Polygonal Stone Walls with a Saw: Ancient Techniques with Primitive Tools

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  • čas přidán 1. 03. 2022
  • #polygonal #stonemasonry #egypt
    How to make polygonal walls as seen in ancient Egyptian Temples. The paper and experiment conducted by Antoine Garric and Emmanuel Laroze deals specifically with the Ptolemaic era and the Iron Age.
    However bronze age tools and construction has all the same hallmarks and the tools that exist in the record, and at the locations matches as well.
    Copper tools (actually the Egyptians had ARSENICAL BRONZE which is much like mild steel) work fine when it comes to sandstone and limestone.
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    La technique du sciage des joints dans la maçonnerie ptolémaïque en grès
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    How The Ancient Egyptians Built The Karnak Temple Complex | Blowing Up History
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    Emmanuel Laroze - discussing the fitting of stones in Egyptian Temples
    It’s in French but contains additional images.
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    Christian Ubertini
    ETUDES SUR LES TECHNIQUES DE CONSTRUCTION DE L'EGYPTE ANTIQUE
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  • @RostislavLapshin
    @RostislavLapshin Před 2 lety +31

    For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, reduced clay models of stone blocks and a 3D-pantograph, as well as a topography translator. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru” (DOI: 10.20944/preprints202108.0087.v7). CZcams does not allow a direct link. Search by the article title.

    • @foxprojects247
      @foxprojects247 Před rokem +1

      Correct me if I am wrong, but your paper assumes that the polygonal stone work done in Peru was done by European settlers no earlier than the 17th century?
      I edit this to say no earlier than the 17th century rather than no later than, excuse me.

    • @RostislavLapshin
      @RostislavLapshin Před rokem +4

      @@foxprojects247 The Peruvian polygonal masonry was erected by European settlers (most probably by one of the Vatican's Orders) approximately after the 17th century. See explanations in the mentioned paper.

    • @RostislavLapshin
      @RostislavLapshin Před rokem +4

      The 10th article edition (DOI: 10.20944/preprints202108.0087.v10) is posted at Preprints. Search the article by DOI or by title.

    • @dubselectorr345
      @dubselectorr345 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​​@foxprojects247 so smart they were to build underneath Inca construction to confuse everyone. The sky must also be green. This whole channel is Absurd..

    • @mirekulous
      @mirekulous Před 2 měsíci

      @@RostislavLapshin this seems bit racist tbh... the idea that no other nation in the world was able to come up with same idea... would this apply also to the polygonal platform in Eastern Island??

  • @thepowerfullie3906
    @thepowerfullie3906 Před rokem +7

    I love this channel it's crazy you're not more popular. It's testament to how people are lazy and would much rather be duped

    • @alinejoyce77
      @alinejoyce77 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Totally agree! Only just found this - but wish I had years ago

    • @thepowerfullie3906
      @thepowerfullie3906 Před 2 měsíci

      @@alinejoyce77 glad you see the truth because all this giza power plant lost tech shit is getting out of control.

  • @AncientPresence
    @AncientPresence Před 2 lety +10

    Great overview on this cutting technique. It’s ironic how simple, yet how effective it is. I’m happy this paper synchronistically found you again. I hope the LAHT folks find it too, so they can learn about this “impossible” method of cutting polygonal stones 😁

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety +1

      Fingers crossed but I have the suspicion it will be memory holed very quickly.

    • @The_Reality_Filter
      @The_Reality_Filter Před 10 měsíci

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded Great video, I've a friend who is a dry stone waller. Also what is a LAHT person? I did google but nothing appropriate!

    • @archinatic678
      @archinatic678 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@The_Reality_Filter Lost advanced high technology

    • @cleanpiecington2319
      @cleanpiecington2319 Před 2 měsíci

      well he's talking about cutting sandstone lol... you could do that with a butter knife... granite on the other is a whole different ball-park... seems strange he didn't address doing this in granite...

  • @jamesmaddigan8132
    @jamesmaddigan8132 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Elegant interpretation of the available evidence. In contemporary stone masonry, leaving thin edges of stone bearing on lower stones is not considered good practice and a defect. Once loads are fully applied to the stone work, and if the mortar gives, the edges can chip / spall off. That will also depend on how thin the bearing edge is, the strength of the stone, and other factors. The ancient stones have wider bearing surfaces, and the central hollowed areas filled with mortar/gypsum would give back full bearing to the stone, to even out the pressure. As noted below other trades working in other materials will also cut down the middle to get matching surfaces - wood workers, metal workers (look up cut and butt), igloo builders, insulation installers, etc, and may even thin down the material towards the edge to make it easier and quicker to cut, just like on the stone blocks seen in the video. Thin, metal blade stone saws with no teeth are still used today using a grit and water for the cutting action. A technology the Egyptians had along with the builders square and plumb bob that are still seen on construction sites today.

