My go to weapon for home defense is a, TBP-12 a semi-automatic, 12-gauge Bullpup shotgun paid $219+tax, with an overall length of 29" it's perfect for close-in home defense. I added a green laser/ flashlight foregrip, an extra five round and 2 ten round magazines. The furthest in house shooting I would have to do would be 35 ft or less. I keep it loaded with number 6 heavy bird shot and a full choke. I found that combination at those distances will put a dinner plate size hole through any drywall or hollow interior door. I broke it in with 100 rounds of 00 Buckshot. The only problems I had were operator induced. I loaded shells incorrectly in the magazine. I loaded the base rim of the upper shell incorrectly behind the rim of the lower shell. I have about 300 rounds now, mostly heavy birdshot, problem free.
@@TheMaineiacguy Well, I guess you know not to show up and try to enter at my house unannounced 😉 I forgot to mention that I'm almost 70 and I don't have any problem with the recoil. I like shooting this shotgun. The foregrip really helps. The flashlight and Laser are just pluses. Just for fun and outdoor shooting, I mounted an inexpensive red/green reflex sight on the top rail. I hope to God I never have to use it in home defense. Repair & redecorating would be very expensive. Take Care and stay safe. DocW
Also bought and love this shotgun. Great for close quarters and home defense. Also had no misfires or jams. Great, fun to shoot addition to any collection
I have the Dickinson ranger bullpup 12 gauge. Love it. I locked the bolt back for a month and there was no break in. It just worked. My wife and son are getting me a tokarev 12 gauge bullpup for my birthday. So i will have two bullpups. Love these things. Nothing better for home defense.
That's awesome! This is the first Bullpup I have ever personally owned at home and I actually love it. Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day my friend.
Mine had an ar style carry handle that I removed and i installed flip up sights and a pinty red dot sight. The pinty red dot was cheap but holds up to 12 gauge. Then i put a two point sling on it. I put slings on all my long guns. The last thing I did was I put a red dot on the side pic rail. Man the thing is a beast. Love it. Have a good day and stay safe.
FYI the 5rd factory mag can be used to fix the promag 20rd drums shortcomings. If anyone has shot the 20rd drum you know it wasn’t designed well. The factory 5 rounder will drop the drum far enough down for you to shoot it unhindered. You will also have to add 2 more dummy rounds inside the promag.
I have this same exact gun and optic package. Love the gun and Sightmark. Unfortunately, I started having a problem with the charging handle randomly unlocking under recoil at about the 500 round mark of it's life cycle. It will unlock during a shot even though I have verified the bolt is completely in battery and both locking tabs of the charging handle are engaged. Sometimes it will slide all the way back it's full length of travel and hit my nose. Although it doesn't hit hard enough to hurt or injure my nose. I'm guessing I need to replace the spring inside the charging handle. You're not lying about the ATI's ability to cycle any kind of load you put in it. Mine runs the cheapest low powered bird shot shells just as good as the high brass shells. Nice review!
I’ve been looking for a bullpup. My biggest concern is it’s ability to shoot lighter loads. Some brands require a minimum 1400 fps load to cycle. I want #4 Buck for the house and most loads that I can find are 1350 fps. I think I found the winner. Gun store by my house has ‘em in stock $375 out the door.
Hey that's awesome! Since I put the video up I've had a couple people ask where to find them and they seem to be hard to find sometimes so pretty sweet that you've got a bead on one, pardon the pun. I've still got this one and it's going super strong for me I've put literally hundreds more rounds through it since the video just a super fun shotgun and the compact nature of it and ability for fast reloads in my opinion makes it great for home defense. Especially if you hang a lighted reticle sight of some type and a Tac light on it for things may go bump in the night or as is the case sometimes up here when you've got an unwanted critter outside getting into the trash or something in the wee hours of the morning.
I just got the 20 ga bulldog, and it was out of box failure to fire 😢. Cleaned twice, still no fire. The warranty is 4 - 6 weeks out for ATI. I'm so bummed out. Can't recommend! No gun and no $😔
Great review. I've been having trouble finding any direct comparisons with the ATI Bulldog and the Centurion BP-12 (by Century Arms). Bulldog seems to be top contender for me as it's got more documentation and reviews of being decent. CA's BP-12 seems decently made, but don't see as many reviews on it.
I was kind of dancing back and forth between a couple of different bullpups. As you say though none of them seemed to have as many positive reviews as these ATI bulldogs as far as being able to run any kind of ammo without a hiccup. And I can honestly say it is still going strong I absolutely love this shotgun.
