Paragliding, Full stalls, SATs and failed reserve deployment!
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Last day of SIV week with Free Flight Academy
Did 4 full stalls for the first time followed by attempted SAT
Messed up the first SAT and managed to recover, not so the second one. (The last bit is slowed down by 50% to show problem better) also the last few seconds of inflight clip missing as camera got wet and did not save it and also ruined the camera
Well, I'm glad THAT music goes thru your mind when you're tumbling.
Horrible 70s TV music. "You can do it Mork!"
Read the comments and most are unhelpful... I try to help from 2000 hours ...You have a window of opportunity to throw reserve before autorotation... if you are good with backfly do it immediately if not... then deploy immediately... see how your thinking that ‘I got it’ meant the reserve never opened ... btw ‘I got this’ is totally cool in SIV over water...well over land and on a more aggressive wing than the low B u were flying, it would not open at all... so learn to backfly and remember you got a window of time... small but defining time period before autorotation commences... over land it’s critical to be assertive in timing... flying is all feeling ...and feeling is all timing
very well said man!
I`m glad it was a fairly soft landing mate :-) Thanks for posting the video.
That "not like learning to play hockey..." analogy lost most of us south of the border. Seriously though, ADM takes a lifetime to hone. When you pursue aviation as a career, at some point you forfeit the luxury of saying "I'm not going tonight". Far more importantly, you learn (sometimes the hard way) to incorporate the safest decisions within the parameters you've forced to deal with 100% of the time. Fantastic discussion, thanks for including it in your edit! When saftey is your first priority, you're doing this right.
bet you learnt a lot there mate. Go for the reserve go for the reserve go for the reserve good (take a deep breath) LOL i got a twisted sense of humour glad you were ok.
I can't stop reading the comments...May have saved a bunch of trouble by explaining that this took place in a training environment specific to both CAUSING and rectifying in flight incidents. The inversion and spin were forced by the pilot intentionally, the wing didn't want to do that to him and the weather looks to have been on his side as well not to mention being over water with a pair of rescue crafts waiting. The intention here was to first cause an incident, then recover with loads of film footage and an instructor to review and correct. Then presumably do it all over again all nice and correct thus validating skills.
So basically doing what every flight sim pilot like myself does in a flight sim, but in real life. Also parallels "spin recovery training" done in fixed wing aircraft which is maybe required for a flight instructor rating in the US? I think...somebody will surely correct me if I'm wrong. Taken without context it looks insane, but it isn't.
Is this common in flight schools?
Yes, SIV (simulating incidents in flight) is all about training yourself to deal with the extreme situations you may encounter flying a collapsible wing (a paraglider) in thermic (turbulent) conditions - hence doing it over water, wearing a life jacket, with a recovery boat nearby to retrieve you... although ending up in the water on these courses is rare
The way I see it, the reserve got stuck in the main wing because that main wing was still producing some lift and making the descent very slow. Without that main wing lift, the reserve would have passed the main wing, go above it and open like it should.
Note to myself: When main still wing produces lift, make sure to throw the reserve ABOVE the main wing or else it might be stuck in the main wing.
I should not be watching this before my first paragliding class
You actually should be. It is most dangerous and reckless to think that paragliding is easy, safe and simple (while some instructors will try to persuade you that it is, as their salary depends on new students). It is an extreme sprot where people can get injured and killed, and you should understand this 100% before starting. Watching crash videos may help you and save your life one day (even by making you abandon the idea of taking this sport).
You should not being doing it if you are enough intelligent. I was so stupid. Flying 28 years and almost kill me and a passenger
@@JediPhilosopher You could say the same thing about driving. It's perfectly safe as long as you respect the element that you are in. With that said - cars do sometimes collide.
Hurr durr, i dont want to understand consequences because it hurts my fee fees!!! Let me guess, you don’t wear a condom either mr. ignorance is bliss?
@@Starfightingf104 Many people para glide their entire lifes without a major accident, and btw this was a video of him doing advanced maneuvers this isn't just riding around having fun. And he lived of course cause even if your reserve chute doesn't open all the way your wing still provides alot of drag.