  • @MrGerryodonothing
    @MrGerryodonothing Před 2 lety +2

    "the obvious things is the hardest to see" you said it. They left things so simple, it's hard for us to see it; I'm finding that out too.

  • @Eyes_Open
    @Eyes_Open Před 2 lety +3

    Awesome. Great info.

  • @peterwikvist2433
    @peterwikvist2433 Před 2 lety +3

    Great video. Nice explanation regarding stone cutting and fitting.

  • @nickauclair1477
    @nickauclair1477 Před 2 lety +2

    This video makes it so obvious that most researchers are still yet to look into or try any stone work ever. It's probably overlooked on purpose.

  • @wildbprint3401
    @wildbprint3401 Před rokem +2

    thank you great video

  • @gerardhilde01
    @gerardhilde01 Před 2 lety +9

    Great video and clearly explained how it was done. Thank you for research. You are really ‘deep’ now in stone work, compared to 2 years ago. What a huge persevearance!

  • @63phillip
    @63phillip Před rokem +1

    Carpenters use this saw tech today to make pieces fit tight together.

  • @ankhenaten2
    @ankhenaten2 Před 2 lety +2

    Good info

  • @CardGamesTV1
    @CardGamesTV1 Před rokem +2

    same method i have. nice.

  • @klgamit
    @klgamit Před rokem +2

    It also explains why often you see those "special made" small stones inbetween 3 or 4 big ones.

  • @chichodormi4732
    @chichodormi4732 Před 3 měsíci

    It will be interesting to see this in a video, how they are actually constructing it. Also in Peru and in Turkey u can see such a small and delicate curvatures in the fittings, that cannot be done using this method, for sure.

  • @marka6487
    @marka6487 Před rokem +2

    A method used by the ancient Egyptians is the same method that has been used around the world and is still used today in modern quarries. The Urn Tomb in Petra is carved into the side of a cliff and is a perfect example of this technique.
    To create the basic shape, stone blocks are cut from the solid stone cliff face, which leaves tool markings. These tool markings then leave a surface that resembles a wall made of blocks. The depth of the tool markings depends on on the stage of construction when it was abandoned. If it is at the initial stage where the stone has not yet been removed, the tool markings will be deep and wide. You will see many examples of this at Petra as well as at the Colossi of Memnon where one of the statues still has these deep grooves. Because they are cutting and removing large rectangles of stone, the tool markings resemble rectangular blocks and so they create the illusion of a wall made of blocks. There are numerous quarries both ancient and modern where you can see this. Also because they are removing rectangular blocks of stone, you will sometimes find the offcuts scattered around, causing people to believe that they are blocks that have fallen off. There are many of these blocks scattered around at Petra.
    After removing the rectangle block, the tool markings that remain in the solid stone are much thinner and shallower. As they smooth out the blocks, the lines become thinner and more shallow that create the appearance of very closely fitting stone blocks. Because the "blocks" are cut from solid stone and there is no need to be perfectly straight, the irregular shapes of the stone will match perfectly and make it seem as if two surfaces have been cut to match perfectly. Where the stone is closer to being finished, the grooves will be very faint and often incomplete, allowing you to easily see that what looks like two blocks side by side is actually one piece of solid stone. If they were to score the stone before they cut into it, it will also create the fine lines that look like perfectly matching blocks of stone. That is why you find these "overcuts" because they were cut from solid stone. The triangular indentations are where they put blocks of wood that they would soak with water to expand and break the stone away from the solid rock face. If they were cut from a quarry, those marks would have been removed at the quarry.
    There are many examples of this method at the Urn Tomb, showing the different stages of construction that create the illusion of a building made of blocks. You will also find these tool markings underground and on free standing sculptures, some of which are buildings that people falsely believe are made of blocks. But if you examine the grooves up close you will find parts where grooves are incomplete or where the stone pattern from one side of a groove crosses over the groove into the adjoining "block" showing that the groove is incomplete and only superficial. That's the thing about something made of solid stone, it's easy to prove conclusively but you are not going to find something unless you are looking for it.

  • @timpitts9256
    @timpitts9256 Před 2 lety +6

    Good job! The illustrations really helped. Thank you.

