That Time Sega Released THREE Sonic Games in One Day
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Welcome to Now in the 90s, where we rewind the clock exactly 30 years ago to see what new video games had just released! This week we had three Sonic games! Sonic CD, Sonic Spinball and Sonic Chaos!
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Editor: Dylan Lawrence
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#retro #retrogaming #sonic - Hry
The Sonic SATAM (SATurday morning "AM") cartoon was my favorite. I loved the darker tone overall, and the emphasis on a more sinister, evil, dangerous and threatening Jim Cummings Dr Robotnik, and the fight for survival of themselves and the planet led by Sonic and the Freedom Fighters. Of course, I was also a fan of the comics, and grew up in the Captain Planet, Fern Gully, Once Upon A Forest, Free Willy, save the planet/whales/rainforests, environmentalist era, so that may have had something to do with those themes really setting in deep for me. Somehow it feels just as relevant now as it was then, if not more so.
Hail SATAM!!
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
Two cartoon kids shows from the 90's that delved into accrual drama, "Batman, the Animated Series" , and "Sonic SAT AM." My understanding of drama and tragedy first accrued from watching those shows as a child.
@@cptkilgoreand commercials about dinosaurs telling us to "recycle, reduce, reuse and close the loop."
The show was also set for a reveal that Mobius was Earth after atomic annihilation-but this never happened since the show was pulled after season two.
6:19 Sonic CD's North American Manual may have tried to relabel Amy Rose as Princess Sally, but Sonic Spinball ACTUALLY HAD HER in the first bonus stage, along with the rest of the Freedom Fighters from the Saturday Morning Sonic cartoon. Admittedly, it was the earliest, magenta fur with dark hair version of Princess Sally, seen only in the pilot episode of the show and the earliest issues of the accompanying Archie Comic, but given the compressed development cycle for the game, I can't fault them for not updating the sprite to her later more well known brown fur and red hair look.
Sally also had that look in "Sonic's Shoes Blues", a stand alone kids book that came out in '93.
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
Editor Dylan coming in and being a real Lifesaver during this sonic segment.
that said though, one of those corrections, I don't think that's right. Sonic SatAM never had 'adventures' in its title, did it? If it did, it was only on like, the project docket or something, it sure wasn't in the titles.
@@KairuHakubi 1:55 It's the SHOW TIMES that Jared mixed up, not the names. The "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" was that Looney Toons esque series ON WEEKDAY AFTERNOONS, while the more serious one, simply called "Sonic the Hedgehog" or "Sonic SatAM" was what aired on SATURDAY MORNINGS. There is nothing wrong with editor Dylan's corrections.
@@garfieldcat007 oh i didn't even catch that. So Dylan could have instead corrected the day part, instead of saying "no, _Adventures_ was the one on weekdays." which confused me.
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
@@Bfkcjscbsnjc i've got another accusation you might not be so keen to repeat: _gossip._
As a person who watches this at work while eating lunch, I appreciate the edit of the Jaguar commercial.
It's hard to rip on something meant to help abused kids, but Jaleel White, best known for playing Steve Urkel, playing both animated Sonics and doing that Sonic Sez PSA about how touching you in a place you don't want is "no good" is something I can't stop being amused by. It's such a weird cross section of pop culture and good intentions that comes off like a bit.
It wasn't good intentions, but rather legislation that required children's shows to feature a minimum amount of "educational" content, resulting in most cartoons featuring similar segments in every episode at the time.
Technically, Sonic 2, 3 & Knuckles and Spinball were all developed in America at STI. Both American and Japanese staff members worked on Sonic 2, then Yuji Naka, frustrated with his American co-workers (due to language barrier and different working ethics) demanded that the Japanese staff members would work on the next mainline Sonic game without the help of Americans and to keep the American staff busy, Sega told them to make a separate Sonic spin-off game for Christmas 1993 which became Sonic Spinball.
Also, the reason Sonic 3 wouldn't be ready for Christmas 1993 was because Sega of America made a promotional deal with McDonald's and the investors gave Sega a deadline to make Sonic 3 which was February 1994, which naturally meant that the game would miss the holiday season of 1993 anyway.
