They could even have a thing where Mai doesn’t join them because Joey saved he’s in time and a tag duel between them and the remaining Ishtar siblings!
It’s a shame that the Waking the Dragons arc predates the Gravekeeper’s archetype though. It’d be cool to see those two use the cards based on their organization and there could even be an anime-original or ~15 years early monster that looks like Marik. 👀
I had this idea myself before, although it went a bit differently to yours. In my version, after Joey wins the duel against Yami Marik, Yami Marik freaks out because he wasn't expecting his plan to fail before he reached the Pharaoh, and this combined with the effects of the shadow game weakens his hold over Marik's body, allowing regular Marik to fight back from the inside. Yugi and Ishizu use their millenium items to seal away Yami Marik forever and rescue regular Marik. The exertion from the duel causes Joey to collapse and he is taken to the medical bay to recover.
The second semi-final duel is Yami Yugi vs Kaiba as in canon. Yami Yugi is a bit more relaxed about the duel because the goal of defeating Marik has already been achieved, but Kaiba is still as driven as ever in his goal to defeat Yugi and become the King of Games, which Kaiba manages to do. Yugi congratulates Kaiba on his victory, hands over Slifer and warns him not to underestimate Joey in the final. Kaiba is a little disappointed to have defeated Yugi early and be facing Joey in the final, but he does welcome the opportunity to humiliate Joey on a global stage and prove once and for all that he is a third rate duelist with a fourth rate deck. Kaiba is confident that he will win, and considers the duel to be nothing more than a formality. Kaiba doesn't try to take the millenium puzzle because he isn't interested in gathering them, which is just as well because that would make things awkward with Yugi and Yami Yugi being separated.
Before the next duel, Marik goes to the medical bay to visit Joey, who is now conscious again and resting to gain his strength back. Marik hands over Ra and the millenium rod to Joey, and Joey briefly pretends to have been taken over by an evil spirit when he touches the rod as a joke. The commotion wakes up Odion, who notices Marik is back to his old self again. Ishizu joins her brothers as Marik tells Odion the story of how Joey defeated him, and the Ishtars have a happy tearful reunion. Joey feels a little awkward and asks if he should step out for a moment to let them have their moment, but Ishizu says that won't be necessary because he rescued Marik and has given the family a chance at a new beginning. The Ishtars thank Joey and tell him they will be forever in his debt.
The third place duel between Yugi and Marik takes place. Because it's just for fun and there are no stakes, Yami Yugi sits this one out and regular Yugi duels instead. Marik uses a variant on Strings' slime deck, but not focused on Slifer and building up the hand size. Yugi wins the duel, but they both have fun and Marik befriends Yugi and his friends for real this time, no Namu disguise.
The final duel takes place between Joey and Kaiba. At the climax of the duel, Kaiba summons both of his Egyptian Gods, expecting Joey to summon Ra so Kaiba can counter it with Slifer's ATK reduction effect, then destroy it with Obelisk. Joey gets his three Battle City monsters on the field and considers summoning Ra, but he realises Kaiba will be expecting that and tributes them to summon Gilford the Lightning instead, destroying the Gods and letting him attack for game, with Joey taking the opportunity to gloat a bit as he finally gets one over on Kaiba, who has spent years mocking and belittling him.
Losing the Battle City final to Joey of all people, after he'd set up this whole tournament to gain powerful cards and stroke his ego is too much for Kaiba and he has a full-on meltdown. He throws Obelisk at Joey's feet and storms off. Kaiba doesn't want anyone seeing him with tears in his eyes, not even Mokuba. Despite winning the tournament, Joey isn't quite as thrilled as he expected to be, and feels guilty for his earlier gloating, worried that he went too far. "I never thought I'd say this, but I feel bad for Kaiba." Joey can't simply give Obelisk back to Kaiba, because he would be far too proud to accept it or be pitied by anyone, so Joey comes up with a plan to give the card back while massaging Kaiba's ego. Later, as the airship is taking everyone home, Joey leaves Obelisk somewhere Kaiba will find it, then goes near Kaiba's quarters, and loudly acts as if he's lost Obelisk. Once Joey has left, Kaiba finds Obelisk and thinks to himself "A reckless fool like Wheeler can't be trusted with something as powerful as this. I'll take it back and defeat him with it! Watch out Wheeler, I will take back my title and my honour!" Afterwards, he smiles as he knows Joey didn't really lose the card, and recognizes deep down what really happened. Kaiba acknowledges that Wheeler isn't totally incompetent as a duelist, and decides to be a little nicer to him from now on - but only a little.
