Sanditon -- Charlotte discovers Lennox's true colors
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- Charlotte (Rose Williams) discovers Lennox's true colors and Alexander (Ben Lloyd-Hughes) decides to tell her his story with Lucy ❤️ From (S2:E5)
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Ok but can we TALK about Alexander’s eyes and the way he is looking at Charlotte on the stairs?! The concern and care on his face is amazing. Ben Lloyd-Hughes is really killing me every time he looks at her. It’s like we can see all the emotions in his heart through his eyes and the emotions vary depending on the scene. Seriously, Sidney who.
Susan, thank you so much for giving us these scenes. I watch on prime so I always watch the full episode first and then come here to rewatch their scenes. I so appreciate your doing this for us.
That's what I said too!! His eyes/looks show so much and on the stairs is so much genuine care, concern and love ❤🥰...too cute 😍
I agree with you. I have watched that part of the video countless times.
So much emotion! Yes, on the staircase he has it all figured out in a moment & is so concerned & caring! Those lovely puppy dog eyes. He is a perfect protector of his now 3 young ladies.💕❤️❤️
Yes!! You’re speaking my mind!!!!
I did not know BLH before Sandition. I'm really impressed by his acting. Looking forward to seeing Alex and Charlotte's love grow in season 3. Hopefully we will see their love bring healing and freedom to them both ❤️❤️
Alexander and Charlotte both fell in love for the first time at a young age and were soon betrayed and hurt. It's breathtakingly stunning to watch them both as they discover how true love looks, acts, and feels. Charlotte has cast her spell on Colbourne, and the way Colbourne looks at Charlotte is equally spellbinding. They are both under each other's spell, and now there is no escape for either one of them.
“I must know who you are” - prob my fav line of the season so far. These 2 broken hearts who each were betrayed by their first loves and now she is opening up her heart to him and he to her.
Agree 💯!! I love that line 🥰🥰
And the acting when she says it….WOW! Such a subtle shift in his expression as if her words changed something further for him or solidified it….total “squee” moment!!
During his half apology after the garden party debacle, he said she had no right to ask for an explanation. This time around when she demanded to know who he was, he realized he better start talking.
“I must know who you are” is so romantic.
The walk backward down the stairs with her! SWOON!!!!💙🤍
I love that too. And he never takes his eyes off of her ❤️
So fervent in his expression. Love his protective nature. She was obviously distressed.
Yes!! Me too! That’s what I noticed!
Xander really cared ford for her, indeed ❤❤❤❤
“Give me your hand” and he grabs her hand. Such a gentleman..
👎👎👎 just so glad Charlotte got to see him as he really is 🙄
@@susanfirth9883 yeah! What a jerk!
As if Charlotte had a choice to give him her hand. 🤬 immediately, I thought this is a power play, grab Charlottes hand and not let her go.
I can only hope Lennox’s horse throws him in the water 🤔
I love how perceptive Colbourne is to Charlotte. Obviously he sees how distraught she is here but also at the garden party he recognized her being perturbed by her sister.
Ok finally a woman in a period drama reacts normally. I'm so glad she didn't just stand and act weak she shoved him off like any reasonable person would. I was just afraid Alexander would see them kiss and misunderstand.💙💠
The drama continues and I'm here for it. 📺🍿🥤
ME TOO🍿😂🍿
2:13 another great scene with C & AC. Brilliant acting by Rose and BLH, they 100% understood the assignment
Also, brilliant to include a balcony scene. It looks like the same balcony that Charlotte stood with Sydney. Either way, excellent idea, because then she goes down the balcony to Alexander.
Wondering if there is some symbolism there of her equality with Colbourne
@Booklover 4. I do not remember the Season 1 balcony having outside stairs on either side of it. Charlotte met Sidney upstairs through a back way, which was actually off-camera.
@@marshazeidman4692 lt did not you are right
Rose is a great actress, impressive.
Oh Alison….you have it so wrong! Charlotte is now smitten by Alexander! 🥰
Ew, when he said "Be sensible of my rank!", it revealed him to be more of a reptile than even that forced kiss. I thought him a con artist, but didn't think he'd be low enough to force himself on a woman. I'm surprised Charlotte didn't throw a powerful Demelza (if you know, you know) and slap him off the balcony. That would have been a memorable event for the ball.
And oh my goodness, sweet Colbourne being right there when you turn around, after that rattling experience. I would've burst into tears.
