Victory mania: Why the growing glorification of May 9 in Putin's Russia? • FRANCE 24 English
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2022
- In the end, there was no big reveal on Moscow’s Red Square on May 9. But is the devil in the detail of Vladimir Putin's Victory Day speech? In commemorating 1945 win over the Nazis, the Russian president did not declare war on Ukraine or announce a mass mobilisation, defying some expectations. He did however single out the perceived aggression of ''America and its minions”. Is it all a bit of bluster, or can Putin still spring a surprise? What would be the interest in drawing NATO members directly into the conflict?
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Some of us don't want to forget the sacrifice in defeating Nazism and fascism. Unlike France, which capitulated to the Germans without a serious fight, the Soviets tore the guts out of the Nazi war machine and made victory in the West more certain.
Huh, they were also allies until 1941, watching Hitler's back in the east and making it much easier for Germany to deal with the west first.
Russia MUST celebrate Victory Day so that no one forgets who actually defeated fascism. Especially those individuals who are trying to rewrite the history of WWII.
In 1963, KGB monitoring recorded Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov saying: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.
"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."
What good is remembering if they go and commit atrocities on par with what the Germans did in WWII.
the world coming together defeated fascism. With US lend-lease. Without it, USSR was toast. My mom lived through WW2, she told me all about Americal materiel. My grandpa and uncles talked about it often too.
Their victory was a curse for East European nations, to a point that 3rd Reich was celebrated as liberators in operation Barbarosa. Not for long, they soon fell to the same level as the Soviets.
No nation could have defeated them alone, certainly not the USSR
Yes 👍
Worst thing ever happened, EU, allowing banking crisis, joining nato
Вам не понять, вы не жертвовали так, как жертвовал Советский Народ. Миру должно быть стыдно за такое отношение к героям, погибшим для того, чтобы вы сейчас жили.
Why translate?
You post in foreign country?
Attempting to???
If you believe your message is of value to foreign country you post invaded, post in language of country you invaded.
Putin : “the Americans and their little friends”. Hahahhaa. So true this words
Russia and its military-occupied friends. This too is true and in fact sadder.
😊😊 no lie at all 😂😂
We don't have friends... just acquaintances
@@danielnorberg9903 Hlúposti píšete,nerozumne zmýšlate.Rassia prichodit.Pereformat mira.
@@martadurejova4037 🥂
What I interpret about The 9 May is that it is really the day when Russia Remembers the 27 million Soviet People who died when the Successors of the people who lost their lives fighting the Nazis. This discussion insults those people who gave their lives for the protection against the Evil Nazi Empire. The French were the last ones to make fun of that event, they collapsed within a very short period. We have too many subjective comments which mocks the Russians. I’m old enough to remember spending my childhood nights in Bomb Shelter.
Don't forget that Stalin was allied with Hitler and Germany until Hitler betrayed Stalin. Russia and the Soviet Union were not blameless then, and certainly not now.
Russia is the aggressor not the US or NATO. NATO is defensive and would never have invaded Russia. Russia invaded Georgia, Russia invaded Crimea, Russia invaded Donbas and now the rest of Ukraine.
@@tpbtpb2602 SO why nato was barking? didn't u read pope's comment?
Media starts giving alternative spin to history!
Stalin did as much international gangsterism as Hitler. The way they carved up Poland for example. Or the massacre in Katyn where Russians killed 22000 Polish officers. Or the fact that the Red Army soldiers raped thousands of women from ages 8 to 80 from Hungary through Austria to Germany. Let’s be honest, after 1945, the Russians caused a lot of suffering for Central and Eastern Europeans and the entire World. The Allies should have continued to the East after the fall of Nazi Germany and defeat the Soviet Union. Imagine a world without the Communist threat, without the Cold War, or the current state of Russia.
Sir, you are the only person in this commentary with a lucid understanding. Its a sad, ignorant world we are in, and it is quite frightening.
Most people around the world are not aware that Britain is just a few tiny little islands but very vocal. I guess that's what Putin was referring to when he said, "the US and their minions".
aww, you're jealous. That's cute...