And to make matters more complicated, Sonic 3 was originally planned to be more 3D, with isometric view for the stages and Sonic being made of polygons, which would've been made possible with the help of the Hitachi SH-1 chip (aka the Sega Virtua Processor, the same used in the Genesis port of Virtua Racing) and the team started planning out the game as early as January 1993 but its development had to be halted and scrapped in June when Sega of Japan told the team that the SVP chip wouldn't be ready and available for them to use on time, which meant the team had to start everything over from scratch (though the isometric view would still end up getting reused in later games like Sonic Labyrinth and especially Sonic 3D Blast which also reused some of Sonic 3's music) and because the game had to be ready to be printed on cartridges by November, the team decided to use their Sonic 2 engine and just make a more refined Sonic 2, which they later would end up splitting in two parts because it got too big for the standard Genesis cartridge and there wasn't enough time left to get everything done for February 1994. Once they got a portion of the game playable, they got it shipped as Sonic 3 for February and then the team continued to work on the rest of it until summer. The result: Sonic & Knuckles, compatible with Sonic 3 through Lock-On Technology (TM) to give you the complete Sonic 3 experience.
And that's not even covering the subject of Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3's soundtrack. But for that I recommend you to check out Sonic Retro. info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3/Development/Music
I hope my comment helped you guys in some way. Love the stuff you make. Anyway, see you in three months! ;)
Sonic 3's development is the DEFINITION of Development Hell lol
@@thestripedmenace I thought Sonic X-treme was. Or Duke Nukem Forever.
The more I learn about Sega's downfall, the more I realize what their main problem was: being overly ambitous. Every project had to be the next major step in technology and home entertainment. Nintendo on the other hand just kept things sweet and simple: save the tech for the next gen.
@@ScatterbrainPeteman duke nukem forever!!!
That's an incredible story, and makes me love Sonic 3 & Knuckles even more. I love that they're always released as the whole package nowadays, because that is how they were intended to be.
Sega really said "Fun is infinite" that day
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
@@Bfkcjscbsnjcdamn did he hurt your feelings or sum
@@Bfkcjscbsnjc That's got nothing to do with the other person's comment.
@@ThePkmnYPerson thing is I don't really care if it is or not. I still said it.
That "where did you learn to fly?!" line brings back some fond avgn memories 😊
What's an AVGN?
Is he some sort of angry nerd who plays video games or something?
"Where did YOU learn to be an asshole?!"
@@MCDexpoA Vagina ?
@@MCDexpoAudio Visual Geological Network
Adaptive Virtual Game Neurolink
Fun fact: Sonic Chaos is called Sonic and Tails in Japan. For that matter, Sonic Triple Trouble was called Sonic and Tails 2 in Japan
I agree on how bad Trevor McFur in the Crescent Galaxy is and I will never be happy with the fact that it is one of the few Jaguar games on the "Atari 50: The Anniversary Celebration" collection...
Mecha Green Hill Zone from Sonic Chaos is one of those HIDDEN JAM ALERTS!
12:55 I was literally mid-bite, thank you, Dylan!
Hope you all had a fine Thanksgiving/November!
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I'm glad we got two soundtracks for Sonic CD cause I think they're both great
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
@@Bfkcjscbsnjc Nobody cares
I really like that the Steam/PS3/XBox version of Sonic CD allows you to pick which soundtrack you prefer. Strange how Sonic Origins doesn't have that feature, though I'm happy since it has the American soundtrack which I love.
It’s Sonic season baby
I checked out the Pink Goes to Hollywood soundtrack and it's actually pretty neat. Different variation on the classic PPanther theme for each level, sometimes only recognizable from one or two riffs.
30 years later, Sonic Spinball's boss music is the number one song from my childhood that I'm most likely to wake up with stuck in my head. Love that grimy sewer sound they had going.
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
Yeah! Spinball's soundtrack is severely underrated... It just has that weird harsh raspy GEMS sound which, tbh, is part of its charm
@@Bfkcjscbsnjc Who?
My only complaint about this show is that it started in 2022, instead of 2020. I highly doubt it, but I really hope you guys will make episodes for those years... maybe sprinkled in from time to time.
Not since Battletoads back in June have was seen a single character take up all three major release slots in the episode.