“A powerful Demelza” is exactly what he deserved! 😂 And yes, to have Alexander right there was so sweet 🥰🥰
Awww yes just like Demelza slapping Ross 😂 that would’ve been great!
@@natalieshines4067 I always found it extraordinary that he fell so hard on the ground, lol.
@@vanityshop5155 omg yes!
@@vanityshop5155 He wasn’t expecting it, so he fell hard and then that look on his face. And her face was priceless too.
This scene took me out. The audacity of a man to speak to a woman that way, the same woman who he has been feeding lies too about a man who is raising HIS biological child. The woman was too stunned to speak. But I am glad she finally saw his true colors because he gave me the ick from the first episode.
"The ick" that made me laugh 😃
Agree. He has given me the creeps since episode 1. I’m so glad Charlotte was never really fooled by him and after this scene we can get to work on giving this creep what he deserves (I hope).
he had me fooled the first 2 episodes but the red flags at the garden party and now this? he can kick rocks
Same. I didn't like him from the trailer. He has such strong Mr. Wickham vibes.
@@booklover4731 Yes, I've always compared him to that character as well. Definitely the same mold. Although I would see they whole trio has a lot of similarities in characteristics and story line.
In my mind's Sanditon canon, Charlotte excused herself for a moment before leaving with Mr. Colbourne and Augusta to go to the powder room. She scrubbed her teeth vigorously with tooth powder, and rinsed out her mouth with mint and rosewater, removing every last molecule of Lennox's dna from said mouth and her face! Then she bid goodnight to the Parkers, informing them that she was leaving with Augusta and Mr. Colbourne...
Charlotte acted beautifully in this scene. I knew from the start Lennox reminds me of Wickham's. (pride and prejudice )
That is true he does
Absolutely. And Colbourne is Mr Darcy- one has all the appearance of goodness and one has all the actual goodness!
Yes!!! 100%
Every time I re-watch this scene I'm always surprised that no one else saw this happen, it didn't cause more of a commotion? I know the music is probably loud but they are on a balcony overlooking the whole ballroom.
There were a lot of flowers in the way, and I suppose the perspective from below would be blocked, but yes, it’s a fair question ❤️
They where all dancing, that’s the only way I can think to explain it
That's a narrow escape for Charlotte! With this kind of reaction, you KNOW Lennox is the kind of guy who would continuously remind his wife of her "lower" rank after they are married. And he wouldn't hesitate to manhandle his wife if he thinks she steps out of line. Run, do not walk, away from a man like this.
When he told her that she could not sit with him at the dinner because of her station that said everything you needed to know about him. But it is a Jane Austen adaption and he is a red coat.
Yep, jane knew better than to trust a red coat. Although Fraser seems decent. The exception that proves the rule.
Knew there was something not right about Lennox when he got Tom to gamble
Same.
@Dillards Shopper But Tom didn't know what all Sidney had sacrificed, at the time. Regardless, he should've learned from the fire and the debt in the last year.
Alison is the oblivious female character counterpart to oblivious Tom, on the show, lol.
I wasn't into Lennox from the first, I was indifferent to him. That being said, I immediately disliked him when he insulted Charlotte 'due to convention' when he sat her at the end of the table after she became a governess. I was like 'Boy what? Get out of here!' Charlotte should've dissed him from that moment on and refused to dance with him!
I've quite liked those moments where Alison is oblivious to who Charlotte actually means, and the one with Augusta in episode 4. While Alison and Augusta mean Lennox,and Augusta has better observation skills than Alison, you get to see Charlotte momentarilly drop her guard.
This episode was basically Lennox and Edward competing for who was the bigger POS. I think Edward without a doubt won that contest and I have no shame in literally wanting his character to fall off a cliff and die, but Lennox came pretty close. Those two are a match made in hell, how on earth did someone as wholesome as Fraser end up in the same unit with them
“Fall off a cliff and die” 😂😂 Same! 😠 I can barely look at the screen when Edward is on!
Maybe Fraser will be promoted, and Lennox kicked out as well as Edward.
Edward is vile… evil …
“ fall off a cliff “ Yes!
@@susanfirth9883 I mute Tom Parker Edward and Lennox don't need to hear their voice
I’ve been asking myself the same question. If you discover the answer please let me know because I can’t
Am I the only one who thought of her conversations with Sidney when it first showed her and Lennox on the balcony? Conversations with Charlotte on balconies can be risky lol
As her sister Allison assumed Charlotte meant Col. Lennox when she said she "felt alive in a way I haven't since..." and Allison responded with "You're allowed to have feelings for another man. It is not a betrayal... Speaking of whom" I would have loved it if Charlotte had looked back, seen it was Col Lennox approaching and had widened her eyes, shook her head imperceptibly and mouthed to her sister "Not him..."
