I mean thinking about it logically I'd imagine the journal of someone regarded as insane who was charged with multiple homicides publicized by a far right newspaper especially in a more progressive world could only gain at most as much traction as a popular conspiracy theory, and that's stretching it
@@taterater1052Rorschach’s journal explains ozymandias plan and how he manipulated the world into thinking it was Dr Manhattan but it was Adrian’s plan to stop the nations from bonbon eachother, what happens after when everyone learns the truth is speculation be it war, moving on, or something totally different.
Rorschach is a mad man with narrow minded thoughts and romantacize thinking of so called absolute justice. Actions of Adrian prevent the watchmen world from armageddon. Want prove? Look at the doomsday clock comic when the truth have been revealed again. They nuke each other once they knew there are no more alien threats. "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon", yeah you can say that again when due to your selfish ideals you doomed billions of innocents death and possibly centuries in terms of degression in society all just because of your petty sense of justice.
But ozymandias accomplished his goal while roarshach’s journal was dismissed as extremist right wing theories written by some mentally ill individual. You can see that in the tv show
@KitchensAreHot i thought it was ozymandiaz's plan? Though, i should note, the plan didn't work. Doomsday clocked showed that the peace didn't take long to fall apart into all out nuclear war
Christian Martinez I the comedian and nite owl is right at all everything is one big practical Joke.. and the end no one wins and no loses it's just a big joke..
@darkplaceguy in the end it didn t matter. The murders, the explotions, all that world peace was for nothing. Rorschach managed to uncover the situation and all will reset after this. It s a joke because all this mess was for nothing at the end.
Diego Kaqui I’ve seen a lot of people theorize that the journal containing the truth being discovered in and of itself is the joke. That because it’s a crack-pot, right-wing media outlet that no one will take it seriously and it will be seen as a conspiracy of sorts by the public, because the convenience of blaming the catastrophe that resulted in world peace on Dr. Manhattan will trump the possibility of uncovering the actual truth. A lot of people seem to think that that was Moore’s intent. But I think the idea that the paper runs with it and as a result of it going public people will catch wind of the truth and the state of the world will reset, negating the massive loss of human life, is a more impactful, fitting ending. Not sure if that’s how Moore intended it, but thematically it seems more in line with the rest of the book and the film adaptation.
I was thinking something like, I dunno maybe... 'Rorschach's journal was found after the long long peace'. Maybe the journal was found when everyone forget why they're even making a war. So that, his journal didn't really triggered a new war, because it happened long time ago. They probably just put it as a missing history that has been discovered. You know... that kind of epilogue - I'm sorry, English isn't my first language-
I'm agree to that also... but in the end, it has to be revealed... but not at that time... maybe some time later. My country had ever been in this kind of situation (the only difference is the methods and reason). It was kept secret in order to maintain the peace. As the time goes on, people started to show the secret behind the massacre that happened in my country. It left a scar on our heart but we should take it... because it's a part of our job and right to accept the bad and the good part in our history. No sugar coating. OMG - it's out of topic - I'm sorry again
Well, if you're interested... I'm from Indonesia, it's about G 30 S PKI (Indonesian Communist Party) FYI, Our nation is not communist... it's long story, it happened long time ago, and just say, shit happened... everyone went crazy, they thought the Communist party was the cause of the dead of the important people in Indonesia. So they killed the member of Communist from all direction of Indonesia. But actually, the cause of the death of important people wasn't really their fault, but government decided kept it as a secret. After long time, the truth's finally been discovered (though it's not publicly told). Some people denied it, but I don't. I accept it, after all nation is a human too... every human has dark secret, no?
+zombiesnyder13 In what way is it conclusive? The common enemy is gone and a journal outlining how a mad genius engineered the greatest global disaster is about to be published resulting in the world pretty much instantly reverting to the pre-bomb stage except with added fuel for the enemies of the USA because Ozy-fuckface was one of them. Because I can guarantee you that the anti-American sentiment would not have vanished, just been put aside to face Manhattan.... But he's not there... He gunned and ran????? read the paper... WHAT THE FUCK ADRIAN??? BOOM!!! All he has done is guaranteed the future he feared. Ok I just found the conclusion. The comedian's prediction comes true. The End.
I mean thinking about it logically I'd imagine the journal of someone regarded as insane who was charged with multiple homicides publicized by a far right newspaper especially in a more progressive world could only gain at most as much traction as a popular conspiracy theory, and that's stretching it
@@jonathanpilcher337 "Far right", I love you lefties, anything conversative is "far right" Can you give me a SINGLE conservative opinion or viewpoint that isn't "far right", just normal right?
So given the way things progress throughout this film. The real joke is that their solution for peace was in vain. Millions of people died for nothing and their world is most likely going to get worse because Rorschach didn't want peace to be based on a lie. That is one depressing movie and makes you question all of the characters actions. They're definitely not a Justice League because they seem to just "Watch" and observe as their world falls apart.
I mean it's impossible to control human Nature. Unlike in justice league batman can say something and the world shouts . In the real world you can't control people sorry
But I think, therefore I am. And I want peace. No war. You can kill my family, and I would have no interest in revenge. So I disagree that human nature can't be controlled.
Vincent Maliga I think it's the fact that humans are weak with the exception of a few in the face of truth, but morally Rorschach is right to defend the truth because as much as he views reality with the black and white view that correlates with say something like religion, I think to a degree he knows that facing the truth and sharing it with others ... the hope isn't in others, but in truth to set things in motion so that someday there could be peace, but if it never comes or will, but in some future, it was up to him and the heroes to keep the balance. When you think about it, this why I understand heroes would rebel working for the government and just work on their own and amongst others who see things similarly. The Watchmen served America and I doubt anyone else. So of course their views and ideas and beliefs would get corrupted and warped when faced with the public who hates them when they think they're doing the right thing, when the truth is the opposite. Gotta give it to Rorschach he was in my opinion the definition of a hero in that universe to not give up his morals and ideals after coming from a childhood that is the exact opposite and needs to be tackled down.