Incidentally, I love both the Jp and English music tracks for Sonic CD.
1993 was a MASSIVE year for Sonic. Awesome!
Being in the UK, we were lucky enough to get Sonic CD with the original Japanese soundtrack, as did Europe. Sonic - You Can Do Anything has been stuck in my head since I was a kid. The US soundtrack is also good, but it wasn't the soundtrack I grew up with, so I stick with the original when I'm playing the remasters.
First time I played it and discovered the US soundtrack was Sonic Gems Collection (or Mega Collection, given it has the opening FMV on it), so quite some time after the original release!
Sonic CD was part of the Sega PC line of games, so I grew up with that version. The cartoon cutscenes look much better in that. I also played the American version, whose soundtrack is so special to me, I love what Spencer Nilsen and David Young did. Same goes for Howard Drossin, who did a phenomenal job on Sonic & Knuckles.
This show is so great! I look forward to it every week. This is the kind of thing G4 should have been with their reboot. You guys are doing great.
I cannot believe the Sonic Spinball commercial has Bonehead by Naked City playing, that is SUCH a bizarre deep cut song choice that I would NEVER recognize had I not seen Funny Games.
"Where did I learn to fly", NOOOOOO! That game is...creepy.
As a kid, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom made me afraid of lava. The second stage of Sonic Spinball is the Lava Powerhouse in which Sonic can plummet to a lava-y death if allowed to slip between the flippers. I was not amused by this (but still enjoyed the game anyway).
1:48 "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" might have been planned to run afternoons, but some channels have shown it's original run in the morning.
Syndication scheduling can be that messy at times then as now. The weird syndication scheduling might be why planned programmes would be delivered a day prior.
I always watched it in the morning. It was my before-school show until Pokemon started airing.
Didn't this guy cheat on his wife and try to blindly white knight for a charity fraudster?
@@BfkcjscbsnjcNot sure how this relates to the comment.
As for what you're asking, that was drama ginned up by a woman who believed that Jared scorned her.
@@Code7Unltd So he got caught now it's her word against his? Gotcha.
Amy Rose didn't actually "debut" on Sonic CD per se. She was a character in a manga originally. Charmy the Bee of Knuckles Chaotix fame was also from that same manga. In contrast, Sally Acorn is the name of the squirrel that pops out of robots in Sonic 1 & 2. So in other words, Sally & Amy effectively switched places in life. One started in games but is mainly known in comics, the other the opposite.
Temporarily disengage from the virtual realm and venture into the tangible environment to reacquaint yourself with the elemental essence of nature.
@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 hahaha damn bro 😂
Dylan, nice shout out to Mass Effect. I cracked up 😂
Don't worry Dylan. I know what chicken with a pulley in the middle you're talking about. We'll leave it at that XD
I always wondered if there was another game that changed its soundtrack when it came to the US. Now I know, and it was released on the same week
The Japanese theme to Sonic CD was great too, particularly the part that goes "toot, toot Sonic warrior" I always imagine every Sonic character ever dancing with their rears towards the viewer as if they all were about to fart my way. Yes, I never fully matured.
Sonic Spinball was always one of my favorite games on the Genesis. Was it janky as hell? Yes. Was it fun? Also yes. It is a game I wish Sega would do more with.
At least Metroid Pinball kept the torch for this kind of game burning.
I know that this is an unpopular opinion but I liked Mario Pinball Land.
I understand the idea of not covering arcades because there are too many games, but I think some exceptions should be made: the SF2 iterations. SF was huge back then, and since having the best home version was one of the main objectives of owning a console, knowing the original games is important to contextualize it.
5:35 I recognize that noise from Super Mario 64 after getting the metal cap for the first time
I had the privilege to have gotten a Game Gear for Christmas before Sonic came out for it, even though it was promised as part of the package. I had Columns until then, so I filled out the card and sent it in and months later when it did come, it was quite a moment. I did nothing else that weekend. I didn't yet have a Genesis, see. I think I played Mortal Kombat on Game Gear before I played it on any 16-bit console, but that's another story.