Those few tiny islands have more than a 3rd of the popoulation of Russia
Britannia is the nerdy kid that sits in the front of the class acting like they are the center of the world... the rest of the class laughs and knows what they really are. 😂
@@jbloun911 true, until the class grows up and realises who is laughing now,
@@hobnobs4486
America runs the class, nerds think they're smart but are socially awkward and need braces.
The irony is that the US supplied the Soviets with a lot of the equipment they used to fight the Nazis with. Now we are supplying the Ukrainians.
In 1963, KGB monitoring recorded Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov saying: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."
What equipment?
@@nemanjarasula1599 152k studebaker trucks which is the platform for the kaytusha rocket launcher. 11k aircraft, 400k jeeps 12k other armored vehicles including m3 half tracks Sherman tanks.
and don't expect thank you. Zelensky only demands, hateful figure
@@katalinrobin6222 beating Russia would be more than thanks but I appreciate your attempt at gas lighting
It is bizarre these days that the perpetrator or their kinds always accuse their victims of the evil-doing they commit themselves.
Rape victims often have the same problem, particularly in oppressive countries.
Projection is a key element of a gaslighting campaign.
are you talking about the usa?
You do realise the Ukrainian government has been bombing the ethnic Russians in the east for 8 yrs?
@@cody4266 Verí,že áno.Ich elity.
Putin painted himself into a corner.
Putin owns a scraper
not really
@@ishmaelwatson5535 really
@@Fuzzybeanerizer stop listening to CNN and MSNBC news
@@ishmaelwatson5535 really
The Oxford guy was trying hard to explain why Russia isn’t committing genocide and it don’t really make any sense. Genocide under its original definition means wiping out a group or nationality broody the destruction of their institutions and culture, not necessarily killing everyone from one group. It’s a grey area and although it gets overused a bit just like the term “naziism”, it felt like he was trying hard to argue there isn’t genocide by Russia against Ukraine when it seems like there’s legitimate evidence that it could be.
What defines genocide .... When is it genocide?
Is it based on the number of people who are being killed,
or is it based on% of the local population being killed.
Ok I've found a definition.
It is not specific, but in the context of Putin's rhetoric, I would say that Russia is definitely committing genocide in Ukraine.
"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people - usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group - in whole or in part."
Of course it can not be compared to the fate of the Jews in WW2, but Russia's goal is the same as Hitler's goal.
The scary thing is that they use the same rhetoric.
You mean kind of like the American attempt at a world wide hegemony that is based on their way of life? A Westernization of the globe if you will. By the terms you're offering to describe what genocide actually is you're suggesting that the U.S.A., through their actions for better than the last century, have been actively engaged in a genocidal effort against the entire world? Does not this attempted Americanization of the planet fit such a description of genocide?
I agree with mr Lieven's point about not devaluating the term 'genocide' by equating it with 'attrocities'. It's about scale, more than any legal definition. The Nazis killed 2/3 of all Jews in Europe. The Hutus killed more than half of all Tutsis in Rwanda. The Ottoman forced deportations of Armenians probably killed about 35 % of all Armenians. Compared to Ukraine, a 35% figure would mean at least 9 million deaths. This is what most people associate with the absolute horror of 'genocide'; the willingness, ability and actual act of killing a large percentage of a people. In that definition, then no, what's happening in Ukraine is not a genocide. That doesn't minimize or relativize the atrocities happening in Ukraine - it just calls exaggerated language use into question.
@@crocutalcorvus444 if nobody called American actions for the past 60 years genocide why call what Russia is doing genoicide
France crumbled on day one now they try and write European history 😂😂😂
Полезный дурак
The deal was made with the Templars and the their brethren the Teutonics.
Points made that I didn’t know. Thank you.
Years of planning for this day .. how disappointed Putin must be.
He said vassals and not little friends Lol!
The difference between us and them. We mourn our war dead in dignified ceremonies, they celebrate their war dead with colourful parades displaying military might! We mourn, they celebrate!
