I play Vintage, because I cannot afford Standard: Part II
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- The original video (Part I) from May of 2017
• I play Vintage Magic, ...
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The main collection organization tool I use for the whole collection.
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The website I referred to for the price tracking of a whole set of Beta.
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I understand your point, but I enjoy playing Magic, be it Standard or Modern or Pre Modern, Legacy etc, whereas you worry about the value you’re losing. I’m having fun, you’re looking at 💰💵💷💰. Suppose it’s all personal opinion and objectives. Glad you’re back up and running.
Thanks for adding this comment. I should really have been more clear about this.
What you are doing is 100% great. I have NO issues with it. My major point is not that everybody should only focus on value and not what they like to play the most... rather I don't want people to be mislead into thinking money they spend on new cards is just as "safe" as money put into old cards. It's clearly not.
I suppose you could relate my message to somebody buying a nice Porsche. You don't do it as an investment, you do it KNOWING that it will lose value but you value the fun more. That's really what I'm getting at and I should have been more clear about that.
glad to see you back on this channel!
Thank you so much for sticking with me and coming back as well! More content coming up.
Yay, Edwin the Magic Engineer is back and better than ever!!
Hooray, Edwin, you're back! It's all thanks to you and your video of playing Old School on Skype that I got into 93/94.
Hi Phil! It's very good to see you here! I'm so glad you got into Old School and you are still active with it. It's still my favorite format and I've been playing it a lot in the last couple years. The break from videos was nice honestly.
I havent bought a card in 2 years and I take a new deck to 93/94 meetup all the time. I can cash out for more than I paid on 90%+ of my cards. Youre absolutely right.
Honestly now, what is better then a favorite hobby where you get to have fun for decades, do or take breaks when you want, be casual or very active, and if you ever get out you MAKE money? This is a rare thing.
mtg works because it has a healthy population on players and collectors. i generally measure the 1y future of mtg in terms of player growth. many collectors think they are exclusively players while they pimp out their edh deck pretending a full art foil is an investment. that's more correctly described as collecting imo. investing in mtg is fun but as it is correlated with markets, loses some diversification power.
cheap way to play vintage: MTGO
cheap way to play STD: arena.
paper magic has much more going for it thanks to collectors, investors and players all participating in the market; like a healthy ecology with diverse flaura/ fauna.
Great post, lots of truth here. I fully agree that decking out your EDH is more collecting then investing. WoTC has made it pretty clear they will reprint and steal market equity from any card they are allowed to.
Hey Eddie! Great to see you again! I completely agree with your logic through both videos. (I still have the awesome playmat and 3d Psychatog I got from you back in Portland.)
Very cool! Say hello to P-town for me. Is Rainy Day Games and Guardian Games still going strong out there?
Working towards completing my playset of Volcs for Legacy. Never been more certain of a decision
I 100% agree that's a great decision and the right time to do it. The data seems to be telling me we hit a bottom and all that stuff is likely to be stable and eventually start going up again.
Yes yes yes!!!! 🎉 so true! Alwais upgrade your collection this is the direction! Step by step! Thanks Ed!
Thanks Alberto, good to see you
Good to see him back
Thanks so much for sticking with me, more content coming!
Like i always say, i play legacy because i can't afford standard. Folks where saying that i'm crazy. 2 years later they drop playing magic because they can't afford new standard decks, while i'm still playing with the same deck 12 years later
Exactly this. I find it works for any eternal format that allows those 1993-1997 original prints and RL cards.
Great video
Thanks bro. I've been enjoying your content as well. Thanks for making it.
Welcome back brother👍
thanks so much brother-prepper. We prep too BTW, it's just a smart thing to do in these crazy times.
dropping words of wisdom Edwin!
I sure hope so. I'm trying to be accountable for what I said in the past and give my best viewpoint for the future. I feel that not nearly enough influencers or what ever you want to call them are not accountable for their previous statements these days.
Be careful with those mtggoldfish prices -- they are missing some cards as there is no recent market data on them in some of the less common sets. Many of them are big ticket cards -- e.g. right now there's no price for Underground Sea, Mox Pearl, Mox Sapphire, and, obviously, Crusade (which finding U.S. market data is difficult.).
All true! I should make a video about this stuff and my current method of figuring out prices
I've noticed the lack of sale but don't understand why, care to elaborate?
@@ericliu8488 To my knowledge MTG Goldfish gets their prices from TCG player and Ebay at least, perhaps more.