  • @Simon-fm8yc
    @Simon-fm8yc Před 2 lety +3

    Another simple explanation showing how they worked stone. Great stuff.

  • @MrAwesomeBikerDude
    @MrAwesomeBikerDude Před rokem +2

    Very good theory. It's just that the over-cuts look like they had mass and power behind the saw. If they had some water powered machine connected to the saw, I can believe the over-cut. But cut granite with copper and accidentally over-cut by hand, I don't know. Talk is easy, but I would like to see a demo of two boulders in manageable size been fit together with this technique. Best theory so far so far, well done.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem +1

      czcams.com/video/Ggw1c_3Cdk4/video.html
      Sawing granite, shows steel and my own copper blades. The middle of blades get worn making concave or convex in stone.
      The over cutting makes sense that way as the ends would need to be cut down further before the centre cuts all the way through.
      Ideal speed for cutting with mechanically powered or hand powered saws. In granite it’s a low speed, hand powered speed for gang saws.
      I have granite cutting demos to show the cutting speed and wear of blade with copper.

  • @banksarenotyourfriends
    @banksarenotyourfriends Před 2 lety +3

    Using a saw simultaneously on nextdoor blocks is also the way we make the blocks of snow fit when building an igloo. It makes complete sense to me that this is how polygonal masonry could be done.
    (I'm guessing from your accent that you might not have built many igloos, apologies if I'm incorrect!)

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety +1

      You are very correct. I got most of my igloo education from Bugs Bunny cartoons. 😉

    • @banksarenotyourfriends
      @banksarenotyourfriends Před 2 lety +1

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded 😂
      I think some of these 'alternative historians' are getting their masonry knowledge from similarly dubious sources!
      On a serious note though the only difference I can think of between the 2 techniques is that we normally do the horizontal cut before the vertical cut.
      It never takes more than 2 passes of the saw to have the sides lined up nicely, it's got to be the easiest method for achieving the desired result.

  • @canadiangreg5313
    @canadiangreg5313 Před 4 měsíci

    Excellent info. Quick question, how would they have cut joints that were rounded ? I agree and understand butting the stones horizontally and vertically and using saws to cut lines.

  • @landspide
    @landspide Před 2 lety +2

    you had me at poli-gonal, would have lost me at poly-gone-al

  • @alexandercumming4859
    @alexandercumming4859 Před 2 lety +2

    Simple , doable , awesome .cheers for that .the issue quite frankly was getting right on mamaries 👍

  • @The_Reality_Filter
    @The_Reality_Filter Před 10 měsíci +3

    Great video, I've a friend who is a dry stone waller. Also what is a LAHT person? I did google but nothing appropriate! Is it something related to the Ancient Alien idiocy?

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks.
      Lost Ancient High Technology. Those people who say that ancients needed advanced technology and machining.

    • @The_Reality_Filter
      @The_Reality_Filter Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@SacredGeometryDecodedAh thanks for explaining. Similar to the Flat Earth folk then! I think a lot of the problem comes from people not using their hands to do anything other than scroll their phones or pull their dicks! They just cannot understand what dedicated hard working men can achieve.

  • @andrewbroeker9819
    @andrewbroeker9819 Před rokem +3

    Be careful with drawing lines across photos to prove that the real object is curved. Cameras slightly distort shapes, especially with wider angle lenses.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      yes definitely, though in some of their pictures they hold a straight edge against it, since the images were lo res I just wanted to highlight it to male it a little more clear.

  • @gabrielmusicyt7728
    @gabrielmusicyt7728 Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting but tell me how they were moving multi tons stone and putting them in place with the technology available at the time?

  • @jessesernig4424
    @jessesernig4424 Před rokem +3

    Brilliant video thank you!!
    Once again when it comes to building and problem solving solutions the K.I.S.S acronym applies
    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid
    I’m wondering what they used to cut harder stone like basalt? Maybe same technique but with chemicals

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem +1

      Cheers
      On phone in bed but I’ll link some stuff on basalt cutting in the morning.
      Will do a polygonal stone one in future.
      Will post some links to related videos in morning.
      Or search SGD lighthouses to see the granite insane complex blocks they used to build those in UK

  • @GTMarmot
    @GTMarmot Před rokem

    Could you please make a video on the construction excavation methods used on the Kailasa temple in Maharashtra (dug out of a mountain).

  • @timvw01
    @timvw01 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video! Does this also explain the walls in cusco?