Pulled to earth by the weight of his cast iron balls
f' that! I would be glad i hit the water to wash the poop off me before anyone sees it :) Great job!!!!
Water makes sense. That woulda really hurt on land.
The stuff of nightmares, glad it was done over water.
Did anyone else watching this think purposely collapsing the wing on purpose over and over again like this was a bad idea from the start? There definitely needs to be a better reserve chute technology. A small ballistic system that gets the reserve chute clear of the lines before opening.
SecondLifeDesigner
At one time, they did use ballistic reserves. I don't know when or why they changed.
Flying with a small explosive device strapped to my bum? Nah.
SecondLifeDesigner I worked for a company 20 some years ago that built and sold one called a powered parachute, you sat in a 3 wheel trike. I did a lot of testing. I had a ballistic chute bolted to the front in case of a failure. I didn’t work there long , they moved to Florida and I heard they got somebody killed teaching them. I guess the wind came up. There trouble if it’s windy.
This was during a training to induce problems and learn how to deal with them, so to be ready if they happen during normal flight. This is why it happens over water with a safety jacket.
I believe the problem might be, for beginner, too much brake before the wing had time to harden into a spiral. That's what you want before venturing into a Sat, thus no chance of spinning the wing. Once you get better, then you know at which point to pull the wing into a Sat without first spiraling for a turn. Of course I've only spiraled, never done a Sat (yet!), so maybe I'm wrong ;)
Его счастье что на воду приводнился, запаску надо бросать в сторону вращения.
OK take a deep breath..I love you guys..
Wow this was meanfull stupid
The wing was still flying pretty well considering a giant cravat,not enough downward speed for reserve to inflate properly,also the spin was not helping..nice video!!
It can fly with only 50% of the wing but you can't counter the spin if the elevators are twisted like in this case.
I bet you "SAT" your pants on the way down haha ! :D
Pppppp
I wonder why you didn't go easy on the brakes after the first negative spin,
too little brake during SAT attempt is no harm at all,
When I flew my first SATs (self-taught) I just thought
"fly deep spirals and everytime try to give little more brake input until you know how much and when its needed"
my first negative happened after I already flew ~30 SATs.
I hope you kept on training after that incident, SATs are super relaxing and way safer then wingovers!
Hi Tom, After the first failed attempt, I should have just flown back to the beach and had another go in the afternoon, I think I was pumped up from the stalls, Would love to go back there and do another course, Still flying and loving it!
Legend! Nice work
nice show for people on the beach !!! :)
"Mr Blue Sky" - heck, when that was in the charts I was little!
That instructor is crazy!
needed a strong pump of the left brake to open the right side. Didn't.
Altitude awareness is imperative! Ad a bad reserve throw and rocks below and your day really sucks.
Is there no way to cut the main away before the reserve is used? Maybe a tiny ballistic chute that gets the reserve out a fair distance clear the of the main rig and fast maybe?
I would have ripped those headphones off...that's for shure. Man...
I love the music, is like "oh well..." I'm glad you landed fairly soft, but I'm curious, why so long to deploy the reserve?
Several reasons,
1, I could not hear the guy on the radio, (Noexcuse I know!)
2, I thought i was higher and as i was over water i thought i had some time to sort it as it was not descending that quick
3, It seemed to be quicker in real life that real time, so quite frightening to see how long i was messing around.
Big lesson learned, ie establish quick that there is a big problem, then chuck the reserve!
One thing I have seen quite a lot on youchoobery is reserves getting tangled in the wing as the lines are much shorter than the wings, wouldn't it be prudent to have a longer main line on the reserve so that the main wing can tangle up all it likes without interfering with the reserve deployment ?
or buy a base harness that has a cut away but if your gona do that follow your wing and if that fails use a reserve aswel
ELO is good music
genius throws reserve chute right into existing tangled chute
Sounds like Jocky Sanderson on the radio.
Might sound like him, but it wasn't! (I know both of them)
He should have tried pulled break on the side that was still inflated....and then threw reserve..