I remember as a little girl, in Sweden, in the 80's...I was always afraid of one thing... The russians invading our country. I don't know where it came from really, if it was the cold war my parents told me about... The murder of JFK, the Chernobyl incident, the murder of Olof Palme etc etc... But I was always afraid of Russia... Over the years, this fear went away and I developed and interest in Russia instead. Tried to learn the history, the language, traveled there and so on... And now I'm here 35 years later being back to that exact spot, being fearful of Russians...😕 Too bad really, I wish we could all just coexist peacefully. Why should that be so difficult?!? 😧
Because mental health affects leaders as well and as long as ego driven leaders do not try to eliminate their ego in constructive ways then evil will always try to overtake leaders for their own personal gain.
Aww I hope you will be ok❤️
After losing his generals faster than lemmings falling off a cliff, it's amazing there were enough people left to surround him.
word
And most of those lost generals were in the parade, its so funny lol
too much west media bro, but its not your fault
@@agustincai name another modern war in which 9 freaking generals croaked in the first 2 months. Go on!
@@agustincai damn bro, that cuts to the bone
They didn’t show the piece of the Moskva in an aquarium
Fact check: It wasn't John Lennon's Stand by Me. It was first written published and performed by Ben E King.
You are right! Great song!
👍
Remember Putin’s own words: USSR falling apart is the biggest tragedy. He made it his only mission to restore USSR
Yes this is an extremely relevant statement by him. He also called ukraine his "porch". I think more people need to understand how he views ukraine. He doesn't respect it or its president at all. Whether he views the election as illegitimate or not, he should show the ukrainian people that he respects them by respecting their leader. And you respect a leader by speaking to him. He doesn't care to do this. At one point he spoke personally to so many other world leaders. Remember he also made his written requests about ukraine to Washington and nato. He talked right around zelensky. It's unfortunate. People around the world hated Bush and some despised Trump, but they still spoke out of respect. This should be normal. Especially when you consider the people your ethnic brothers.
With what money. Russia is broke.
@@nunyabusiness863 с кем там разговаривать в Украине? Они хоть раз сами просили встречу с Путиным? Нет! Не было официальных дипломатических ходов. Только все на словах, не более, перед камерами. Продажная украинская власть, поддерживающая нацистов, сделала все, чтобы война была на их территории, выполняя проплаченные задания США. Украинская власть незаинтересована остановить войну, они только на словах говорят о мире. Ничего для этого не делая.
Please remember that Ukraine is suffering. Dont be afraid. Please protect the freedom of Ukraine no matter the threat.
Stop sending weapons!
@@joanneliu6700 Why?
All you need to know or understand is a quick look at the podium and the age group that is there supporting him. It's the old guard of the failed Soviet era, attempting a Lazarus rebirth. It will never happen unless there is a total "adieu" to the illusions of Empire. The citizen needs to have a Lazarus experience in their constitutional and birthrights as human beings to be born again as modern civilized society. But today, who will be there to pardon them for their atrocities and war crimes...putin like hitler and Stalin did not commit them personally, he used the russian military and the support of the russian people as his proxy for the genocide of Ukrainians......
👍👍👍
NATO is just a lapdog and warmonger to the world. Any decency when it invades the rest of the country? Do you believe Nato’s democracy, freedom and human rights ?
@Anthony Pazana I am not sure alluding to ourselves that it is only older generations who support Putin. True, the majority of those who support his Ukraine adventure are among the older generation. But with rewriting history books, Putin's Youth foundations and so on has the potential of brainwashing a whole new generation, and it is unfortunately happening all over. We need to be well prepare to such eventualities.
There is a wonderful thick book that analyzes the way the US has changed the historical narratives several times, called, The Mystic Chord of Memory. I urge you to get it and read some parts that apply generally to the way a political regime edits the past for the current secondary student
America is clearly in a phase of rapid and sweeping revisions, not erasing history, but deciding what parts are emphasized. One could spend hours of instruction on the cruel treatment of civilians loyal to the king during the Revolutionary War or the woes of impressed seamen prior to the War of 1812. But that doesn't happen.
The presupposes the US govt has control of all the media and education. What parts of history are you referring to?