We can say that Joey learned the chant for the WDoR when Marik used it against him. And maybe he gained an affinity with the card when he survived its attack.
Ygioh theory time; Maybe Kazuki Takahashi originally plan for Joey to win but realize he needed Marik to survive to complete his character arc and show Yami the tattoo.
It would make the build up to Yugi vs Joey in battle city make sense instead of the the one we got.
I figured that since Joey has heard the Ancient Chant twice by that point, he could possibly have it memorized by his final duel.
Could make him summoning Ra a pretty intense moment even beyond using Insect Queen, Jinzo, and Legendary Fisherman to summon it. Like have Ishizu before the match warn him against trying to use it, thinking he might end up like Odion did for using the counterfeit version. Make it so he can't actually read it, but he was there when Marik recited the incantation so when pushed back against the wall by Yugi he goes for another gamble and tries to summon it. Maybe even have Yugi trying to convince him to not try summoning it, making it look like Ra's about to strike him down during it mid incantation. You know, lots of lightning, maybe a tornado or two starting up. Then a massive pillar of fire around him that screams, "Yeah, he's dead for trying that". And to everyone's surprise, it fades and you see Ra on Joey's side of the field. With the implication that it wasn't just him beating Marik that made Ra obey him. It was being completely fearless in the face of the threat of Ra smiting him that made Ra decide he was worthy of wielding it.
Kaiba would have made Ra Yellow the worst class at Duel Academy. Slifer Slackers --> Rotten Ras
Edit: 12:38 Great minds!
Somebody needs to make an AI voice of Joey doing Ra's summoning chant
I imagined it in my head.
The OG Chant (ancient Hieratic) or the 4K version
my too
Complete with the New York accent lmao😂😂
Don't steal voice actors' voices. Ever.
Joey vs Marik is and will always be my favorite duel of all Yugioh anime. It has everything. The tension, the pacing, the ingenuity. When I watched it for the first time I was so pissed that Marik won (even though by some stroke of luck he even almost lost against Mai... yup, Marik is that overconfident). Kaiba would be so mad, although I think his respect for Joey's dueling skills would increase enormously(and we would get a Ra Riffraff in GX instead of Slifer Slacker :D). The biggest reason I think that Joey deserved to win is that he is the only duelist who fought against Marik that withstood an attack from Ra (as far as I can recall from memory, Yugi evaded attack damage from Ra with spells and traps) and was still standing. But then Yugi would have been in Joey's shadow, cause he defeated the big bad. He would have completed his trial of Red Eyes and be worth of that card again. I wanted to see a Winged baby dragon of Ra evolving into a God by the effect of Time Wizard, or some other comical asspull.
But the biggest reason for it, even though I am speaking from the future, is cause we could have gotten a Brooklyn text version of the original Winged Dragon of Ra in the Legendary Collection 4: Joey's World(the one without the effect that's banned):
Da Wingd Dwagon O' Raaawh
Da spiritz sing of a powerful creature o'er all thats mystic. Nyeeeah
And we didn't get it, so sad 😢
The way I imagine it is that Joey stays standing just long enough to see Marik's life points hit zero as he's impaled by Gearfried's iron blade. The moment he's confirmed the winner, he collapses. Mokuba notices he isn't breathing, but just before he's taken out to be put in a medbay, Kaiba takes the Winged Dragon of Ra from Marik's duel disk and places it in Joey's hand, saying something along the lines of "A card like this belongs to a true duelist." as he finally acknowledges the person he looked down on most out of the competitors.