And then I cannot help but feel sorry for Augusta, who must have been wondering if she would ever get to attend an entire social event in Sanditon before her uncle drags her away early.
Season 1 was certainly good and well worth watching, but S2 was absolutely outstanding. Often, fate does indeed seem to have a strange and surprising way of guiding us along on our journey. Who would have guessed that S1 would have ended as it did or that the scriptwriter and casting crew would have been forced to take an entirely different and unfamiliar path-which, in my opinion, has led to a far more interesting and reward destination? But, as fate would have it, Charlotte's romance with Sidney Parker and his betrayal in order to marry the wealthy Eliza Campion (who had done the same thing to him a few years earlier) better prepared Charlotte for the older, more experienced, and wiser Alexander Colbourne who would be attracted to and fall in love with her.
Not long into S2, it becomes clear that both Charlotte and Colbourne are surprised and thrown off kilter by their romantic attraction to each other. She and he had both sworn off love and marriage after falling in love and then being betrayed. At the end of S2, we're left wondering why exactly did Colbourne force Charlotte to leave her governess position, and why did Charlotte not allow Colbourne to finish whatever he started to say to her in the Parker home. All we do know is that she and he made a choice, and now they are both unhappy with their lives.
We know what Charlotte wants, but what does Colbourne want? He's confusing us. Ah! The look on Alexander Colbourne's face when he sees Charlotte again in S3 makes it quite clear that Colbourne now knows exactly what he wants. The looming questions for S3 are-Can he still get her? If so, how? So, I am definitely looking forward to Season 3.
For anyone who hasn't been able to put enough of the pieces together and is still trying to make sense of Charlotte and Colbourne's love story, here is a guide.
Like Charlotte Heywood, Alexander Colbourne is a compelling character. Obviously, Colbourne is not pining for his dead wife who married him for his money, knowing that she and Lennox were in love with each other (which is why Lennox told Charlotte that Colbourne stole Lucy from him). However, Colbourne does deeply regret having spoken so harshly to Lucy when he discovered her infidelity and that she was pregnant with Lennox's child. He believes that what he said to Lucy was so damaging that it destroyed her will to live. So, he feels responsible for her death and for Leo not having a mother. Colbourne's compassionate heart and strong conscience have not allowed him to forgive himself-even after all these years.
In S2 we see how compassionately Colbourne treats his horse and his dog, and how he tries to shield his daughter and his niece-and now Charlotte-from himself. Colbourne is apparently afraid of ever destroying anyone again, so he puts up barriers between himself and anyone that he loves. Charlotte helped Colbourne to begin tearing down those barriers that separate him from the people that he loves. But now Charlotte is one of those people-so we see Colbourne as he struggles with his internal conflict between his desire to have Charlotte and his desire to protect her from himself. Interestingly, it is not until Colonel Lennox tells Colbourne that Charlotte is in love with him that he realizes that she is indeed in love with him, and therefore she needs to be protected from him. Because Charlotte is so unique-she is neither meek nor submissive-Colbourne hadn't noticed the outward signs of her feelings about him.
During the time that Jane Austen wrote, men who did not intend to marry often wore a signet ring (engraved with their initials) on the pinky of their left hand-just as Alexander Colbourne does. Colbourne often twists the signet ring that he wears on his left hand and appears to be thinking. My guess is that is yet another reason why he chose to dismiss Charlotte. Colbourne knows that he is in love with Charlotte, and it is obvious that he desires her. The way he kisses her makes that quite clear. After Colonel Lennox told Colbourne that Charlotte is in love with him, Colbourne realized that, as her employer she might submit to his desires because he is in a position of authority over her. Now that he knows how he feels about her and how she feels about him, allowing Charlotte to remain his subordinate would have been highly unethical. Since Colbourne-unlike Lennox-is a man of integrity, he could not bring himself to allow her to continue to be his subordinate, and therefore subject to his will. That's why he forces Charlotte to leave, even after she acknowledges that she was a willing participant during their romantic moments.
When Colbourne goes to see Charlotte with the intention of asking her to return, Charlotte also makes the right decision. Sadly, at the end of Season 2, we were left with two people who are deeply in love with each other-and absolutely miserable because of the choice they had to make.