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Nice video!! i figure you prefer 12 gauge over 20 right? Also heard ATI beats Panzer and the other bullpup brands. You have any issues with your ATI yet? Thank you
She is still running great despite the fact that I have had easily over a couple thousand rounds through it at this point. And yeah 12 Gauge is nice to be honest I mean I think a 20 wouldn't be bad either. Truth is I already had a double barrel side by side 20 from Stoeger so 12 was just a better way to go for me.
Thank you so much for your honest review. I just bought one of those. I’m planning to take it to the range this weekend. I’m wondering if you have any advice on sighting selection that best suites this gun in a home defense situation?
Sure thing in my opinion to answer your first question it's best to zero it at 20 or 25 yards using slugs. That will give you your most precise point of aim as a reference then you can follow up with birdshot and Buckshot to kind of see how it patterns as mentioned in the video you definitely don't want to use the full choke since you won't get the accuracy with the slugs or the buck out of a full choke. And in my opinion the best home defense load for a shotgun is buckshot. Not a ton of over penetration and yet gives you a wider dispersion of shot when your adrenaline is through the roof and something goes bump in the night. I mean let's face it most folks don't spend hundreds of hours training and the reality is those kinds of crisis situations rarely happen when you are alert awake and ready to go. More like when you're half awake or awakened from a dead sleep. And as someone wise once said one will never rise to the occasion but will always default to their lowest level of training. While I definitely Advocate a lot of time at the range and a lot of time training the reality is Buckshot gives you that little bit of close enough is close enough so to say. Basically allows you to get on target quickly and put shots where they belong to devastating effect. Honestly in my opinion these shotguns lend themselves perfectly to running with a tac light, some sort of a red dot or etched reticle, something lighted, and Buckshot or slugs for home defense but when seconds count and you can't afford to miss because lives depend on it I think it's best to give the widest margin of error while still giving a greater chance at success and Buckshot is the ticket for that. On a much lighter note congratulations on the purchase my friend and may you always be ready for the unthinkable but never need to answer that particular call. This is a super fun shotgun and I bet you giggle the first couple times you squeeze that trigger. Hopefully this information helps, thank you so much for watching our video and checking out our Channel. Take care!
@@TheMaineiacguy Solid response. I appreciate the information. Been looking into a semi-automatic shotgun for home defense. There's a lot of very cheap bullpups on the market that seem ideal but there's always the sneaking suspicion of, to what extent, I'm defeating the purpose by getting something unreliable at half the cost.
@@bignasty389 I definitely get what you are saying there. For many, budget is a huge obstacle though and running a budget shotgun is lightyears ahead of the old family .22. And the old .22 is way ahead of the kitchen knife if you follow my thought process there. In all honesty this ATI Bulldog is still running flawlessly for me and hasn't had a single hiccup. In full disclosure though, I personally run a Stoeger double defense side by side shotgun with a Sig Romeo 5 Predator optic and a streamlight polytac mounted under the barrels as well as a Sig P226 Legion 9mm (Tritium X ray 3 night sights) and a Streamlight TLR 1 HL. But as I say it really just depends on what peoples acceptable budget and personal needs are. Thanks for the comment, I always enjoy chatting with folks. Be well my friend and have an amazing day.
Man... I got bummed for a second. When you were showing the box of chokes I thought I might have gotten jipped because I didn't remember seeing it but, I didn't. Mine doesn't have the sticker on the top like yours, it's just a black box.
Great practical video and great shooting! What choke did you have in it for this video? --- and do you know what pattern chokes (remchoke, browning, etc.) it takes?
Pretty sure I had the equivalent to the modified choke when we filmed this video.(since they don't actually label the ones that come with it but they DO use the notches in the end of the tubes so they seem to coincide with the traditional way of identifying chokes via notches in the end of the tube). I may have gone over that in the video but I don't recall. That is usually a really good all around choke when use things like buck and slugs. Thanks so much for watching and for the comment. Happy shooting.
@@TheMaineiacguy Thanks for responding. You did say in the video but do you know what choke thread it matches with--- like remchoke or browning or whatever-? Out of curiosity--- what was your hold over when shooting the slug into silhoutte at 90 or whatever yards? At 40?
@USSBARBEL I don't remember the aftermarket extended magazine that I bought but it may have been a Panzer. Other than that I just stuck with ordering a second ATI Bulldog 5 rounder like an actual ATI 5 round magazine. So far the two ATI brand name magazines have been flawless with all different types of shotshells in many different weather conditions. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the Bulldog demo. I may finally pull the trigger on this purchase. Was that your kid's birthday bowling pin, and did you get any flack for blasting the heck out of it? My daughter has a couple from when she was little. I think they'll make excellent targets. I just need to convince her that childhood memorabilia is for sissies.
They really DO make super fun targets, and that one I actually bought for like 2 bucks at a local Goodwill thrift store where I regularly look for fun targets lol. Childhood memories are intact. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. Have a great day my friend.