Well the original ABU+4 Horsemen sets are so expensive that they don't transact much on TCG Player. So they fall off the 6 month rotating data set. Making their apparent price 0 for no data. This screws up all averages and pricing methods that are automated.
Also sometimes TCG Player sellers will list a card for crazy money, like a Beta Mind Twist that was listed for 900k or something and threw off every price model.
Ebay listings have more sales, but those are so nuanced you gotta look close. A CE Mox Jet auction may say "Beta" in the title, but in the description and pictures it's clarified to be CE. But if a crawler data collection bot grabs that data it might take a price for a Beta Mox Jet as $600 for the CE version. So those need to be filtered.
That's part of the issue, it goes a lot deeper. I should make a video.
Hi Edwin, l love listening to you talk about anything concerning mtg. Glad you are back!
Question: How can you make sure that new and young players are going to replace the older generation? Is todays generation going to be interested in collecting and playing paper magic in the future (specifically with vintage cards)? Are they willing to spend the same amount of dollars on something „old and, perhaps, forgotten“?
Thanks for the kind words!
That's a really good question that needs to be addressed. Nothing is 100% but I do have a solid belief/perspective and it's based on verifiable facts. I should make a video on it because a lot of people are wondering the same thing. Coming up...
Edwin your back missed you
Thanks so much for sticking with me, more content on the way!
I play Old School because I can't / don't want to keep up with the rapid fire rotation that wotc releases and invest in things that can be tanked in value due to constant reprinting.
I also don't want to keep trying to continue to identfy 50 different variants from across the table.
I agree wholeheartedly on accumulating the older stuff or rare pieces. Long game, as they say.
I said this same thing years ago! Yet in 2018 I tried Standard again and gave up after 2 years because I couldn't keep up.
I tried the same thing many times and always came to the same conclusion
This is totally me.
you and me brother
hes back
Oh no, I hate that guy. Edwin is a goof.
Best video title ever 😂 but its kinda true
lol
Yeah it honestly is true. I think you can make a solid case that anything you put your money into and later get the same money back... or MORE money back was not "spending money". It was closer to investing, but with MTG you get to play with your new assets.
What a great deal that is, what a rare deal that is.
That picture of you, Rudy and Openboosters in the top right is hilarious lol. Did your wife paint it? (not a wife joke, isn't she a talented painter?)
That was painted by a fan that was watching the 4 of us do videos on Alpha Investments. When we were talking about the “Bearscape” card that artwork was inspired.
Yeah my wife is an artist with paintings on her Instagram channel happily.ever.arts
Also, gotta say you are aging well bro. Looking like a SIlver Fox as they say (no homo)
Very kind of you to say
Are you sure the "Complete Set" numbers you are showing are an apples-to-apples to comparison? Are you sure the current complete set metric doesn't include all the showcase/etc extra versions that would mean some cards have 2-4 versions instead of only one each like Ixalan?
Great question. I think it does include that stuff BUT that's still in the scope of my point. People always want the cool stuff, there is a belief that the rare/cool cards are the ones that will hold/gain value. If you could literally tell every Standard player tomorrow that EVERY $100 card they bought will go to $1 in two years... nearly none of them would keep buying them.
That is exactly the point I'm trying to make here. Spending your money on NEW cards is a terrible plan for holding value. If you want your value to remain... go buy the OLD cards. Reprints will crush the value of new/cool stuff. That has already been priced in to the old stuff for the most part.
Your question was great and it highlights exactly the point I'm trying to make :)
Wheres the foils?
in the Cupboard with the rest of the Pringles
Reserve list is still intact ... do we forget Magic 30th?
Did you know as a matter of fact and record that MTG 30th absolutely did not break the Reserved List?
Did you also know in my videos years ago I directly told the entire MTG Community that a reprint of CE was absolutely possible without breaking the RL?
side question... who told you that MTG 30th broke the Reserved List?
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer Reserved list was broken one million times, they added and removed cards from the Reserved list a lot of times. Demonic Tutor was in the reserved list years and years, when they wanted it was removed. In any moment they can remove whatever they want.
MTG 30th damaged Wizards's credibility as collector game, thats a fact.
@@analiacartelle1115 removing uncommons that were so plentiful the RL could not protect their price was a move to tighten the Reserve List. Not weaken it.
They used the foil card loophole a tiny bit, got burned, then promised to not do that again. Again, tightening the RL promise.
Cards being added to it for years also did not break the RL, it expanded it.
