Gilgamesh- One End More/ Phil's Little Dance/ Worlds Of Zin (REACTION//DISCUSSION)
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Gilgamesh were the band of Alan Gowen, who sadly died of leukemia in 1981 at the age of 33. They were very closely associated with National Health (one of the bands of Dave Stewart); they occasionally gave concerts as an 8-piece band with two drummers, two bass players, two guitar players and two keyboarders. After the death of Alan Gowen National Health published the album "D.S. Al Coda" with compositions of Gowen and a photo of him in his leukemia stage (he is wearing a woolen cap in that photo to cover his baldness) as album cover; Stewart filled in on keyboards for Gowen. The second album of Gilgamesh "Another Fine Tune You've Got Me Into" is in our opinion even better.
Gowen was an important member of the Canterbury scene; he played in the bands Gilgamesh and Soft Heap (and with National Health in that double band billing). The name "Soft Heap" (please don't ask me what that band name reminds me of) is an allusion to Soft Machine; the "Heap" in the name is formed from the first letters of the first names of their members Hugh Hopper on bass, Elton Dean on sax (these two were also members of Soft Machine), Alan Gowen on keyboards and Pip Pyle on drums. They made one self-titled studio album in 1979 and 3 live albums: "Rogue Element" in 1978, "A Veritable Centaur" in 1995 and "Al Dente" in 2008. For the 1978 "Rogue Element" album Pip Pyle was not available though because he had other commitments; he was replaced by Dave Sheenon that album. To keep up with the band name tradition they named themselves "Soft Head" then with the "D" for "Dave" replacing the "P" for "Pip". He also released "Two Rainbows Daily" together with Hugh Hopper in 1980 and "Before a Word Is Said" with Phil Miller, Richard Sinclair and Trevor Tomkins (the drummer on the second Gilgamesh album) in 1982 (recorded shortly before and released shortly after his death).
One of Alan Gowen's amazing compositions, "Hell's Bells", is featured as an opening track on Bill Bruford's "One of a Kind" album which features Dave Stewart, Allan Holdsworth and Jeff Berlin. Gowen plays beautifully on National Health''s self-titled debut album as well. As someone else mentioned, National Health, after Gowen's passing, recorded an album of Alan Gowen compositions called D.S. Al Coda. All of these contain fantastic record of Alan Gowen's talent as a player and/or composer.
One of the best solo guitar. I love that
The National Health/Hatfield & the North saga has Gilgamesh as a partner. Isotope's album Illusion is another killer , featuring the brilliant High Hopper on bass...Yum
Highly recommend, " Son of There's No Place Like Homerton ", by Hatfield.
I played this only recently, these are proper jazz musicians, you can hear that Alan Gowen previously played with Alan Holdsworth. It's great to hear this here, nice one.
Hi JP. Dave from London, just back from A Trip To The Fair (in my local park). Really loving when this settles into a Santana like guitar jam. Some excellent piano flourishes in there too. Never heard of this band, but this is what I love about your channel - introducing me to music old and new that I don't know.
P.S. my song ref A Trip To The Fair is by Renaissance - there's a Canterbury connection as I saw them live with Caravan back in the 70s.
"Scheherazade and Other Stories" was produced by David Hitchcock. Hitchcock also produced several albums for Caravan.
Members of Gilgamesh and Hatfield & The North eventually formed the band National Health.
There's also a vinyl reissue of Gilgamesh on the french label Klimt Records since September last year.
So glad you love this, Justin :D that final section is indeed sublime. The second Gilgamesh album "Another Fine Tune You've Got Me Into" is probably my favourite fusion album ever. Ethereal stuff full of that sweet rhodes. Gowen was a genius (R.I.P.)
Oooh, now we're in the deep end of the Canterbury wading pool. My only issues with this kind of stuff is I always feel like I'm listening to a college music major presenting his thesis composition. Still, there's no denying the talent involved. RIP Alan Gowen.
Definitely has that National Health feel.