Those are the factory magazines for the shotgun they just come that way. And that barrel shroud is also that way from the factory it just threads on over the barrel.
Yes and it is loose enough that it handles them just fine. You of course want to use a foster style slug rather than a sabot or rifled slug for it to function as it should.
@@77jbyrd I don't have a link but it is a Sightmark M spec. Really solid sight for the price in my opinion and available through Amazon among other places.
Great video, I just got mine. Any recommendations or extra info? I would greatly appreciate it. I heard you talk about the chokes, and I am really interested in an explanation of those for I am new to the shotgun world.
Depending on what you're using it for the improved cylinder or modified would suit you for most ethical applications because a good medium joke will handle buckshot and slugs just fine as well as steel shot if that's what you have available to you which none of those things fire great through a full choke just due to being constricted and it generally puts stress on the barrel as well as your accuracy will suffer. Basically the full choke is good if you're using a finer shot like number four number six number eight and so on so basically if you are hunting birds or squirrels that full choke will constrict the shot to give you a bit more range. Thanks so much for checking out the video and our Channel my friend. I can't really think of anything else to bring up as I tried to go over about everything I could think of in the video. This shotgun is still going strong and actually is one of my favorites. Happy shooting and may you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine congratulations on the new smokepole!
@@TheMaineiacguy Thanks for replying. Its really home defense for me. I like to shoot but right now I’m not at the range so much. Decent accuracy at about 80-100 yard’s really is what im hoping for, but hey its a shotgun. Im headed to the gunshow this weekend so i hope you see this before. What type of rounds do you like and or recommend. Want to try both slug and buckshot?
@@rscott242003 for home defense I really think that it is tough to beat buck shot but that is just my personal opinion but if you are looking to get out to that 80 yard mark I think slugs are more fitting. Definitely for in home distances which are often feet not yards and require a fast shot that may not allow for timed precision, buck is definitely the way to go for my money. Have a great time at the gunshow and thank you so much for stopping by the channel my friend. America on man.
@rscott242003 this is a smoothbore shotgun so it really likes regular shot shells and foster or Brenneke type slugs which are fairly common. Really you want to stay away from sabot slugs etc that are really intended for rifled shotguns. They won't hurt anything in that shotgun but they are super expensive and due to it not having rifling will be horribly inaccurate so definitely better to stick to the classics.
Does it jam or have any problems? I've seen a few people say they got a defective gun, also the low price kinda scares me especially since it's a mag fed semi auto 12 gauge. Should I get it or spend more for the iwi?
To be honest I haven't heard a whole lot of bad things about the ATI Bulldogs and my own personal experience is I haven't experienced a single Jam or misfeed no matter what shot shells I'm using. I've Got friends with several other name brands to include Panzer and a lot of the other ones that look the same all of whom have experienced some issues depending on the shells they are using but oddly enough, these ATI Bulldogs just seem to run. The only issue I experienced is when I tried to run an extended magazine beyond the standard 5 round. But as long as I'm using the standard five round mags it has always run flawlessly. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching and have an amazing day. These Bullpup shotguns really are a blast pun intended but seriously I'm sure you'll enjoy yours as well.
@gstevens5108 as of the filming of the video the one you see is a Sightmark Ultra Shot Mspec. Since then I have switched out to a Sig Romeo 5 predator. The mspec was an excellent optic and I'm actually running that on another shotgun now, I just felt like the Romeo fit this shotgun a little better. So in short yes both Optics that I have run on this shotgun cost about the same or more than the shotgun itself but I have found that the shotgun runs very reliably I can however almost guarantee that a crap optic is Almost sure not to survive long getting thrashed around on a shotgun like this.
I asked about them down here in Clearwater, basically I was told to order them online and have it shipped to your local gun shop. Gun shop will charge you a reasonable transfer fee for paperwork and background check. Whoever the deal is online will do whatever is required to go through the gun shop. Should be pretty standard for any gun shop. Classic firearms site ahs them for $325. I've had my eye on one for a while but can't make up my mind between that and the TBP 12.
I just checked and they are definitely available at a few online distributors . Unfortunately due to CZcams regulations I can't direct people exactly where to purchase things because it violates the rules and could get the channel shut down . But I checked two of the Distributors that I often use and they are in stock in both places, pretty big national online distributors. My son has been telling me I have to get a Patreon up and going to be able to put product links and things like that there I am definitely going to have to do that at some point in the near future it's just super frustrating being limited as to what I can put out here on the platform directly. I absolutely love making CZcams videos. It's a ton of fun for my son and I to put them together, definitely sometimes pretty limiting for firearms content creators, though, with all the rules. America on my friend I'm sure you'll get your hands on a Bulldog and when you do hopefully you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. Pretty typical fee for most gun shops is to charge a 25 or $50 transfer fee and other than that a lot of the Distributors you can literally just purchase directly from them and have it shipped to the FFL and that is where your background check is done for which you pay the $25 or 50 bucks at least that's how it works up here in Maine.