Then, as he walks away, a roar is heard. Ra reappears in Immortal Phoenix form and envelops Joey's body in divine flames. After all, what's the phoenix most known for, aside from coming back to life?
When the flames subside, Joey wakes up on his feet, the Egyptian God Card in his hand, and everyone around him staring in shock and relief.
Marik is the one who wakes up during the duel between Yugi and Kaiba, his darker half taken by the shadow game. When he realizes what happened, he thanks Joey for defeating his other self and apologizes profusely for the time he mind-controlled him into dueling his best friend to the death. The little he can offer to make up for it is to tell him all of the Winged Dragon of Ra's effects and the chant so he can actually use his new god card in his duel against Yugi in the finals. He'd also probably try to give him the Millennium Rod but Joey would turn that down very fast, saying to just give it to Yugi after the Tournament. Same with the Ring.
I think this overlooks Mai. Her being released early before she was as tortured as she wound up being would likely help reinforce her connections to her friends and reduce her trauma, which would matter for the waking the dragons arc.
Waking the dragons is filler. I.e, not canon.
Her spot in Waking the Dragons would probably be taken by Odion.
@@KaoruMzk Just because its filler doesn't make it not cannon. Its extraneous to the story but it doesn't mean it must be purged from the time line.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets That would actually be really fun, to bring the Ishtar family back now with unresolved darkness in their hearts in place of Mai.
@@thatpizzalesbian6984 I agree 100%. I think there is some merit to exploring how trauma makes people vulnerable to coercion, but Mai gets the short end of the stick so bad, and she is basically the only competent female duelist in the group.
As far as summoning Ra, I can imagine Yami Yugi coaching Joey through the summoning chant, out of the respect and friendship they have for each other. At the same time, Ra could acknowledge that Joey survived the full fury of his attack in addition to winning him from Marik, and respect Joey enough to let him play the card.
But I also wonder how much of Marik would survive the Shadow Game. There was still a fragment of him in Tea; would that have been swallowed by the shadows too. For that matter would the Shadow Game have taken Marik's body just like it did Yami Bakura when they dueled? Would that leave that fragment of Marik in Tea, at best?
I think during the Yugi vs Joey Finals, Yugi would play Exchange while Red Eyes is in his hand basically to "Give Red Eyes back l" to Joey during the duel, so Joey can be "at full power." Also neither of then use their God Cards.
The dynamic between Joey and Kaiba IS different in the original after Battle City. Examples include Kaiba taking the call during the Doma arc even knowing it was Joey, catching soulless joey when Tristan drops him when they are attacked by rats (interestingly, this is cut in the dub), and inviting him to the KC grand prix. He still has attitude toward him, sure, but the dynamic is undeniably different.
TBH I think it might be worth the research to do a video showing the evolution of the dynamic between Kaiba and Joey in the original Japanese. Kaiba used to call him "Uma no hone" (bone of a horse // someone not worth anything") then graduated him to "bonkotsu" (ordinary person) after watching him take his duel disk off before jumping to save Yugi in their duel to the death. Joey remains "bonkotsu" for the rest of the series, but internally, as stated in this video, Kaiba finally recognizes him as a true duelist after the duel with Marik.
Also, I think it's implied Joey wins the offscreen duel against Yugi after Battle City because he has Red Eyes back in the Doma arc. Original Japanese Joey wanted to beat Yugi to win it back and I don't think he would have had it other way (it was literally himswhole motivation, aside from Mai, which the dub went out of its way to conceal (relegating him to a sidekick instead). So in this alternate timeline I think Joey wins here too.
That wasn't what Joey said. He said he wouldn't take his Red-Eyes back until he proved himself as a true Duelist. There was nothing about Joey needing to beat Atem.
I have to say it, I'm LOVING this new Yu-Gi-Oh! What If series. More please!!