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety +1

      They do say it does not explain the stone in places such as Saqsaywaman.
      There are no sawing marks there in Peru and dismantled wall pieces showing tool marks are from impact tools.

  • @harmharm3490
    @harmharm3490 Před 2 lety +4

    Will you also make a video like this on the stonework in central and south america? I'm curious what ingenious way they have used without metal tools. Probably just more hard work and sweat but they must have used some smart methods to.
    Without metals and saws it must be something like your dentist uses to get the new filling and existing teeth aligned again. With a medium (e.g. a thin mud layer) in between, you press it together and pull apart again, where you see it touched in the medium you just chisel a bit more away until it more or less touches everywhere. But could be wrong ofcourse.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety +1

      Will do but trying to find the footage and images is a pain, especially of the half finished stones or a good view from behind.

    • @markhampton756
      @markhampton756 Před 2 lety +3

      The Incan walls with their odd shapes everywhere look exactly like this method. I have seen photos showing that the the stones only fit perfectly at the face, some few inches in. They are hollowed out a little beyond that so they can be wedged up with smaller stones from behind if need be. The crazy angles and shapes are likely the result of using the stones existing shapes as a guide and just straightening them out - i.e. work smart not hard; why cut away more than you need to.
      As the wall is laid, stones are chosen to fit, small or large, and then roughly straightened out to match the angles of the stone already there. Once in place as close as they could get them, cut with a copper/bronze saw and abrasive as per the video to make a perfect fit. If you look at the Incan walls and think through what order they would have been laid in, you can then see the order and length of each cut.
      In terms of moving stones, I don't think this is as big a problem as it is in other places due to the landscape and the purpose of the walls. The largest of the Incan stones seem to be on retaining walls for terraces, which means they did not have to be "lifted" into place. The terrace would have been filled in as the wall was built, and each new level of stones is then pushed/dragged/pulled into place. I have also heard that the stones came from locations higher up the hillside than the buildings, so they could be dragged downhill, onto the terrace, and then onto the wall. This would allow for some massive stones to be used without requiring complicated lifting rigs.

  • @RobertPaterson-ns7xv
    @RobertPaterson-ns7xv Před 3 dny

    Just a thought here. If saws were used from top down to give access to both back and side joining faces, then the blade would need to be as long as course is high. Pushing copper down would be tricky to do, it wanting to bind/ bend when saw bound up, which a rather dull large curf long saw tends to do. Using saw on the horizontal would make cutting easier but would restrict use to single face joints, saw would need room behind joint. Good theory but I can't see using technique on very large hard stone like granite and making any headway.
    Also there would be a limit on how much time could be alotted for each cut. No one builds a needed structure or wall thinking it will be finished in the next two or three Generation. So there needed to be a faster , easier way.

    • @RobertPaterson-ns7xv
      @RobertPaterson-ns7xv Před 3 dny

      Last thing ....the cutting debris would accumulate at the bottom of cut as one was working, periodic shifting to clear stone dust would be required. Laborious

  • @joef2593
    @joef2593 Před rokem +4

    the saw ran over? And it cut that deep... u were struggling to make a millimeter dent my man, these are boulders, there's no "oh shoot it cut a few centimeters over" this was a whole task, it wasn't fast work at all

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      I get a cutting rate in granite and basalt 40 to 50% of a modern gangsaw.
      Over cutting comes from finishing off the cut.
      I am amused by people insisting things such as you have. I have a playlist of experiments in how to format doing the impossible or impossibly slow things.
      They are cutting sandstone here. 🤦‍♂️
      If you’ve cut wood you’d know that it’s natural to cut at an angle. These over cuts make absolute sense with even a little experience in tools.
      In sandstone as here it’s a couple of minutes.
      Boulders? I have posted pics of people, lots of them, using saws to cut giant blocks with frog saws. It was common practice. Only now do people marvel at the fact of what was normal.
      “If it wasn’t fast it wouldn’t work at all” is an incredible statement. If that was remotely true then historic buildings here in Sydney and everywhere else must be unexplainable too.

  • @NickBrown79
    @NickBrown79 Před rokem +3

    Just show it with granite and we'll believe you...

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      We? Are you legion?
      I don't much care about what you believe though these are made of granite. Much more complex than anything else and made by stone masons.
      czcams.com/video/tALubqrbH_0/video.html

  • @landspide
    @landspide Před 2 lety +3

    if the stone is tilted forwards or sidewards at an angle, much less material has to be removed, to get a dressed edge. With that said, I noticed some of the megalithic work at machupichu is over a meter deep but the form follows precisely on both sides of the joint face (where earthquakes have displaced so you could see), it's impressive work.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety +1

      IF it's available in your region try and find "Blowing Up History: Machu PIcchu . It has great examples of semi completed stones. I caught it once but now am region blocked on the internet.

