My Dog Bit Someone At Work Today and I Don’t Know Why
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- čas přidán 5. 03. 2023
- In this video, Ed Frawley shares a question from the Ask Cindy database. Today's question focuses on managing a dog in an uncontrollable environment.
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My GSD is very suspicious of all strangers. It’s just the way he is. I would not put my dog in a situation where he can access other people or dogs. Crate is the best advice. Be safe, not sorry.
My biggest problem with bite work, now days, and really always, is how much of it is done very poorly .
A good trainer, and a good club, is much harder to find than it should be !
Not the dog's fault, it's the owner's fault.
Ed I have been following you and using your videos for almost 18 year! Great stuff. I am glad to see you answering questions on CZcams. I am also a former member of the 82nd Airborne and know what you have done to help my brothers living in poor conditions. Thank you for all you do and have done sir! From the heart
"My dog doesn't bite people," every person in America. At least Leerburg gives great advice and checks the idiot owner. Muzzle and crate the dog. But the dog having known aggression not being an issue is wild to me (prolly wouldn't hold up in court, "i brought my known aggressive dog to a public place and was surprised it bit someone"). One dog bite can change a persons life forever, please realize that if you're a dog owner.
That will be the last day that Doug goes to work with her. She'll be lucky if she's not sued. Or even fired.
Truth! My 12 year old Dutch Shepherd has incredible discretion, he's retired, but still a force! He's so social and kind, but can be on point when necessary. These dogs are not for the average pet owners
A few days ago I also asked something on the ask Cindy portal the first time. The answer comes in no time, and is not only helpful, but also super nice. Thanks a lot for this service. I come from Europe, and this high quality, free content is the reason why I prefer Leerburg over all channels in my native language.
These email questions are very insightful and helpful. So glad you're doing this.
4:20 My Rottweiler was protection trained, yet she was happy to receive strangers in my house when it was listed for sale, as a puppy she was raised in a home where I had many roommates and their friends coming and going. Her breeder bred for temperament first and protection last, as these dogs were deterrents by virtue of being a Rottweilers. She wasn't interested in bite work for French Ring, instead she was trained to respond to/recognize a potential assailant's aggressive behavior and body language, I still watched who was around her and her reaction to them.
Case in point, there was a gentleman at my grandmother's nursing home who wanted to interact in a friendly way but approached her hunched over, arm extended as if he was trying to trap/catch her and she would growl at him, I curtailed that interaction immediately.
Even though I had total confidence in her training, I always advocated for my dog's safety first by not allowing her to be placed in a situation where she could be set up to potentially fail. That way everyone was safe.
Thank god protection training is illegal in my country. Every day joe cant handle dogs like that.
@@vikingdogmanship in which country?
Sometimes an aggressive dog may be fixed if it's trained in bite work. It will not became gentle but it will understand when it has to attack. It will release that need in training. Also the owner will learn the body language and he will learn who to control his dog.
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No. Unbalanced dogs=no bite work. Temperament testing first to determine. Nobody is that good of a trainer to harness basic fear into trustworthiness.
@@mbh4960 I don't mean aggression because of fear.
@cheryl Millard if a Rottweiler can't bite and protect has no good temperament
"Don't know why my dog bit someone." Probably because your dog is an animal forced into a human world it does not understand. We must teach our dogs that the world is not a threat instead of expecting them to never use their natural defense. Dogs don't know good and bad, only safe and dangerous.
So so many people, even trainers have a misunderstanding of the pack hierarchy relating to owner and dog. And I don't mean dominate, rather the dog needs to know that you know best 'how to survive' and he she trusts you for that
You said exactly what I was thinking about why, and it being the other dog growling. It alerted and the Shepard stepped in to finish the protection
Never underestimate group dynamic. When you think the two dogs get along with each other therefore the problem is solved, the real problems may just have started.
Great advice ed. Got the name right this time.
I have a full breed golden retriever. I'm pretty confident it won't bite you.
Ok…
so what are you getting at with your comment?
Me too. I've three of 'em. None of them will bite...
I suspect that she worked on protection with the wrong decoy/trainer. My friend had a similar issue. They pushed her dog to bite through aggression and pressure, using defense drive instead of building her up slowly. I knew her dog since she was a puppy and she used to be sweet and playful, but after this kind of poor training, her dog changed and became quite aggressive towards others. So I guess it can happen. In any case, it's always good to keep your dog crated or under control in public.
The defence work was probably introduced too early in the dogs life or too much too soon. It wasn't balanced out
Don’t bring your dog to work!!!
My gsd protect me and my home what a dog.
Yes, great for home not worth the risk at work.
Dear Ed, you left me hanging in suspense! Why don’t most dogs trained in bite sport attack a robber who enters the house? Why aren’t they ideal for K9 police work? Isn’t that the point of what they are trained to do? When you said the other dog jumped and barked, uh oh, I saw that one coming. It’s so easy for us to fall into complacency with a dog we believe is safe and well trained but a dog is a dog and fight or flight kicks in with the right stimulus. I am super cautious about my nearly 2 yr old GSD in public because she’s a rescue, I keep her on a prong, don’t let strangers pet her and I keep her behind me in any iffy situation. I have been planning on getting and training her with a muzzle since that’s part of French Ring and though it’s unlikely we will ever find a trainer and do bite work I love the obedience style of the ring sport and that’s what we practice. I’m so glad you’re doing these videos, I enjoy them and always learn from other people’s experiences.