Thanks, Justin, for going out on a limb with some of your first reaction choices.
A lot of this stuff passed me by first time around, and although I'm unlikely to go out and buy much of it, I feel richer gor having heard it.
Public service broadcasting, by any other name
Note of interest: Alan Gowen was in a rehearsing band that consisted of himself, Allan Holdsworth, and Jamie Muir. I don't believe they ever recorded. I would love to hear that! Alan also worked with members of Soft Machine as well as Henry Cow.
Great Canterbury album. Lots of Gentle Giantish elements, as well as fusion elements. It’s too bad they never recorded more than this one official album.
Never thought of the Gentle Giant comparison, but i definitely hear it now
Oh, I definitely hear GG in this! Do you know what year this was? I am a big GG fan, saw them live in '77. Never heard of this band before.
@@Jerry-sr9kq ‘75, I think.
@@markdrechsler5660 thanks 👍
The band regrouped in 1978 with the same guitarist/keyboardist but Hugh Hopper on bass and Trevor Tomkins on drums
The result was "Another Fine Tune You've Got Me Into"
Deja Vu, 3rd comment, 1st 2 deleted, WTF... To truncate, loved this. Went on to recommend revisiting National Health, 'Of Queues, and Cures'. The 2nd track, 'The Collapso', one of Dave Stewart's, and it's got steel drums too, what more could you want.
That's odd, again...I refuse to believe that you're public enemy #1!
@@pentagrammaton6793 It is odd! I've had it happen on a few occasions, on a travel site, but not like this, twice in quick succession. I'd understand if it was something controversial, or full of swearing I'd posted, but they weren't... It's pretty annoying, and other than a few suggestions it's the vagaries of the YT algorithm, the not knowing drives me nuts.
Anyhoo... moan over. Cheers for the PE No1 comment. I like to think of myself as the voice of reason, though I may well be wrong 🙂
You know whats funny? I saw your first comment earlier today, but refreshed my page and it was gone. Not quite sure why that is
@@JustJP Interesting, and good to know, cheers.
@@jfergs.3302 ✌
This is why we all love this channel. Never heard this and its brilliant. Thanks JP
Ty :) Always trying to keep a nice variety
You should continue with The Rotters Club which you started about a year ago. Take the rest of the album in two parts: side one what's left of it and then side two. For me it's the best album of the Canterbury scene.
Second tier of Canterbury bands. I love it. You can hear Gowen's jazz influences. His presence is great on the first National Health album where both he and Dave Stewart play keyboards. A powerful combination. You can also hear a slight Zappa influence.
There is a second Gilgamesh album with a different lineup, "Another Fine Tune You've Gotten Me Into". Hugh Hopper on bass and Phil Lee on guitar. I prefer the debut.
Gowen sadly passed away in 1981 but completed a good album, "Before a Word is Said" with Richard Sinclair, Phil Miller, and Trevor Tompkins.
National Health's third album, "D.C. al Coda", is a tribute to Gowen with the band recording his compositions.
Gowen's compositions are more fluid and lend themselves to improvisation where Dave Stewart is more structured.
I read the book but never heard of the band before. Gilgamesh was, of course, one of the first great heroes of literary fiction. I really liked this. Hopefully we will hear the rest of the album. Props to whomever rec'd this. I love when lost gems like this surface again from the depths of time.
Saxon 747 (Strangers in the night) album.
Onya JP ( ockerism from the land down under ) !
Gotta love the way you embrace the more obscure and lesser known material , esp Canterbury scene stuff .
I have one for you that I have put up before :
Band : Audience
Track : The House on the Hill ( title track )
Album : The House on the Hill ( 1971 )
Why ? Great rhythm section , amazing woodwinds , no electric guitar ( only classical miked up ), no keyboards ( except for guests occasionally ) , but with a huge sound , with captivating vocals .
Drummer went on to big Brit 80s band Hot Chocolate , and band leader , Howard Werth ( voc and classical guitar ) auditioned for and got the gig to replace Morrison in the doors before Manzarek decided to wind the band up .