@@Crookgotjokes maybe not. Rorscatch also wrote about his investigation about the mask killer and had even wrote the adrian was the culprit after visiting his place. And the link between the mask killer was also that he may have wanted to cause ww3 by getting them out of the way. And lastly wrote about where he was heading if he were to ever return or not. I'm not sure. But I think if people put the pieces together they would find out that adrian was the reason for this sudden attack.
@@Crookgotjokes No he didn't. He didn't know exactly what Adrian did until the detonations had already been done but he did know everything was orchestrated by Adrian. It's not hard to make the connection between that and the Journal entries, especially the last one where he flat out says Adrian was behind everything. Even a 1/4 competent journalist would make the connection and understand what had happened and immediately run the story. Edit- Rorschach's final entry- czcams.com/video/R2Dl_ow1KtY/video.html
Even if he did exposed Veidt, this isn’t a wholly heroic thing. There is still the risk that him exposing it could end up leading to America and Russia fighting again and lead to another Doomsday scenario. That’s the complexity of Watchmen, whether you side with Veidt, believing it was horrible but justified to focus their target away from eachother, or you believe that Rorschach’s journal would help bring justice to Ozymandias and expose his lies, neither are presented as the right solution. Of course Veidt deserves to be locked away for his actions but at what cost would it have on humanity.
The only comment that gets made on the success of Ozymandia's plan is the exchange between him and Dr Manhattan (in the comic): “Jon, wait, before you leave... I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end” “Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.”
@@brianj4201Rorschach does not disagree with Veidt 'because it never ends', he hates Veidt because he thinks of him as intrinsically evil. And by the way, 'Nothing ever ends' because Rorscach drops his journal in the mailbox of the far right newspaper. If Rorscach wasn't so stubborn no one would know what really happened.
The minor one-scene characters are all SO well acted in this movie. It's the best acting in a Zack Snyder film by far. And I don't know WHERE Snyder found all these actor since I didn't recognize a single one..... but they're all excellent!
This is the only good Zack Snyder movie I know of. and that's because it's basically a one-to-one recreation. he merely added his visual flare. which is exactly what he's good at.
Homem Aranha What do you mean? In both versions the world becomes a utopia, Doctor Manhattan kills Rorschach and leaves Earth, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl live a normal life together, and Rorschach's journal ends up in the newspaper. Just because there's no squid doesn't mean it's completely different.
For me it's the the way the dude at the newspaper company is given freedom to write about anything he wants then as he turns and sees rorschachs journal then rorschachs line followed by the ending music playing
I hate to be that guy who brings up the comic instead of taking the film for what it is, but I really wish they included the mention that Rorschach's penmanship is so bad that, in the comic, the police can't read his journal after he was arrested. It added a but more ambiguity as to whether the journal would be printed, or if the guy would see Rorschach's chicken scratch and ditch it for the next piece on the stack.
I agree, and in the comic, the journal was thrown into a "later" bin with other junk paperwork, making us guess as to whether or not it was ever published.
I believe, because of the characterization we get from the guy at the end, he could read it. I have shitty handwriting, which makes reading other shitty handwriting easy, however really nice cursive is like fucking chicken scratch to me. All depends on you point of reference.
The first song of the movie is Bob Dillan's The Time They Are a Changin'. The last song is My Chemical Romance's Desolation Row, which is a hard rock cover of Bob Dillan's original song. I think it perfectly represents how the times have changed indeed by the end of the film.
Even if the world destroys itself when/if Ozymandia's plot is discovered...people should know the truth. Let humanity find its own way, and face the consequences, not be manipulated into a false future by a lie. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.
+Heinz Guderian Its really hard to tell to accept the lie if you now it or just to tell the truth. Ozy was not completly wrong. He choose one of many options to bring peace to the world. The Problem is that if the plan really works, the question is for how long? No one can tell if the peace really stays this way or not a new heretic rises and human fall back into their own nature of war and grief. I would accept the lie if I would 100% know its working for ever. But if there is really just 1% thats off the charts I would always go with the truth.
@@PhillipRottingham In the novel it only destroyed buildings right where the monster landed. It's referred to as "Hiroshima with buildings" in the novel.
Realistically it would take 50 to 70 years to rebuild a destroyed city but this is set in an alternate universe where superheros exist so the technology to help repair cities like that somehow exists
Well it's actually ambiguous if the journal ever blew up, since the writer of it was charged with homicide and it was publicized by a far right newspaper
Rorschach had his endgame already planned out, so well that even the smartest man alive didn't see it coming. Rorschach was more than aware of how dangerous Vieght would be, the distinct likelihood was that he was going to die. In fact, it was all but certain to him. This is why he firstly mailed the journal (he'd never be using it again), why he refused warmer clothing (he'd die from something quicker than hypothermia), why he attempted to suckerpunch Vieght, knowing it wouldn't work (suicide play) & why he insisted Dr. Manhatten finish it (last honest hero). I suspect Rorschach knew his crime-fighting days were drawing to a close due to several factors, namely his aging years, a lack of any intelligence network other than his own investigations, a suspected "mask killer" & a rapidly shifting public narrative that made him the bad guy. Possibly the reason he finally apologises to Dan for years of being an uncooperative, sociopathic hard-line douchbag when they were partners. He was getting his affairs in order.
Rorschach truly is a wonderful yet broken man. He seeks peace and justice but one that isn't achieved in vain. Yet the very idea itself is quite impossible to attain.