    • @landspide
      @landspide Před 2 lety +1

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded if it's in your region it's in mine, not a stretch to assume you are also an Aussie ;) With a vpn we are global citizens, so will check it out regardless, many thanks!

    • @landspide
      @landspide Před 2 lety +1

      Just watched it on CZcams discovery, only 10 mins. They talked about hematite pounders, pre inca rock art (which I suspect is a big part of it) very interesting 👍

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 lety

      @@landspide yeah though the best parts missing , I will get it and piece together with other bits.

  • @bobwilson7684
    @bobwilson7684 Před rokem

    also, when looking at Petra, and the perfection that thez carved that straight out of the bedrock, there is no reason at all to think that they couldnt cut the bricks to perfection, before the final assembly.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      Petra is a Roman era work, typical corinthian elements and roman gods/motifs all over it.

    • @bobwilson7684
      @bobwilson7684 Před rokem

      ​@@SacredGeometryDecoded the question was simple, have you ever fitted four, only
      four, polygonal blocks?, it should be easy ....you have toooooooooooooooooones of video, yet no single wall, no single test or sample, blahblahblah and ranting all the time 🤣

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      @@bobwilson7684 stone masons do better with simple tools.
      The “have you?” gambit is a weak one.
      Did you make your own device for leaving this comment. If not they are relevant,
      I have posted a quote a bit your lost tech called impossible though
      What have you done?
      ZERO,
      I mock your complete lack of any work with a silly emoji.

    • @bobwilson7684
      @bobwilson7684 Před rokem

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded the weak is not having any real attempt in years...but still ranting bullshit,

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      @@bobwilson7684 Oh how it hurts the cult to see the mystery challenged. None of you, not a single one, has ever done anything and yet you demand everyone else do the work.
      I do remember you spamming links everywhere about the impossibly of moving stones. Shame those people who move stones spoilt that.
      Let me know when one of you actually does something to further the understanding of things, it is allowed for you to participate.
      Experiments can be done to prove something false you know?
      You've done nothing. That's what your worth. I have earned the right to rant. You've earned nothing but the contempt you so rightly deserve.
      I care nothing for your cult but do enjoy chiselling away at it. I use the salt to season my meals.

  • @ThunderboltWisdom
    @ThunderboltWisdom Před 2 lety +4

    Good content. Nice explanation regarding stone cutting. And once again it seems the more prosaic explanation wins the argument. The LAHT mob won't like this, not one bit.

    • @dominicsamf2895
      @dominicsamf2895 Před rokem +1

      Lol if the Egyptians built them they would’ve recorded it. Anybody could’ve claimed these structures. History is written by the victors

  • @ronsimpson3198
    @ronsimpson3198 Před rokem

    Sandstone a lot of times is a 6 on the Mohs scale. Also I have seen sections of polygonal Masonry that are three-sided insertion you could not cut simultaneously as it would make the piece smaller by twice the thickness of the blade😂. Keep trying I told you I know the way that it was made you're getting closer but still off😂

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      Sandstone is higher on Mohs scale than granite. Even the crumbly stuff because it has higher quartz percentage and often enough sone corundum.
      In other words sandstone is higher than granite than Mohs scale. Even the toughest limestone is low on Mohs scale.
      I have videos on granite polygonal walls. Before you watch that it’s probably best to have an idea what you are talking about.
      Those lost tech guys who cite Mohs scale are clueless. They should have told you window glass is higher on Mohs than mild steel.
      Keep trying though. Maybe one day you’ll land a point
      The authors of this expressly point out it isn’t to Peruvian type walls.
      Always the same with you knuckleheads. A video on lifting. But you can’t cut it. A video on cutting. Oh but you can’t lift it.
      How about you START trying

  • @sorinstelian4395
    @sorinstelian4395 Před 2 lety

    yep, you can cut also granite, just like butter.

  • @jesusislukeskywalker4294
    @jesusislukeskywalker4294 Před 2 lety +5

    you have destroyed the ancient aliens with their laser cutting techniques. theory. thanks very much.