The good news is-Season 3 is yet to come and now they both know they are in love and unhappy without the other person.
I am confused why you think Colbourne is an older man . Sidney Parker lived 1788- 1820. 32 years at the time of his death.
Colbourne married young. Regency time ASA he finished university education 22 years nine year old daughter make him around the same age as Sidney surely?
@@communicating123 Hello, Ronnie. Well, that is indeed true. Sidney Parker and Alexander Colbourne are "around the same age." However, Colbourne is slightly older-which is actually suggested by his demeanor. Here's the method of estimation and the math used for calculating the ages of Colbourne, Lucy and her twin sister, and Augusta. I started by asking the question-how can we arrive at an approximate age for Augusta? Answer: (a) begin by listing everything that we know about Colbourne's family members that can provide pertinent information, (b) list everything that is known about the laws and social norms during the time that Jane Austen lived and wrote that may give us valuable clues, (c) approach the question from two different directions.
Information about Colbourne's family:
Augusta's mother and Lucy were twins.
Leonora is now 9 year old.
Lucy and Alexander married young.
Laws and Social norms during the time in which Jane Austen lived and wrote:
The age of majority was 21. Parental consent to marry by license was needed for minors under the age of 21.
Individuals typically married between the age of 21 and 26.
Coming out for girls was typically between the age of 16 to 17, plus or minus a year.
The London season corresponded to when Parliament was in session-typically, a 7 to 8-month period, from early to mid-November through June.
Since the passage of time can never be anything more than a reasonable estimates based upon what has been said in the script and what we know about the Austen era, I'm going to round time periods off to whole numbers, and then add in a plus or minus 1-year margin of error to compensate for that.
First approach:
Colbourne said he and Lucy married young. So, let's assume they were 21 years old when they married.
He said that Lucy chose to remain in London for a final season. So, let's assume that Lucy and Colbourne had been married and in London together for 1 year when they agreed that she would remain in London for 1 additional year.
According to Colbourne, after the additional season passed, Lucy chose to continue her stay in London, pleading illness. Then, months passed in which she didn't write. So, let's add 1 year for that. Colbourne then went to London and discovered that Lucy was pregnant. So, let's assume a 9 month pregnancy. Shortly, after that time she died. So, let's add 1 year for the pregnancy plus the time between when Leo was born and when Lucy died.
Leo is now 9 year old.
Here is the math: 21 + 1 +1 + 1 +1 + 9 = 34. Using this approach, Colbourne is now 34 years old-plus or minus a year, and Leo is now 9 years old. √
Second approach:
Here, if we assume that Augusta's mother was only 18 years of age when Augusta's was born and we further assume that Augusta is now 17 years old, then Colbourne, his dead wife, and the twin sister's current age would now be 35, plus or minus a year. √
This means there is approximately an 8-year difference between Augusta's and Leo's ages. √
Of course, I could have assumed that Lucy's twin sister was 17 or 18 years old when Augusta was born and that Augusta is now 18 years old. I chose not to do that for several reasons. (1) During their first meeting, Colbourne told Charlotte that Augusta was still a child. (2) Typically, 18-year-old girls were considered to be too old to have a governess-so, at that point, the governess was out of a job. (3) By age 18, most girls had come out and, at that point, they were considered to be accomplished enough and socially refined enough as well as emotionally ready enough for marriage.
If we assume that Colbourne finished his university education at 22 rather than 21 and married at that age, then he could conceivably be as old as 36, plus or minus a year.
What a great summary! 💕
Colbourne mentions being at Heyrick for 10 years so maybe only 32@@Jean-wk7on married at 21 during the season, Lucy becomes pregnant during the following season and he finds her near her term at which point he may only be 23
Goodness me I bet you’re happy you got all that off your chest…Do you always make ‘epic’ essay comments like that?🤭
Everyone presumes that Lennox is the one that draws her and she's full of dismay that it's Colbourne. The charged look on his face when she says "I must know who you are!" Wow. He knows what the implications are for letting her into his inner world. But the ball is too public a place, this requires him to take Augusta home and bring Charlotte with them.
1:56 “I do not love you!!!” I love her expression and the way she said it. Such disgust. And Lennox is disgusting.
I'm so happy she can't be fooled by a man words anymore and she seeks the truth now ❤
“I must know who you are!” Charlotte knows who she is but gets mixed messages from both Lennox and Colbourne.