Later: Adrian Veidt watches TV´s: Veidt: What?!NO!NO!! My World peace!! Veidt: All my work..... Manhattan watches from the distance: Not my problem anymore.
"Ronald Reagan says he's running for president in '88..." Man, they blew that one. In the original book, we see mention of "RR" running for office, before finding out it's actually Robert Redford. The joke was supposed to be that in the Watchmen universe, the right-wing editor "obviously" wouldn't want a "cowboy actor" in the White House, while in our world he would presumably be on board with the idea, so long as it was the conservative Reagan rather than the liberal Redford. His outrage at Reagan's run makes no sense, unless I missed a scene in the movie where the presence of superheroes somehow turned Reagan into a Democrat.
So.....you think that tiny insignificant part is worth bitching about? See this is why movies like this get no attention. You watch a masterpiece of a movie and focus on a one second clip about stupid real life bullshit politics. Way to miss the point entirely.
I don't care what everyone says, this movie was perfect . From the begining with the sound of silence to the ending where rorshach makes justice, the world might be nuked, but rorshach made true justice no mater the consequences! #Rorshachalwayswins
+The Game Code Not really, think about everything that Rorschach wrote down. The dude was pretty far off on what Ozy's true plan. Assuming that Seymour went through and published the journal, the only thing they can get from it is that he killed some old and possibly that he was the Comedian . Which is bad for Veidt but looking at Eddie, he was an ass and was no shining pinnacle of humanity. On top that, Rorschach is known that he's clinically insane and on top of the Veidt has lots of money so that means very good lawyers. So for better or for worse, Rorschach doesn't have too much evidence. The only other people that can kill Veidt on his bullshit are dead,on the run or off playing God.
+marvel672 I disagree. If there's anyone who knows about just how smart Adrian really is (and there are) they will find it pretty fucking obvious. And from reading Rorschach's words, people will see he's not a deranged nut that the public makes him out to be. The Journal is the Evidence. As for lawyers, that's ridiculous! There's no lawyer that would convince the world to let go on the mass murder of millions. There may still be people who can stop him. The whole point is whether the Journal is used or not. This marks the first time where a man makes a choice over what is best for humanity, not the Watchmen.
for me this is an absolute win, - not only Rorshach death were not in vain, but also the dude in the green shirt will write the truth about ozymandias, and the world go wild but still live in peace since it has been so long that pretty much no one give a damn but still intrigue by the story, great movie, so ahead of it time ( in fact it was so ahead of it time, the ending told you so )
Snyder's Journal. November 13th, 2017. Wonder Woman was released earlier this year, with Aquaman set to follow.This studio's afraid of me. I've seen its true vision. To them, movies are extended advertisements. created to peddle merchandise with no regard for true DC fans. The theaters are full of audiences worldwide. And when the credits roll and the critics descend. When social media is overflown with with critique from both amateur and professionals. And when more and more petitions are signed worldwide, and all the fans demand it. When WB has no choice, but to deliver the film DC fans deserve. All the WB studio executives will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll whisper "No."
Except Snyder is a trash author that can't write to save his ass and is only good when he sticks to the source material because of his technical skills. The guy made Superman watch quietly while his dad dies to save a dog to save his secret identity that he gives two fucks about in every single scene before and after his death. And wrote a ridiculous pseudo metaphorical BS movie about a girl wrongfully convicted in a mental institution and abused that becomes Neo in her head to save other girls. And don't even get me started on BvS and the Martha memes, Batman becoming a killer out of nowhere and having a bogus Lex Luthor inspired by a subpar graphic novel spinoff that fits the story like a pair of shoes to a fish.
Rorschach's Journal: November 17th, 2019. A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China died of a new virus. And the Chinese government knows why
The genius of this ending is how it's both a moment where you find solace knowing Rorschach beat Adrian after all and exposed the truth, but it also makes you think "oh f*ck, is everything about to go back to shit or worse when the news gets out?" One of the best endings to a film this century (yeah I said it) and possibly the best ending to a superhero film ever.
This is what happens when you underestimate the crazy ones. If Adrian had just taken Rorschach a bit more seriously, his plans wouldn't have all been for nothing. In a way, Rorschach proved HE was the smartest man on the planet.
For a decent film, I find that ending dialoge the best one ever heard as a finisher. The only thing they succeded with in that film was Rorschach and the music.
Ross the Boss Rorschach's Journal: November 2nd, 2016. It was the 31st Anniversary remembering the death of Walter Kovacs a.k.a. Rorschach. May god rest his soul. Rest In Peace, Rorschach. It's been an honor working for you, Walter Kovacs. Your sacrifice will not be in vain.
Even an adaptation that's only 1/5th as good as the original Watchmen is better than a lot of other movies. As it is, most of the changes they made were things that simply made it better-suited to cinema than the straight comic, hence why it can feel unfaithful but still entertaining. That's not to say the straight comic COULDN'T work as a movie (case in point: the motion comic), but the film took a work that was firmly comic in structure, and altered it so it could still work as a movie.
Rorschach is the real hero here. The final scene, with the sky of NY, half clouded, half cleared, represents the equilibrium which humanity should struggle to maintain between good and evil.
1:19 A new beginning: Adrian vietd (Ozzymandias) being exposed for everything what he has done. Give cancer to Jon’s friends and ex girlfriend, Framing dr Manhattan, framing Rorschach for killing molich and Killing comedian. (Lauries father) Perfect how Rorschach got the last laugh before he ordered dr Manhattan to kill him.