    • @chriskelly2939
      @chriskelly2939 Před 2 lety

      Hard to believe people actual still follow that crap, when all you have to do is look

  • @Achkahkl
    @Achkahkl Před 5 měsíci

    you just explained how to make the ugliest block ever found, but how to explain the granite box with less than 1/100 mm of precision

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 5 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/CxgZGQwWQas/video.html
      Like a lot of lost tech stuff it's easy to explain because it is a fiction, made up, totally untrue.

  • @jayroccoman
    @jayroccoman Před rokem +1

    Around 6 minutes in, you stated, "used anathyrosis to put in a liquid slurry to bond and hold the stones together." Then, while reading the definition of Anathyrosis, it says "Anathyrosis is the technical word for the ancient method of dressing the joints of stone blocks in dry stone construction, i. e., masonry without mortar. " What you say is the method used in ancient times, which is Anathyrosis, is different from what the actual definition is. The stones at Sacsayhuaman do-not have any metal clamps together, they do not have mortar inbetween them, and they most certain do not have gaps in the back. The gaps in the back are where the soot fills in while the sides have grooves to fit together. Im pretty sure you've physically been to this site, so I'm confused as to how you're making this claim and showing a picture of the backside of the stone wall while not addressing how thick in distance the stones touch. This is no magic high technology used or your claim of Anathyrosis.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/brill-s-new-pauly/anathyrosis-e120200
      Another definition
      Anathyrosis can be with or without slurry.
      I have a series on Sacsayhuaman and show the gaps, contact being only on the facing side. czcams.com/video/_x8MCXrqCCE/video.html
      Sacsayhuaman absolutely has gaps in the blocks.
      From the rear or where the sides are showing the fine joins can be seen only to extend back a short distance.

    • @jayroccoman
      @jayroccoman Před rokem +1

      That's not true at all about Anathyrosis being able to use mortar. Anathyrosis is fitting of joints without slurry or mortar. It's fitting dry-stone together. The source you provided that was published in 2006 doesn't mention with or without. The only detail of process is "partial removal of material from contact surfaces between two stone blocks or column sections" which is to create a fitting or joint without mortar. Keyword is creating a "fixed joint", you don't put mortar into a fixed joint to get it to be stationary. If you're asking about a joint and lock, that's what fitting them together carefully is about, not by using mortar. The word Anathyrosis is ancient Greek. Anathyro is "Hatch" in ancient Greek which was used to bear, begit, or bring about during carving. When adding the suffix "osis" at the end, it becomes the act of or the state, abnormal condition, or action. When fitting together blocks using Anathyrosis, they fit dry stones together and create a hatch for them or a break to fit together. That's practically the point of Anathyrosis; without mortar. You have heard of Stone hatching, I'm sure you can see the correlation of a direct translation and not a skewed ancient Greek > Greek > English translation.
      This website below is a peer reviewed library that extracts text from scholarly reviewed books. It talks about how joints the joints that are made hence why you don't need mortar.
      I created spaces in-between the URL so it won't be blocked.
      www.perseus .tufts. edu/hopper /text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0004%3Aalphabetic+letter%3DA%3Aentry+group%3D10%3Aentry%3Danathyrosis
      In the video that you sent, at 32:30, you have a picture of wall section 21 and 22. You can see jagged roughness on the back side and the gaps pushed apart due to reconstruction or earthquakes. This isn't a gap from mistakes, it's from other sources pushing it apart. If you're mentioning a gap where only the front is fitted perfectly while the back is open; You have a picture yourself showing a block that's at least 3 feet thick that can be pushed together without gaps. When you take a picture or look at these gaps, there are no blow-outs, discoloration of constant adjustments to fit the gaps together, and they're completely smooth to fit together completely and not just the front of it. The gaps that you're mentioning are from reconstruction areas or crude Incan work done. You can clearly see these are not from the original pieces of work.
      If you need a few pictures of showing Sacsayhuaman blocks that have no gap (front to back) and are flush together, take a look at the pictures I compiled in a .zip below which I took and hosted them for you below on file dot io. One picture is taken from Ollantaytambo and showing a ground base. There is a base where blocks used to sit which held almost two layers of gap-less blocks which also show an outline of where the rocks went. It shows that blocks were fitted together throughout the entire side and not just the front while having a gap in the back. What you showed is only one example where the back has a gap due to other occurrences that created that gap. I can provide you plenty of other examples of this gap-less occurrence from the stones at Sacsayhuaman. If you'd like me to go there and take any specific photos or data for you, then by all means lets work together instead of against each other to learn.
      I created spaces in between the URL so it won't be blocked.
      file .io/ HkERW6p6cSqz

    • @Spherical_El
      @Spherical_El Před rokem +1

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded you really need to come back to Jay here and work this out.
      Brilliant minds together can create better progress.