Sounds like Jocky over the radio
DID YOU GET YOUR RADIO FIXED ! PLEASED THAT YOU CAME OUT SAFE.
Glad your okay.
I am a bird. I am thinking. Oh shit No I am a falling rock.
🎉🎉
I've seen the video of a backpack that ejects the fly wing and deploys the reserve. It is the perfect solution for avoiding entanglement. Had that been land or rocks?
Would probably be fine, he was falling quite slowly and the harness has some shock absorbtion
That was hilarious.
love seeing this
If that was land instead of water. We won't be laughing about it
It's the reason why it is water and not land.
i would run out of trousers to soil,so this would not be for me.
Let's make that a NO.
@John Clarke which location did you go to? I'm just commencing my Club Pilot training and this looks amazing
olu deniz Turkey, I would go every year if I could!
Thanks
Malgré les twists il aurait pu tenter de tirer le frein opposé de toutes ses forces pour limiter la rotation avant de faire secours . De toutes façons, les incidents de vol provoqués par la main humaine dans des conditions météo neutres ne reflètent certainement pas la réalité d'un incident du à l'aérologie et ses conséquences. ( heureusement qu'il vole sous une aile sympa car il se serait retrouvé à l'eau depuis un bon moment) .
the more i see of these videos , the happier i am that i have a hang gliding licence.
stall recovery seems a bit iffy at the best of times.
Some one count the number of times he said Reserve
Location: Ölüdeniz, Fethiye, Turkey.
Yeap I am the turkish guy(=
meaby do another SIV?
Very impressive. sub'd
What kind of instructor is he ? He almost killed the pilot.
thank you water :)
another crazy looking for a throw away line
Ha-Ha!Thats what you get for temping fate.
Would it have been possible to recover that by grabbing the outer A line and pulling it through?
it looks pretty impossible to recover from this without a lot of strength. the force applied on the fold when moving that was is intense.
I doubt it
he was doing tricks?
The problem of dealing with a reserve when a main is out has been dealt with for a really long time and paragliders/PPG pilots shouldn't still be throwing reserves with a main wing out. The current method so many rely on is to "throw the reserve and pull in the main with their hands". I can't even tell you how absurd this is. It's asking for serious trouble.
so how would you do it?
Agreed. You MUST cut the wing away before the reserve gets deployed.
Its the same as when skydiving:
1. CUTAWAY
2. DEPLOY RESERVE
@@updatedotexe the difference with paragliding is that reserve deployment pretty often happens at low altitudes (much lower than skydiving altitudes) where you just barely have time to do a single thing. Thats why paragliding reserves differ in structure from skydiving ones: they open faster but are not indented to open from a freefall.
I agree with cut the main, then deploy the reserve. However in this case, if he cut main, he would regain momentum, and questionable how much time he had for the reserve to deploy
Happy crazy
All I can say is that I am glad I don't have to deal with all of that on a HG.
Glad you are ok!
People, don't strap yourself to flying garbage bags instead of airframes.
SFTU would you kindly ?
@@booketoiles1600
Very nice...
Yes, Let's not talk about this so more people walk in into a sport unknowingly, great tactic!
Never seen this comment before lol. I'd much rather fly a responsive PG that warns me than risk a tuck on a HG - all the best
Esse tipo de paraquedas deveria ser proibido , os maiores acidentes que ocorrem, é com esse modelo, de repente o vento da uma quebrada em uma das bordas pondo em risco a vida dos caras.
Fiona Walcraft???
Ten měl štěstí.
Не следует испытывать свою судьбу столь нагло.
ok what is a sat?
The SAT was invented by the Safety Acro Team (SAT), hence the name. Other names are the "Satellite" or "La Maniobra". During the manoeuvre the pilot turns negative (backwards) and the glider turns positive (forwards). The centre of rotation is in the middle of the pilot and the glider. The SAT has a lot of variations: normal SAT, 1-handed SAT, asymmetric SAT, rhythmic SAT, tumbling, Cow SAT (don't ask...).