I actually ran into a little trouble when I was using a 10-round magazine. I think it was from Panzer. So after that I kind of just figured I would stick with the ones that work and bought a couple of the ATI mags. I have heard mixed reviews where a few people were able to make other mags work though. As for me, I just decided to keep it simple.
@@TheMaineiacguy Thank you. I was just wondering because I don't really like the way one end of the ATI mags are bigger in order to fit under the front of the gun.
Due to CZcams's policies, I can't really put links because it's gun related. However, I can't say if memory serves I purchased both of those things right on Amazon. The foregrip is just a Magpul angled foregrip, and the site is a Sightmark. I hope this helps.
No worries, glad to help. We will eventually get a Patreon up and running to be able to get info like that and maybe even discounted product links up for folks. Have an awesome day.@@user-qm7ff4gn8s
I think I saw one floating around at some point. Unfortunately, it's against CZcams policy to show disassembly of a firearm, so I can't do it on this platform. My son has been encouraging me for quite some time to get a patreon started to create another platform where I can put content like that up. Thanks for watching, and I'm so very sorry I can't be of more help to you on this.
@@TheMaineiacguy It is nothing new. CZcams has a video monopoly just like standard oil had a kerosene monopoly. Choice makes companies responsive, and nothing else does.
Absolutely. As I said not really recommended for a full choke because your accuracy goes all to crap but for a modified or an improved cylinder, absolutely.
the tighter the group, the longer the range. I usually find a modified to be a good compromise for most things though. But if you are say hunting turkeys at a longer range a full or super full choke will keep you on target for a much longer range but at the expense of REALLY tightening your group at close range which isn't ideal at close range. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
@nathanielwright1493 like I said if I’m trying to hit you with a shotgun or bird turkey hunting I don’t want a right group because I’m trying to hit you sounds like you need a rifle
Great review well done. Good to see a fellow law abiding AMERICAN out enjoying freedom and 2nd amendment rights. GO USA! WE STILL # 1
@@user-ex4rd7hv4m America on my friend!
You answered every question I had about this bulldog. I will watch you a lot.
Thanks so much! I love hearing from folks. Super glad I could help, and welcome to the channel.
My go to weapon for home defense is a, TBP-12 a semi-automatic, 12-gauge Bullpup shotgun paid $219+tax, with an overall length of 29" it's perfect for close-in home defense. I added a green laser/ flashlight foregrip, an extra five round and 2 ten round magazines. The furthest in house shooting I would have to do would be 35 ft or less.
I keep it loaded with number 6 heavy bird shot and a full choke. I found that combination at those distances will put a dinner plate size hole through any drywall or hollow interior door.
I broke it in with 100 rounds of 00 Buckshot.
The only problems I had were operator induced. I loaded shells incorrectly in the magazine. I loaded the base rim of the upper shell incorrectly behind the rim of the lower shell. I have about 300 rounds now, mostly heavy birdshot, problem free.
That's something I wouldn't want to run into on a dark night if I were up to no good. Sounds like a pretty potent combo. I like the green laser idea.
@@TheMaineiacguy
Well, I guess you know not to show up and try to enter at my house unannounced 😉
I forgot to mention that I'm almost 70 and I don't have any problem with the recoil. I like shooting this shotgun. The foregrip really helps.
The flashlight and Laser are just pluses. Just for fun and outdoor shooting, I mounted an inexpensive red/green reflex sight on the top rail.
I hope to God I never have to use it in home defense. Repair & redecorating would be very expensive.
Take Care and stay safe.
DocW
Great job. So glad to see guns AFTER then have been lubed & checked out.
Thanks for an honest review of something you've used for more than a day or two!!
Bought an SRM 1216. Absolutely my go to shotgun! I have been watching this ATI. It is my next shotgun purchase.
Straightforward, no bs. Review. Good stuff man, think I might snag one of these
Thank you for the comprehensive testing.I thought about buying one.No question i am going to now.
Awesome! Hopefully you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. And thank you for stopping by the channel! Have a great week my friend.
Hey man, thank you very much, buddy. I am about to purchase one also and I wanted to do my research and I think you did it for me. Thanks 👍🏾
Also bought and love this shotgun. Great for close quarters and home defense. Also had no misfires or jams. Great, fun to shoot addition to any collection
I have the Dickinson ranger bullpup 12 gauge. Love it. I locked the bolt back for a month and there was no break in. It just worked. My wife and son are getting me a tokarev 12 gauge bullpup for my birthday. So i will have two bullpups. Love these things. Nothing better for home defense.