The rule of thumb is that the winner gets to write the history of the battle, because it hard to write when you're lying dead in a ditch.
@@melvinshelton8448 Víťaz???Klamár prepisuje historiu.Už 2000 a viac rokov je prepisovana.
“All victims are equal. None are more equal than others.” ... from The Russia House - John le Carré . When we truly adhere to that principle as human beings, then only we can say "Never Again"
By "never again" you mean Azov regiment with svastikas all over their backs? Or photo with "Totenkopf" emblem published by Ukrainian president?
@@startracksha
You sound oh so desperate.
It’s understandable. You only a have dictators and dictator wannabes on your side.
@@startracksha
Please don't forget, photoshop and deepfakes exist in the meantime.
@@seanpatrick1243 Desperate. LOL. We had Germans who looked at Kremlin stars in 1941 - THAT was desperate. Now it's just ... a little bit more noise in the news than usual. Putin is smarter than Stalin - he manages to start fight first and move it outside Russia.
@@Anita-k I'm a little bit into philosopy and know what postmodernism is. It's way more interesting than deepfakes.
They celebrate their glorious past more and more because their future looks more and more bleak.
Why doesn't UK
FREE IRELAND from UK Imperialism and Segregation !?
Pure HYPOCRACY !
Wasn't looking this bleak until Putt Putt lost his marbles. All these deaths are just senseless.
Great point of views! Txs
In the US WW2 is hardly talked about, just Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima. Not much in between, until college world history. We don’t glorify it because it falls into one of those foreign wars we keep getting pulled in too. Iraq and Afghanistan is already falling into the catalog of wars that just aren’t that important to every day Americans?! Iraq war veteran.
US is ashamed to remember how they avenged Pearl Harbor by dropping nuclear bombs on civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I’m not really sure what your point is here.
That "catalog" is full of innocent people who are dead now. I'm not Lybian, but what USA did to Lybia is unforgivable. And not only to them. It is sad that Americans are so manipulated every day, every minute of it, that they can't even realize what is happening in their name. That's why I said that American government is almost equally bad toward their own citizens.
Alexandra Filippenko is incredibly brave to be critical of Putin's speech. I hope that she is not arrested for expressing such views.
she should be
Nie,je hlúpa.Zapredaná liberálom USA.
He is full of BS
Informative, keep it up.
How can there be any Honor in destroying another country homes hospitals schools orphanages children's play grounds with the children granparents ,pregnant women newborn babies disabled children's orphanages Its so evil
unfortunately Zelensky lets his country to be destroyed
great discussion
Please if you want to bring people on air to teach us history please bring people with brains 🧠
????
good reporting!
France 24 is like a classroom discussion. Very educational and points of guests are all exhausted. Please continue delivering good news and good news services.
Lol
Just curious - exactly how does one engage in constructive dialogue with a party who rejects or refuses objective reality, and instead indulges the darkest depths of their subconscious? Putin could not be talked with if all he was going to insist (as he did......repeatedly) on his highly "revised" version of collective reality being the only version?
Εσύ από πάνω που είσαι Paul η Ρωσία είναι αναθεωρητική το ΝΑΤΟ η ΕΕ ο οικονομικός βραχιωνας του ΝΑΤΟ βομβαρδιζοταν η Γιουγκοσλαβία η Λιβύη Συρία Αφγανιστάν κλπ δεν ήταν αναθεωρητισμός? αλλά ξέχασα ήταν ανθρωπισμός της δύσης του ΝΑΤΟ μα δεν ντρέπεστε λιγάκι εσύ και η ΗΠΑ
Like Stalin.
Ukraine under instructions from the U.S and U.K are refusing to negotiate peace! Russia have tried for years to have their concerns listened too! You are being very disingenuous about Putin.