I know I've seen this movie a hundred times, but everytime this scene comes to an end and Rorschach's narration begins, I always think the intro to 'Walk of Life's by Dire Straights is playing. Wouldn't that just be one Hell of a credits song for this? 😅
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Rorschach single-handedly undid all of Adrian’s years of planning and work 😂
I mean thinking about it logically I'd imagine the journal of someone regarded as insane who was charged with multiple homicides publicized by a far right newspaper especially in a more progressive world could only gain at most as much traction as a popular conspiracy theory, and that's stretching it
Yeah but the world still stopped fighting each other and turned on Adrian, instead of Dr M
@@jonathanpilcher337 i mean, with the way the web series handled it, that's basically what happened
That's why he's the best character.
@@taterater1052Rorschach’s journal explains ozymandias plan and how he manipulated the world into thinking it was Dr Manhattan but it was Adrian’s plan to stop the nations from bonbon eachother, what happens after when everyone learns the truth is speculation be it war, moving on, or something totally different.
Ozymandias did it 35 minutes ago
Rorschach did it many hours ago
I'm watching this movie again with that fact in mind.
Checkmate...
Rorschach win
Rorschach is a mad man with narrow minded thoughts and romantacize thinking of so called absolute justice. Actions of Adrian prevent the watchmen world from armageddon. Want prove? Look at the doomsday clock comic when the truth have been revealed again. They nuke each other once they knew there are no more alien threats. "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon", yeah you can say that again when due to your selfish ideals you doomed billions of innocents death and possibly centuries in terms of degression in society all just because of your petty sense of justice.
But ozymandias accomplished his goal while roarshach’s journal was dismissed as extremist right wing theories written by some mentally ill individual. You can see that in the tv show
"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading."
What’s that from?
Where is that from? That’s an amazing quote
I think that is a Thomas Jefferson quote.
That's a awesome quote
The best part about this comic is that no one really wins. Everyone sort of half wins and half looses. In the end, it really is a joke.
War, Violence, revenge; all of it accomplishes is the perpetuation of violence. No one leaves a conflict like this unscathed.
@KitchensAreHot i thought it was ozymandiaz's plan? Though, i should note, the plan didn't work. Doomsday clocked showed that the peace didn't take long to fall apart into all out nuclear war
Oh. My. God. STOP SAYINGI IT WAS A JOKE. CRINGEEE
In the end the DC universe was remade again😂
Well, I guess the comedian was right after all
Rorschach's Journal: May 28th, 2016. A gorilla died in Cincinnati. Somebody knows why
Christian Martinez I the comedian and nite owl is right at all everything is one big practical Joke.. and the end no one wins and no loses it's just a big joke..
Dicks out.
Hillary knows why.
Rorschach would have supported Trump.
1 year anniversary; F
I guess the Comedian was right. In the end it was all a joke
Bombaman5632 We started the whole world crying
I don't get it
@darkplaceguy in the end it didn t matter. The murders, the explotions, all that world peace was for nothing. Rorschach managed to uncover the situation and all will reset after this. It s a joke because all this mess was for nothing at the end.
@@privasim5423 it's basically just delaying the inevitable
Diego Kaqui I’ve seen a lot of people theorize that the journal containing the truth being discovered in and of itself is the joke. That because it’s a crack-pot, right-wing media outlet that no one will take it seriously and it will be seen as a conspiracy of sorts by the public, because the convenience of blaming the catastrophe that resulted in world peace on Dr. Manhattan will trump the possibility of uncovering the actual truth. A lot of people seem to think that that was Moore’s intent. But I think the idea that the paper runs with it and as a result of it going public people will catch wind of the truth and the state of the world will reset, negating the massive loss of human life, is a more impactful, fitting ending. Not sure if that’s how Moore intended it, but thematically it seems more in line with the rest of the book and the film adaptation.
And through it all, Rorschach still wins. Amazing.
johnception I'm started to think... even if Rorschach's journal was found, it'll be the world would go after Adrian, instead of dr Manhattan...
I was thinking something like, I dunno maybe... 'Rorschach's journal was found after the long long peace'. Maybe the journal was found when everyone forget why they're even making a war. So that, his journal didn't really triggered a new war, because it happened long time ago. They probably just put it as a missing history that has been discovered. You know... that kind of epilogue
- I'm sorry, English isn't my first language-
I'm agree to that also... but in the end, it has to be revealed... but not at that time... maybe some time later. My country had ever been in this kind of situation (the only difference is the methods and reason). It was kept secret in order to maintain the peace. As the time goes on, people started to show the secret behind the massacre that happened in my country. It left a scar on our heart but we should take it... because it's a part of our job and right to accept the bad and the good part in our history. No sugar coating.
OMG - it's out of topic - I'm sorry again
Erin Lia It'd not off topi, it's a rel world analogy, those are really valuable in arguments.
What country are you from, and what happened.
Well, if you're interested... I'm from Indonesia, it's about G 30 S PKI (Indonesian Communist Party) FYI, Our nation is not communist... it's long story, it happened long time ago, and just say, shit happened... everyone went crazy, they thought the Communist party was the cause of the dead of the important people in Indonesia. So they killed the member of Communist from all direction of Indonesia. But actually, the cause of the death of important people wasn't really their fault, but government decided kept it as a secret. After long time, the truth's finally been discovered (though it's not publicly told). Some people denied it, but I don't. I accept it, after all nation is a human too... every human has dark secret, no?
Now this is one hell of a ending
Conclusive, and still, curious
+zombiesnyder13 In what way is it conclusive? The common enemy is gone and a journal outlining how a mad genius engineered the greatest global disaster is about to be published resulting in the world pretty much instantly reverting to the pre-bomb stage except with added fuel for the enemies of the USA because Ozy-fuckface was one of them. Because I can guarantee you that the anti-American sentiment would not have vanished, just been put aside to face Manhattan.... But he's not there... He gunned and ran????? read the paper... WHAT THE FUCK ADRIAN??? BOOM!!! All he has done is guaranteed the future he feared. Ok I just found the conclusion. The comedian's prediction comes true. The End.