That's awesome! This is the first Bullpup I have ever personally owned at home and I actually love it. Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day my friend.
Mine had an ar style carry handle that I removed and i installed flip up sights and a pinty red dot sight. The pinty red dot was cheap but holds up to 12 gauge. Then i put a two point sling on it. I put slings on all my long guns. The last thing I did was I put a red dot on the side pic rail. Man the thing is a beast. Love it. Have a good day and stay safe.
Well I didn't get the tokarev. I got the century arms centurion. Still a bad boy. Love it.
Love the ati bulldog great shotgun love to see more .Dennis
Nice, comprehensive review - thanks for the info, and keep it up!
Very detailed video brother. Kudos!
Great vid man your videos are very well put together and are fun!
Thanks so much!
FYI the 5rd factory mag can be used to fix the promag 20rd drums shortcomings.
If anyone has shot the 20rd drum you know it wasn’t designed well. The factory 5 rounder will drop the drum far enough down for you to shoot it unhindered.
You will also have to add 2 more dummy rounds inside the promag.
I have a 20 round mag but its not promag. They are junk. I wouldn't give my dog a promag for a chew toy.
Love mine. Never, and I mean never a misfire or a jam or hang up. Best BANG for the buck.
What specific ammo are you running through it?
Live this gun.
I have the Hastan bulltac 12 gauge has been solid performer pump action. they make a SA version it a blast to shoot great home D.
Love the shotgun when it came out.Bought three of them love them
Dang! Well, if it's worth doin.... 😂
I have this same exact gun and optic package. Love the gun and Sightmark. Unfortunately, I started having a problem with the charging handle randomly unlocking under recoil at about the 500 round mark of it's life cycle. It will unlock during a shot even though I have verified the bolt is completely in battery and both locking tabs of the charging handle are engaged. Sometimes it will slide all the way back it's full length of travel and hit my nose. Although it doesn't hit hard enough to hurt or injure my nose. I'm guessing I need to replace the spring inside the charging handle. You're not lying about the ATI's ability to cycle any kind of load you put in it. Mine runs the cheapest low powered bird shot shells just as good as the high brass shells. Nice review!
Oh man, that's a bummer about the charging handle issue. Be sure to post what you end up doing to fix it if you don't mind.
I’ve been looking for a bullpup. My biggest concern is it’s ability to shoot lighter loads. Some brands require a minimum 1400 fps load to cycle. I want #4 Buck for the house and most loads that I can find are 1350 fps. I think I found the winner. Gun store by my house has ‘em in stock $375 out the door.
Hey that's awesome! Since I put the video up I've had a couple people ask where to find them and they seem to be hard to find sometimes so pretty sweet that you've got a bead on one, pardon the pun. I've still got this one and it's going super strong for me I've put literally hundreds more rounds through it since the video just a super fun shotgun and the compact nature of it and ability for fast reloads in my opinion makes it great for home defense. Especially if you hang a lighted reticle sight of some type and a Tac light on it for things may go bump in the night or as is the case sometimes up here when you've got an unwanted critter outside getting into the trash or something in the wee hours of the morning.
Preciate this video I’m sold on it. Good ballistics n price !
I just got the 20 ga bulldog, and it was out of box failure to fire 😢. Cleaned twice, still no fire. The warranty is 4 - 6 weeks out for ATI.
I'm so bummed out.
Can't recommend!
No gun and no $😔
Great review. I've been having trouble finding any direct comparisons with the ATI Bulldog and the Centurion BP-12 (by Century Arms). Bulldog seems to be top contender for me as it's got more documentation and reviews of being decent. CA's BP-12 seems decently made, but don't see as many reviews on it.
I was kind of dancing back and forth between a couple of different bullpups. As you say though none of them seemed to have as many positive reviews as these ATI bulldogs as far as being able to run any kind of ammo without a hiccup. And I can honestly say it is still going strong I absolutely love this shotgun.
What the hell was that track at the beginning?!!!
First video I watched loved it but can you make a video testing the accuracy of different assault riffles
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I love my 12ga ati bulldog bullpup i take it out with me in the woods on long hikes in case of bear
All good except for wasting the pineapple! That would have made some good smoothies!
I loved the first one I bought so much I went and got a second one. But they're not this brand. I have the Dickinson ranger and the century centurion.
Nice video!! i figure you prefer 12 gauge over 20 right? Also heard ATI beats Panzer and the other bullpup brands. You have any issues with your ATI yet? Thank you
She is still running great despite the fact that I have had easily over a couple thousand rounds through it at this point. And yeah 12 Gauge is nice to be honest I mean I think a 20 wouldn't be bad either. Truth is I already had a double barrel side by side 20 from Stoeger so 12 was just a better way to go for me.