@causaps causaps they should care, their country is about to become like North Korea or Cuba, and the only way out is to make themselves subservient to China....even stopping the war in Ukraine and withdrawing all their troops, the West will not re-embrace Russia headed by Putin or any other autocrat
They are brainwashed by the sick QAnon cult that is spreading all over the world - in the US we had January 6, 2021 - and we deployed 20,000 military at the US capital - many were QAnon who were domestic terrorists
I’d like to thank that guy at the end who pointed out that the word genocide has been ridiculously overused and that it’s insulting to the victims of actual genocides
And I'd like to thank the lady at the end for correctly pointing out that the word genocide has an established, legal definition, and that the guys' argument that "there have been worse genocides in history, meaning that this one doesn't count" seems fairly dim. It's a bit like creationists saying that the theory of evolution is "just a theory" because they have an intuitive understanding of the word from its usage in common parlance, that does not equate to the scientific usage of the term. I wonder what his threshold is for an event becoming a genocide? Is it a case of raw numbers of murders? Or a percentage of the population being murdered?
How about we let Ukrainians and international courts decide that.
@@TheCriticsAreRaving I assume that you are aware that international law does not run on the 7,7 billion different versions of "common sense" among the 7,7 billion people on earth, but on a set of internationally agreed upon codified rules? As has already been explained by others, and more eloquently than by me, "genocide" has a specific and established meaning in international law - and one that doesn't require a single actual murder. Even without all the killings, the treatment of the indigenous peoples of the Americas - to take an example from the West - with the active eradication of native american culture and identity, it would still legally be a genocide. I don't care if Lieven gets upset at his friends for using the word "genocide" too much when talking to him, but in a debate like this between actual grownups they would OBVIOUSLY use the legal definition of the word, since they are talking about UN investigation into such claims, which of course is based in the wording of the law, and not in whatever meaning people decide to arbitrarily ascribe to it. You are more than welcome to use your own definition of whatever words you use, but just keep in mind that in international and legal parlance words have specific definitions.
I have had to take high dose steroid IV therapy before myself. I guarantee that is what has happened to his face. He is very sick and the drugs may be affecting his judgment.
Amazingly Fr24 and Elena did not express such high morals of repugnance when sarko le psycho lied and started the criminal war on Libya.
It is called selective humanitarianism...
I recall hearing about 'Nashi' youths a decade+ ago before it seemingly went quiet. How widespread was that in Russia and did that entrench this new brand of revisionist nationalism in the new generation of adults? Clearly, the supportive base is not just made up of pensioners from the Soviet era.
I think the supportive base is made up of people who don't want to get shot, poisoned, or fall out of windows!
@@Fuzzybeanerizer b
As they quickly showed the map of Poland before and after Stalin and Hitler partitioned it, is it interesting that none of the people speaking discussed that the entire region of western Ukraine is the territory taken by Stalin. Why wouldn’t the Ukrainians return this land to Poland since they are so benevolent.
because ukraine is not that admirable country as the woke media wants us to believe.
You proposing all european countries including Germany redraw borders give territory back ? Russia hand back Belarus territory once part Poland. Your opening a can of worms. WW2 is over we need peace and must moved on.
Oh, cmon, gimme a break! Redrawing borders is done, over, finished! Its 21st century when will you ppl get it? Agreements in the future through diplomatic means will make them obsolete without anyone having to wage a war. Armies are a huge waste of resources and believe it or not "there is no planet B" for now. The problem in this particular instance, as obvious as it is, is that there are countries who are isolationist and don't want to participate in a multicultural cooperating world. Ppl please don't whine about who's going to lead this process it just has to be someone and it seems to me that totalitarians will not be liked. No "new world order" can come from dictators and isolationists, they'll only make more conflicts.
Very good reporting.
5:39 The guy in the gray uniform is thinking about his great-grandkids pissing on his grave.
Это праздник моего деда он находился в газовой камере что совершали фашисты это просто немыслимо дедушка всё рассказывал
Did your grandfather told you how he raped his way through Europe too?
Fašizmus je nutne zničiť!Rusko to robí.
Where was Gen. Valery Gerasimov? Y'know... the head of all Russia's armed forces. The guy that Putin would have to get to agree on use of nuclear weapons... THAT GUY! He wasn't there... Where is he? And why is nobody commenting on it?
Isn’t he nursing a shrapnel wound to the upper thigh 🤔
& Lavrov!