Jared and Dylan are always killing it with the puns!😂😂😂
@1:45 Dylan saves the day... Er week! Because if he didn't point out the correction I was going to point it out
I got spinball and Chaos for xmas that year. I only recently beat Spinball via NSO with the rewind feature...uncle had Sonic CD, and I always loved visiting to play it. I had no idea about the differing soundtracks until years later. It might be nostalgia, but I slightly prefer the american soundtrack, especially Present Tidal Tempest
I love Sonic Spinball ❤
Ah Sanic/Sonic. I loved the Saturday morning and weekday cartoons. I’ve even played the og trilogy. Good times. 😃
I remember waiting for sonic chaos so bad. My birthday is in December and I had the game gear but not the genesis, so being able to get a sonic game without having to go to a friend’s house was everything to me!! Great episode as always!!
Great to see that this episode was all about Sonic The Hedgehog, that little guy alone really brought so much nostalgia and popularity for Sega's arsenal against Nintendo's Mario.
I didn't fully understand that the Archie Sonic comic was a different canon to the games(which should've stayed the case but Sonic fans had to influence Sega into trying and failing to make everything the same canon), so when I beat Sonic Spinball for the first(and I think only) time, I legit thought that was related to issue 50 where Robotnik was "ultimately annihilated."
Needless to say, I was wrong, but I was still confused that Robotnik survived Spinball.
I don't know why, but that "enough schlock" at 14:09 always makes me laugh for some reason 🤣
This has been a fun sonic minute. My Uncle used to babysit us as little kids and would bring his Sega over. He had just bought his Sega CD addon with Sonic CD. The first time we saw the camera shift to behind Sonic as he went up that ramp was mind blowing. A video game in the third dimension!
Sonic CD fun fact the animated intro was made by toei animation, the same studio that did anime’s Dragon Ball, saint seiya, one piece and sailor moon
I knew Sega released those 3 Sonic games that year but I had no idea they released all 3 of them on the same day. Wow! And I've played all 3 of them.
Spinball is underrated. It can be a hard game but really fun
IMO, it feels more like a game that would awesome in the arcade(no surprise considering it's pinball), where they could really push the graphics. As a console game...very repetitive and not that fun IMO
Spinball apologist here. I will defend it vigorously. Unless you're talking about the options theme, in which case go nuts.
Eugghhhh it's not a good Sonic game, and it's too zoomed in and janky and slow to be a good pinball game
@@aortaplatinum I have to agree with you. It was the first Sonic game I ever played so I had a lot of nostalgia for it... until I replayed it on the Genesis Mini 1, and yes it's a mess. The game could have been a solid pinball video game if it was delayed into 1994 to work out the problems.
I like that we can make it a 60 FPS game by overclocking the CPU either by using real hardware with an upgraded X68000 or emulation, it makes the game more enjoyable.
Savaged Regime remade the first stage music with its own sound driver, instead of the original, which I believe is GEMS for this game, it sounds incredible and the 30 seconds loop isn't an issue there as he lengthened the music, which is something that I still believe will improve in the future once all tracks are redone and the game supports MD+.
The ice cream truck Sonic popsicle 🤣🤣🤣
Editor Dylan cutting short the commercial saved my breakfast. Thanks!
Sonic Spinball...my first video game. I cannot believe I came to love games as much as I do because that game is a punishment...
I watched both of those Sonic cartoons. Loved them both, but the nittier grittier one was my favorite of the two.
Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was actually the weekday morning show, and Sonic the Hedgehog was the Saturday morning show.😁
I appreciate you Editor Dylan/Dillon/Dellen.
Sonic Spinball blew imo and i had Sonic Chaos on Master System it was good enough. So much Sonic in the early 90s he was everywhere giving Mario a run for his Money.
Admittedly, the first time I played Sonic CD was through Sonic Origins. It's truly one of the best. Also, learning that it took place before Sonic 2 was a nice touch as well. Makes sense as well, and definitely helped me understand that the robot sonic before Robotnik in Sonic 2 wasn't metal Sonic. Live and learn!
At the time I always thought the Sonic 2 robot sonic was Metal Sonic prototype.
The confusion of Metal Sonic vs Mecha Sonic haunts me to this day
@@Mystik3eb And it's all SEGA of America's fault
I still love this, each and every week.