Thank you so much for your honest review. I just bought one of those. I’m planning to take it to the range this weekend. I’m wondering if you have any advice on sighting
selection that best suites this gun in a home defense situation?
Sure thing in my opinion to answer your first question it's best to zero it at 20 or 25 yards using slugs. That will give you your most precise point of aim as a reference then you can follow up with birdshot and Buckshot to kind of see how it patterns as mentioned in the video you definitely don't want to use the full choke since you won't get the accuracy with the slugs or the buck out of a full choke. And in my opinion the best home defense load for a shotgun is buckshot. Not a ton of over penetration and yet gives you a wider dispersion of shot when your adrenaline is through the roof and something goes bump in the night. I mean let's face it most folks don't spend hundreds of hours training and the reality is those kinds of crisis situations rarely happen when you are alert awake and ready to go. More like when you're half awake or awakened from a dead sleep. And as someone wise once said one will never rise to the occasion but will always default to their lowest level of training. While I definitely Advocate a lot of time at the range and a lot of time training the reality is Buckshot gives you that little bit of close enough is close enough so to say. Basically allows you to get on target quickly and put shots where they belong to devastating effect. Honestly in my opinion these shotguns lend themselves perfectly to running with a tac light, some sort of a red dot or etched reticle, something lighted, and Buckshot or slugs for home defense but when seconds count and you can't afford to miss because lives depend on it I think it's best to give the widest margin of error while still giving a greater chance at success and Buckshot is the ticket for that. On a much lighter note congratulations on the purchase my friend and may you always be ready for the unthinkable but never need to answer that particular call. This is a super fun shotgun and I bet you giggle the first couple times you squeeze that trigger. Hopefully this information helps, thank you so much for watching our video and checking out our Channel. Take care!
@@TheMaineiacguy Solid response. I appreciate the information. Been looking into a semi-automatic shotgun for home defense. There's a lot of very cheap bullpups on the market that seem ideal but there's always the sneaking suspicion of, to what extent, I'm defeating the purpose by getting something unreliable at half the cost.
@@bignasty389 I definitely get what you are saying there. For many, budget is a huge obstacle though and running a budget shotgun is lightyears ahead of the old family .22. And the old .22 is way ahead of the kitchen knife if you follow my thought process there. In all honesty this ATI Bulldog is still running flawlessly for me and hasn't had a single hiccup. In full disclosure though, I personally run a Stoeger double defense side by side shotgun with a Sig Romeo 5 Predator optic and a streamlight polytac mounted under the barrels as well as a Sig P226 Legion 9mm (Tritium X ray 3 night sights) and a Streamlight TLR 1 HL. But as I say it really just depends on what peoples acceptable budget and personal needs are. Thanks for the comment, I always enjoy chatting with folks. Be well my friend and have an amazing day.
Man... I got bummed for a second. When you were showing the box of chokes I thought I might have gotten jipped because I didn't remember seeing it but, I didn't. Mine doesn't have the sticker on the top like yours, it's just a black box.
Glad you spotted it!
@@TheMaineiacguy Totally! And it turns out the sticker is on the inside under the cover. 👍
Seen a lot of malfunctions from videos regarding this weapon.
Great practical video and great shooting!
What choke did you have in it for this video?
--- and do you know what pattern chokes (remchoke, browning, etc.) it takes?
Pretty sure I had the equivalent to the modified choke when we filmed this video.(since they don't actually label the ones that come with it but they DO use the notches in the end of the tubes so they seem to coincide with the traditional way of identifying chokes via notches in the end of the tube). I may have gone over that in the video but I don't recall. That is usually a really good all around choke when use things like buck and slugs. Thanks so much for watching and for the comment. Happy shooting.
@@TheMaineiacguy
Thanks for responding.
You did say in the video but do you know what choke thread it matches with--- like remchoke or browning or whatever-?
Out of curiosity--- what was your hold over when shooting the slug into silhoutte at 90 or whatever yards?
At 40?
I actually don't, I just used the three it comes with to be on the safe side.
Good review... U have any problems with jams or misfeeding?
Only with the extended aftermarket mag but with the standard mags, not one problem and I have probably 800 rounds through it at this point.
That's great feedback, @@TheMaineiacguy. Any thoughts on quality aftermarket mags? Or, mind sharing what you purchased so we can avoid?
@USSBARBEL I don't remember the aftermarket extended magazine that I bought but it may have been a Panzer. Other than that I just stuck with ordering a second ATI Bulldog 5 rounder like an actual ATI 5 round magazine. So far the two ATI brand name magazines have been flawless with all different types of shotshells in many different weather conditions. Hope this helps.
Immensely, @@TheMaineiacguy . Looking at one on base out here at Luke AFB in AZ. Going for $380, I beleive.