Interesting.
The Russian revolver is a loaded nuclear revolver! You picked it up, now you will have to play the game, but guess what! It's a loaded gun and there are no empty chambers!
How can you call it a debate when the other side is not present in the discussion?
I worry about Alexandra. I hope her forthrightness on these broadcasts doesn’t put her in danger.
This is the part I find confusing. She's saying she can't say these things and fear saying these things, and yet she's saying these things on a public broadcast.
@@tomtube1012
It is not being shown in Russia and she was a little careful in her usage.
Nič sa nebojte.Aj Navaľnyj žije.Ha ha.Prečo som stále viac a viac presvečená,ž mnohí diskutujúci nemate ani paru,že sa celý svet preformátuje!Už to pochopte.Ázia,Rusko preberajú vedenie .Budte šťastní.Vek zla,vojen,sa skončí.Aj arabský svet je múdrejší!!!!
As an America France24 has become my #1 news source for this war
Yes. As an American I agree. The European press is covering this with much greater depth than the US press. DW News from Germany is also good.
@@mikebowman9844 agreed.
@@mikebowman9844 Agree about DW. As a European (Irish in France) I like NPR for quick summaries of US and world news. [Edit - Times Radio has interesting interviews about this war at the moment.]
Agreed on DW. The Guardian is not too bad as well.
If you can understand some foreign languages, there are a lot of other sources as well.
As a Ukrainian I have to say their expertise and understanding of the current situation is quote on point.
The General and the Admirals loaded down with Medals ! Dang!!
The old dudes wearing worthless Medals so the wind can't blowing them away.😂
Those are body armor. They should make it bigger
That's Zelenskyy's sweatshirt by the way, not the dog's. The dog has just got the medal.
It's an attempt at cultural genocide. There is a distinction.
Really excellent program. Well done!
Although he made a lot of good points, but I have to disagree with the gentleman's comments about the civilian deaths in Bucha and many other towns. If the investigation found that civilians are indeed murdered by Russian troops, then i have to say this is not a norm in every war. This is a war crime on a massive scale. The fact that war crimes were also committed by western troops in many other recent conflicts does not make it a norm. You can certainly criticize the lack of condemnation and media focus on war crimes committed by western troops but it is dangerous to normalize atrocities like this.
It isn't a norm but I wonder why we never had an investigation into atrocities in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen and 50 years long blockade of Cuba...
@@dn8598 THEY ARE
Какое следствие установило??? Это сплошная ложь украинского режима. Мирных людей в Буче убили украинские нацисты!
@@dn8598 There motto, "Do as I say not as I do."
Somebody needs to remind mr. Putin the equipment that the United States give them in World War II let alone the men that died for that country
You're delusional l. The soviets alone built there own weapons and 27 million russians died in WW2!!!! The americans didnt even loose a million!!!!
Great panel
Thanks France 24, some very interesting points made & the school books being re-written is a worrying sign.
Also an plausible explanation for the speech being more sober this year.
The 'troll' children are out in force again :((
We need them picked up and taken to work seriously they don't have anything better to do than beg?
@@andyw2132 and high obviously; with all those jet fumes everywhere...
@@andyw2132 No signs of drunkeness or cognitive impairment as opposed o the ramblings and vacuous statements from the leader of the free world-so called.
Why? Because life is miserable in the Russian federation.
Says who?
When it becomes miserable, we will start seeing an uprising.
These memorials are held in the UK and other countries.....why single out Russia?
Thumbs up for all the guests and Elena. Just wow, very informative. As an asian dude i am completely glued and following on youtube the invasion for more than two months now the since the war started.
You are just being manipulated by the media. Watch Ann-Laure Bonnel documentary "Donbass"
Happy victory day Rusia🥳🥳🥳🥳
Mr Putin😎
LOL
Putler, Stalin's Mini-Me! Glory & Victory To Ukraine!