To be fair to Joey, Jaden did use the Winged Dragon of Ra in GX (probably in part due to the Supreme King's powers/Gentle Darkness inside him (and partly because Ra wanted to get back at that a-hole that used Mounf of the Bound Creator to chain it up)), it could be possible that Ra would just, yeah you can summon me with no restrictions, sure
Exactly I mean Joey a mortal with no Egypt connections SURVIVED RA'S ATTACK HEAD ON!!!! like hell yeah he could live
And he wouldn't stop shutting up about managing to summmon his dorm signature god to his group of friend.
And it was a FAKE Ra being used at that. Mound of Binding God was a way created for Francis/Franz to forcibly use it without being struck down by the real one...somehow...lol
That was a Fake Ra, not the real god. The Fake only had some of the real god's power.
I think Joey remembering the chant since he saw it would be a cool moment to show how much he has learnt
I think Marik surviving in a coma similar to Joey would've been interesting and they could've done a parallel of Joey and Marik trying to wake up from their comas surrounded by their respective loved ones. Maybe even change Joey's dream duel from the random kid into Marik/Yami Marik and Joey ends up being the person who allows Marik to overcome Yami Marik.
You know, that is actually a pretty interesting idea. Marik and Joey are slightly similar as far as their backgrounds are concerned. They both had abusive fathers who brought out some of their own worst tendencies, but Joey eventually recognized what he was becoming and changed his path, whereas Marik allowed the darkness to completely overwhelm him. He never really deals with this deep-set trauma in a healthy way, whereas Joey manages to dispel a good amount of it by being in the company of his loved ones.
Now I wish they had done a "dream duel" for something like you were describing.
I do love the potential idea of Joey at the very least beating Marik especially after the damn robbery he had to endure in that duel…
Also I would like to see a Duel Analysis on IV vs Nash/Shark. That duel was very close and tbh IV should’ve easily won the first duel but the second one is much more interesting and the fact that he really went first when his deck is like, built around fighting XYZ monsters and he went first 💀💀💀
Would like to see that too
I love that duel so much, I'd love a breakdown on it
I know Red Eyes Dragoon was only recently released, but it would have been pretty fun to see Yugi pulling that fusion with Dark Magician and Red Eyes because it would represent Joey’s bond with Yugi. Not to mention, it would have been a good callback to when Joey used Yugi’s Summoned Skull to fuse Black Skull Dragon.
I wasn’t sure about this video but you had some quite interesting follow ups to the scenario. Keep em comin please.
7:55 I think kaiba would still go about it like "me vs yugi were anticipated finals, if I'd won iwould've beaten joey as well", especially in the dub
This alternate universe video was awesome. Had Joey reached the final match, I believe the rest of the series would have him be in more meaningful fights, taking on tougher opponents and winning some battles instead of Yugi doing it- becoming almost a primary protagonist. Please do a "What if Ishizu beat Kaiba" next.
8:17 I always thought that could have been an interesting topic for yugi and joey to discuss prior to their 4 way duel. If yugi and joey agreed to both lose 1st, they would duel each other GUARANTEEING one of them would reach the final to defeat marik or kaiba. This gets briefly explored in kaiba's thoughts as he's in the 4 way duel, but his pride won't let him lose on purpose.
I'll be brutally honest, as cool as that would be for Joey to use Ra. I don't think he'd use it mainly because it wouldn't go well with his deck.
My reasoning behind this is that: 1.) To my knowledge, Joey doesn't have a way to bring out the Winged Dragon of Ra, or the three monsters to sacrifice out onto the field fast enough. The only way I could see him bringing out the Winged Dragon of Ra is by discarding it because of an effect, or by using Foolish Burial to send it to the graveyard and using Monster Reborn to bring it back later like Yami Marik always does. I mean Yugi has the magnet warriors and Face Knights, and Kaiba has his XYZ monsters as well as Soul Exchange, but Joey doesn't have any cards that lets summon multiple monsters at a time, and Scapegoat doesn't count in this situation because they can't be tribute summoned. There is that one spell card...I can't recall it's name sorry... that Joey had used during his duel against Yugi's Grandpa at the KC Grand Prix that lets him bring out all the Landstars, but I don't think he has that spell card or any of the other landstars in his deck at the time of battle city, just the swordsman.