I love this show 🥰🥰🥰
Gosh 🥰😭 I can't like it over and over. But I can comment ❣️💕oh my heart. I do hope Charlotte have a talk with herself and eventually accept him
sooner or later, the truth will out....... ✨TEAM COLBOURNE ✨
All right, but on another note, Allison really needs to get better about picking guys.
My favorite line on the show…”Why him?!” 🤣
Similar to Elizabeth's when she realizes she likes Darcy
never trust a red coat period unless they rhyme with daptain graser
Susan your song selection and your videos are just fascinating. They are just amazing. Please keep them coming. You are doing a wonderful job putting the scenes together. Thank you so much it’s a joy to watch them.
Thank you so much! ❤️ Finding the song takes the longest amount of time, and then Ben and Rose do the rest. They are incredible to edit -- able to convey thoughts and feelings with just a glance ❤️
I've said it somewhere before on one of your videos, but must say it again: Susan, is it possible to have a video of Charlotte and Xander with Shane McGowan and Maire Brennan's 'You're the One.' All the music so far has been perfect, but this is also a glorious love song. And thank you. @@susanfirth9883
Ooo ☺️ I have to find the video where they're dancing. I'm so happy you posted these 😭
Thank you so much for sharing!!!!!
The way he says "Give your hand" right in the middle of the 'proposal' irks me. The way he says it is a cross between ordering her & "oh I should be holding your hand for this part." He doesn't even wait for her to give her hand. He takes it. I am thinking that Lennox may have seduce/raped Lucy.
Charlotte never draws closer to him then she has to be.
Later with Alexander, she reaches out and takes his hand. They are sitting close together. The tones of their voices are imitate. Even when Charlotte and Alexander were dancing they were closer than necessary, speaking in more imitate tones.
While she has never had an imitate conversation with Lennox other than basic pleasantries or a friendly chat, oh and a warning to say away from Alexander.
I fear that Lennox is not going to let her go. That "Give your hand" tone shows his possessiveness on top of his need to one up Alexander ( could there be more between them besides Lucy. Boyhood rivals????) Lennox spurred by the need to win. I sense a long road ahead.
That was my impression also. All the little snide remarks Lennox made to Alexander. I think they were maybe friends at some point. They had a falling out perhaps over Lucy or something else. There is definitely a rivalry between them. Lennox is definitely jealous of Alexander. Because he knows Alexander is a much better man then he will ever be. It's a good chance that he took advantage of Lucy or raped her. I knew Lennox was an ass from the start. He just looked conniving to me. He and Edward have that same look about them.
Why did she not slap him!!!! At least now she sees things clearly! Thx for uploading.
She was probably too stunned, in the moment.
She might not have slapped him because with a guy who seems like he could potentially turn violent it’s best to get away so things do not escalate.
@@jaimicottrill2831 that's ver true. But since Alexander was right there....she would have been safe 😍
I don’t think she saw Alexander until she was halfway down the stairs - she did a great job to not stir up a hornet’s nest but, I fear we haven’t seen the last of Lennox
Why don’t we get the scene of Charlotte telling Colbourne exactly what happened with Lennox? He seems not so upset at the fact that Lennox went hands on.
I thought exactly the same!
I would have thought he'd have been much more upset about it after all the anger in his voice at the end of the garden party.
You'll notice that Alexander says "What did he SAY to you?" He doesn't find out that Lennox laid hands on her until they're in the alcove in the next scene. If she even tells him. She might fear that he'll go challenge Lennox to a duel or something! 🥰
@@susanfirth9883 yes I know. I just wanted to see the scene of her telling him what happened. He didn’t seem that angry when he said this was what I tried to warn you about. I think when she doesn’t answer and looks so upset he has a feeling it was more than words. I think he’s focused on her and helping her in the moment rather than going after Lennox.
@@susanfirth9883 I haven't seen this episode yet but does she tell him? I was thinking he was more upset at the Garden party because he could see Charlotte didn't know the truth and gullible to Lennox's lies. I believe because Charlotte was running away from Lennox in this scene Alexander became more concern about her feelings and making sure she was okay was his priority. He made sure not to leave her at that party... cannot wait to see this episode.
Allison, clueless as ever!!!!
🤭I know, right!
Yeah she is so oblivious it is kind of hilarious
I was like you watched Charlotte and Alexander dance and you still think she likes Lennox?😅
I think Alison is a crossed between the hopeless romantic Marianne from Sense and Sensibility and Lydia's, any young man in a red coat, Pride and Prejudice. Looking for love in all the wrong places.