    • @Spherical_El
      @Spherical_El Před rokem +1

      Excellent work Jay, we need clarification and you seem very articulate with good information.

    • @jayroccoman
      @jayroccoman Před rokem +1

      @Spherical Thank you, Spherical. I greatly appreciate your response. SGD Sacred Geometry Decoded is a very intelligent, well-informed, and overall smart person & channel. My response was to never belittle, I like to debate and discuss, so I apologize if I made it seem that way.
      This stuff is difficult for the average person to conceive and explain right off the top of the head. Also, we're all on the same team here trying to bring the most factual pieces of evidence to explain the ancient past.

  • @TheMoneypresident
    @TheMoneypresident Před 2 lety +2

    Oh yeah well if your Bain hasn't been damagee yet. Muddflood or Tartaria lunatics will break you. Arched brick windows In A basement is the key. Star forts are not forts. Neither are lighthouses possibly.

    • @SimonHaestoe
      @SimonHaestoe Před rokem

      It's ironic to sit in a shoe box and look down upon the simple mindedness of people building infinitely more advanced buildings many hundreds/thousand years ago :). Talking about the cathedrals. Not saying anything other than they are symmetrical in ways that are difficult to even fathom. Why aren't we doing that now...? I'm not saying we couldn't - I think people built the cathedrals - but we obviously aren't supposed to. That's what scares me. Brutalism won and that's a HUGE f'n problem. The traces are everywhere - agriculture is a different area where it won... We produce food by destroying ecosystems. If they even remain - most do not.

    • @rohncarver3585
      @rohncarver3585 Před rokem

      @@SimonHaestoe time, Skill, manpower, and convenience, it's more convenient to have a less costly material based home; it takes less time to erect it, far less man power, we could do alot of what they did in the past but there'd be no point and city planning committees would not allow it because it'd be a pain in the ass in the future to remove for new buildings.

  • @catman8965
    @catman8965 Před 2 lety +5

    Good work but I think it went above Christopher Dunn's brain, or Ben @ Uncharted X

  • @bobwilson7684
    @bobwilson7684 Před rokem +1

    the evidence tells a different story, min 20.07, that block, the marks, do not show what would have been the cut with a knife, interesting video here czcams.com/video/WAyQQRNoQaE/video.html

    • @bobwilson7684
      @bobwilson7684 Před rokem

      someone has to explain how would they manouver the stones so many times until fit

    • @bobwilson7684
      @bobwilson7684 Před rokem

      29.58, how is that block being lifted, how egyptians do that

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      I have a playlist called Moving the Megaliths which shows many examples of various methods being used. For places like Saqsayhuaman why would you move the few large blocks many times to fit the much smaller neighouring stones, with about a hlaf dozen examples all the big blocks are corner stones. They are all bordered by much smaller blocks.
      I have a whole series on that place going through the entire lower tier that contains the larger blocks. Except for the corner stones the test are thin facing stones and the weights typically given are way way over exaggerated.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      With even the most basic knowledge of rigging a ship anyone could move that stone.
      In my compilation of moving stones I have a grandpa showing a toddler how to do it. Old photo and film of stone masons and quarry men doing a lot better with a bit of rope and some wood. Old loggers working deep in the forest stacking massive logs,
      A simple task with the most basic of ancient knowledge.
      I find it very mysterious that for all the obsession with moving stones so few have even bothered to look into what can be done, and what was done as everyday no big deal kind of stuff.

  • @cleanpiecington2319
    @cleanpiecington2319 Před 2 měsíci

    sawing polygonal blocks out of sandstone is trivial compared to doing it with granite like the ancient Peruvians did

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 měsíci

      The Peruvian walls were not sawn. A better example would be granite lighthouses like Wolfrock that matched faces in 3D rather than just the first few inches of the facade.
      In description I provide links to the team who did this. They state this is not relevant to Peru yet walls such as the ones they show are referenced by the "It's impossible therefore lost technology" types.
      I've also sawn granite and basalt and filmed/posted the experiments so if the reply is "it takes too long" I am more than equipped to say otherwise.