+howizee Nothing ever ends.
Saleem Karim
Never ending is always better than happy endings
+zombiesnyder13 Everything has an end
Rain
Not exactly
Rest in Peace to the actor who played Seymour, Chris Gauthier 1976-2024 🕊️
Rorschach outsmarted Ozymandias and Dr. Manhatten. This alone makes him the most badass character in this movie.
If Seymour could read Rorschach's handwriting 🤣
@@elmizzox LMAO
I mean thinking about it logically I'd imagine the journal of someone regarded as insane who was charged with multiple homicides publicized by a far right newspaper especially in a more progressive world could only gain at most as much traction as a popular conspiracy theory, and that's stretching it
Far right? Lol reaching. They put this scene in for a reason. He won
@@jonathanpilcher337 "Far right", I love you lefties, anything conversative is "far right"
Can you give me a SINGLE conservative opinion or viewpoint that isn't "far right", just normal right?
So given the way things progress throughout this film. The real joke is that their solution for peace was in vain. Millions of people died for nothing and their world is most likely going to get worse because Rorschach didn't want peace to be based on a lie. That is one depressing movie and makes you question all of the characters actions. They're definitely not a Justice League because they seem to just "Watch" and observe as their world falls apart.
I mean it's impossible to control human Nature. Unlike in justice league batman can say something and the world shouts . In the real world you can't control people sorry
But I think, therefore I am. And I want peace. No war. You can kill my family, and I would have no interest in revenge. So I disagree that human nature can't be controlled.
And Goku would agree with me.
***** I probably would but that is torture and not fair.
Vincent Maliga I think it's the fact that humans are weak with the exception of a few in the face of truth, but morally Rorschach is right to defend the truth because as much as he views reality with the black and white view that correlates with say something like religion, I think to a degree he knows that facing the truth and sharing it with others ... the hope isn't in others, but in truth to set things in motion so that someday there could be peace, but if it never comes or will, but in some future, it was up to him and the heroes to keep the balance. When you think about it, this why I understand heroes would rebel working for the government and just work on their own and amongst others who see things similarly. The Watchmen served America and I doubt anyone else. So of course their views and ideas and beliefs would get corrupted and warped when faced with the public who hates them when they think they're doing the right thing, when the truth is the opposite. Gotta give it to Rorschach he was in my opinion the definition of a hero in that universe to not give up his morals and ideals after coming from a childhood that is the exact opposite and needs to be tackled down.
Looks like The Comedian got the last laugh thanks to Rorschach.
Lol Comedian is now resurrected
Comedian was awesome
@@iper7553 The HBO show is just poorly written fanfiction, nobody takes it seriously.
@@theaccordian9377 hbo show was bad ngl
@@kingnothing3683 they ruined the watchmen
Don’t worry Rorschach, you got the last laugh in the end. Adrian just got exposed.
Big Birf What? He really did even with the 7th Kalvary.
I dont see how he exposed adrien he wrote the journal and sent it before he knew what adiran did
@@Crookgotjokes maybe not. Rorscatch also wrote about his investigation about the mask killer and had even wrote the adrian was the culprit after visiting his place. And the link between the mask killer was also that he may have wanted to cause ww3 by getting them out of the way. And lastly wrote about where he was heading if he were to ever return or not. I'm not sure. But I think if people put the pieces together they would find out that adrian was the reason for this sudden attack.
@@Crookgotjokes No he didn't. He didn't know exactly what Adrian did until the detonations had already been done but he did know everything was orchestrated by Adrian. It's not hard to make the connection between that and the Journal entries, especially the last one where he flat out says Adrian was behind everything. Even a 1/4 competent journalist would make the connection and understand what had happened and immediately run the story.
Edit- Rorschach's final entry- czcams.com/video/R2Dl_ow1KtY/video.html
Even if he did exposed Veidt, this isn’t a wholly heroic thing. There is still the risk that him exposing it could end up leading to America and Russia fighting again and lead to another Doomsday scenario. That’s the complexity of Watchmen, whether you side with Veidt, believing it was horrible but justified to focus their target away from eachother, or you believe that Rorschach’s journal would help bring justice to Ozymandias and expose his lies, neither are presented as the right solution. Of course Veidt deserves to be locked away for his actions but at what cost would it have on humanity.
The only comment that gets made on the success of Ozymandia's plan is the exchange between him and Dr Manhattan (in the comic): “Jon, wait, before you leave... I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end”
“Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.”
Richard Strong basically proving Rorschach right.
@@brianj4201Rorschach does not disagree with Veidt 'because it never ends', he hates Veidt because he thinks of him as intrinsically evil.
And by the way, 'Nothing ever ends' because Rorscach drops his journal in the mailbox of the far right newspaper. If Rorscach wasn't so stubborn no one would know what really happened.
He said "nothing ever ends" because everything is just an occurrence in time. whether or not Adrian's plan succeeds, time will move on
@@brianj4201 But in the series Adrian asked him again and Manhattan said yes his dream world is exist but on Europa.
@@alpborakirte801 You had to bring that stupid ass race baiting series into it, didn't you?
The minor one-scene characters are all SO well acted in this movie.
It's the best acting in a Zack Snyder film by far.
And I don't know WHERE Snyder found all these actor since I didn't recognize a single one..... but they're all excellent!
This is the only good Zack Snyder movie I know of. and that's because it's basically a one-to-one recreation. he merely added his visual flare. which is exactly what he's good at.
@@tomatoesofdoom man of steel you baboon
@@tomatoesofdoom There are other good Snyder movies. 300, Snydercut.
@@RonsaRRRkeep slurping his meat 🥩
@@turklander4582 It's your job.