🤣😂 I am laughing but seriously wish she was NOT so clueless.
I must also know who he is. Full life story please!
2:19 I just love that look!!!
I so look forward to these previews...Thank You Susan.😊❤
The way they look at each other says that Alexander and charlotte love each other
Please put this on masterpiece theater again, rerun.
2:56 - 3:07 They've cut this bit from the version I've seen which is weird because it's quite important in my mind. She's telling him she likes him. She's never speaking to him like this, demanding something that concerns him until the final episode and the break-up.
Plus, it makes it look less funny Colbourne just saying "we're leaving and miss Heywood is coming with us" without asking her opinion 😂
They've cut many short bits from the version I've watched and it's all weird because they're very short but this part of the conversation is definitely the most important cut out of all I've seen. The first 30 seconds or so of this clip was also cut and I think it was as if Alison wasn't there at all when Lennox came.
Men like him always existed, through decades😮
Am I the only one really upset that Lennox was able to make his lips touched Charlotte’s lips😡😡😡😡 I now wonder if that’s what he might have done to Lucy.
Hmmmmm good point
Ooo interesting and Lennox's lips, the thought, eeeewww
@@elizabethkennedy9733 Looollll
When I watched this episode, I assumed it was consensual and that Lucy was a rotten one, entertaining other men while she is actually married. But, yes, now I wonder if Lennox actually forced himself on her.
@@vanityshop5155 no Vanity shop I think your first assumption correct. Remember Augusta saying how her aunt was always in London and liked it so much. Though when Lennox made her pregnant he then deserted her. The rotter
Watched all 3 seasons and have never heard alexander call Miss Heywood as Charlotte. Has any one?
These males prefer to create betrayed blunders on the right and wrong, and Lennox reminds me of Wickham from "Pride and Prejudice," Frank Churchill from "Emma," Henry Crawford from " Mansfield Park" and John Willoughby from "Sense and Sensibility". A combination of Darcy, Edmund Bertram, Colonel Brandon, and Edward Ferrars comes to mind when I think of Colbourne. I believe that Ben Lloyd-Hughes did an excellent job playing Alexander Colbourne, and I think that seasons 2 and 3 are fantastic seasons, but I think that season 1 was amazing because it managed to turn the vision of an unfinished work by Jane Austen into a good manner became one of the finest Jane Austen adaptations of tv shows. Now, in the present, I am rewatching older adaptations of other Jane Austen works that have been made for cinema and/or television in the past.
I agree about the characterisations and I think the reason I always felt uneasy about Sidney, is that he was a cross between both types of men, but a bit too much like the Wickham types for my liking.
Where are people watching these episodes??? I'm dying for more!!
Go to pbs.com and search on Sanditon ❤️
@@susanfirth9883 it says episode 5 comes out on the 17th.
I'm watching on PBS Masterpiece and I think it was ep 5 that aired yesterday (Apr 10). But yes right there with you, I am waiting eagerly for the next:)
I watch on Amazon prime-I pay for the PBS Masterpiece channel ($6 month) and they stream one episode ahead of the PBS live schedule so we just got episode 5 yesterday.
Oh I didn't realize that those of us watching Masterpiece were an episode ahead of the other main streaming channels--this clears up some confusion I had, thanks!
I didn't trust Lennox from the first episode , he made my skin crawl , now we know why ...he is a snake . I really hope Charlotte ends up with Alexander
But not even to propose to Charlotte in the decent way that Lennox did, he was extolling his wealth and position to convince Charlotte that he is a good match to accept the proposal, besides thinking that she should accept out of interest, which makes her a fortune hunter, I know it was common at the time for poor women to look for a good match to marry, but this happened naturally without them being accused of being a fortune hunter as Lennox unconsciously thought Charlotte would be.
He definitely had Wickham vibes.
I hope charlotte and Alexandra get together ❤
Hi Susan thank you for the scenes of season 2 episode 5 of Sanditon. Would you kindly add scenes of episode 6 if you have time and have access to it. One week is a long time to wait 😄
I’ll be able to watch tomorrow night, so I’ll upload them after that. I’m in California, so it’s usually pretty late when I get them up here, but before midnight my time ❤️
Thank you so much can't wait to see them
@@susanfirth9883 what time do they come out Pacific time? Just patiently waiting on my amazon pbs subscription...
I'm sorry but the more period films/dramas I see with British soldiers in them, *the more disgusting and less desirable* they tend to be, is it just me or is that a Jane Austen POV?