2.) Half of Joey's spells and trap cards are gamble cards, and he doesn't have roll of fate in his deck either.
3.) Joey also already has Gilford The Lightning which can destroy all monsters by sacrificing the same number of monsters as the Winged Dragon of Ra does, and he doesn't have to pay life points for gilford's effect to destroy all monsters, but Ra requires him to pay 1000 life points to destroy just one monster. Joey also has a easier chance summon out Gilford than Ra because he has access to cards that support warrior type monsters.
Edit: I'm not saying that he couldn't have it in his deck as a back up plan, but the odds of him getting to be able to use it in a Duel aren't in his favor.
I see a little thing in the duel of the Zaizen´s vs AI. In the way the duel was write; the brothers could win if only:
- Akira activated "Marincess Decission" before attack with "Tindangle Hound" and summon "Tindangle Accute Cereberus" before any attack declaration.
- Akira attacked at the first place with both, "Tindangle Hound" or "Tindangle Accute Cerberus" but both on the field, then he has to attack "@Ignister Fire Phoenix" at the first place ussing the secondary effect of "Marincess Decission" (Pandor knew about Achichi and Fire Phoenix's combination of effects after their duel with AI.)
- Make AI triggers "Achichi @Ignister" effect to make the destruction of "@Ignister Fire phoenix" an effect destruction
- Use the GY effect of "Marincess Basilalima" to prevent a destruction and boost the monster that not attacked in that momment for 600.
- Attack AI for 600 more ATK and if not being defeated in that momment, the AI Lp´s would be that low that Blue Maiden could defeat him with burn in the last turn.
Obviously, if that was the case, AI could just pull of some random burn tech and win anyways, and i think if Akira don´t summon Accute Cereberus at first place is because he wanted to give to AI a second chance to stop the duel.
I could see both of them agreeing not to use God cards with how dangerous they are, how hesitant Yugi was to using Slipher against Bakura.
You don't necessarily need a tie to Egypt to control Ra, as Judai could control it in the filler duel from GX without needing to go through Mound of the Bound Creator. Though he is the reincarnation of the Supreme King so maybe that played into it? It wasn't a plot point at that time but could still have applied.
The way they portrayed it, seems that the supreme king power dormant in jaden wasn’t a factor, at most it was his tie to the spirits that is not exclusive to him like Chazz and Jessie, I think that Ra either after battle city or in general has respect for regular humans if they have a powerful enough will
I thibk that was more so the fact Jaden treats his monsters with respect and that Guy did not
imo Ra would accept and respect Joey thanks to his sheer will, determination and having survied its attacks.
I wouldn't call it filler being gx anime isn't base on anything.
That Ra was also fake.
I'm late to the party here, so there's a chance somebody already said this, but a few things I wanted to note regarding Joey being able to Summon Ra:
- Mai didn't know the chant, but she was the first of the Finalists to attempt to Summon Ra during the finals. And during that same Duel, Joey, Kaiba and Yugi all witnessed Marik saying the chant, and Kaiba began researching the chant the moment Marik revealed it was on the card. Considering Joey's investment in defeating Marik, Yugi and the Pharaoh both discovering their connections to the Gods, and Kaiba's newfound mutual respect for Joey (Kaiba did go out of his way to gift Yugi an extra card despite his resentment for losing Obelisk), I think it's pretty fair to assume Joey would've been able to recite the chant somehow.
- As a follow-up to the chant bit, though the concept of Duel Spirits wasn't really spelled out until GX, Duel Monsters still planted seeds both before and after the Battle City Finals regarding that the monsters and their spirits are real. Furthermore, in the two seasons of Duel Monsters that follow Battle City, Joey speaks to Duel Spirits directly and indirectly multiple times during Season 4, and in the ancient past of Season 5, they establish that only chosen individuals even know the names of the Egyptian Gods. Now obviously Atem knows the Gods by name due to his time in the "future", but because of how that statement was worded, the implication seems to be that the names of the Gods is unknown EXCEPT to those chosen by the Gods, implying they communicated with these chosen ones somehow, which is how they are able to Summon them. With all of this in mind, Ra itself would also be able to communicate with Joey, informing him of the chant (Blue-Eyes was also able to communicate with Kaiba). Not only that, but this particular method of communication would also allow him to know the updated TRUE chant (the chant differs between Marik and Atem when they Summon Ra).