Glorification is not growing it is steadily glorious from the day Soviet Union won the war against jqzis. You are so out of touch to make into something it is not and disrespectful to the memory of fallen soldiers saving the world from the worst evil it faced. May 9th was ALWAYS celebrated all.over Soviet Union countries it was big and spectacular and we hope remains like that to show that those who have given up their loves for us will be always remembered.
The key word here is "European Volunteers", derived from the German "Freiwillige" (volunteer).
Everybody agrees here. So where is the discussion? 🤣😂😅
Nice emoji's you got there.
why do you keep inviting reporters based in Russia when they are clearly afraid to report properly and unable to tell it like it is ?!
To see the opposing viewpoint. That's kindof the point
How did Putin justify people could get 15 years for calling it a war ????
Since when has a dictator been hindered by justification?
Love the reporter's tie.
USA News sources don't have these long form expert panels.
American people have attention span issues. That's why the only panels you'll see are the ones where everybody's yelling over everybody at the same time.
GOEBEL'S BIG LIE.
John Lennon didn't write "Stand By Me." It was Ben E King.
There it.s not enough saying "never again" .It souns like a challenge
provocation.☺😊😀
What other great accomplishments have they had since then? Of course they cling to the last time they weren't the bad guys.
Actually they were just as bad as the natzis. Stalin was just as a mad dog like Hitler. The only difference was that he turned Soviets arms against natzis although he had already a pact to share Europe between themselves
You said the unsaid truth. I was thinking this too.
Accomplishments? 1st nuclear power plant in the world (Obninsk), Mesm, tokamak, carbon nanotubes, 1st orbital rocket then Sputink, Luna 1. Just off the top of my head. And that's only the 50's alone, shortly after the devastating war killed 20M of our people
And since when we became the bad guys to you? Not talking about our government, but about our people. Cause ww2 victory was regular Soviet people's "accomplishment", not bloody Stalin's. This coward and psycho was in safety the whole time
The Soviet space program was pretty successful.
It's good to watch & listen to a discussion that isn't interrupted by adverts & spend the 45 mins talking. The kids aren’t choosing this doctrine & could be set in an education format but then hearing about those books & basically redacting the word UKRAINE on copy. Is frightening what this man is leading normal ordinary russians & introducing North Korea lifestyle!!
Paul I wonder who is leading you, the West strength is their Weapons, spreading lies, and stealing Natives Lands and resources. Sweden, Finland NATO and EU are the European block that striving off the exploit of African people and resources. Question ❓ if China, India and the south not with the West however, they claim the majority is for their policy,is unreal 😚🇸🇮🇸🇮
@Rock Forrester Yeah I’m from the Uk & I’m Scottish & fyi I wasn’t complaining about paying my license for uninterrupted BBC news just like I’m not complaining about sky subscription for sky news, CNN etc it was a discussion I wouldn’t have seen on said channels & I like to read & hear all sides!
Just look up Wikipedia encyclopedia of they have on your internet server network
Exactly.
Foolish the Soviet union was defeated
Don't get me wrong, the Soviet Union's defeat of Nazi Germany was a great achievement but these Victory Day parades should really be done every ten years instead of every single year. All nations should celebrate their past achievements but obsessions about a single event no matter how impressive leads to a country losing sight of its future. Being a gas station and clinging on to past victories is not the way to restore greatness to Russia.
America celebrates July 4th every year.
Russia did not defeat Nazism. It was all the allied forces that defeated.
It was everyone who fought together against Nazism who defeated Nazism.
@@crocutalcorvus444 Yes, Russia did not whitewash but defeated the then Soviet Union, which America destroyed, wherever America climbs brings only destruction and death of everything, it's time to stop stopping
@@crocutalcorvus444 fancy words western countries telling for years while USSR fight and defeated Germany and took Berlin. USA helped Russia than France and UK did in ww2 to fight Germany
@@1935rmb Not strictly as a victory but for achieving freedom and independence.
Fake victory parade.
Fake victory
Stand by me was a song by Ben King, a US musician
Interesting heated debate. "We can criticize the different politics, the different historical perspectives, etc." "Where is this all leading us?"