1:12 I leave it entirely in your hands
I love how they snuck in final line from the comic that way.
this movie was so underrated
Bitch please, the movie completely changed the end of the book
Homem Aranha What do you mean? In both versions the world becomes a utopia, Doctor Manhattan kills Rorschach and leaves Earth, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl live a normal life together, and Rorschach's journal ends up in the newspaper. Just because there's no squid doesn't mean it's completely different.
Homem Aranha They changed it for the better. Giant squid ending is fucking retarded compared to the film's ending.
Homem Aranha thanks
Homem Aranha "I don't like to judge people....[wooten cleng should get a] ticket to the electric chair." -Homem Aranha
Chris Gauthier, actor who portrayed Seymour(Smiley Face shirt) Has tragically passed away on February 23, 2024. May he rest in peace.
He was Neville in Need For Speed Carbon too.😢
This is a well written and directed movie. Amazing stuff.
And the film ends fantastically, giving us a joke and a fitting ending for a character as cool as Rorsach.
What a masterpiece
I don't know why but I find this ending soo epic
For me it's the the way the dude at the newspaper company is given freedom to write about anything he wants then as he turns and sees rorschachs journal then rorschachs line followed by the ending music playing
When I watched this in the cinema, so many people walked out after Rorshach's death and didn't see this scene haha
I mean he died in the comic too? They probably stupid af
@@ggthewhale yeah he died in the graphic novel.
@@abramsullivan7764 i wasn't asking bro i already know
Lmao don’t lie no one did that
Sam Gaming That’s what i was thinking. People don’t walk out of a movie before it’s over.
I hate to be that guy who brings up the comic instead of taking the film for what it is, but I really wish they included the mention that Rorschach's penmanship is so bad that, in the comic, the police can't read his journal after he was arrested. It added a but more ambiguity as to whether the journal would be printed, or if the guy would see Rorschach's chicken scratch and ditch it for the next piece on the stack.
take it to pharmacist... they know how to handle those chicken penmanship...
Funny that policemen can't read bad handwriting.
Erin Lia that is so true. Doctors have some of the worst handwriting.
I agree, and in the comic, the journal was thrown into a "later" bin with other junk paperwork, making us guess as to whether or not it was ever published.
I believe, because of the characterization we get from the guy at the end, he could read it. I have shitty handwriting, which makes reading other shitty handwriting easy, however really nice cursive is like fucking chicken scratch to me. All depends on you point of reference.
The first song of the movie is Bob Dillan's The Time They Are a Changin'. The last song is My Chemical Romance's Desolation Row, which is a hard rock cover of Bob Dillan's original song. I think it perfectly represents how the times have changed indeed by the end of the film.
The first song is unforgettable, nat King cole
@@CoronelFloppaKFC Damn you're right
Dylan*
Even if the world destroys itself when/if Ozymandia's plot is discovered...people should know the truth. Let humanity find its own way, and face the consequences, not be manipulated into a false future by a lie. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.
Exactly!!!!
+Heinz Guderian Yes, the truth is more valuable than the continued existence of humanity.
+Heinz Guderian follow the money trail, you'll know exact where humanity is heading, also, buy water stocks now - while its cheap.
+Heinz Guderian Its really hard to tell to accept the lie if you now it or just to tell the truth. Ozy was not completly wrong. He choose one of many options to bring peace to the world. The Problem is that if the plan really works, the question is for how long? No one can tell if the peace really stays this way or not a new heretic rises and human fall back into their own nature of war and grief. I would accept the lie if I would 100% know its working for ever. But if there is really just 1% thats off the charts I would always go with the truth.
+Heinz Guderian No, I'll pick survival over a nuclear holocaust, thanks.
Rorschach lives again.
Thats ending is just so simple and still so fucking huge! The kind of ending you will always remember and think of its last words!
Rorschach's journal: November 12th, 2018: Today Incredibles 2 came out on DVD
Lol why did u comment that
@@jcstrikesagain684 because I wanted to be creative
@@m.c.ufan1019 It’s a classic
"I leave it entirely in your hands" that the boss says, is the actual last line of the comic!
The ending is good, I like how even in the afterlife Rorschach's journal got found and Ozymandias will be caught
Sentenced for life prison for commiting mass murder and disruption of world stability.
I wish Rorshach didn't die.
It is said that to this very day, his fancy hat is still OK.
Never compromise
I wish too actually. But the story is better if he was killed.
anand altantsog that imposter in Doomsday Clock is an asshole
I'm impressed on how fast they rebuilt NYC...
It's even faster in the graphic novel.
They cleaned up Ground Zero in a matter of months. Never underestimate humans but also fear them.
@@PhillipRottingham In the novel it only destroyed buildings right where the monster landed. It's referred to as "Hiroshima with buildings" in the novel.
Realistically it would take 50 to 70 years to rebuild a destroyed
city but this is set in an alternate universe where superheros exist so the technology to help repair cities like that somehow exists
The truth will always prevail, no matter the consequences people must know the truth
Rorschach wanted to tell the world truth and he did through his journals. Guess he's the smartest man than Adrian.
rather paranoid than smart, but yeah ^^
He's not the smartest tho he outsmarted the smartest guy on the planet
Rorschach.
The smartest man on the cinder.
Well it's actually ambiguous if the journal ever blew up, since the writer of it was charged with homicide and it was publicized by a far right newspaper
@@jonathanpilcher337 Why do you keep repeating this under random comment strings?
Rorschach would be proud of that dude in the shirt.