@@bonezed whats the "cow sat"?
The reserve its open very slow way?
falling speed is so slow.. And if you are in failed SAT , toss your reserve TO your main wing (its odd, I know, but otherwise your reserve can hit and stuck to your main wing).
Freaked me out
Better start fishing dude
How often do these wings collapse?
@T 765 Get on the list, then. 7 or 8 months from now, you'll be sitting around or doing less fulfilling hobbies, and you'll still be last in line. Sign up now, and you'll be in class.
modern wings are very safe and it is difficult to stall or collapse. that said, flying is not without risk
It can collapse very often or never, depending in how and where you fly. It is the reason why we do these kind of stage before to be lauched in the wilderness : the more you are accustomed to recover from stall, the less it is dangerous. What you see in the video is advanced training. The beginner stage is not something you have to be scared about.
hail naw!
E caiu o bobo alegre 😂
why does he do that ??
Training
I’d find me a new instructor.
what song is that?
Electric Light Orchestra - Mr. Blue Sky
luxScreenMedia
Darude,sandstorm
joeywheeler
lol great thanks
“ kiss your ass goodbye “ by unknown artist 😆
lmaooo
Ni en pedo me subo a eso!
please tell me who plays the music! :-)
found it: end of clip :-)
WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ölüdiniz
Oludeniz
Живой или поломался?
Why do you even try this if its that dangerous?
... e morreu!
que menso le falto valor para liberarse y abrir reserva
after all it was a SAT ;-)
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Lesson learned? How about not fucking around up there by making your shoot do stupid shit in the wind. You had one job, safely float the fuck down.
He's at an SIV course, he's there to learn how to handle the wing in adverse conditions. Safely floating the fuck down would be a pretty bad way to learn how to handle an autorotation in flight.
please DONT put that silly music... thank you for video
😂😂😂😂
I don't understand, and yes know nothing of the sport. and the purpouse of this flight, tricks or fun or view, whatever. if I learn to ride a bike they don't tell me stand on the handles 5x... just incase u get into that situation, damn its dangerous. or for my car learners lets go spin the car around in wet conditions...when ur a beginner.
It's for learning purposes. These collapses happen sometime and if you are inexperienced you can actually die because you are not able to handle them.
@@MegaBierMaster he couldnt handle it. Need a simulator to learn on. Not a lake...how hard would it have a gaming app that simulates autorotation and tangled lines. Something the industry should develop rather than risk lives. Jumbo pots dont train by cutting the engines at 1000 feet and test the pilots ability to land on a lake...
Actually, learning to control the car in wet/slippery conditions is a very common requirement to get your driving license in many countries where snow/ice is prevalent in winter. We do various maneuvers on a track with soapy water or something on it, in order to learn how to recover from a slide. This kind of training has saved countless lives.
Música terrible...
Fiist: paragliding isnot a safe sport. Second, that velame does not perform well in manouvers. It pitches very fast and unstable when leaving the SAT.. The instructor was not felling the dangerousness .A professional pilot would not risk like this flying this shit. The reserve was well deployed but in that situation its pure luck... Nothing better to do, only launch and pray.. Maybe a professional pilot would control better brakes, but just maybe... The main difference is that a professional pilot would not risk that manouver with that equipment. The reserve deployment , unfortunately, is really dangerous in some conditions.. Luck it is over water.
You really are dumb. He was practicing to know what to do in a real life emergency. Hence the man on the radio and two rescue boats.
Lol, professional pilots do these maneuvers all the time on wings just like this, and on vastly more energetic ones. That's how the wings are certified in the first place.
Flavio, you have no idea! Paragliding has inherent risks, but practicing these maneuvers in a relatively controlled environment makes us better pilots. If you haven't, please do it yourself - otherwise stop commenting 👍
This is simply a stupid, dangerous sport ... like bungy jumping and base jumping.
It's actually not. Most accidents are preventable
I'm pretty sure you will become 100 years old with your boring long life on your safe sofa in front of CZcams ;)
your mum's a dangerous sport
Music sooo annoying.