So glad I brought Sonic CD in my PS3. It allows you to play as Tails and lets you choose between the japanese and the American soundtrack.
And I got the Sonic Origins Plus game where you can also play as Knuckles… and Amy in Sonic CD. Surreal isn’t it!
Yeah I have it for PS3 too, my first time ever playing the game. I'm probably the minority, but I prefer the JPN soundtrack aside from a few tracks
Truly a Sonic week. Also, we're only 2-3 weeks away from the release of Doom.
3 Sonic games on 1 day. Then for the Saturn....uh wtf happened here?! Never ceases to amaze me at that ridiculousness.
Man that sonic boom song was a bop.
Dylan: I do not like going thru rings, but I am glad that it is over.
Superman 64: Hold my beer.
Luckily that's in almost six years, so we'll definitely have shinier, nicer rings to fly through before then!
That was a good episode. I remember playing all three Sonic games this week on compilations.
Yes! Been waiting all day for this!!
You are underrated so much due to the quality of your production is unbelievable
It sorta helps that he had another channel with almost a million subs for the last decade. Lol
Just found out about this channel. Thanks for this. Nothing better than to escape the bitter pill of today than a trip back to these good times!
I totally fell for that Basketball Game misdirection.
Sonic Spinball nearly caused a fight back in Christmas of 93. My mom had got it for me that year, go to my Grandma's (on my dad's side) house and lo and behold...so did she.
Neither backed down as they didn't and still care for one another and an actual argument broke out on which copy I would keep. Also look up and listen to the options music on your headphones. Full volume. Just do it. Nothing bad will happen and you won't immediately regret it.
I love both Sonic CD soundtracks and the game looks great but the level design is far too experimental to be considered good in my eyes, let alone the best Sonic game like so many other people seem to think. As a kid, I didn't play Spinball often but I tried every now and then. Trying to bounce on top of the Clucks in Lava Powerhouse was INFURITATINGLY hard. Never played Sonic Chaos until I was a teen but I remember liking it well enough.
Of the three games that the blue blur unleashed this week, the one that I'm least familiar with is Sonic Chaos, aka Sonic & Tails. I do have a Game Gear which was bought used in the late 90s, but I didn't get Chaos, but instead 8-bit Sonic 1&2. Spinball is one of those I played in kiosk form alot, and in 1995/6 for the holiday season I would get for the PC, Sonic CD built for windows 95. I still have that CD, but have since rebought it on Steam, Google play, and as part of Origins. The repurchases all using the exact same code from that 2011 Fan rebuild. That rebuild would be the reason why we have the games Sonic Mania and the upcoming at the time of this video's release, Penny's Big Breakaway. Thanks Taxman, You really did good.
14:34 "…and we'll call the ship Normandy."
Uh, you know the ship is called the Silver Hawk, right?
I’d like to give my thanks to you guys for keeping this show rocking week in week out. You brighten my weekend every week!
Not gonna lie, loved the "where did I learn to fly" segway.
Really like this videos, appreciate the time you take to put these together
I may not have been old enough at the time to comprehend this marketing blitz, but I really enjoy watching these to get an idea and take it all in. 3 Sonics in one day. Highly ambitious, I must say. Good way to settle the Thanksgiving feast.
The Game Gear versions of Sonic were just named similarly. They’re completely different games from the Genesis versions. Case in point, the second game has hang gliding.
In all fairness to the SNES, the arcade machine of Steel Talons had 5 CPUs from 4 different manufacturers with 4 of those CPUs being faster than the CPU in the SNES and that isn't touching on the sound chips. The arcade machine had an analog stick, an analog collective, AND analog tail rotor pedals along with the two different weapons fire buttons and view change button and a force feedback seat. There was simply no way for ANY platform to properly replicate it at home when it was made. It was 3D polygon game that just threw gobs of CPU power at it to do the math at a time when nobody had released dedicated 3D graphics chipsets yet. There were several ill advised home ports and they all stunk compared to the arcade. They even canceled the Jaguar port and that was Atari porting their own game.
HOLY CRAP, IS LUNAR GETTING A SPOTLIGHT NEXT WEEK??!?!?...*cough*...sorry, the end teaser got me unnecessarily hyped for a second...