Rorschach had his endgame already planned out, so well that even the smartest man alive didn't see it coming. Rorschach was more than aware of how dangerous Vieght would be, the distinct likelihood was that he was going to die. In fact, it was all but certain to him. This is why he firstly mailed the journal (he'd never be using it again), why he refused warmer clothing (he'd die from something quicker than hypothermia), why he attempted to suckerpunch Vieght, knowing it wouldn't work (suicide play) & why he insisted Dr. Manhatten finish it (last honest hero). I suspect Rorschach knew his crime-fighting days were drawing to a close due to several factors, namely his aging years, a lack of any intelligence network other than his own investigations, a suspected "mask killer" & a rapidly shifting public narrative that made him the bad guy. Possibly the reason he finally apologises to Dan for years of being an uncooperative, sociopathic hard-line douchbag when they were partners. He was getting his affairs in order.
Nailed it
Rorschach truly is a wonderful yet broken man. He seeks peace and justice but one that isn't achieved in vain. Yet the very idea itself is quite impossible to attain.
It’s better to make someone sad with the truth than happy with a lie.
why? And no,following what Rorshach says because he's your incel wet dream is not a valid answer
3 Hours and 30 minutes... Wow...
Good analogy.
It's not that long.
Connor McCartney Ultimate Cut release, it includes Tales of the Black Freighter
More like 3 hours and 35 minutes 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Later: Adrian Veidt watches TV´s:
Veidt: What?!NO!NO!! My World peace!!
Veidt: All my work.....
Manhattan watches from the distance: Not my problem anymore.
@@jadenbryant9283 don't
@@thepeacefulbearbeer what
@@jadenbryant9283 you deleted ur og post so idk tf you said b4
Veidt: Please, if you do this, I will lose everything.
Rorschach: You want forgiveness? Get religion.
One of my favorite endings
This ending is very psychological because it’s as if we’re given the choice. We think about what we would do in this situation
"Ronald Reagan says he's running for president in '88..."
Man, they blew that one. In the original book, we see mention of "RR" running for office, before finding out it's actually Robert Redford. The joke was supposed to be that in the Watchmen universe, the right-wing editor "obviously" wouldn't want a "cowboy actor" in the White House, while in our world he would presumably be on board with the idea, so long as it was the conservative Reagan rather than the liberal Redford. His outrage at Reagan's run makes no sense, unless I missed a scene in the movie where the presence of superheroes somehow turned Reagan into a Democrat.
You're right, I too was upset that this was changed.
So.....you think that tiny insignificant part is worth bitching about? See this is why movies like this get no attention. You watch a masterpiece of a movie and focus on a one second clip about stupid real life bullshit politics. Way to miss the point entirely.
Or maybe the idea of a shiny, winking actor doing the most serious job in the country was silly to him. You are WAAAAAAY overthinking it.
Plus, Reagan would've been 77 at the time.
Reagan was originally a democrat before 1962, it's possible that Nixon getting re-elected over and over made him a democrat again.
Check and mate
This ending gave me goosebumps
0:50 it was Robert Redford in the comics which was clever since Redford played Bob Woodward in all the president's men
Also it would make much more sense that a far right newspaper would be annoyed by a liberal celebrity running for president.
@@dodec8449Snyder's comprehension has always been on surface level unfortunately
I don't care what everyone says, this movie was perfect . From the begining with the sound of silence to the ending where rorshach makes justice, the world might be nuked, but rorshach made true justice no mater the consequences! #Rorshachalwayswins
+The Game Code Not really, think about everything that Rorschach wrote down. The dude was pretty far off on what Ozy's true plan. Assuming that Seymour went through and published the journal, the only thing they can get from it is that he killed some old and possibly that he was the Comedian . Which is bad for Veidt but looking at Eddie, he was an ass and was no shining pinnacle of humanity. On top that, Rorschach is known that he's clinically insane and on top of the Veidt has lots of money so that means very good lawyers.
So for better or for worse, Rorschach doesn't have too much evidence. The only other people that can kill Veidt on his bullshit are dead,on the run or off playing God.
+marvel672 I disagree. If there's anyone who knows about just how smart Adrian really is (and there are) they will find it pretty fucking obvious. And from reading Rorschach's words, people will see he's not a deranged nut that the public makes him out to be. The Journal is the Evidence.
As for lawyers, that's ridiculous! There's no lawyer that would convince the world to let go on the mass murder of millions. There may still be people who can stop him.
The whole point is whether the Journal is used or not. This marks the first time where a man makes a choice over what is best for humanity, not the Watchmen.
+julian seguin the journal is evidence for what? the comedian's killer?
The Ultimate Cut of this movie is easily a Masterpiece, Period.
I'm sorry but it was a dumbass movies peice of shit!!!😐
for me this is an absolute win,
- not only Rorshach death were not in vain, but also the dude in the green shirt will write the truth about ozymandias, and the world go wild but still live in peace since it has been so long that pretty much no one give a damn but still intrigue by the story, great movie, so ahead of it time ( in fact it was so ahead of it time, the ending told you so )
Rorschach is honest and never compromise person, so i belive many people would try prove it, it would be great to become new After Watchmen
Gives me chills every time.
He mirrored Adrian by completing his plan before the final confrontation ever even started.
Tonight a comedian was slapped in LA
And the person who did it was even more arrogant and obtuse then Ozymandias...
RIP Chris Gauthier!
"Peace and love on the planet Earth." lol.
Rorschach's Journal: November 13, 2015. Superman died today,who will save us now?
Snyder's Journal. November 13th, 2017. Wonder Woman was released earlier this year, with Aquaman set to follow.This studio's afraid of me. I've seen its true vision. To them, movies are extended advertisements. created to peddle merchandise with no regard for true DC fans. The theaters are full of audiences worldwide. And when the credits roll and the critics descend. When social media is overflown with with critique from both amateur and professionals. And when more and more petitions are signed worldwide, and all the fans demand it. When WB has no choice, but to deliver the film DC fans deserve. All the WB studio executives will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll whisper "No."