Then for the next 20 years Mark Rosewater kept promising not to reprint CE. Not a RL, promise, just Rosewater talking out his ass. I made a video in like 2018 saying they CAN reprint CE. That’s exactly what MTG 30th is and I called it with proof.
Those are the facts.
Rudy has hype up magic as an "investment." Magic collectibles have been continuously declining from its ATH. Occasionally, you'll get some people to dump money when bitcoin jumps. But in the next 3 years there is going to be a recession. Magic is done as an investment. Just enjoy the game and don't spend stupid amount money.
I can certainly appreciate that you feel like this, but it's just not what I see moving forward. In fact, looking back at history I see the opposite. I think the recession you are referring to in Magic cards has already happened and we are now coming out of it. You are literally 2 years late on that prediction.
Financial Markets might go through a recession... but every time the free market TRIES to do that and reset to real value... the banks/governments drop rates, print cash, forgive debt, and do bailouts. ANYTHING to prevent reality setting in. Have you not CLEARLY observed that's what they are doing since 2008? So if you are just willing to believe they will keep doing that... where does that lead us to?
The answer is inflation. Massive inflation.
And just what do societies do as they head into their 2nd, 3rd, 4th wave of inflation (not the first, that one always surprises people)... they start parking their money in STUFF not MONEY. Things that survive inflation. I think that is EXACTLY where we are headed. Please note, I'm agreeing that we SHOULD have a recession... but they won't let it happen. They will destroy the value of the dollar to prevent that and run us straight into inflation. I think big money will seek rare assets and this stuff will SKYROCKET. Not tank.
At the very least, I hope you can acknowledge that what I just said makes a ton of sense. Whether or not that's how it plays out... that's the guess. But I believe it so much I'm putting my money on that future.
Hilarious title. Does a current "set" include things like alt art and foil treatments? I'm not so sure about the 10Y prospectus. Oldheads are the main folks that care, WOTC has disenfranchised a lot of them (Sorcery TCG seemingly picking up a lot of the migration), and reprints are always an extra possibility.
Definitely a concern I hear a lot. Good reasons to wonder about it too. I don’t personally worry about it and perhaps I should do a video as to why
Yeah, to the point of the price of a standard set today there is so many different variations of the card that you do. Need multiple versions of the same card to get a set now which is why the price is so much higher versus the price of a standard set seven years ago.something that should be addressed. I know you say it would be higher to get a place that will asset probably does come with a place of every card for that price I’m sure.
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@@justinmorine6662 That is true but it solidifies the point I'm making. People buying new cards are being told that those special versions are expensive because they will have more future market value. That's just not true and there's now data making it clear. Money is much better spent on the old cards if you want to retain value.
im not entirely sure that i agree with "mtg prices are going down". over the past 4 years ; it just went up. mind you; my collection is roughly between 2020-2023.
The old original print 1993-1997 cards absolutely went down over the last year. I'm really not sure what you are looking at that says they didn't.
What are you looking at?
@@EdwintheMagicEngineer im not talking about vintage. im saying ; cards in the eldraine block; have risen in price. but im also talking about the low end cards . some might have gone up a few cents; but hey. its still up. plus i have a collection of over 10k cards. on tcg player i watch my value. considering i only spent roughly about $2k dollars of just buying here and there. mainly ikoria prerelease kits ; etc. the average value on tcgplayer says $6300. so that is 3x . but took 4 years to get there. i never spend more than 2 dollars at most for a card. and when i do buy. i buy in foil.i cant speak for people who buy at the "high end" ; then complain why their overall value has tanked.
@@ChickenMcThiccken Ok, you are talking about new cards. Side note, 1993-1997 is not just "vintage". Many of those cards are legal in all formats, some of them only legal in certain formats. Many of them are legal in the worlds most popular format, Commander. It's not even close to accurate to label all cards printed in 1993-1997 as "Vintage"
Ok here is my statement to you... and time will tell if I'm right or not. Mind you, I've been watching this same pattern play out for 28+ years..
Every card you have that is valuable right now is a target for reprint. Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it takes years. But those cards will either rotate OUT of the supported formats (and WoTC does that by design...) or WoTC will hit those cards with reprints.
I'm fully aware some new cards will go up in value for some time, but what I'm definitely saying is that is temporary. In some number of years, you will see.
Or you could just look back at the 30 years of historical record and easily see it for yourself right now.
i think reprints are going to end and they're going to focus solely on digital only. meaning no more mtg in print. by 2030 100% full digital.@@EdwintheMagicEngineer