- And lastly, though this does require foresight, if Jaden Yuki is worthy enough to wield the Winged Dragon of Ra, then Joey Wheeler DEFINITELY is as well. He's more than familiar with Shadow Magic, he got attacked by Ra twice and lived to tell about it, he defeated Ra's previous wielder in combat, and Joey would later go on to be chosen by one of the Legendary Dragons, which Kaiba famously said were comparable to the Gods. I have no doubts that Joey, despite having no ties to the ancient past, would've been deemed worthy enough to wield a God Card.
Here's a scenario I would have liked to have seen;
In the final season Yami Marik comes back and teams up with Zorc to stop Yami Yugi, and during a run in with Yugi tried to stop him from learning Yami's name. To buy his friends time and save Tristen, Joey challenges Yami Marika to a rematch to settle the score. This time however Marik doesn't hold back since he knows he was WAY too close before and Joey is more determined than ever to beat Marik (since it was Marik's actions that drove Mai to join Doma). Joey ultimately beats Marik in his most spectacular win in the series.
Meanwhile Kaiba duels Aknadin after Kisara fused her life-force to the former to save Priest Seto, thus redeeming Kaiba's lose to the millennium eye back in Duelist Kingdom.
Ultimately it would have given both Joey and Kaiba fitting final duels for the series since the ones they got were rather lacklustre and the honour of beating Atem has to go to Yugi.
I could also see Marik or Yami Marik trying to control Joey again from the shadow realm, since Marik had control of Joey before, in this hypothetical battle city finals duel against Yugi. Now I want a what if Kaiba beat Yugi in the semi-finals and then duel against Marik with Obelisk and Silfer. Could Kaiba have won?
This is the ending I would have liked to have seen. Joey deserves to win this
6:18 I can just hear the anger and frustration in Kaiba's here while also hearing him think 'The most powerful of the Egyptian God cards in the hands of *Wheeler* of all people. Nothing too bad to worry about: after I defeat Yugi in my duel with him, the winged dragon of Ra would be easy pickings.' with the most smug look on his face as he places it next to Joey's unconscious form as he leaves with a plan to defeat Yugi/Atem.
Amazing video, I could honestly see Joey beating Yugi and winning the Battle City. It would be funny to see Kaiba's reaction. Speaking of which, make a what if Kaiba won Battle City or best Yugi, that would be cool
I think Joey posthumously getting Ra would prompt Ra to do something about the whole dying/coma situation. It is, after all, an egyptian god card. Most interesting possible outcome as a result of this, I think would be Ra being able to bring Joey back but only at a great cost of some kind, deal with the devil style. Joey would have to agree to some shady terms that could be resolved later and conveniently prevent revival from becoming an easy plot device going forward. Similarly, part of this deal could include Ra giving Joey the means to summon him, or making the summoning conditions easier for the non-egyptian wielder as a result of having earned the card.
I feel like good marik would survive since evil marik pushed him down and locked him away in his mind. While yugi and atem dueled together as one. Also, i feel joey would be able to use ra because after surviving an attack from ra, ra would find him a worthy duelist. Also i see good marik telling him the effects and summoning chant at the last minute right before duels yugi. Joey would ask why and marik would reply because ra finds you worthy. Which would give joey a big confidence boost. Then finally joey would lose because its yugi and yugi doesn't lose, but joey would get very close and yugi would have to pull a big heart of the cards bs moment to win.
That isn't how the God cards work. Only those with connection to Egypt and the Millennium Items can used the God cards. It isn't about being 'worthy' like the Elder Wand from Harry Potter.
The CORRECT ending.
The biggest Robery in dueling HISTORY my man.
Kaiba in the Grand Prix- Anyone who is late for registration will be disqualified, Mokuba, make sure that Wheeler is early.