I'm getting Lydia and Kitty flashbacks
Why are some versions missing parts of conversations. Does the US / UK version differ slightly
The darkened scene transition from Heybourne on staircase to their ‘chat’ - is that your edit or is it like that in episode?
There are scenes of other characters in between those two scenes, and I tend to like to keep the story together ❤️
I like that you do that. When watching the show, I think they switch between stories too often. You should become their editor!
I just realised something massive in season 2 episode 3. When Lennex is warning Charlotte of Colbourne, he says Lucy is basically like Charlotte so Charlotte is Colbourne's type!
Very good insight! And true ❤️❤️ I also thought, the first time I saw Lucy's portrait, that she looked much like Charlotte in coloring. And the way they shot that scene, pulling focus from Charlotte to the portrait and back again, felt as if they were trying to make that point.
@@susanfirth9883 That seems to be highly unrealistic, twisted, and dangerous reasoning-particularly when taken to its logical conclusion. Keep in mind, Lucy was unfaithful and apparently lied to Colbourne, and infact was guilty of infidelity. If what you wrote were true, Colbourne would have been repelled by Charlotte, not drawn to her. It is quite clear that Alexander Colbourne has not been pining for his unfaithful, dead wife. (Colbourne explained to Charlotte that he and Lucy had married young and that he hadn't realized how far apart they had grown.) However, he does deeply regret having spoken so harshly to Lucy when he discovered her infidelity. He believes that what he said to Lucy was so damaging that it destroyed her will to live. So, he feels responsible for her death and for Leo not having a mother. Colbourne's compassionate heart and strong conscience have not allowed him to forgive himself-even after all these years. That is why Charlotte told Colbourne, "You must forgive yourself."
Actually, if anything, the scriptwriters would have been drawing a contrast. Look at Lucy's portrait again, then observe how very different those two women are. That was the first thing that I noticed when I saw her portrait-then I went back and looked at it again. Charlotte's family is landed, but they are farmers (Charlotte's modest background is reflected in her everyday dress wear, and her evening dresses are quite plain, unadorned, and their colors are muted. Rose talked about how the colors she wears in S2 were deliberately chosen to reflect her personality.)-whereas, (based upon the way Lucy is dressed-a solid black dress with white chiffon trim-and her affinity for London society) Lucy almost certainly did not come from a farming family. In all probability, Lucy and Colbourne would have belonged to the same social class, which is slightly, but noticeably, above the social class that Charlotte was born into. The different social class structures have been hinted at several times during the episodes.
I was surprised-and somewhat appalled-to read what you wrote. I would not welcome the possibility for a future like that for Alexander Colbourne a second time. Surely, a man such as Colbourne does not deserve that!
Susan, you videos are outstanding and greatly appreciated-but there is absolutely no resemblance-whatsoever-between Charlotte Heywood and Lucy's portrait, which can be viewed at 2:58 here czcams.com/video/4yd1PPCI6J0/video.html
@Rachel Cornish Now, let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that Alexander Colbourne's "type" is a woman who would betray him? Or maybe you are simply suggesting that Colbourne is either deliberately or unwittingly setting himself up for heartbreak again?
@@Jean-wk7on I believe you can have a type in terms of looks and some personality traits but it doesn't mean to say they are the same person. For example 2 people can be attractive and have different personalities or they have 1 or 2 similar personality traits but one can use it for good and the other uses it for bad
@@rachelcornish5077 Hi, Rachel. Since Charlotte and Lucy don't look anything alike, and since you based your conclusion on something that Colonel Lennox said, I assumed that you were referring to their personalities. (Apparently, that assumption of mine was correct.) Before reading your comment, I had also assumed that we had all learned not to accept anything that Lennox says as somehow representing reality, without first examining it closely. So, I was actually attempting to nudge you into really thinking not only about the validity of what you wrote, but also about the implications of what you wrote.
By the way, thank you for identifying the S2 episode you were referring to. Before getting to that, I am going to touch upon a few things that should help you to better understand and appreciate the Sanditon script, and why it is important not to interject one's own story line into this well-honed, beautifully written script-which, admittedly, is not always easy to follow.
1) As far as we know, the three wealthiest people in Sanditon are Lady Denham, Georgiana Lambe, and Alexander Colbourne. Apparently, Lambe is wealthier than Denham, but it is unclear where Colbourne ranks in that line up. He may be even wealthier than Lambe. Not only did he inherit his family's estate (which is enormous), he is also a business man (according to his character description).