Demonize, demonize, deminize the enemy make them evil in the minds of the masses.... it doesn't work as well as it once did frenchie 23😅😅😅😅
You needed an edit to get that comment right? 🤦🏽
Maybe you need another edit.
2022 Pulitzer Prize Announcement =
"In addition, the Pulitzer Prize board is pleased to award a 'Special Citation' to the journalists of Ukraine for their courage, endurance and commitment to truthful reporting during Vladimir Putin's ruthless invasion of their country and his propaganda war in Russia. Despite bombardments, abductions, occupation and even deaths in their ranks, they have persisted in their efforts to provide an accurate picture of a terrible reality...doing honor to Ukraine and journalists around the world." 🇺🇦
People have been robbed of their ability to decipher between fact and fiction . Journalists are the medium to provide information or disinformation . The Americans and its cohorts believe that disinformation is complete when the western public believes is false ……
Fortunately for Russia, it’s “narrative” coincides with reality.
Lol. No it doesn’t.
I appreciate Anatoly-San on the panel.
You don't use a parade to declare war. He did jump mighty fast from honoring the day to taking jabs at America, some say for the first time in history, named America.
When all your role in WW2 was just raising a white flag, it is normal to not understand why 9th of May is important.
wow....Anatole - I disagree with you completely!
"She has brought her own history book" why the disrespect towards the lady?
That useless British guy was trashing America’s contribution to WW2 as well as insulting the other guests. And this host sits there letting it all go like he’s not even hearing it. And then they air this unedited, looks like. Wth?
The Russian celebration of May 9 was very good because the beautiful Russian soldiers were highlighted
Putin forgot to thank the Americans again this year for the American Lend-Lease program for Russia during WWII that saved Russia from the Nazis. Today the Americans signed a Lend-Lease program for Ukraine. You're welcome Russia,
I know, right? Poetic justice lol
Ha ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 the man finally admitted that USA is a big Guy 🤪🤫🤔🤔
Your Title " Victory Mania " is Apolling and You calling Yourself NEUTRAL !?
One can find a point in history where every country in the world was conquered, owned, or a part of some other country. England could claim that the USA should be part of England. Spain could lay claim to Holland. That line of thinking is precisely what article 2.1 of the UN Charter was created to address. Respect all existing borders.
Kosovo
@@startracksha genocide.
@@lembergnative7731 Is there a nation named "Banderovites"?
@@lembergnative7731 Yes, genocide that UCK made against non-albanians (and against "unloyal" Albanians to be honest).
Eurocentric nonsense, england never owned the united states'
If they hate the 1939 pact, ask Ukraine to return its Western part to Poland.
AND Poland its western part.to Germany.
This is certainly one of those debates that requires close scrutiny.
From what I can see here Elena Volochine was the brain in the room but suffered
from continual interruption by the newscaster who seemed to want to steer the narrative
in his own direction.
Anatol Lieven on the other hand seemed to have his own agenda, one in which he is in denial of
war crimes in Ukraine and Putin's desire to commit Genocide of both the people and the idea of
Ukraine. To think that this Pro Putin supporter is living in the UK is disturbing, I think
repatriation is required, but that would be for others to decide.
Putin has damaged his own country, rewritten the history books and we know where that will lead.
This turmoil has only just begun and there is a long way to go.
You are just being manipulated by the media. Watch Ann-Laure Bonnel documentary "Donbass"
Excellent analysis of the current situation in Ukraine and Russia.
Very, very biased. Better watch "The Duran"
I disagree with the commentator on the subject of genocide. Putin refuses to allow the nation of Ukraine and it's people to exist outside of Russia.
Now we know where generation "Z" came from. Z is for zero
ah just insult a generation of people.. that always wins support for your side.. /s
ironic i happen to be Gen Z.. because i have no interest in fighting russia over this.. i dont care about ukraine at all.. im not fighting and dying for any country in europe.. my ancestors made that mistake.. i will not.
or zombie
Zombies
@@crocutalcorvus444 lol say people who have been spoon fed a narrative from the intelligence agencies that lied us into iraq.. yeah im gonna go ahead and not trust the CIA or american deep state.
Excellent
I admire Elena!