Except Snyder is a trash author that can't write to save his ass and is only good when he sticks to the source material because of his technical skills.
The guy made Superman watch quietly while his dad dies to save a dog to save his secret identity that he gives two fucks about in every single scene before and after his death.
And wrote a ridiculous pseudo metaphorical BS movie about a girl wrongfully convicted in a mental institution and abused that becomes Neo in her head to save other girls.
And don't even get me started on BvS and the Martha memes, Batman becoming a killer out of nowhere and having a bogus Lex Luthor inspired by a subpar graphic novel spinoff that fits the story like a pair of shoes to a fish.
Rorschach's Journal: November 17th, 2019. A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China died of a new virus. And the Chinese government knows why
The genius of this ending is how it's both a moment where you find solace knowing Rorschach beat Adrian after all and exposed the truth, but it also makes you think "oh f*ck, is everything about to go back to shit or worse when the news gets out?" One of the best endings to a film this century (yeah I said it) and possibly the best ending to a superhero film ever.
It did went to shyt again. Follows up in DC doomsday clock comic.
@@FearoqDC Doomsday Clock is not canon. Alan Moore had zero involvement with it just like with Watchmen (2019) TV-show.
I remember watching this for the first time, and legit got hyped when this showed.
And thus the seventh kavalry was born
Omar Pacho And they all died too.
The stupidest thing to come of this movie was the miniseries a decade later
@@callahanhanson5890 being triggered by fictional series
Omar Pacho only because it’s poorly made and the original story is so great
@@callahanhanson5890 well that's your opinion hth 👍
The way this movie ends, segueing into the song as it cuts to black. Easily my second favorite comicbook film.
I didn't know Simpson's comic book guy was in this movie. well it was his dream to be in a superhero movie.
This is what happens when you underestimate the crazy ones. If Adrian had just taken Rorschach a bit more seriously, his plans wouldn't have all been for nothing. In a way, Rorschach proved HE was the smartest man on the planet.
Hands down for the best movie of 2009
1:25 The Joker background reference.
One of the best movies I have seen
How Rorschach out smarted the self proclaimed smartest man alive.
"Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon"
This is still America damn it! Who wants a reality tv show host in a White House?!
GrounghogdoG
Idk, who wants another corrupt bureaucrat in the white house?
I’d love to see Ozymandias face when he finds out the truth of his plan was found out.
It happened in Doomsday Clock
Love the background theme that is playing
Best ending ever
Rorschach WINS.
FATALITY.
For a decent film, I find that ending dialoge the best one ever heard as a finisher. The only thing they succeded with in that film was Rorschach and the music.
And Manhattan. He was captured very, VERY well.
Ross the Boss Rorschach's Journal: November 2nd, 2016.
It was the 31st Anniversary remembering the death of Walter Kovacs a.k.a. Rorschach. May god rest his soul. Rest In Peace, Rorschach. It's been an honor working for you, Walter Kovacs. Your sacrifice will not be in vain.
decent? this film was a classic!
Wtf, the Comedian was fucking amazing
And this was the start of doomsday clock
and the HBO series in a separate timeline.
This movie was too ahead of its time
The smartest man in the world and a freak of nature superman were defeated in the end because a guy kept a journal 😂
Sometimes the truth finds its of showing itself.
absolutely in my top 5 best superheroe movies of all times, (in no particular order), watchmen, batman trilogy, spiderman trilogy, blade, logan
Rorschach sounds a lot like Batman
This was de perfect ending, This is the end of Watchmen, no shit that HBO puts out is or never will be cannon.
Even an adaptation that's only 1/5th as good as the original Watchmen is better than a lot of other movies.
As it is, most of the changes they made were things that simply made it better-suited to cinema than the straight comic, hence why it can feel unfaithful but still entertaining. That's not to say the straight comic COULDN'T work as a movie (case in point: the motion comic), but the film took a work that was firmly comic in structure, and altered it so it could still work as a movie.
And a diary is all it took for the world to end.
You think it's the living who will have ultimate judgment over you because the dead will have no claim over your soul. But you may be mistaken Ozzy.
Rorschach's Journal:
8th November 2016, a comedian is the new president of USA.
Rorschach is the real hero here. The final scene, with the sky of NY, half clouded, half cleared, represents the equilibrium which humanity should struggle to maintain between good and evil.
1:19 A new beginning: Adrian vietd (Ozzymandias) being exposed for everything what he has done.
Give cancer to Jon’s friends and ex girlfriend,
Framing dr Manhattan, framing Rorschach for killing molich and
Killing comedian. (Lauries father)
Perfect how Rorschach got the last laugh before he ordered dr Manhattan to kill him.
The comic made you guess a little more as to whether or not the journal got published.
can't believe zack snyder the guy who made this masterpiece of a movie, also made justice league and is being re release as director's cut
He didn’t made justice league. The movie was 90% from Wedon
Nerd Empire true but it was built on zack snyder’s horrible man of steel and batman v superman
0:55 my thoughts on Lindsey Graham running for president
And Rorschach literally gets the last word.
One of the best damn shows I've ever seen.
whats the name of the song at the beginning of this clip?
This dialogue is so wink-wink nudge-nudge it's almost sad...
Damn I love this ending. The song and all
And thats how the 7th kavalry is born
Tick Tock
jack black should have played that role
***** in a good way
Screw that racist prick, just a white guy trying to appropriate blackness in his name.
Denver Britto what?
Denver Britto Nigga wut?
@@denverbritto5606 the fuck?
Most powerful scene ever
I know I've seen this movie a hundred times, but everytime this scene comes to an end and Rorschach's narration begins, I always think the intro to 'Walk of Life's by Dire Straights is playing.
Wouldn't that just be one Hell of a credits song for this? 😅