Sonic CD is a mess but my favorite Sonic game ever (also my favorite Sonic soundtrack with the Japanese OST), Spinball is whatever, and Chaos I’d say is the best 8-bit Sonic game next to the first 8-bit Sonic game, but it’s better on the Master System than the Game Gear.
Also, the box art for Cosmic Spacehead used in the end was the Master System version, not the Genesis version.
Flying through rings is okay for a minigame. As the primary gameplay loop, which is what it is in Superman 64, it's a sin.
Super nova sounded more darius then gradius. Not kidding even the ship looked like the darius series.
As a person who watches these videos with dinner, I personally love you for cutting that advert. I enjoy wrestling videos but they still don't seem to understand I don't need to see bret hart spit on vince mcmahon for the 500th time. We've all seen the montreal screwjob. Also, good job on the correct pronuncation of jaguar, you nailed it.
and enjoy the turkey coma, brother.
Hey I just saw the GTV japan video about the sonic mania day history, really good stuff
Sonic Spinball was one of the games I owned as a child on the Genesis. I could never get pass from level 2. Also I didn't know at the moment that the characters from Sonic SatAm made cameos on the bonus level
Did you know that in 2001, THQ and Nickelodeon made 4 unique games based off the show Rocket Power? There were Gettin’ Air for the GBC, Team Rocket Rescue for PS1, Extreme Arcade Games for the PC and Dream Scheme for the GBA. Four unique games for one show in one year. An impressive number for 2001.
I could beat any sonic game pretty quickly when I was a kid. I think sonic 3 & knuckles combined I got down to around an hour. Just odd that the 30 minute play time of sonic chaos came up.
That Biometal cliffhanger had me going 😡
Cortana: "Where did you learn to fly?"
Master Chief: "STFU, Cortana."
Pink Panther on Sega/SNEs is good but Pink Panther: Pinkadelic Pursuit for PS1, PC and GBA is way better and entertaining. I highly recommend it to Dylan.
I fucking love these videos, thank you guys. Great work as always. 🍻
I remember playing Sonic on a friend's Game Gear, it was very easy until the hang glider level, my little baby brain couldn't figure it out and was basically a softlock for me! 😅
Ah, the day Sega tripled down on Sanic, what a day 😅 thanks for the episode! 👍🏼
Sonic Spinball was one of the first major home console games to be written in a high level language -- C. Normally due to memory and CPU power constraints, video games were written directly in assembly language for whatever CPU the console has -- 68000 assembly for the Genesis, 65c816 (extended 6502) assembly for the SNES, etc. The 68000, however, was a relatively easy target to write C code for, as fairly powerful computers including early Macs, the Amiga, and some Unix workstations also used it. So using C sped up the development process of Spinball, but it's also one of the reasons why Spinball ran at 30fps max. C code just couldn't be optimized to run as fast as hand-tuned assembly.
I still have my original, launch-day copy of Sonic Spinball. And after thirty years and many, MANY attempts, I have still only beaten it once.
I look forward to these videos. 🙌
Now in the 90s so many great memories relived
SEGA not owning the main theme to Sonic the Hedgehog is like.. Nintendo not owning the main theme to Super Mario Bros. I'm being reductive on purpose here; that is ridiculous negligence on behalf of SEGA's lawyers. That's pretty shocking, I think, even to people who are just passively familiar with the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise.
I never actually played a Sonic game (I don't like being rushed, lol) but MAN was I was a fan of the Sonic cartoons and comics when I was a kid. Actually, as popular as the characters from those were I'm surprised the likes of Princess Sally never showed up in the games eventually.
In the American manual, they said that Amy Rose was actually Princess Sally and she's on Sonic Spinball on the bonus stages along with Bonnie and Rotor.
which sonic cartoon did you like more, the "gritty" one or the wacky one? I Slightly preferred the wacky one, cause it was on more, and they actually had a chaos emerald arc. but StAM had the better music
@@thecunninlynguist I remember liking them both pretty equally but if I had to choose I probably leaned more towards the one with Sally because I really liked the characters.
I need Jerd's "...pretty good??" face as a stamp I can apply to things.