2) At Lady Denham's garden party, it became clear that not only did Colbourne and Lennox know each other's names, but also that at least one of them (Lennox) was able to recognize the other by sight.The name recognition could have several possible explanations, but the sight recognition is quite a different matter. The most plausible explanation seem to be that they had met, or at least seen, each other in London.
3) Although Lennox appears to be a manipulative, pathological liar, it may indeed be true that Lennox and Lucy knew each other, and perhaps were lovers, before she married Colbourne. That would lend some credence to what Lennox's says at 46:04 and at 46:25, without contradicting anything that Colbourne said.
4) According to what Colbourne told Charlotte, Lucy chose not to leave London along with Colbourne, who was her husband at that time. Colbourne also said that Lucy further delayed her departure from London by claiming illness, when in fact she was having an affair with Lennox and did not want to leave him.
5) So the questions are: Did Lucy know Lennox even before she married Colbourne? Did Lennox and Colbourne first meet in London? Were Lucy and Lennox lovers even before she married Colbourne? Was Lennox in love with Lucy? Was Lucy in love with Lennox? If Lucy was in love with Lennox, why did she chose to marry Colbourne? Did Lucy marry Alexander Colbourne for love, or did she marry him for his money?
6) If Colbourne believes that Lucy married him only for his money, and not for love (he mentions that he hadn't realized how far apart they had grown), is that what he accused her of when he went to London and discovered that she had been having, or had continued to have, an affair with Lennox the whole time? Is that why Colbourne shut himself off from society and appears to be miserly (at least in the eyes of Tom Parker)? Is that why he now wears a signet ring on the pinky of his left hand (which was often worn by men who did not intend to marry)?
7) Since Colbourn is far too intelligent to be manipulated by Lennox, is that why his mood changed so dramatically between the time that he lovingly took Charlotte's hand in the soldier's encampment and later when we see him on the beach in anguish as he looks out over the water? Is that why he abruptly ended his relationship with Charlotte, and, then, even after going to her to ask her to-we don't exactly know what-he turns around and walks away?
Has anyone tried to consider that perhaps the difference in Augusta's and Leonora's age differences might be due to Alexander not being able to have children. If Lennox is stating how Augusta looks like Lucy, (twin sister's child) with speculation that Leo is Lennox's child and so much younger than her cousin it might also explain why Alexander is so cold towards "his" daughter.
That's definitely a possibility. I'm hoping it's not true because my wish for them as a family is that (as in Jane Eyre) Alexander gets to have a child of his own with Charlotte. We probably won't know until 2023, so a long wait to find out!
I am slightly confused as to the timing of everything. Alexander said he and Lucy married young and then it seems like shortly thereafter he returned to the country while she remained in town. But Lucy was a twin and her twin’s daughter is 10 years older than Leo. Am I missing something obvious? How old were they when they all got married and had kids?
@ Mariana Gerlemato. I thought I heard Alex tell Charlotte that they went back & forth and discovered Lucy liked the city and he liked the country, so he went back to the country and she stayed in the city. That could mean over several years and within that time Lucy & Lennox had an affair which in time lead to her getting pregnant. What is not known (and probably won't) is if it was consentsual or forced. Either way, those details are left up to our imaginations.
I was thinking that myself. Then I also thought, young could be 24-25 because he seems to be about mind 30s now. Lucy’s twin could have been married even younger. They may have been married a couple of years when she became pregnant with Leo. With Lucy mostly in London, and Alexander at home who knows how often they were physical. We also don’t know their actually love history, was it really love or did it workout they were similar in age, and had similar wealth/fortune so it worked out.
@@susanfirth9883 I got a vibe that Alexander and Lucy were not married for long, and may I say maybe victims of shutdown romance....once separated maybe Lucy realized she is not so much into her husband hence traying was easy....lennox should not hold all responsibility here...it takes two two 😉.
When is episode 6 clips coming on to CZcams
I’ll be posting some tonight ❤️
@@susanfirth9883 ok that’s cool
@@susanfirth9883 when are the clips coming out that shows us scenes from the episode
I'm back for another view, lol.
Lennox was not my favorite.
Lennox's speach is so gaggy.. LOL "The Army defines a man." GAG
No doubt he’ll use the same exact speech on the next woman
He’s the sickest. He has no respect for her.
It makes me laugh every time I watch. I think he’s practiced that speech in the mirror.