Described as eclectic/art rock .
Atmospheric , theatrical prog with a surprisingly big sound for such a quartet .
I guess I’ll keep putting them up until we have an audience with Audience 🤣
Love your work JP 👍
Amanda Parsons actually sings real lyrics on National Health’s debut album in 1978. Highly recommend you go through that on Long Song Saturday. She’s incredible and it’s the only time she sings words on a recording.
If you like this, then pick a track from Gazeuse! by Pierre Moerlen's Gong, or some of Soft Machine's mid-70s output.
Cool 👍
Tom Waits and Tom Waite are two different artists. Tom Waite is pretty good too, front man for The Babys.
drums - woody but squishy
guitar - warm n fuzzy
bass - airy but grounded
keys - dancing petals on an eastern rug
and that's just 2 thirds in.
More Lost Treasure JP.
Alternatively, all the Usual Suspects.
Either way it's a win win for me personally as I couldn't be bothered hearing Dylan ELO KC and the sunshine band Stones or Fripp back in the early 80s.
and now u say squonk. !ee!
Ha! that's why i relate 2u!
It's too late
This model's out of date
Got every spare part but there ain't much heart inside here...
not like the start I was good at the art of survival
No. This is a JP classic. Well Done J!
what's not to like? all new to me. thanks. I was pulled away before I could finish this one... circling back now...
wow not sure why my edit was deleted... I made a "guitar gasim" reference... basically if you liked this can't wait for you to see a live show of Allan Holdsworth... but maybe you need to keep those "private" if this had those results... thanks for the chuckle 🤭
Ooh please review “Gilgamesh - Underwater Song” when you have time. I don’t think you’ll regret it.
Darmok and Jalad, at Tanagra!
And that's why I've never been to El-Aldrel IV on holiday 🙂
@@jfergs.3302 😀♥
You want lyrics too? That's just plain greedy.
So much to explore, hope you like it enough to look out their other recordings, plus "DS Al Coda" by National Health, as indicated below by J & F G-T.
Been indisposed and antisocial the past couple of weeks, so I have kept silent! Even though you have been throwing a truckload of great stuff in the air recently! BUT!!! I cannot refrain from jumping out of this damn bed and commenting on this quintessential, Canterbury cream pie! Before Gilgamesh, Gowen was in Sunship with one of my guitar heroes Alan Holdsworth! The variety has been top-notch this month Justin-Kudo's & Peace.
Thank you James :) Hope youre doing well!
Get well James.
I admire Gilgamesh mo9re than I love them. The musicianship is unmistakable but I still need a great tune or a series of riffs to keep me interested and those offered by this band are just not up to the best of National Health, Hatfield and the North or Egg. (I realise that this opinion will have me drummed out of the Canterbury Appreciation Society but at least the drumming will be in 17/8!)
I'm still agitating for National Health's Tenemos Roads, JP.
Fantastic band! Gowen rules
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Sounds like easy listening Zappa to me…
Nothing wrong with that but you need to quit swonking around and hit The Black Page #1 and more importantly, Black Napkins… enough humorous nonsense, get to the real deals.
Peace and z’Music
This is a real deal from real musicians, sir. It's just that it happens not to appeal to you. In the same way, much of FZ does not appeal to everyone. JP works hard to give everyone airtime, and I'm sure your chance will come too.
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I didn’t say I didn’t like it.
I didn’t mean to sound like go from Gilgamesh to Zappa, I meant, if we’re going to listen to Gilgamesh, it’s time to listen to the better Zappa stuff rather than the comedy Zappa only. I see it can be read like that. Oops.
@@-davidolivares Got it, D.O. and I know the feeling - composing a considered answer that turns out not to have considered another angle.
Happy listening, whichever tunes and talents may give you joy for some combination of head and heart and hips...
@@georgedavis-stewart4225
You also, thanks for the interaction.