Thanks for the Bulldog demo. I may finally pull the trigger on this purchase.
Was that your kid's birthday bowling pin, and did you get any flack for blasting the heck out of it?
My daughter has a couple from when she was little. I think they'll make excellent targets. I just need to convince her that childhood memorabilia is for sissies.
They really DO make super fun targets, and that one I actually bought for like 2 bucks at a local Goodwill thrift store where I regularly look for fun targets lol. Childhood memories are intact. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. Have a great day my friend.
Dam that pineapple could have been served on a pizza, what a shame.
Where did you get the Magazine slip on handles ? Also was the barrel cover (fake suppressor) included with the gun ?
Those are the factory magazines for the shotgun they just come that way. And that barrel shroud is also that way from the factory it just threads on over the barrel.
Have you used modified choke with slugs?
Thanks for a great video. Nice gun!
Yes and it is loose enough that it handles them just fine. You of course want to use a foster style slug rather than a sabot or rifled slug for it to function as it should.
Do you have a link for the optic your using for the Bulldog? Great video. I love mine BD 12g
@@77jbyrd I don't have a link but it is a Sightmark M spec. Really solid sight for the price in my opinion and available through Amazon among other places.
Great video, I just got mine. Any recommendations or extra info? I would greatly appreciate it. I heard you talk about the chokes, and I am really interested in an explanation of those for I am new to the shotgun world.
Depending on what you're using it for the improved cylinder or modified would suit you for most ethical applications because a good medium joke will handle buckshot and slugs just fine as well as steel shot if that's what you have available to you which none of those things fire great through a full choke just due to being constricted and it generally puts stress on the barrel as well as your accuracy will suffer. Basically the full choke is good if you're using a finer shot like number four number six number eight and so on so basically if you are hunting birds or squirrels that full choke will constrict the shot to give you a bit more range. Thanks so much for checking out the video and our Channel my friend. I can't really think of anything else to bring up as I tried to go over about everything I could think of in the video. This shotgun is still going strong and actually is one of my favorites. Happy shooting and may you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine congratulations on the new smokepole!
@@TheMaineiacguy Thanks for replying. Its really home defense for me. I like to shoot but right now I’m not at the range so much. Decent accuracy at about 80-100 yard’s really is what im hoping for, but hey its a shotgun. Im headed to the gunshow this weekend so i hope you see this before. What type of rounds do you like and or recommend. Want to try both slug and buckshot?
@@rscott242003 for home defense I really think that it is tough to beat buck shot but that is just my personal opinion but if you are looking to get out to that 80 yard mark I think slugs are more fitting. Definitely for in home distances which are often feet not yards and require a fast shot that may not allow for timed precision, buck is definitely the way to go for my money. Have a great time at the gunshow and thank you so much for stopping by the channel my friend. America on man.
@@TheMaineiacguy was wondering if you could tell me if it needs rifled cartridges or not? Sorry if I’m being annoying.
@rscott242003 this is a smoothbore shotgun so it really likes regular shot shells and foster or Brenneke type slugs which are fairly common. Really you want to stay away from sabot slugs etc that are really intended for rifled shotguns. They won't hurt anything in that shotgun but they are super expensive and due to it not having rifling will be horribly inaccurate so definitely better to stick to the classics.
Most states u have to have 3 rd mags like my state for hunting
Hey bud how is the bulldog holding up?
She's still going strong.
Does it jam or have any problems? I've seen a few people say they got a defective gun, also the low price kinda scares me especially since it's a mag fed semi auto 12 gauge. Should I get it or spend more for the iwi?
To be honest I haven't heard a whole lot of bad things about the ATI Bulldogs and my own personal experience is I haven't experienced a single Jam or misfeed no matter what shot shells I'm using. I've Got friends with several other name brands to include Panzer and a lot of the other ones that look the same all of whom have experienced some issues depending on the shells they are using but oddly enough, these ATI Bulldogs just seem to run. The only issue I experienced is when I tried to run an extended magazine beyond the standard 5 round. But as long as I'm using the standard five round mags it has always run flawlessly. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching and have an amazing day. These Bullpup shotguns really are a blast pun intended but seriously I'm sure you'll enjoy yours as well.
My buddy has one, he had to break it in like a wild horse and worked it like an unwanted step child without any issues.
What sight are you running on this bulldog?
@gstevens5108 as of the filming of the video the one you see is a Sightmark Ultra Shot Mspec. Since then I have switched out to a Sig Romeo 5 predator. The mspec was an excellent optic and I'm actually running that on another shotgun now, I just felt like the Romeo fit this shotgun a little better. So in short yes both Optics that I have run on this shotgun cost about the same or more than the shotgun itself but I have found that the shotgun runs very reliably I can however almost guarantee that a crap optic is Almost sure not to survive long getting thrashed around on a shotgun like this.