    • @cleanpiecington2319
      @cleanpiecington2319 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded how is it impossible? Lol. We have the artifacts obviously they did it

    • @cleanpiecington2319
      @cleanpiecington2319 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded wolf rock was constructed during the late 18th century… not sure how that’s relevant to this comment

    • @cleanpiecington2319
      @cleanpiecington2319 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded I wasn’t talking about sawing granite… I was talking about fitting together polygonal granite

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před 2 měsíci

      @@cleanpiecington2319 Wolf Rock made without advanced equipment.

  • @Bobbylee1963
    @Bobbylee1963 Před rokem

    So that's how the multi ton megalithic walls were built in Peru. lol.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      LOL no. It's how the polygonal walls at Karnak and elsewhere were fitted. The authors expressly say this is not applicable to Peru as I mention. LOL

  • @chirhoaten3220
    @chirhoaten3220 Před 2 lety +3

    " it must have been easy back in those days so they must have had power tools, diamonds and lasers, no cant do without the laser " ... And thus the average mind wonders off into a realm of imagination without looking to the obvious which in many cases was right under their feet as they walked behind the snakeoil salesmen/women regurgitating the same shite every april and december year in year out.

  • @4ur3n
    @4ur3n Před 2 lety +9

    I used a saw at my grandmother's village when I was 8 yo and I fit two pieces perfectly all the time while playing. About 3 decades later Uncharted X and everyone from that gang of lost ancient BS tech, cannot understand how saws cut and fit stones.

    • @catman8965
      @catman8965 Před 2 lety +3

      I'd have to agree with you. That group just isn't very bright.

    • @antonellocossu4319
      @antonellocossu4319 Před 2 lety

      @@catman8965 those folks are just willing to cash in from the sheer number of gullible persons around...

    • @catman8965
      @catman8965 Před 2 lety +1

      @@antonellocossu4319
      Right ON!!! I couldn't say it any better.😁

    • @LR-zz9sf
      @LR-zz9sf Před 2 lety +2

      Have to say, if that gang didn't challange theories, we wouldn't see videos like this. I think oposing opinions are useful.

    • @antonellocossu4319
      @antonellocossu4319 Před 2 lety

      @@LR-zz9sf yes and no. It's not just that having a different opinion makes people speaking at a par with others. People have to be right as well, and their opinion is to be substantiated with proof. Their behavior show that they just want clicks, likes, notoriety and YT money.

  • @bobwilson7684
    @bobwilson7684 Před rokem +1

    no real replica there...sorry

  • @sickbastard82
    @sickbastard82 Před 8 měsíci

    😂😂😂😂😂

  • @imawildman
    @imawildman Před rokem

    Brilliant. This video destroys the new age ancient aliens grifters that for decades have made a living from their lies. Kudos!

  • @iyildirim2618
    @iyildirim2618 Před rokem

    Not really convinced. Could you please demonstrate with 4 huge blocks please

  • @waketfup8864
    @waketfup8864 Před rokem

    You proof nothing. You're claiming you know how they built them by just talking. The only way to prove it is to recreate it yourself. It should be easy for you. When you're finished show the artefact. Remember you're claiming you know how they built them and I'm claiming I don't know, so the burden of proof is on you. And you don't proof anything until you recreate it.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      Then you replicate it yourself since if I do then it will be another demo you can dodge.
      Remember you’re saying you don’t know so it’s your job to repeat the work that has been done and investigate through experimentation to expand on it.
      If you don’t contribute anything there is no burden to prove anything to you.
      You have proved a giant flaw in your logic. If YOU want to know then YOU must participate.

    • @waketfup8864
      @waketfup8864 Před rokem

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded i do participate, i just don't upload ridiculous videos and claim to know exactly how they did it, like you do.

    • @SacredGeometryDecoded
      @SacredGeometryDecoded  Před rokem

      @@waketfup8864 where can we find these contributions? Narnia, Wakanda, Oompa Loompa land?
      Have you repeated any tests so you can know? As you stated only by doing it can you know! Let me know when it’s done please. Experiments to show something doesn’t work are as important as those that confirm a hypothesis.

    • @waketfup8864
      @waketfup8864 Před rokem

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded yes, and you proved it doesn't work. And what's more, you know this. The truth will prevail wether you like it or not

    • @waketfup8864
      @waketfup8864 Před rokem

      @@SacredGeometryDecoded do You really look at ancient artefacts like the boxes in the serapeum and the khafre enthroned and you think by scratching a stone plate over 30 minutes you proved anything? How dumb and blind can you be? You can clearly SEE the scratches in the boxes of the serapeum are of much inferior Quality than the boxes themselves. And they don't have the same polished finish. This is a fact.