Igp and more sports have a scenario. He knows where you will turn where you will sit. He runs around five tents and bites at sixth. He does not search, he is just running, if you sit in third tent the dog will pass you. He has to bite in a very specific way. If you want a really protection dog you have to train him in another way.
The reason dog sports exist is because we like it. And also check if the dog has the ability to bite, work with his owner ect. This characteristics will pass to his puppies. We iust check the ability.
@@user-yt4qg4df5h That is not the reason biting sports exist. In Europe that took away the guns after WW2 - plus the biting sports produce the bloodlines for police K9s and Military working dogs.
@@efrawley55 I think that we say the same thing. When a dog has the ability to pass igp test means has the ability to work for police or military, but it will need some other kind of training for that.
In our days in Europe police and military have inside breeding programs and do not participate in sports, I do not know what happens in USA
@@user-yt4qg4df5h No a IGP test 100% does not come close to qualifying a dog for police or military work. That is the same in Europe. The police / military over there have their own breeding because they cannot find qualified selection tested dogs with IGP titles to do police service work. So they breed their own. IGP is a dog sport - it is not a selection test. They have removed the stick hits from IGP - they have made test easier and easier for dogs to pass. In America the American Kennel Club AKC has destroyed the working ability of most breeds - certainly German Shepherds. There is not ONE KENNEL or ONE AMERICAN bloodline dog that can pass a legitamate police service dog slection test. The AKC has one interest - making money - just like the German SV. It is. a shame. But there are breeders and some organizations SV2000 that promote working bloodlines and dont follow the foolish rule changed for the IGP ver there and really here too.
Been bit twice in my life…both shepherds…no warning…sneaky back attack
I think that the woman didn't train for ipo but for protection work in true scenarios and I also believe that the dog had not good obedience.
For her to have a dog that's aggressive towards other animals, she sure didn't mind having it next to a sickly smaller dog 🤦♀️
Yes the sickly dog does have something to do with the behavior. When dogs feel sick they are often more self protective. This did trigger the dog to jump up, and act, because he has a short trigger.
Some dogs as mentioned have to be pushed into bite work, most SCH dogs are like that. Some dogs have the want to fight, and need more control, and especially to be made clear when to turn off. Even police with dogs that don't turn off end up having big problems- sometimes having to shoot their partner dog to get it to stop mauling someone.
Pet people do not need those high drive, hard dogs. I really wish the working line breeders would stop shaming pet breeders. You won't see these types of dogs coming out of pet lines.
No dog should be allowed in the workplace. It's selfish to force your pet on other people.
Damn right. I hate it when people do that. Your dog, is a dog. Dogs aren't people. Keep your dog away from me. I don't go to work to be around your dog. Same thing with people who bring dogs to the grocery store.
Then don't approach other peoples property???
Dogs are an excellent judge of character, best to avoid those people the dog dislikes
Anyone that claims dogs have intuition to discern friend and for is dangerously ignorant.
@@jfkst1 you sir, who makes an illiterate statement cannot discern reality from tongue-in-cheek….
@@RoscoPColetrane I can't believe I found this comment in leerburg video.
I thought that people who have no idea about their hairy baby think in this way
@@user-yt4qg4df5h 🤦🏻♂️
Usually the dog picks up know YOUR dislike and discomfort.
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I’m sorry but when you’re training your dog for “protection” you are training them to effectively use violence as a tool. Yes they should obey commands but misunderstandings can happen.
I have a German shepherd and whilst I have done a lot of obedience training with her I have done zero “protection” training. She’s an absolute big softy.
Just cause you have a German Shepherd it doesn’t mean they need to be trained like that and if you do then you need to be very aware of that at all times.
I basically agree. This is exactly why I do not recommend personal protection dog training. Expecting a dog to make the decision on who and when to bite is crazy. Its a law suite waiting to happen. Took me a few years to come to that conclusion - back in the 198's.
GSDs are not meant to be softies, also OB is part of protection
@@plsstop7242 they’re shepherd dogs. It’s literally in their name. If you want a “personal protection” dog then get a Doberman as that’s what they’re specifically bred for. German Shepherds are absolutely softies and if used for their intended purposes it’s be in the hills guarding sheep from wolves and not to be used against people.
@@leewolf6434 GSDs are much better at protection than Dobermans though. Also a lot of Shepherds have lost their tending ability, a lot of herding trainers do not allow GSDs in their courses.
@@leewolf6434 Also what you're describing is a LGD. GSDs were bred for tending. While they can protect livestock, that wasn't their main purpose. Even then, GSDs are known for being quite harsh to the livestock they're working with, while LGDs bond closely.