Very polite!
Where i can find it? Im in Jacksonville FL, I ask in the gun shop but they don’t know about the Bulldog, I wanted for my house
I asked about them down here in Clearwater, basically I was told to order them online and have it shipped to your local gun shop. Gun shop will charge you a reasonable transfer fee for paperwork and background check. Whoever the deal is online will do whatever is required to go through the gun shop. Should be pretty standard for any gun shop. Classic firearms site ahs them for $325. I've had my eye on one for a while but can't make up my mind between that and the TBP 12.
I just checked and they are definitely available at a few online distributors . Unfortunately due to CZcams regulations I can't direct people exactly where to purchase things because it violates the rules and could get the channel shut down . But I checked two of the Distributors that I often use and they are in stock in both places, pretty big national online distributors. My son has been telling me I have to get a Patreon up and going to be able to put product links and things like that there I am definitely going to have to do that at some point in the near future it's just super frustrating being limited as to what I can put out here on the platform directly. I absolutely love making CZcams videos. It's a ton of fun for my son and I to put them together, definitely sometimes pretty limiting for firearms content creators, though, with all the rules. America on my friend I'm sure you'll get your hands on a Bulldog and when you do hopefully you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. Pretty typical fee for most gun shops is to charge a 25 or $50 transfer fee and other than that a lot of the Distributors you can literally just purchase directly from them and have it shipped to the FFL and that is where your background check is done for which you pay the $25 or 50 bucks at least that's how it works up here in Maine.
The reloading seems like it would be awkward, how was it?
Honestly not too bad, I mean it is a Bullpup so pretty decent for a Bullpup.
Have you tried different magazines to see if other brands are compatible?
I actually ran into a little trouble when I was using a 10-round magazine. I think it was from Panzer. So after that I kind of just figured I would stick with the ones that work and bought a couple of the ATI mags. I have heard mixed reviews where a few people were able to make other mags work though. As for me, I just decided to keep it simple.
@@TheMaineiacguy Thank you. I was just wondering because I don't really like the way one end of the ATI mags are bigger in order to fit under the front of the gun.
Need to know the link to buy the optic and handle set up you have please!!
Due to CZcams's policies, I can't really put links because it's gun related. However, I can't say if memory serves I purchased both of those things right on Amazon. The foregrip is just a Magpul angled foregrip, and the site is a Sightmark. I hope this helps.
Thank you very much sir!
No worries, glad to help. We will eventually get a Patreon up and running to be able to get info like that and maybe even discounted product links up for folks. Have an awesome day.@@user-qm7ff4gn8s
Also, are you aware if anyone sales an upgraded charging handle?
I am not aware of anything like that out there.
There are actually zero videos showing dissasembly on this gun i can find in 20ga
I think I saw one floating around at some point. Unfortunately, it's against CZcams policy to show disassembly of a firearm, so I can't do it on this platform. My son has been encouraging me for quite some time to get a patreon started to create another platform where I can put content like that up. Thanks for watching, and I'm so very sorry I can't be of more help to you on this.
@@TheMaineiacguy I understand, thanks for explaining. What a mess CZcams has become.
@@5Minuteman unfortunately not just CZcams my friend it seems our society as a whole all too often has become an upside down mess.
@@TheMaineiacguy It is nothing new. CZcams has a video monopoly just like standard oil had a kerosene monopoly. Choice makes companies responsive, and nothing else does.
Wouldn't it be the same for both gauges?
What model is your sight mark, please?
It's a Sight Mark M spec. A really great option for this shotgun in my opinion.
You can shoot slugs with a choke?
Absolutely. As I said not really recommended for a full choke because your accuracy goes all to crap but for a modified or an improved cylinder, absolutely.
With a slug, it will drop a hog that runs out on you while you're walking brush.
Link to the optics in this video?
Unfortunately no product link but it is a sightmark Ultra shot m-spec if memory serves. Almost positive I bought it right on Amazon.
Thanks! Wasnt sure the specific model or maybe missed that in the video.@@TheMaineiacguy
@teedyounger6396 no problem at all thanks for watching! Every view means a lot.
MESSING WITH CHOKES ON SHOTGUNS SOME OF THE STUPIDIST ISH IVE SEEN...PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU NEED A TIGHT GROUP WHEN HUNTING OR SELF DEFENSE?
the tighter the group, the longer the range. I usually find a modified to be a good compromise for most things though. But if you are say hunting turkeys at a longer range a full or super full choke will keep you on target for a much longer range but at the expense of REALLY tightening your group at close range which isn't ideal at close range. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
@nathanielwright1493 like I said if I’m trying to hit you with a shotgun or bird turkey hunting I don’t want a right group because I’m trying to hit you sounds like you need a rifle